FA-18C Hornet: BVR Offensive Missile Cranking Tutorial | DCS WORLD

[@scarletlightning565]

Just a quick note on the AIM-7, specifically the AIM-7MP: Most people seem to be very quick to dismiss them out of hand, but they are a very useful tool if used correctly. The -7MP has a longer sustainer burn time than the -120 and much larger aero-surfaces. This allows it to fair much better against a manoeuvring target from just within visual range to ACM range. It doesn't have the absolute range of a -120, but in close, it is a much better choice. As such I personally carry one on each belly station whenever I'm expecting to go into ACM. The idea that the AMRAAM is simply a *better* weapon is a fallacy.

[@DriveFast_FlyHigh]

It's not just about the kinematic performance of the missile, it's about being able to avoid the one that is coming back at you. The AMRAAM allows you to increase Pk and survivability by getting closer before shooting since you can go defensive immediately after firing while with the AIM-7 or R27 you have to support the missile until impact.

[@owouwu9032]

But but much maneuvering *proceeds to shoot an amraam at that range and then turn cold and run away without needing to support a SARH missile*

[@a_stone]

@@owouwu9032 I wonder, with drones and stuff, if we'll see a return of SARH missiles or a mix or SARH and ARH with one aircraft getting close and firing the missile but someone else painting the target, like a drone that's tied with the aircraft firing the missile but in a completely different position.

[@theexiledone2898]

Great video, I just tried it and it worked, I’m pretty surprised. Thanks. It’s a shame not many people watch it. So now they won’t know what I’m doing in pvp :D

[@aleksandarnikolic4707]

Well done, I have learned a lot from your tutorials!

[@colinsweetman6745]

This is great Cap. Studying and learning prior to check flight syllabus.

[@crashmaster26]

You are just the best !!! This has been a subject I SORELY need info on.

[@davidh7280]

As someone else said, against s J17 with Chinese Amrams it's not a pretty result at same altitudes! Those Chinese firecrackers have extra range!

[@jasonaquino8232]

Never forget in the Terminator movies the USAF built SkyNet. Go USAF!

[@jasonaquino8232]

This video is most impressive. Very cool.

[@jasonaquino8232]

Glenn L. Martin Company makes them. The Titan Family of ICBM. Nuclear weapons, exclusive for the USAF. Best of the best.

[@Warlock7seveN]

No escape from Jimmy Krankie

[@jasonaquino8232]

The greatest thing in life is the Jet Fighter. Anyting else is stupid. War fuels technology. A fighter jet is 200 years beyond anyting we know. It is superior power. The ultimate form of technology and unstaoppable power.

[@jasonaquino8232]

The jet fighter is the best thing man has ever done, with computers. But ICBMS and their silos are so sexy.

[@andreartymiuk]

Obvious but worth pointing out, the radar scan here is set to 140 degrees, which give the 70 degree maximum offset whilst retaining lock. So the crank angle is dependent upon the capability of the radar? Once locked does the F18 track up to 70 degrees IRRESPECTIVE of the scan width setting of the radar at lock? (e.g. I if lock with a scan with 0f 20 degrees for minimising the scan time /most accurate tracking can I still crank to 70 degrees once locked?)

[@scarletlightning565]

Yes. The B-Scope azimuth scan angle only sets the FOV of search mode. Once a lock is made you have full use of the max FOV. Other planes have different scan angles and other variables e.g. the Flankers can slew their entire radar to the left or right to point the centre of the search FOV some 30 to 45 degrees off aircraft centerline. That would allow them a much higher crank angle.

[@aboriani]

Talk about timing, pausing the sim one bajillionth of a second before impact

[@jeepyb]

What about shooting straight on from farther away (give the bandit something to deal with), then crank supporting the missile until PITBULL, then reasses if you want to recommit and shoot another one or bug in the opposite decision, ask for picture to see how your missiles did and again, reasses if you want to recommit and leave. If you want to be really aggressive and banzai the guy to get real close with high pk, why not go for a full on notch instead?

[@grimreapers]

roger but all I really wanted to show here was the initial crank and shot. I will cover high distance missile shots in a posturing video later.

[@scarletlightning565]

All perfectly acceptable tactics there. Notching is a defensive move different from cranking though. Notching is putting a hostile radar perfectly perpendicular to your own heading to defeat the pulse doppler scan. It is a high risk, high reward move as when done properly, it gives the same result as turning cold but keeps you in a more favourable position. However, if you mess it up, you will still be in danger. That's why the safest option is always to turn fully cold and perhaps add more defence by dropping altitude and making semi-lazy S-turns to bleed energy from any missiles coming your way.

[@Dave_ess]

I think ED ha changed the Ai behavior. They seem to now close distance and not fire until much closer in range.. Love to see A GR crank for 2.9 to see if it is still viable

[@jasonaquino8232]

I know I sound extreme. I just love war and military weapons. Im not really the family type. I think about war machines and Jet fighters all day.

[@jasonaquino8232]

Thats another eason why fighter pilots are the best of the best - TOP ELITE in the world. They are resonsible for over hundreds of millions of dollars in regards to their weapons platfrom. The Fighter Jet.

[@Hellskelett]

Yep and they shoot millions of dollars worth of weaponry on some enemies in old toyotas and tents.... (no criticism intended, just a sarcastic funfact)

[@mikmak3mk748]

How to dominate in BVR: Step 1, fly anything but the hornet. Step 2, have fun.

[@Mcfly868]

what if he ripples 27ERs at you at a intervals of 5 seconds. Then R77s and ETs once u turn head on if J11?

[@grimreapers]

Then you die. Usually. That is the only weak point.

[@Goreuncle]

@@grimreapers There are other weak points, this isn't the only one. For instance, this will only work against AI or newbies who don't know how to defend/anticipate TWS shots. Any experienced player will fox 3 (or fox 2 if it's a flanker) and turn, won't keep foolishly flying towards you. Hornet lacks top speed and acceleration, it can't catch running fulcrums/flankers/eagles/tomcats/vipers/mirages... and can barely catch jf-17s Also, amraams don't have enough energy to reach cold bandits beyond 3-6 miles (depending on altitude and speed), many people know these things, they won't fall for it. Besides, if they're flying tomcat or jf-17, you'll likely get hit soon after launching your amraam (if not sooner), getting that close when facing such opposition is a bad idea.

[@jiajianhou426]

the altimeter in the f18 doesnt work or the game is bugged: in mission editor i set a 29.92 inHg and in hornet 29.92, but in map view the plane is shown at a different altitude then the alt shown in the cockpit. anyone got any ideas?

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I have problems with it also.

[@olivertv6175]

Thx!

[@illmaticTKD]

Hoooomann

[@Specter0420]

I'm not a big fan of you sharing my bag of tricks. I had to learn this stuff the hard way without KZbin haha.

[@mikkellegaardjensen6165]

yeah, so how do i defeat sd-10's. i can trade with the jf-17 9/10 times but never defeat one. its just too fast

[@Goreuncle]

You can climb to 40+k (assuming that the jf-17 isn't doing the same) and launch your amraam in TWS when you're within 20 nm, then turn around and dive at full speed, while chaffing. Safest defense against the sd-10 is to run away, but it must be done before getting within 15nm of the jf-17.

[@jasonaquino8232]

Charles Q Brown Jr. 5 Star USAF General is the most powerful man on Earth. Not the Admiral of the Navy.

[@jasonaquino8232]

The B2 Stealth Bomber needs to go operational. And take care of business. With F-22 Raptor support. Couple of F-16 Vipers.

[@Scoobydcs]

Never heard of it

[@firmanpandi9666]

I think, this tactics will work for other FOX 3 fighter like J-11A, or it won't? For the F-15, I've watched them, when you BVR fight againist Fortinero ; )

[@grimreapers]

yes it will

[@Z4ng3tsu67]

Good tactic but I find a lot of online human players who see when you are going hot on them after the crank and fire a second missile. And I would be very interested to see a fight with equal weapons (here we have a Fox1vsFox3 fight and if the Flanker had Fox3 and fire a second just before Cap goes hot, not sure he could have escaped it). But this technique works great against AI.

[@jasonaquino8232]

Sidewinder 9X cost about $600,000 thousand.

[@Macbille]

600 thousand or 600,000,000?

[@erensen8815]

@@Macbille 600k

[@jasonaquino8232]

A Titan III ICBM costs $350 million.

[@crazycontraptions1249]

Not much to kickstart the end the world is it?

[@SparksBG]

What about SAM's

[@grimreapers]

Offensive Missile Cranking against a SAM? Never tried it, but should work?

[@SparksBG]

@@grimreapers I always go in a dive when a SAM launches and im doing high-G turns to evade it.

[@zaphodt3405]

Is this applicable to mother in laws? you know cranking ? :D

[@grimreapers]

sure is

[@zaphodt3405]

@@grimreapers that is so evil to agree :D

[@Scoobydcs]

does the f14 have an rne marker?

[@grimreapers]

not sure yet

[@ryanafshar6446]

can this work in an 8v8?

[@jasonaquino8232]

Wait, a Sparrow AMRAAM-120 C cost about $1.7 million dollars made by Raytheon. Your telling me you fire one of these off just to distract a target. No real FIghter pilot would do that. Ding-Dong..Admirlas Door Bell. That cannot be a real strategy. I mean seriously, just shoot $1.7 million dollars at nothing? No way.

[@eq1373]

$1.7 million is pocket lint to the .gov

[@RhodokTribesman]

In a scenario where these jets have to be used against each other (nightmare), then pilots will do anything to stay alive

[@hba8103]

Thought this was called an F pole?

[@grimreapers]

sort of, the F pole includes the split, which I'll cover in more detail in a later vid.

[@GG-ck3kg]

The F-Pole is the distance between the shooter aircraft and the target aircraft at the time of missile impact. The F-Pole is NOTHING else. It doesn't include cranks, splits, or anything else. It is not a maneuver, it is a measurement. You crank or otherwise maneuver in order to increase the opponent's F-Pole, I.e. their missile flies a longer path. The idea of cranking presented here is gamey I guess. You shoot, THEN crank to gimbals in order to give your missile support and increase opponent's F-Pole. But here we're doing this in order to drive into an opponent's WEZ, shoot and escape. Not terribly tactical but whatever works.

[@DriveFast_FlyHigh]

@@GG-ck3kg Good point. This is really just gaming the AI and/or a weak opponent by getting them to waste missiles before they have a realistic chance of killing you. A smart opponent is not going to shoot from 17+ miles when you are cranked 60-70 degrees.

[@jasonaquino8232]

If I was on a date with a girl, I would jus talk about jjet fighters, attack helicopters, A/A, A/G modes..missiles and bombs. FCS targeting computers, nuclear war....she would just leave..HAHAHAH...I love war.

[@Hellskelett]

Just date a jet then... girls have neither gatlings nor afterburners...

[@jarisipilainen3875]

4:27 who desingded missle logic. why follow where hostail flying when can predict where it go and go another direction facing it LOL thats what japanise doing. if you krank hostile krank too. what then?. its more important look what hostile doing and not just CRANK lol if he crank other way you end up tail. if he crank same way you will head to head again,but CLOOSER lol. if you want kill crank not ring any bell for me. it depends what hostile doing. usuall hostille is good guy and you are bad guy. why need war and guns?

[@muttleyjones2]

Oh good glod all mitey!! If u no clank anne he krank then where you? Yu ded iz wat i say, goodness krikey me my man. Krank ring my bell all ritety, no horsetail kan beet a good krank.

[@jarisipilainen3875]

@@muttleyjones2 actually if he crank and you not until you closer you fly his tail. he is dead