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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@syedusamamanzoor1838]

Hey GS, please zoom in more on text in the tack view (parameters likes g, speed turn rate, mach num). It's pretty much illegible on mobile screen.

[@saucejohnson9862]

The 7’s seem to perform better than the 120s for the hornet.

[@matthewtrapani9755]

My GF bought me something from here. Ill know on Christmas...

[@ip4pwn1]

Rule No 1 in a dogfight. Never fight someone with a better paint job on their jet.

[@Thunderkorn]

Definitely right

[@40oztime]

“Im safe, splash 1 bandit” GS

[@tonyrun5802]

nothing beats the Nagase paint job on the F-2A from Ace Combat Assault Horizon

[@casso_4974]

Word

[@gamingsasquatch3357]

Lesson learned from the Flying Tigers.

[@nathangehman7018]

Although BVR definitely isn't nearly as exciting as BFM/dogfighting IMHO, I think its a lot more important. As someone relatively new to DCS world, I really appreciate you making these videos going over the tactics of a BVR. Its a massive help!

[@ImperiumLibertas]

Personally I disagree. Having a missle flying at your face and having to fly directly towards it to get a good solution is scary and exciting af

[@nighpaw4651]

@@ImperiumLibertas very true, I watched his f-15 vs f-16 bvr video recently and it was so fun to watch

[@imtiazsohan4633]

2v2 or 4v4 BVR fight would be awesome.

[@Robert53area]

I think he has a 4vs4 the f15 vs the Chinese j10 I think.

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@Robert53area yes, 2 Japanese F-15 vs 4 Chinese J-10

[@RT42069]

He also did 2 Raptors vs 2 Flanker D's

[@mr_cleaner_upper8645]

That CF-188 sesquicentennial livery is beautiful!

[@Robert53area]

Agreed, it is amazing, looks like the russian knights

[@lancer1686]

Ok listen boys I saw the real cf18 with that livery it was amazing and I need to know were I can get it for my hornet in dcs

[@JK-bg9er]

@@lancer1686 Its stock

[@dioad1739]

GS your tach view was very important especially in these BVR fights thanks.

[@MrFarnanonical]

0:33 "off the nose aboot" Definitely Canadian.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Lol damn it I hate when I say aboot

[@randallsanchez3161]

The weird part is that the AIM-120 like other big missiles uses a proximity fuze. It doesn't have to physically it the target and the explosive cone will shred the target rather than relying on an impact. Despite it being a few feet behind the enemy aircraft it should have detonated.

[@Paloch1708]

3:27 GS : "I can see him visually" Me : I can't even see where he is....

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

Same. I haven't a clue what's going on but I'm enthralled nonetheless.

[@spicysnowman8886]

He has a huge monitor and better resolution than we see in the video

[@Mike_Romeo]

Thank you for BVR again

[@Elicver]

Hi Mike, do you mind telling me what is BVR? Am new to DCS and am still catching up the terms used here..😀 thanks

[@Mike_Romeo]

@@Elicver Sure no problem my friend. BVR stands for "beyond visual range" and describes the long range air to air combat beyond 15 nautical miles

[@Elicver]

@@Mike_Romeo thank you for taking time to reply. That’s cool..👍😊

[@tmo_117]

I guess I never really thought about just keeping them in gimbal limit on the deck to reduce the turn time, of course I never really have done many bvr engagements

[@TexasGreed]

I usually base my cranking amount by looking at my radar and positioning the target on the very edge of the radar cone. That way you know exactly how much your limit is and drag the incoming missile the most you can.

[@lin837pr2]

I discovered your channel about 6 months ago. Been watching almost every jet fighter video. Love the content and keep it up!

[@ironkrieg3368]

These training and explanation engagements are great. Going through past videos and saving the ones that really explain things. :)

[@tonymatthews4853]

Thanks for the BVR vid. I would like it if you explained more where you are reading the sensor information from the displays in the fight. ie - where is it showing the range to target. The target high. Etc

[@justinthomas85]

It's like you guys have read my mind. I have spent the past few days researching this, but you guys do a great job at this. BVR is something i have been trying to work on recently. Much appreciated!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you found it useful man.

[@justinthomas85]

@@GrowlingSidewinder i find it useful* lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@justinthomas85 lol I'm going to blame that on auto correct. edited it tho lol sorry about that .

[@nathanbrooks9341]

Damn, the hornet looks incredible in red!

[@justinpetty31]

Thanks for making this. It is very detailed and informative!

[@adamgarrison4737]

Great video! Love to see the BVR lessons. Keep them coming, please.

[@Metaphix]

Loving the absolute barrage of content lately i really like the IL2 stuff

[@Matterian]

Great BVR video GS!!! SO when they delay TopGun II This next summer can we expect a DCS TopGun Movie produced by you and Longshot???

[@smash79]

Hope we will see more BVR and dynamics fight later on this channel, love your vids bud !

[@kite2036]

I've watched all your BVR videos, know all the terms and tactics. I still watch these 'beginner' videos, though.

[@jamesj.7750]

I'm glad BVR fights are back. Dogfights are exciting but the long range duels are tense.

[@davisulo96]

I feel like those last 2 amraams that he launched at you should of track even if it can't hit you. Hope they fix it.

[@wardreams9405]

Thanks for sharing with us your experience...

[@slopland10]

LOL, GS is so badass he is in a BVR fight and still has his nav lights on :)

[@Afty86]

I love that Canadian F18 Demo Skin! Great breakdown.

[@arcadianwheat7499]

OMG I was watching a video of two Tom cats shooting down some mig-23 and I found where you got your intro from, I came straight here to share my incredible findings. 🙃

[@charrley8664]

Just won my first BVR fight with this video, thanks bro

[@davidshaffer511]

Brilliant content. Subscribed.

[@sheila9358]

GreaT video.. wud like more on notching missles.. when to turn when you are safe from it.. etc..

[@joshmurray6559]

Another tip would be to reduce your throttle when cranking and then increase when skating, my time in the Tomcat has taught me merging is never really a good idea, reduce throttle, reduce closure, stick to your BVR timeline of sanitize -> meld -> engage -> crank -> skate -> recommit and repeat and youll avoid a merge very well.

[@joshmurray6559]

Another note would be to not crank in one direction, if he launches again while you crank, that missile is gonna cut you off and kill you easy, crank left and right before skating

[@RayzeR_RayE]

🔥 Hornet of the North!

[@sol2wit781]

Hornet vs Hornet: It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot

[@davidhermosilla6942]

Awesome video, I learned a lot, thanks for it. If I may have a question, it is regarding decisions, In the cockpit you do not have much of an idea of where are missiles coming from, just the RWR siren and its display. Unlike the Tacview analysis where it is quite clear that those missiles are not gonna hit you for all the reasons you have explained so well, so Is this result of experience or you actually can guess where are they coming from? Cheers! Thanks

[@bobbyrutz9402]

Just wanna say I love the hornet livery on the thumbnail!

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

As a new player, like the one who gets hit in the face trying to do this.. I try and use your awesome information to avoid said situations, so thank you. Unfortunetly, I get TWS locked, and can't pick him up outisde of 40km where he already has an 120 in the air, I figure this out just based off distance, and half way into my turn im getting blasted, also I'm not getting IFF info as it comes back as unknown l lot of the time, and it doesn't help at all that they are using ECM so it's really hard to keep trying to lock them, keeping them at gimble limits, figuring out how close the missle is and when it was fired as even pitbul warning goes off later than I know what to do with it, if I do I'm usually too far away for a fox 2 and stuggling between keeping him locked if I even get a chance to lock him, and do missle calculations based off of what I've already learned, Hope this becomes second nature. I, as welll as a lot of newer players still really have issues with how far the radar can actually spot contacts painted by awacs, much less lock them up past 60km.. that and i've seen you guys at 40/50km going over 300knts.. the highest I could get in the hornet was 40 and the f16 43 was it's ceiling. before losing all it's speed and manuverability, making it pretty much useless in any type of real engagement.

[@f-104starfighter4]

Using half the Canadian AMRAAM inventory in this video.

[@turtnet3378]

Nice colours!

[@user-qp2bc1sw1w]

Best tactical wiew I ever seen

[@xxbonxx]

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS you should do one where you can only use fly by wire mode

[@jungletroll3844]

Could you do a video on BVR in the Tomcat? I think alot of people would find that useful

[@oldmanfunky4909]

This needs to be two on two or four on four. That would be exciting.

[@Elicver]

Hi GS, am new to DCS and its obvious am still catching up knowing the terms used here and apreciate all of the youtubers for sharing your experties, this motivates and help me a lot to emerse this kind of gaming. Do you mind telling me how do you do the tactical view? Is there separate software for this or is it within the DCS system? Thanks

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

HI there, glad to hear you're finding the videos useful, tacview is a 3rd party application that plugs into DCS (and other flight sims) you can find it here: www.tacview.net/product/about/en/

[@Elicver]

@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you so much for your quick reply. Yes I do find your videos helpful and I enjoy watching them. I really want to learn and feel the hype of flying those planes. I only have FA-18 C Hornet for now and being a novice I still have a lot of things to learn. Am already your subscriber and your videos gets me excited to play DCS. Do you have tutorial videos for the Hornet? Please send me the links and I will really appreciate it. Am your avid fan and am hoping to join you someday on a mission.🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊

[@orionmec]

Very informative! Thanks.

[@Muck6969_]

Only addition I have: Slow down in the crank. No need to go 1.05M or 700kts. You want to preserve range by the crank angle and also the speed. Also, a speed this high is not a tactical airspeed.

[@marctremblay3071]

this livery is awesome

[@Robert53area]

Can we see some bvr action with you in a Sukhoi vs the f35?

[@mr.ez_breazy4993]

i love bvr dude is so awesome

[@BlunderMunchkin]

Nice LO paint job :P

[@BrimHawk]

Love the CF188 Tiger Meet colours. Or is that the display team colours?

[@GrizzAxxemann]

Canada 150 demo

[@etienneonasch7415]

Nice video!! I have two questions: 1) When you fired the missile at 14:22 you turned instantly cold. How did you know that the missile didn't need any more guidance? Was it pitbull instantly because of the 6.7nm distance? 2) Do you have a video where you explain all the terminology (like MAR etc.), too? Best regards.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

yes, at those ranges the missiles comes off the rail active, and yes the video you are looking for is linked in the pinned comment.

[@celewign]

GS how similar are these tactics to real live tactics? Do these principals all apply roughly the same?

[@terryritter7065]

So what is the pitbull range of an AIM120 near the deck? I'm asking because, if you destroyed the aircraft that was painting you for that Fox 3, would it immediately go pitbull, or would it not track if it, say, had a predetermined distance to target before pitbull(ing).

[@imellor711]

Great video, but where did you get the Canadian F18 skin from? , As its pretty cool 😎

[@Inserico]

Thanks for putting together the content, always enjoy them! I was wondering what happens when the bandit has radar jamming on and you can’t get a lock on it until BFM range, can you still execute BVR?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

My pleasure, glad you find the videos helpful. To answer your question, You need to achieve burn thru, in DCS that’s always at 22 miles so you need to reduce your altitude to 18k feet (ish) because you don’t want to get burn thru at 40k and he burns thru on you and he fires and you’re deep inside the MAR at 40k. Hope that makes sense.

[@Inserico]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I’m not really understand what burn thru is and what that’s got to do with how high I am? Do we still want to engage BVR after 22 miles or do we want to switch to BFM?

[@Wolfe351]

just ordered the I'm a Cat person hoodie with the promo code!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you for supporting the channel, I hope you like it the hoodie.

[@Wolfe351]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Cheers GS its going to be my gaming jumper!

[@kainhall]

at least back in the 2.0 days..... the aim7 was WAY better when chasing someone down that was running away . it would EASILY out range the aim 120 when the target is cold the 120 kinda relies on your own speed.... and the targets speed (aka, closure rate) . while the 7 is like "lol, my motor burns long as fuck boi"

[@kainhall]

like.... if he shot an aim7 VS that very last 120 (and lived to give it tracking)........ that aim7 probably could have chased you down and got ya . i kinda remember like 5 mile 120 cold shots doing nothing...... but the aim7 would be JUST coming off motor about 1 or 2 seconds before impact

[@DGG.85]

Hey gs, just got the winwing Libra and Taurus hotas, could you post your control profiles somewhere?

[@Gunthrek]

I've been watching your videos for a while now and I understand the concept behind BVR strategy, but I'm curious to know if there is a different approach when engaging multiple targets. Most of your videos are 1v1, but most of the missions in DCS (especially the campaigns) have you fighting a bunch of enemies with your wingman. Do the concepts for 1v1 BVR still apply in that situation, or is there a different tactic to be used?

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Drinking game: Take a shot everytime he says MAR.

[@jasonvick55]

I don’t presume to speak for all but, I’d much rather you “get into the weeds” in TacView. You began talking about aspect and how you arrived in that position. The fact that you basically have half the threat due to positioning is very interesting…to me. I’m an analytical, math nerd so forgive the request for more in depth analysis. That much info may not be for all and that’s no good for the channel, so there’s that…lol! Keep ‘em coming bud! Great stuff!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks man, but ya with some of these older videos I do go into the details I just stopped doing it in later videos because I didn’t want to keep repeating myself I’m sure that would get annoying for people just seeing repetitive tacviews. But ya these older videos have all that information in their tacviews

[@ga.br07]

hornet is such a beautiful aircraft

[@trentrichardson806]

Hey sidewinder, you seem to really like DC'S, have you ever tried the game simple planes? If not id love for you to go in and test some of the planes and even build your own fighter

[@Mike_Romeo]

He has a lot videos with the simpler FC-3 planes. All you have to do is going through his video list.

[@slopland10]

So can we look off with the HMD and then fire? I have trouble deciding exactly when to fire with the HMD.

[@myplane150]

GS, could you maybe let us know what the acronyms (mar, stt, et al.) mean the first time you use them in the Tac View? If you say it at the beginning then use the acronym going forward it would be easier to understand the briefing. I know you have explained them before but the newbies or those of us with less then great memories would appreciate it. thx.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hi man, these terms are often used in all my videos I think it gets annoying for people if in every video I explain the same thing over and over again that is why I have a video in the pinned comment where all of those terms and more are explained, I hope you will find that video useful.

[@myplane150]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks for the quick response. To clarify, I'm not asking for a description but what the acronym stands for. Ex: instead of saying MAR, say minimum abort range the first time then MAR from then on out. Most of the Acronyms are self explanatory if the viewer knows what they stand for. Make sense? 😁 BTW, I re-watched the vids explaining terms but still don't know what stt means. Maybe I missed it?

[@johnzimmerman4040]

@@myplane150 single target track

[@candyquahogmarshmallow8257]

I know that this is an old video but what did you fire there as your first missile (fox 3) I'm learning the f-18c just now. Was it an AMRAAM?

[@fe.1073]

excellent videos friend, it would be interesting a video fighting an F-18 superhornet with some of the current rivals, whether European or Russian, I have not seen you in a single superhornet, is it not that it is not so good a plane for dogfighting? I've only seen you in Hornets 🤔

[@tupahutuokoneiswife3972]

Hmmm, thank you for the knowledge, especially the secret tactic. Seems to me, that tactic must have been used too much on z developer! Lol couple key strokes is matters of feet!

[@kaesees]

That S-turn GS's second-to-last AMRAAM did was a result of P/N guidance in the terminal phase and the turn reversal that the other Hornet did. I think the miss was a result of the missile going at ~1.2 mach just not quite having the G available for the intercept, maybe combined with DCS's goofy implementation of proximity fusing.

[@Sputniksim]

How wide is the radar beam cone of Aim120? I assume it is fixed antenna and not gimbal? To me it seems this missile in 15:15 just started tracking, turned at the target and then corrected for lead but could not pull that tight anymore. I wonder how quickly Aim120s guidance computer can actually calculate correct lead after it's radar locks target?

[@FukaiRei27]

At least 120s are not fixed array or antenna,

[@guitarlover42]

i had no idea missiles ran out of juice I thought the engine would be on the whole time till impact, I guess it makes sense they coast the final part of there range instead of instantly stopping duh.

[@sef-portugal5861]

The Red Baron of digital sky.

[@allan751]

Crank is not aggressive enough, although sufficient in this simulation. -pull gs, change the manœuvre plane while supporting the missile

[@themaplehornet]

Nice livery. Never seen it before.

[@mr_cleaner_upper8645]

It was the demonstration livery to celebrate the sesquicentennial in 2017. Stunning in person!

[@themaplehornet]

@@mr_cleaner_upper8645 That was a joke, I've seen this jet many times. Even know the pilot.

[@andrewanderson5297]

Burning syrup at a ferocious pace and flinging flapjacks.

[@gh0st556]

Can you do missle pov from your wing to the other jet?

[@nightlight0x07cc]

Modern Dogfighting Enthusiasts: There's no skill in contemporary combat, it's all computer guided fire and forget missiles! GS: . . . and this is how you outrun missiles while still firing off your own.

[@jlj3856]

With the amount of videos I’ve watched, I’d I could afford to play DCS I’m sure I could be half decent at it ! 🤣

[@ArmedVeteran1987]

I can say the same. The only thing I dont know is working the bottoms on the plane.

[@thegoldensniper909]

Him:dont worry i know he is lockin The guy:how did i miss

[@Maxus005]

"A skill you will lose over time" *remembers video uploaded on the second channel*

[@thereub8166]

😂🤣😂 you just had to draw the balls @ 16:54

[@ProKr3w]

Do a video showing how many jets it takes to kill a Raptor… like 8 F-16’s v 1 Raptor BVR

[@jemand8462]

0:59 missile LOST. That's exactly what happens to me all the time. But how does he keep it tracking after it's already lost?!

[@cwigglet5891]

Do you find BVR more or less intense than a traditional dogfight?

[@Mike_Romeo]

Dogfights but lets just say a BVR fight get intsenser as closer you get to the enemy.

[@dr.mantistobboggan4065]

BVR, especially if the bandit has FOX 3s on its side, since those only give warnings when the seeker activates.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

Whats A-Pole range on AMRAAMs in DCS? Also going out inside MAR is a good way to take a missile up the butt. Why are you so confident doing that so many times? Just curious the DCS numbers and what you're using for a lowalt AIM-120 MAR. Edit: oh youre offsetting, making it harder for him to put you on CATA and get a full WEZ.

[@michaelmyers764]

Can you teach how to do multiple target bvr engagements

[@kenhelmers2603]

I expect those 120c's to be better, but its all good fun :)

[@xenimaging]

Latest update really nerfed them. Check out Trickers latest video showing a tomcat dodging 11 in a row from two f16s within the MAR

[@avramnovorra]

I miss the TacViews for BVR fights..

[@LorenzoDiamond1]

Which are the radar settings .... azimuth ....in this video? You do very big manoovres without lose the lock

[@EXEDivision]

im like kinda new to BVR and stuff and I was wondering what does MAR mean?

[@rosomak722]

Did You try to run from missile by shutting engines off and coast ?

[@rasmusjensen4683]

How Can you keep the radar lock? My radar always loses lock even when im just flying straight and level.

[@3v4761]

Did you and longshot ever take revenge on that FW190 that took you both down

[@dylancampbell6433]

What do you mean going cold? How do you do that?

[@marcelgosselin7287]

CF-18 skins = 🔥

[@kamranbegakafr3ak]

but i wanna know what to do when i am one against 2 in fox 1 fight?

[@davisulo96]

BVR GANG!

[@Ph33NIXx]

Can you explain what cold and hot means and why it effects the missile?

[@nightlight0x07cc]

It seems like hot and cold as a concept are useful at the intermediate range, where a missile could maneuver well assuming you continued towards it, but can be out run if you turn around, hence why he approaches from the gimbal limit to reduce his turn time. If you're too close, you can't outrun a missile, but you can deny its maneuvers by jamming the wez. If you're too far, the missile has plenty of distance to maneuver, but you can kill its momentum by forcing maneuvers early in its unpowered approach (cranking). As I said though I'm not an expert. I've only played the Ace Combat and IL-2 series xD This is just based on what I gleaned from watching 8 hours of this channel today .-.

[@Ph33NIXx]

@@nightlight0x07cc the things you explained i did "understand", al though after your spelling it out, its as lot cleare to me. I guess my question is just really really basic. But whats the difference between hot and cold? Its not weather you use the afterburner or not is it? I gather the missiles use radar lock not heat.. pardon if i am asking a really stupid question xD

[@paez4779]

I miss these vids...