2025 The Second Falklands War: Who Would Win? (WarGames 70) | DCS

[@granulesackes4354]

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[@grimreapers]

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[@666ingz]

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[@Kaelland]

@@tauqeerhaider9373 Yes, but not the Genie from Aladdin 1. GR is the Genie of Aladdin 2: Return of Jafar.

[@tonydolton4544]

It would be a rout by the British with their upgraded equipment subs aircraft carriers stealth, euro fighters satellites etc the list goes on

[@agustinechegaray4866]

Hello! I am Argentine, your videos show a lot of respect and impartiality even though you are British. It is appreciated! Today we have almost nothing to defend ourselves and less to attack the islands jeje our pampa 3 block 2 is a very very good advanced and light attack trainer, you should see it! Greetings from Mar del Plata.

[@jimb9063]

Hey dude. It's the least to expect being grown up about things. The origin of the conflict was more a British diplomatic mess up in my book. Those who have to experience war when politicians fail tend to have mutual respect for each other. Let's hope it doesn't come to this again, but we tend to forget how bad war is as time goes by.

[@mac2857]

b'rish

[@superflyguy4488]

@@jimb9063 Combat is the biggest adrenaline rush its possible to experience, yes bad things happen but they do in everyday life.

[@bobrusso1814]

Good form my friend, good form.

[@jorgeadelprado]

The pampa is not a good plane nor combat capable. It was sold by the Argentinian government as a sort of substitute for the Mirages and the A4 but it is not even adequate for the modern requirements of modern war that require digital Combat training and BVR training.

[@neilhayz1555]

My uncle was on Minerva during the Falklands. He said the Argentine airmen were astonishingly brave. He also noted that they didn’t attack the big white painted Canberra as they thought it was a hospital ship. This was a happy accident as the ship was crammed with troops but the hurry to get the Task Force to sea meant paint jobs were not a priority.

[@cindyhuang7021]

this comment is actully underated

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

Remarkably honorable especially given their position.

[@jugganaut33]

Achievement: unintentional warcrime

[@kristiangustafson4130]

Everyone in the UK acknowledges the tremendous fight put up by the FAA. Very brave, professional work.

[@neilhayz1555]

@@jugganaut33 - Thatcher gets much credit for the War, but after the diplomatic mess, she was quite despondent about the prospects of retaking the islands. A junior cabinet secretary found Admiral Sir Henry Leach at no 10 Downing Street and famously took him into the cabinet meeting where various ministers were dismissing the chances of retaking the islands. Sir Henry Leach interrupted and said. “In 4 days I can have a Task Force ready to retake the Falklands.” Thatcher asked if it could be done. Leach simply said “Yes.” That 4 day time scale was the reason Canberra wasn’t painted. Normally ships taken into service in wartime receive a full paint job.

[@iskra1234]

Interesting video, but it ignores that the current Falklands Garrison is of a strength that would defeat any invasion in the first place, and that the Argentine Navy lacks the capability to re-run an invasion.

[@HellStr82]

there is nothing strong about the Uk about now. it`s a joke

[@lightfootpathfinder8218]

Well said 👍

[@carabus0354]

While I agree to a point, the video IMHO was set as THIS is the point we are at when the task force arrives, the defense failed or was removed at some point in the future. :)

[@JonBowe]

Must have invaded at the weekend while the Typhoon pilots were in the mess.

[@maximipe]

Even if we are in the works to modernize defense equipment, the country always claimed the sovereignty of the islands by diplomacy during democratic governments. Plus seeing as the UK is consistently violating several UN resolutions there we prob won't need to.

[@hephaestus4587]

I'm not allowed to tell you how many lightnings were involved in this mission... but I can tell you that I counted them all out, and I counted them all back again.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Thank u Brian 🫡

[@dannyshaw4057]

It's a bit ironic that that quote from the BBC has made it as a tag line for the the Falklands war considering, the BBC felt perfectly happy announcing to that world the attack by 2 PARA on Goose Green hours before it happened - allowing the Argentines to prepare, and then they helpfully advised the Argentine Air Force that they had mis set the fused on their bombs, this was corrected in the very next attack at the cost of hundreds of British lives. The BBC were an Argentine asset during the conflict, I am actually surprised that Hanrahan didn't report the precise times, load out and numbers of Harriers to Buenos Aires.

[@johngreen-sk4yk]

@@dannyshaw4057 it's almost as if the BBC has a problem with being British don't you think? 🤔

[@chrisparnham]

@@johngreen-sk4yk Well you can go with that explanation because it's great having a go at the BBC, isn't it? Or you can go with what actually happened the BBC World Service reported it because either the MoD or the Cabinet Office had told them about it, but didn’t tell them not to broadcast it. In her memoirs, Thatcher blamed the MoD, as do other commentators. In his memoirs, John Nott - head of the MoD at the time blamed the Cabinet Office. I'm sure that won't stop you from trying to think of other possible attacks you can launch against what is, without doubt, the most trusted news organisation in the world. Keep reading the Daily Mail that paradigm of trust, owned by the right-wing Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere who shows his deep loyalty to Britain with his non-domicile (non-dom) tax status run through a complex structure of offshore holdings and trusts. Or join the other 4 weirdos and get all your 'news' from the sinking ship that claims to be GB news which is renowned amongst all 4 for its trustworthiness and accuracy🤔

[@johngreen-sk4yk]

@@chrisparnham Oh look , another triggered lefty going into a diatribe rant because someone else dares have an opinion different to yours. I think you need to up your prescription fella 😉

[@anonymousdevildog1406]

FYI in the RL, ANY of the F35s which have target on their radar can share it w/ all other aircrafts. Also, cruise missiles and air to air missiles can be "guided" by any of these planes enabling the Navy to strike WAY over the horizon now. All these aircraft are interlinked and can work together. When they are Navy, their radars and the ships can work together. When the US Navy and Japanese Navy are working together, we can see targets from any Japanese destroyer as if it was the US. So - we can launch from way over the horizon and the Japanese destroyer can guide it to target.

[@jouniairplanevideos]

I've said it before. A F35 is a armed E3C

[@sartainja]

It is nice to see Allies working their assets in tandem as it needs to be.

[@unclebones]

F35 isnt based on BSAI, so the points mute, QRA is from a flight of Typhoon FGR4, supported by a Voyager.

[@carabus0354]

That's cool!

[@Nr15121]

The us Lightning’s have those abilities but it’s not clear if the allied Lightning’s and other systems have that level of integration.

[@hmmjedi]

As to the AWAC the RN would have Crowsnest (basically the same system as mounted on the Sea King ASaC7) equipped Merlin Helicopters they would probably have a radar range around 150nm which when operating 50nm down the threat axis would provide good AEW coverage, the system is currently in service and 3 sets went with the CSG21 on it's Far East trip. The RN will have 10 sets for operational use. Outside of that a good video.

[@Kishanth.J]

They aren’t in DCS yet if I remember correctly.

[@sensibledriver933]

Crowsnest is a brilliant idea. We cant lauch awacs from the QE carriers but this is almost as good.

[@luisdestefano6056]

Please note that the first Battle of the Falklands was in 1914, against Imperial Germany. The second and better known in 1982 against Argentina. There is no need or purpose whatsoever for a third one.

[@BK45AUS]

That paint scheme on the J17's is the most Airfix model paint scheme i've seen in game yet....and i love it. Reminds me of about 60% of the model planes my father made me as a child...lol

[@lohrtom]

It’s amazing how far the RN has come since 1982.

[@rossthomson1958]

We need more ships, the new announcement is a very positive step.

[@MTBScotland]

They did well to take the islands given the skysabre, type 45 and 4 typhoons stationed there

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I guess I have to go back and simulate the actual initial taking of the island.

[@MTBScotland]

@@grimreapers I think given what we already know about their armed forces it would be a total defeat. One of your shortest videos.

[@jbx-]

@@grimreapers In 2025 the U.K. will have type 45 with 72 missiles each an increase from 48. That will be 48 aster 30 long range missiles and then 26 short range sea ceptor. Additionally, unsure of type 26 in service date but that will have 48 sea ceptor air defence missiles vs the 32 currently on type 23. additionally this video neglects the type 23 frigate which would be in any carrier strike group the Royal Navy would send. The U.K. also has 2 air craft carriers so could ironically pincer the Argentines and entirely surpress their air forces. QEC also has crowsnest which does provide longer range than type 45 alone, granted not as potent as awacs but still quite good. QEC can also Carry 70 aircraft at war time load, U.K. has 25 f35 and will order around 80 in total. The projection could be significantly more than 24 jets due to the sheer size of the ships The capabilities for anti ship and submarine are impressive but would also compliment massively the air defence capabilities coupled with type 45. If type 26 were to be included they would also include land attack missiles which in theory could strike argentine bases prior to aircraft taking off. The British do tend to learn well historically from wars. Additionally, the U.K. would send a couple astute class submarines which also have land attack capabilities to hit air bases to prevent air craft taking off. Again left out of this video The U.K. is substantially more powerful now air defence wise than in 82 but nonetheless the U.K. wouldn’t risk it’s fleet if it can eliminate military bases and fast jets Also to mention that U.K. has 4 typhoons based in the Falklands which by 25 would likely have their improved radars and would massively increase British air defence capabilities, similarly the U.K. has sky sabre which is basicallly sea ceptor on the islands which is a major upgrade from rapier. Granted your video already had the Argentines on the island but for some real life perspective they’d be very important respectively. GCHQ would also likely have a role to play weather it’s cyber or internet/communications denial & also f35 in electronic warfare mode. F35 itself can indeed engage air to air and anti ship cruise missiles Not forgetting special forces etc.. The r

[@tonydoherty2190]

I hope Britain and Argentina never have to go through another Falklands it was nasty last time

[@andreipendle1778]

This was a singularly awesome simulation. All the effort was well worth the epic moments, well done boys!

[@johnedwards3198]

I'd like to see an all out attack against the 4x QRA Typhoons and likely 1x patrolling Type45 Destroyer before the all out attack on the task force with whatevers left.

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@graveperil2169]

if Argentina manages to pull together this collection of fighters why would the 4x QRA Typhoons not be increased to counter them?

[@johnedwards3198]

@@graveperil2169 because as with any situation there is bound to be a consideration of assets. Only so many F35 and Typhoons are available at any one time. Factor in the primary focus of home air defence, air policing of Eastern Europe, commitments around the far East, projecting power around the China sea... Without direct threat intel or escalation why move the assets, pilots, support staff and logistics away from pier adversaries and ongoing commitments solely as someone recapitalises their air force

[@graveperil2169]

@@johnedwards3198 the UK still considers Argentina a threat it is why they have blocked all their arms deals that they can if the Argentine Airforce grew to this level then the UK would have to respond

[@johnedwards3198]

@@graveperil2169 a threat yes but anymore a threat than the likes of Russia or China at this time? Not particularly. With a worthwhile payload a JF17 or especially J10 would have limited range around target. The sub/s and destroyer/frigate that are patrolling the area would likely be sufficient to deter a naval assault so again considering assets and risk there's not much to gain

[@Ecrocken]

Great scenario, Cap and boys! The amount of work and research that you put into your videos is evident. Thank you!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@ShionWinkler]

Fun fact about the first war, the main thing that gave Britain an decisive edge was the uses of Chilean Radar stations to watch the Argentine Air Force take off and head out on missions, so the Harriers could be placed in the right place in the right numbers at the right time to intercept them. In fact the only time British ships got hit was the few days that the main Chilean Radar station went offline because of a malfunction that they needed to quickly bring parts to repair.

[@corsair6]

🤨 The RN lost 6 ships, and just as many were damaged to the point of being mission kills. Those numbers would’ve been much larger had Argentine weapons handlers fused their weapons correctly as a number of unexploded bombs penetrated a handful of ships.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@martinpalmer6203]

@@corsair6 Yeah those unexploded munitions could have made a huge difference, reading the stories of bombs passing through both sides of a ship then still not exploding or otherwise wedging themselves inside the ships unexploded.. That wasn't skill on the part of the British nor lack of skill on the part of the attacking pilot's . One of histories "If only's" on the level as the many many "if only's" Japan produced during WW2. Imagine being the Japanese submarine captain that narrowly missed sinking USS Indianapolis *before* she delivered the "Internal components" for the bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US would have needed a substantial amount of time to replace those 2 cores... But imagine being him knowing what happened afterwards to those 2 cities which he effectively would have prevented had his sub been in just a little better position. So many "What if's"

[@baldieman64]

Yep. That was a deal with the devil if ever there was one. Pinochet was a nasty piece of work.

[@Argentvs]

@@corsair6 the arms mechanics were trained for a conventional continental war. Teh Air Force had no experience, training nor procedure for naval warfare, it was the Navy's Air Command mission. They trained in a few weeks. The fuses were armed as per manuals, for standard use on land drops. They chose older big bombs that were proper to sink ships and used mechanical fuses that were in amply stocks. But the attack profile didn't let them to arm in time. Hence the RN got saved continuously by this luck. Only thanks to the BBC reporting bombs were failing they realized the problem. So they started to make double fuse use with the nose one as back up with a fixed timed off after release, and use the more limited electronic fuses by the late stage of the conflict. Also new bombs with new fuses were produced by the Military Factory of Explosives but it was late.

[@krismurphy7711]

First Step by Brits.... sneak subs in close to the two airbases and launch surface to surface missiles to take out planes/runways....then run Carrier Group in close enough to launch F35s to do follow up attacks on airfields. Brits would also send both carriers...QE and POW...and a lot more surface ships....radar picket frigates. Maybe even load up some transport ship carrying tomahawks in contatiners....to attack airfields.

[@RobbyQuarantined]

11:21 I love watching the business end of a fighter jet pucker up for takeoff

[@Mjones8383]

Can we get a continental war game tournament I left a comment explaining in the newest video

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Sir. Will do my best.

[@yobeatthat85]

I worked on both new aircraft carriers, during construction the flight deck needed a special thermal resistant layer of paint that cost £2,500 per square metre. Also on the flight deck during construction they had a row of porta-loos......I am one of a handful of people that have taken a dump on the queen lizzy carrier flight deck........I can't wait to tell the grandkids

[@Leroy1Jenkins]

2500 per square meter! Jesus

[@dereksimpson7959]

Thanks!

[@tonkerdog1]

The Type 45s would close the airspace. The F35s would have no adversary, and give the task force the ability to simply attack what ever we desired. Airfields, radar sites, command and control centres, any surface vessel.

[@grimreapers]

Noted

[@dannyshaw4057]

I would imagine that the Argies would wait to attack until a time when the majority of the Type 45s were in port undergoing repairs.....which currently is any day that has a 'y' on the end of it. 1 is in service at the moment.

[@graveperil2169]

@@dannyshaw4057 thats due to them not liking hot weather an issue in the gulf not that big a concern down south

[@darthsarcastus1064]

@@dannyshaw4057 Type 45's as opposed to the Type 42 or lesser destroyers with lesser anti air capability and radar, no contest.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Type 45s can't see through mountains. or the curvature of the earth (in this sim there were two ships sitting in the waters between the islands) if you can sneak up 45s are VERY vulnerable as they have no point defence to speak of - Phalanx doesn't work and ASTER 15 is useless against close-in low altitude targets - they can't turn hard enough during the initial burn phase and will overshoot. The project to fit Sea Ceptor has been kicked back at least 5 years and all anti-ship missiles removed and given to the Ukrainians with no replacements in sight - madness. Also batteries of Sky Sabre that should be in the Falklands are currently sitting on the Polish/Ukraine border.

[@neilwilkins9002]

thanks guys couple of beers, dinner and a great boom boom video...I'm now ready for Tuesday

[@trajifo2220]

I am Argentinian and the only way for our country to recover (appart from recent history, those islands are in dispute from early 19 century...) is to play a football match in the islands and the winner takes the territory. Not in a millon years through military efforts or diplomatic

[@92HazelMocha]

We need a new scenario where the UK invades the Falklands because Argentina smashed them in a football match lol

[@KrisTheLVN]

I think Top Gear tried that. It didn't work out too well.

[@trajifo2220]

@@KrisTheLVN 1982FKL plates in a car something like that LOL.

[@KrisTheLVN]

@@trajifo2220 that was a crap situation. I know in some places you can get a waiver for using a fake license plate or not using one but I'm not sure if Argentina is one of them. I would have loved to see that match start like the end of the India special. Burn the plate at the start to put away the little that divides us to focus on the majority that unites us.

[@trajifo2220]

@@KrisTheLVN Yes of course, and specially when talking about games. I enjoy watching these videos sometimes more than TV shows. This complex simulations shown here are outstanding.

[@TheMotonp2010]

I appreciate the effort you put in to these videos. Thanks.

[@mixit2413]

I don't know how they would have taken the island in the first place considering how fortified it is now but still fun to watch. Argentina didn't have a chance even against one Duncan let along a taskforce. What would be more fun is Argentina trying to take the island defended by a River class patrol vessel, 4 typhoons with I assume meteor missiles and 1700 troops with I assume fixed anti air and apparently datalink of some sort.

[@watcherzero5256]

Yeah taking the island from the Garrison would have been a more balanced simulation.

[@grimreapers]

Rgr noted

[@watcherzero5256]

Also was due to have the first completed Sky Sabre battery but was diverted to reinforce Poland against Russia.

[@darthsarcastus1064]

Not to mention the numerous radar stations around the islands (Mt Kent etc), all data linked by now, only thing BFSAI is missing at the moment is the latest GBAD in the pipeline for UKLF. That would make any airbourne landing in BFSAI very difficult.

[@Angel_423]

@@watcherzero5256 we already have them. I've seen them in person

[@AK-ky3ou]

How was the f35 shot down, you glanced over that from “I’d be surprised to lose any lightnings - all argies being shot down to 1 lightning lost”?

[@alexandercain8904]

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons the Junta decided to attack in '82 was because the Royal Navy had retired their F-4s and the carriers that could transport them; the ski-jump carriers could only operate Harriers. In '25 with RN F-35s, there would be no way they could sink a British ship.

[@superflyguy4488]

In 2025 theres no way Argentina would be able to fund 20 rubber dingys let alone do so without the UK SIGINT assets knowing about it.

[@r200ti]

I think that thinking was flawed. From all the reading ive done of it, the world (apart from the US) saw the Harrier as little more than a circus trick. So yeh, from what you say it makes sense the Junta thought they could pull it off. Problem was, the US and UK test pilots knew how good the Harrier was and i dont think there was actually much concern on our side having the Harriers instead of the F-4's. Infact from what ive seen i think the Harriers were completely unmatched as they could operate in conditions that F-4's or any supersonic aircraft couldnt.

[@superflyguy4488]

We are all talking of the air war but as has been proved again and again before and since 1982, you cannot dominate the ground from the air alone and arguably the UK had the only formed BG sized units (5 Airborne and 3 CDO BDE) that were capable of landing at one end of the island and fighting its way to the other, in demanding conditions over difficult terrain. The land war was won on the likes of Sennibridge and Ottorburn training areas.

[@kevinskipp2762]

@@tauqeerhaider9373 don’t be ridiculous, I’d still put my money on the Type 45s to take them out and in any case their runways would be pebbledashed by cruise missiles from our ships and subs. Plus Argentina can’t afford anything right now

[@darthsarcastus1064]

@@r200ti that and the US supplied us with the latest model AIM 9 Sidewinder which made the Harrier a very potent beast.

[@Mjones8383]

I'd like to see a continental war games. Such as North America/Great Britain vrs Europe vrs South America/ Cuba vrs Australia vrs Aisa. Like a tournament style. I think it could be a very good series NO NUKES ALLOWED

[@TrojanHell]

A transatlantic conflict would definitely be an interesting twist to maybe wargame variations of an escalation of the Taiwan situation.

[@adamlairsey6700]

There isn't anyway to establish anything in the US. There are FAAAAAR to many battery systems and thousands of fighters up and down the east coast as well as the West Coast. No way to get planes across the ocean to fight. Even with China, Russia, Brittain(2 carriers) with one carrier that would be annihilated crossing the Atlantic or Pacific with 100s of cruise missiles and its done. Nevermind getting hundreds of thousands of men, anmo, tanks, fuel, fuel trucks, logistical vehicles, 100s of troop transport vehicles, 100s of supply trucks, 100s of equipment trucks, all on American soil. There isnt enough boats to do this. Even if China and Russia went full force and somehow establish one outpost on one beach and it didn't get bombed, you have the entire military and tanks and planes across the US to contend with, then behind that there are 150 MILLION AR-15 and 350 Million plus assault rifles, shotguns and pistols, so theoretically all 350 million men, women, and children, lol, could be armed right away and there is ammo in private ownership to fight a war. It isn't possible without Nukes, period. No bias, it just isn't possible. Research war games.

[@Mjones8383]

@@TrojanHell I want to see a tournament of all the militaries on a continent against another continent

[@akronity3827]

Cap there is a score window in dcs where you can filter events like kills and it shows the amount of planes on each side, look in your settings "score window" for the bind

[@kaitmmvi1744]

he knows about the score window, ive seen him use it before

[@anthonykearney608]

@@kaitmmvi1744 yeah he uses it often

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@gwizdolby]

I would like to just put it out there that I'm not a DCS player, but I have fallen in love with the GR channel! I love aviation but am not a video game player. You lads are top notch!

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Wiz!

[@TrojanHell]

Speedy missile seems harder to dodge, despite the legitimate distance argument

[@gregoryhattenfels7864]

Kudos gents ,like GR vids so much i'm learning to fly on DCS and even with so many resources available it is not an easy learning curve ,so i really do appreciate the time and effort you put in to make the missions and scenarios. Keep up the fantastic work.

[@JD96893]

great video as always GR! Love seeing the JF-17! Great looking plane.

[@jayfenny7461]

Today on September the 8th, 2022 the queen of England has died. I pay my and our tributes to the woman that got us through several wars and many more hard times. May she rest in peace. Long live the king.

[@LordOfLight]

With the Royal Navy's two new carriers and their F35s, plus the Astute class attack subs, it's difficult to see how the Argentinians could hold the islands even if they were able to take them in the first place.

[@soldierbr8726]

which they wouldnt specially with the raf mount pleseant there

[@tetraxis3011]

@@soldierbr8726We can assume that a surprise attack plus commando Raines crippled the island defenses.

[@soldierbr8726]

@@tetraxis3011 bud, the Argentine military in the 70s couldn't take the Island quietly imagine today with a non existent air force, a incompetent and outdated land force and a aging navy, if you seriously believe they could take the Island you're delusional

[@tetraxis3011]

@@soldierbr8726 I think yo are forgetting that in this scenario Argentina bought new planes.

[@soldierbr8726]

@@tetraxis3011 oh yeah I forgot, but even then the eurofighter shitbox can take them on, and your point doesn't disregard the rest of what I pointed out on the Argentine military

[@maxjohn6012]

I really enjoyed that, Cap (and boys) :) I know it's a lot of work, but I'd love to see some more missions like this with the dramatic irony of you setting up and explaining misdirection from the AI.

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@dannyhoule2411]

I am pretty sure the RAF also has permanent based Typhoons on the island (i think 6).

[@squaddie67]

It's 4. 1435 Flight.

[@watcherzero5256]

Four Tranche 1 typhoons.

[@diegof4p2]

A single Typhoon would be able to shoot down our entire air force, so no worries.

[@graveperil2169]

also a a planned and practiced route to deploy extras direct from the UK

[@DarkLordDiablos]

Love the crash landing at the end. You can imagine frantic radio chatter of "You're coming in too hot and you're too low. PULL UP NOW!!! PULL UP!!!! PULL UP!!!!"

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

Can’t wait to see if someone eventually models the type 26 and type 31 frigates for potentially future Royal Navy battles, especially seeing as it plans to expand w buying the odd expensive ship like the type 26 w a few type 31/32’s in tow. I could expect to someday see a QE carrier with a pair of type 45’s, coupled with up to 4 type 26 frigates and 3 type 31 and type 32’s together. that’s with leaving a minuscule amount for home defence and not a carrier in sight. Tho the home defence for clarity would include 2 type 45’s, alongside 2 type 31 and 32 frigates each left over, plus with the potential of further expansion having one expensive ship and a batch of up to 4 that cost the same, it could be a lil better

[@jimb9063]

Yes that would be the ideal escort, with an attack boat in tow too. Not sure the plan is to have 4 frigates with the 2 type 45's, and still don't like the fact the QE's only have CWIS for air defence. As you say, not much leftover. I'd imagine the usual maintenance plans would go out the window if a battle group had to go somewhere though They got Victory's masts back on yet?!.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

@@jimb9063 well I mean 4 type 26 and 3 of each type 31 and 32 frigate designs currently being built. And yeah QE at least needs some kind of missile defence even if it’s relatively short range. don’t understand that logic myself. Also what’s that bout victory’s masts? And yeah I mean those are the currently planned numbers, all together that makes 18 frigates for the fleet, with the potential for more. aside from that I’d like to believe they upgrade a couple of the type 45’s to last into the late 2030’s when the supposed type 83’s are meant to be around, that may even increase the numbers of destroyers even if it’s just by say 3. ofc some of that was guesswork and hopes but cmon, having single digits when it comes to a ship class outside of a carrier is a bit shocking really.

[@jimb9063]

@@splatoonistproductions5345 Yes another South Atlantic adventure would involve pretty much everything that's for sure, leaving Victory as the only commissioned ship to defend the realm. Needs a bit more than the masts doing granted... Hope that the catobar conversion is not a pipe dream either. Might make the two island layout more pleasing to the eye. They're not even sexy looking ramps like the Russian/Chinese versions.

[@mikeycraig8970]

@@jimb9063 not as of ten days ago. Still scaffolding up around her too. Luckily I went on Victory three years ago when you wasnt being worked on.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

@@jimb9063 I mean, I doubt a venture to the south Atlantic would require the whole Royal Navy, probably only as much as what’s in this video tbh. but yeah leaving the mainland uk defenceless is kinda silly. hopefully this increase from 2.2% to 2.5 and possibly to 3% will give enough money to get the fleet to a decent enough size that it can send both carriers out at the same time with the above mentioned ideal fleet composition, while maintaining a decent sized defence at home. And yeah I get what you mean bout the duel island configuration, it’s a pretty decent idea for practical use rather than cramming it all into one like most carriers, tho it does make for one sight that’s for sure. also yeah the Chinese and Russian ramps do seem a bit better looking, but we all have our ways of doing it, prolly kept up w a similar design to what the illustrious and ark royal had before the QE and POW.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Well done Cap! And to all that worked on this :) Thanks!

[@maxliverpool]

Cap, as much as I love the concept, the entire invasion seems to have just completely blown last the flight of fighters that secured the Falkland islands, specifically No. 1435 flight with FGR4 Typhoons. I suppose they could have been withdrawn in 2025 for deployment elsewhere starting the invasion, but it would be interesting to see if flight 1435 could either see off the attack, or cripple the Argentine air force to the point the British relief party would face considerably less resistance.

[@michaelwong4303]

guys: for any initial invasion with air power, don't forget that Britian has squardon of Euro fighter Typhoon stationed there. Now the Typhoon may not be the best fighter but is more than enough to handle the J17 and J10. 🙂

[@Ayns.L14A]

Everyone tends to forget the "eyes" we had on the Argentinian airfields for early warnings giving the task force number and time of takeoff for most of the airstrikes. what about modern anti air capabilities based on the Falklands?? would that make much difference??

[@Token_Civilian]

Great episode GR. Well done.

[@Thomas-lu7dn]

These are genuinely relaxing to watch

[@constantinobugatti1200]

Love your videos!. But to correct a couple of misconceptions: First the air force has 7 operational A4AR. Second our entire hércules fleet has undergone modernizations and upgrades (including our 2 refueling tankers). Third the number of operational pampas as of 2023 is close to 20 (mainly because they are Still being produced in their most modern version) And four the deal with china is for 24 jf17 Block III . Other than that great video.

[@psikogeek]

A Falklands scenario without Thatcher is like a Sealion scenario without Churchill.

[@superflyguy4488]

There is a significant difference between leadership and management. While Churchill was a decent wartime leader, he was a dreadful tactician, this was made worse by his imperialistic leanings. This was evident by the post war election in which he lost by a huge margin.

[@darthsarcastus1064]

@@superflyguy4488 Thatcher didn't try to influence the Falklands War, to her it was a political win, she allowed her military leaders to do what they do and win based on sound judgement and planning (and a bit of luck).

[@superflyguy4488]

@@darthsarcastus1064 Exactly, hence why she was a better wartime manager than Churchill although from a perspective 1982 was not on the scale of 1939 although Churchill was in a win/win situation.

[@McLarenMercedes]

To OP. Operation Sealion never happened, was never going to work and was *proven* to have ended in failure in a 1974 wargame conducted by Royal Military Academy Sandhurst. The fact is that Nazi Germany simply didn't have the naval capacity to turn into a successful invasion. For starters they had no landing ships and planned on using hastily converted river barges from all over Europe to augment this. Crossing the canal in such badly suited vessels would have led to a fiasco with moderately rough seas. Admiral Raeder also said in 1940 that Germany could at most land 9 divisions in England but that 30 divisions were needed to guarantee a successful invasion. Even those 9 divisions were an optimistic measure given that everything went according to plan and the weather was good... The Falklands would have been defended by the RN and RAF whether or not Thatcher was prime minister. It made absolutely no difference. Operation Sealion would only happen in a scenario in which Hitler (a known admirer of the British Empire) would decide (out of the blue!) that the Soviet Union wasn't his main enemy he absolutely needed to destroy at any cost. But then he wouldn't have been Hitler. So this hypothetical scenario is nonsensical.

[@John_SlideRule_Bullay]

Catching up on videos, great battle!

[@CoherentChimp]

Silly scenario Britain now has nuclear powered subs which are very difficult to detect. They can be armed with Cruise missiles to target essential infrastructure on the Argentine mainland, such as power stations, oil refineries, airports, harbours, rail stations, communication centres etc. The UK could force any invading Argentinian force out of the Falklands without needing to send troops to recapture the islands.

[@benkirby8461]

If Argentina has control of the island then wouldn't they have air support at the air field ? Also , maybe Simba should have been able to respawn seeing as the AI wasn't able to attack the inbound antiship missiles ? GREAT JOB GR LOADS OF FUN THANK YOU

[@diegof4p2]

We have no air force and pretty much no navy, so this would be over before it started. Great video.

[@geekandproud7391]

First time viewer, I just got recommended this video, really enjoyed it. Wouldn't the Falkland's garrison have repelled any attack before the Argentinians landed troops?

[@davegrove795]

Worth it!! Thanks for the hard work

[@WolfVidya]

Argie here, 2025 would only give a new government (est 2023, election year) 2 years to reverse a heavy, decades long spiral of defunding of education, health and overall cultural and cerebral decay caused by peronism and similar forces, this is accompanied by their heavy defunding and reduction of military forces in all areas. So yeah, a new Malvinas occupation is not on the forecast for 2025, or at least another like 100 years. Even with Chinese funding, which I don't know where your GR members are sourcing from (as we've just received 5 billion USD from them literally a couple weeks ago for another project, further destroying economic forecasts).

[@ShakemeisterS64]

Hiya Wolf, you spelled Falklands wrong ;-)

[@WolfVidya]

@@ShakemeisterS64 It is the correct name in my language. Same as Brasil vs Brazil for example.

[@jungtaemin1639]

@@WolfVidya well its a bit weird to use a Spanish/Argentinian name in a English comment isn't it?

[@doabarrellroll69]

@@jungtaemin1639 it's just a regional thing, shouldn't matter that much.

[@lhjung1]

I am so sad, that your video wasnt any longer than this, given all the work you did on the programming.

[@doemacmonkey]

I am biased, being Australian, since we developed them, but I’ll have you know that the Americans and other allies pretty much acknowledge that the wedgetail E-7 AEW&C plane is superior to all current available analogues such as the mechanical “ufo” 707 or 767 awacs aircraft

[@grimreapers]

Cool!

[@bw7778]

Fascinating simulation and huge respect for the effort you guys have put in to bring the weaponry up to date. Observations I would make would be: - the QE carrier would be equipped with more than 24 F-35s in a war (surge) situation, and the F-35s are purpose-built to network their data/intelligence (and the QE carrier is the only carrier so far designed from the outset to fully utilise the F35 networking capabilities); - there would be at least 2x T23 frigates with her in 2025, equipped with Sea Ceptor (shorter range than T45 Sea Viper, but with an uprated C2!) - UK would definitely have AEW in addition to the Crowsnest system, as tankers, P8A & Rivet Joint could all be utilised; - Satellite coverage would also be utilised & is way more sophisticated than in 1982; - Meteor missile is way more capable than shown here, and using a modified AMRAAM doesn't do it justice. It's the only missile the Russian air force are reputedky absolutely terrified of... Nevertheless a great simulation, though as other contributors here have pointed out, probably a more likely scenario would be to simulate the existing garrison with Typhoons & Astute subs successfully defending against an attempted 2nd invasion.

[@misteranderson3104]

We would always send 2 carriers ,our doctrine is they work in pairs during wartime, in case one is sunk. I've always thought smaller carriers in higher quantities is the way to go. They only have to sink one large carrier and we will fold . Too many casualties. You can have more smaller carriers in more places at once with more flexibility and if one is sunk it's not war ending.

[@rossthomson1958]

I may be wrong but I think logistics would be a lot harder with a couple of smaller carriers, the us navy and Royal Navy have the best air defence systems that could deter threats.

[@misteranderson3104]

@@rossthomson1958thanks for the comment. I agree , there's always pro's and con's. But a carriers main threat is submarines.With the logistics side of things carriers always sail in fleets and so resources will be spread out . One large super carrier is 5thousand sailors, 40+aircraft and helis, munitions ,fuel and stocks. While smaller carriers can be anywhere from 10 aircraft to 20. One sub or a salvo of missiles take out a supercarrier and the war is over. It would be a disaster. Another point is these large carriers are fueled by nuclear reactors so there is also a environmental aspect to consider. oh and they are alot cheaper and cost less to operate. Just my thoughts .

[@rossthomson1958]

@@misteranderson3104 good point.

[@pnkemp]

Just watched this having seen the latest ones, and Wow, you guys have done so much work in the last few months!

[@blazer666del]

How come you couldnt use RFA Bay Class Vessels for the landings? Also the Type 45's radar has a range of 400km!

[@grimreapers]

We don't have RFA in game. Agree but line of sight is also a restriction.

[@davebartos7743]

Awesome, thanks guys.

[@AlexSmith-qf1mz]

Surely, British subs would take out the Argentinian Air Force on the ground, with cruise missiles?

[@Nordy941]

Great vid as always.

[@boyinaducksuit5073]

Ooooh I like this concept cause I immediately think “Britain will win right?” But I have no idea about the military of Argentina or what they use I’m definitely going to research what equipment now! Thanks for reminding me to research smaller countries and their ability in world power

[@thefilthycasual448]

Trust me bro: Argentina (respectfully) is trash. -Literally a lot of their planes that were used in the Falklands war, are still being used now(as in those EXACT same planes). -Their navy has a late cold war cruiser I believe (?). But its like 4500t. Lol, any RN Frigate weighs more than that. -They have no 4th gen planes etc. It's really bad.

[@martinberazategui]

@@thefilthycasual448 hi, I'm Argentine and I could say you're right...

[@thefilthycasual448]

@@martinberazategui yeah, no offence, your country`s military is trash. But thats ok.

[@nubbyg9096]

@@thefilthycasual448 cruiser was sunk in first falklands war

[@Mariano.Bernacki]

I'll spare you the research: Absolutely jack shit. Government has had so much fun on past decades funding social welfare plans to the detriment of everything else (including education, healthcare, etc.) that Uruguay or Bolivia could roll in right now and they'd be in Buenos Aires in a week.

[@jamison884]

24:00 Yes sir, AIM-120D and Meteor (and most modern missiles) are believed to have data link to include in-flight targeting information, the capability to change targets, and general communications capability between missiles/others networked platforms on the data link. The upcoming AIM-260 (set to be deployed as early as Q4 2022 with speculated specs of around 200 km and speed of mach 5), AIM-120, and Meteor are all supposed to have AESA active-homing radar and passive radar onboard, with the active-homing also assisting in electronic warfare defensive capability.

[@g3arjammer837]

I’m curious is it possible to counter a all aspect IR missile with another all aspect IR missile in DCS?

[@92HazelMocha]

Yes. I've done it several times mostly on accident.

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@g3arjammer837]

@@grimreapers Awesome. Thanks!

[@g3arjammer837]

@@92HazelMocha lmao. Nice

[@tanksoldier]

Also, there should be a flight of 4 Typhoon FGR4 at Mount Pleasant. I’d like to see how well they blunt the initial invasion.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

Few questions Cap. - Why no Argentinian AWACS? (If this is a fiction they could also buy 1 from China!) - Where is the Argentinian Navy? (At least as decoys.) - F-35s have pylons on them, then how are they stealthy? - Why no human pilot on Argentinian side?

[@watcherzero5256]

F-35 have an internal bay but can also have pylons fitted for extra weapons load, they increased the RCS from 0.1m to 0.2m to simulate that. Argentina has three frigates with MM38 Exocets and SAMs but they both have a maximum range of 40km, they have 7 Corvettes with MM38 Exocets but no SAMs, 40km max range for ASM and 10km max range for AA guns. They wouldnt have been able to contribute anything to this fight.

[@92HazelMocha]

It's fiction but the Jf17 deal is very real, although they'd be block 3's with their own AESA radars and PL15's. Part of the reason it fell through before and probably will again is that Pakistan has very close ties with NATO and while China has played a large role in thr JF17, ultimately its up to Pakistan to decide to sell them.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@watcherzero5256 Litteral gibberish. RCS is not a set number and adding reflective and defracting surfaces does not increase it by a set amount.

[@sandevee439]

@@92HazelMocha RCS implementation in DCS is lacking, due to stealth aircraft only being mods. In DCS it is simply a set number, so in game it unfortunately works that way.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@sandevee439 In the game yes, but not in real life and a surprisingly large amount of people seem to not understand that.

[@dr.argentina]

In fact, the option of acquiring the Mig 35's is not completely denied, I understand that they are going to reinforce some runways of the air force to be able to operate heavier planes, the JF 17 weighs just over one or two tons more than the A-4Ar so it would not make sense to reinforce the runways only for planes that weigh slightly more than the A-4, it is not decided yet, but I think the most likely purchase will be the Mig 35 when the war ends

[@andrewsmall6834]

Even if they had all those Chinese jets they'd never be able to defeat the garrison on the Falklands let alone take on the retaliation force.

[@mmxmmx-zo2my]

Wow, can't believe how awesome this is and the effort you've put in to get this working! Fantastic effort chaps. I have a strange request can you on a hypothetical scenario that would never happen but it would be interesting to see. Can you do a straight fight in open water between Charles De gaul aircraft carrier and get accompanying fleet versus one of the UK carriers and her support ships. I think the fight between the French Rafales versus the f35s and the different weaponry they both utilise. Thanks so much for your content!

[@luisangelperez9469]

Argentina can't afford to hold an Air Force...

[@JD96893]

Actually no. They can and they did. The problem is that they decided to fuck with the wrong country, which resulted in basically Argentina being fucked for the next several decades do to sanctions, weapons embargos, and the country(UK) that had invested billions in the Argentine economy no longer investing(although that was a long time coming, the war was just the final push). People don't understand just how much vital stuff the UK provides in the combat aircraft industry. The UK basically blocked any deals from going through (US selling the Skyhawks was a fluke and the excuse was they weren't fighter, also they didn't get many spare parts or support soooo). The only country not relying on technology and parts from the UK i believe was of Russia and China. Argentina did not have good relations with China, especially after they sank an illegal Chinese fishing boat in Argentine waters, no one was killed though.(only country to date with enough balls to sink illegal Chinese fishing boats). It also severely affected their defense industry(which was actually good). This side of the Falklands war is over looked and is what had the most profound affect on Argentina. Argentinians are still angry over what happened, their history books probably paint it something similar to the Irish oppression during the early 1900's.

[@luisangelperez9469]

@@JD96893 TLDR, can or can't they afford a proper air force 2022,whatever the reason?

[@JD96893]

@@luisangelperez9469 i said "they can and they did". Deals just keep falling through because pretty much everybody uses UK gear and tech, so the UK catches wind of a deal and they start power projecting to shut it down.

[@luisangelperez9469]

@@JD96893 gotcha

[@BelfastBiker]

so manyof these fights, the allies do their job, and then run out of fuel - why do they not take off with extra fuel tanks?

[@Stinger522]

Is it just me or is the AIM-120D smaller than the AIM-120C? If Argentina really wants to take another shot at the Falklands, they going to need to buy some AWACs and tanker planes. Not that it will guarantee victory but it will at least make them a little more competitive. As for the fight itself, you guys clubbed the opposition like baby seals. Next up should be Greece Vs. Turkey. Rafales vs. Vipers.

[@rodrigonunez9451]

Is not only buying thinks my friend. We need a new airforce, a new airforce doctrine, a lot of planes. A new navy, new naval doctrine focused in Submarine warfare, amphibius assault ships, supersonic anti ship missiles, etc.

[@MegaRadarlove]

Awesome targeting guys. Kinda like shooting ducks at a fair (130 Miles away). Suggest the following. Due to a Logistics System Breakdown the Chinese sent Argentina the following:- 1 Xian Y - 20, 2 Shaanxi Y - 8/9, 4/6 Xi'an JH 7, 6 Xhengdu J - 20, 8 Sukhoi Su - 35 and 4 Type 22 missile boats. Even up the odds I say chaps. Tally - ho.

[@MegaRadarlove]

OHHH -- Why not add the Liaoning aircraft carrier ( or equivelent ) - More FUN.

[@robertnemeth6248]

The UK fleet would have at least 4 Type 23 frigates armed with Sea Ceptor. Plus AEW helicopters. In reality the Meteor is better then the AMAAM and the F35s would also have medium range ASRAAM. SM2 is not as good as ASTER 30. Plus The T45 is in line for an upgrade to give it 48 ASTER 30 block 1 and 24 sea Ceptor. In short your sim is showing a weaker British side then there would be. Tactically the T45s would not de put in San Carlos Water - they would be put out to sea. The Type 23 frigates would be more than capable of looking aft the landing...

[@Pax.Britannica]

The UK did have AEW, it was a Nimrod based out of the Chilean Island San Felix. We also had access to Chilean Early Warning Radar stations. 👌

[@jyralnadreth4442]

The Argentine Navy at this point has practically no working SAM's or Anti Ship Missiles (Aspides and Exocets are all antiques and past their use by dates) however the RN doesn't have any Anti Ship missiles either (Sea Skua /Sea Venom are very very lightweight) and in a CQC gun fight the Argentines do have a big edge in gunnery with a faster firing Oto Melara (Now Leonardo) 5 inch gun and 4x2 Bofors L70 CIWS guns. Within 3km using the islands as cover (Submarines cannot operate close to the Falklands as it isn't deep enough, the Almirante Brown Class would rinse a Type 45 and could defend itself from Air Attack albeit at short range The Falklands War Radars were the Antique Type 965 (Most common and least capable) the Type 967/968 on the 2x Type 22 Frigs and HMS Andromeda (Leander Class), the Carrier invincible and HMS Exeter with the new Type 1022 Radar

[@thefilthycasual448]

Well maybe not. We still use harpoon ASMs. And there are other ASMs too. Not to mention Frigates and F35 could mount ASMs. Add at least 1 astute class submarine in: and the Argentine surface Fleet wouldn't stand a chance. Even IF the type 45 would lose against the cruiser. The cruisers sensors wouldn't even have the range to find it 😂

[@danielearley5062]

@@thefilthycasual448 Don't forget the Tomahawks that the Astute and Trafalgar class submarines have.

[@thefilthycasual448]

@@danielearley5062 exactly bro.

[@marcbuckingham1054]

Another brilliant GR production.

[@0ldb1ll]

It appears that people have forgotten why the Falklands War was fought. There was a right wing military junta in charge of Argentina at the time, which indulged in torturing and murdering any opposition. (There are still protesting women who are seeking the bodies of their relatives.) Had the British government ignored the invasion, there were plans to ship all the islanders to prison in Argentina or dump them in the Atlantic from a helicopter.

[@billpugh58]

Beware the right wing!

[@Bartoi]

my mate worked on the 45's on the clyde, he said that the radar was picking up air trafic in moscow and from the falklands argentina's airforce in argentina

[@tflwulf69]

My mate was in the Army and was stationed in the Falkland's for a while. According to him the Argentinian Navy is scared to death of our subs which we always have one in the area (allegedly) due to what happened to the Belgrano. They couldn't find the sub back then and know they have even less chance of finding it now. Also there were 3 subs in the task force but we only know of one due to the Belgrano. EDIT: There were 6 subs, one ran aground, one got hit by sheer luck by bombs jettisoned by Argentinian planes after an aborted bombing run.

[@SmartSilver]

It was my 20th birthday on 19th May 1982 and as much as my mates did to help me celebrate I would rather have been at home. I have never been so scared in my life and hope I never will be again. Let’s all just learn to live in peace.

[@1207rorupar]

Well, I've read a lot about the topic of modern Argentinian armed forces, and most analysts day that currently Argentina has even less capability to invade and hold the islands than during the real Falklands' War

[@martinguevara3423]

What do you expect about a nation giving his budget to a lazy persons?

[@1207rorupar]

@@martinguevara3423 tbh, most Latin American countries in general do exactly that. Take Mexico as an example, our Air Fleet is falling into disrepair and our aged F5Es are barely flying and not considered to be available for actual military operations (just for air shows) and there are no real plans on place to replace them... Years ago we stupidly rejected an excellent deal by Russia not to only buy but also to have a factory to produce Yak-130s

[@martinguevara3423]

@@1207rorupar Sos mexicano! ÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑ

[@1207rorupar]

@@martinguevara3423 jajajaja sí, y tú argentino? :D

[@Taluvin]

Loved this, Grump we are gonna make you repaint that :)

[@jamess2873]

I'm glad that you skipped 'how' they invaded the islands, given that they have no functional navy, no landing craft, no amphibious/support/landing ships and the UK defences are easily adequate to defend the islands against whatever terrible hodgepodge of civilian ships they would have to press into service to do this invasion. Also ignoring the flight of Eurofighters that would have opposed the initial invasion, with fuel, AWACS and support required to defend them against Argentine forces at max range and with no support. its....... yeah its good that you skipped that phase.

[@firestarteronyoutube5542]

Would say don't forget there's also 1435 Flt on Falklands, currently using Typhoons

[@Floki255]

Nice video, as usual. The new QE2 carriers have to be some of the most ugly ships. But seems to make sense as far as redundancy goes.

[@lukemcgahern2357]

Why do you think they are ugly? I think the twin islands design looks cool and futuristic.

[@jacko4932]

Just for you to note, the Argentinian naval aviation technically has 5 super etendards but they are not operational due to lack of spare parts.

[@Nr15121]

Then they’re a non factor

[@adamlairsey6700]

Haven't even started watching the fight yet and its awesome. No AWACS and no idea what's coming in the form of tactics! Still the F-15 upgrade radar should be quite nice! Im excited, here we go!👍.........I have got to get a good computer and a HOTAS so I can play, im dying watching. I have surgery next week, and about 6-8 weeks to heal then Im going to save every dime possible to get to DCS! Im looking at 5-6 months or more, but its something to look forward to and hopefully be able to fly with you guys one day! 😁😁

[@michaeldowd8422]

That was great to watch thanks.

[@geoffelks204]

A 5 minute visit from HMS Albion would be all that was needed.

[@Ccberry98]

Great work

[@trev8591]

Hell of a furball up there! Bodes well for the future of my beloved RN (being a scabby old Matelot - missed the Falklands, joined in 1983).

[@erikerice9068]

Nice to see the container ships again.

[@DemiGod..]

Joined the paras shortly after the war, because of it. The troops would be lost with no air cover as last I looked, they had decommisioned their aircraft carriers, the last one had been converted to a helicopter carrier a while back.

[@righteousindignation]

Great vid, but you forgot about the flight of typhoons and the infantry company and air defence artillery battery stationed permanently on the Falklands

[@Pablo668]

I don't know if it is modeled on this map, or if it is, whether you launched from there, but there is a substantial RAF airbase 33miles sw of Stanley, called Mt Pleasant. If the RAF has a few good aircraft stationed there then if makes it even more difficult for the Argentinians. They probably don't even get to invade again because of that. I still want to see the Falklands retaken by a US Navy CBG, with a Marine landing force. Just to see how it would play out.

[@StarTrekFan24]

I love this! I love your videos with the British Army, Navy and Airforce in war thing pls do more!