Fast Fighter Jet Drag Race: F-4E Phantom vs The World! | DCS

With the F-4E arriving in DCS, what's the first thing we need to do? A giant drag race of course!
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8:30 0 to 20,000ft Time To Climb Race
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[@ETRTriad]

We don't need war, we need military based Olympics!!!

[@sandpiper9288]

There was a Star Trek episode about a planet that really existed kind of like that. They were at constant war but it was all a simulation.

[@andreabindolini7452]

@@sandpiper9288 It was a Star Trek episode.

[@sandpiper9288]

@@andreabindolini7452 ehh yeah trek

[@VineGrove123]

@@sandpiper9288Except they would allow themselves to be disintegrated in a machine.

[@mytimetunnel]

Not a legit drag race without the f104 starfighters :)

[@cap.meruwkateklimana8321]

Something missing in ac7 multiplayer: drag race and racing mode

[@bobwaldren462]

Or the bac lightning, that's what it was built for, and 1 in particular overtook concorde in a top speed tail chase not long after it outzoomed the Lockheed blackbird

[@scottl.1568]

Very true

[@AdmiralQuality]

I want one so bad. I know they're next to useless but that's half of why I want one. LOL!

[@jimmyjohnjames6397]

​@@bobwaldren462Not hard to out climb and out accelerate a Blackbird. The thing accelerated like a cow.

[@clangerbasher]

Nice that F4 allowed lesser airyplanes to win.

[@saintuk70]

Needed the Typhoon in there too..... and nice to have a Quick Climb Friday after the sprint.

[@ivorharden]

Yeah more RAF aircraft

[@danhodson7187]

Yeah one of its main purposes is as an interceptor so it should do well here. With how quickly it can go vertical from start I think it might even win that one. kzbin.info94hFOuy9paQ?si=SVJ-NjzCkvNUOSu3

[@cassius_eu5970]

Yeah more Luftwaffe aircraft

[@Torashin1]

Imagine a WW2 pilot seeing this. What modern planes can do now would blow their mind!

[@HyperactiveMelon]

They'd REALLY hope the plane they're seeing is on their side.

[@frisk151]

I think air combat today would depressed all of them.. Air to Air + man to man aerial combat is truly a lost art.. You wanna talk about PURE combat flying.. P-51 Mustang against German and Jap's best.. AND, if lucky.. P-38 Lightning.. We likely won't have pilots in planes beyond the current generation.. Humans are just too slow and fragile.. The airframes are wickedly better than what we can handle within them..

[@avigares]

You can see the reaction of usaf pilots when he sees the german jet for the first time 😂 “what the fuck was that?!?!? “

[@magnashield8604]

When I was a kid my dad brought home a 386 PC and a color monitor. I thought I was in computer game heaven with 256 colors and a brand new game called Falcon and then Falcon AT. The artwork on the box didn't look as good as the graphics on this game. A person from the 1940's would be shocked not only by the real thing but just this sim would shock the crap out of them. (It would have shocked a kid in the 80's)

[@douglasdixon524]

My father was a United States Army Air Corps pilot during WWII. He flew commercial airliners until 1978, he lived until 1996. Believe me, plenty of WWII veterans saw alot of or even flew modern jet aircraft. You had the SR-71 come out in the 1960s, more stealthy aircraft in the 1980s etc....

[@DrenoshGaming]

Would be funny to see a highest vertical push before stall in one of these, rules would be get up, wheels up, straight push to vertical, last to stall / highest altitude wins XD.

[@HowlingPhantom]

Eagle wins

[@DrenoshGaming]

@@HowlingPhantom it should, but be interesting to see how the rest fair.

[@HowlingPhantom]

@@DrenoshGaming that’s true

[@danielsnook5029]

Yeah, and I'd like to see how long they can go on full AB before running out of fuel (internal only).

[@imadude85]

​@@HowlingPhantom I thought SU35BM has higher TWR than F15? Its at 1.30, while F15 is 1.26. Still higher than F22s 1.25.

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

In real life I am skeptical of the F-16 beating the F-15 in a drag race.

[@Markbell73]

I don't know. The F-15C has a .02 advantage in thrust/weight ratio. But is also slight umder 10,000 pounds heavier (empty weight). The Eagle is supremely faster at top speed. Mach 2.5 verses mach 1.7 for the Falcon However at acceleration from 0. I wouldn't be surprised if the Falvon beats the Eagle more times than not down in the dense air. The key would be tje specific drag coefficient of each airframe, and the actual length of the race, say 10 milles at 500 feet max altitude. Than how the variables of the local weather favor one frame over the other that day. It's never as simple as the numbers. And I can't find drag coefficient in a quick Google search.

[@lucaswoods1155]

@@Markbell73the Falcon can actually do slightly over Mach 2.

[@Markbell73]

@@lucaswoods1155 well, not according to the information I read in my search. Regardless, The Eagle is faster. But from a standing start. I'd say the Falcon has a really good chance of winning the drag race.

[@lucaswoods1155]

@@Markbell73there are actual F-16 pilots who have said they have gone that fast but obviously under specific conditions like no outer pylons low fuel and I believe up at altitude.

[@Markbell73]

@@lucaswoods1155 why are you debating me? I stated earlier that the information I stated was what I found in my search. I conveyed what I found. I made no absolution about what a Falcon can or can't do. The only thing I know with any certainty is that the Eagle is faster. To the tune lf mach 2.5. And that's public info. It could go faster perhaps.

[@eatthisvr6]

taking off with the wings back causes MORE drag not less, because you need alot more alpha for the same lift, thats why it has a cadc

[@kaesees]

Yep, and you want full flaps too - just be careful not to overspeed them, or the gear!

[@eatthisvr6]

@@kaesees you do t need flaps when doing this. You're through that speed range so quickly you're just asking to jam them

[@Penguinracer]

For a low level drag race like this i'd include the Tornado GR4 or F3 & for acceleration the EE Lightning F.6 in addition to the F104 Starfighter.

[@josephhaack5711]

But the F-4 was in a great shooting position!!!

[@durangodoug45]

Gotta say I’m loving the Phantom.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Same here. I was really hard on Heatblur/Eagle Dynamics for all the delays and whatnot...but once I got it, I am VERY impressed. Not only the myriad of loadouts available, but the little attention to details like being able to click on a control and it takes you straight to the manual to explain what it is...that is just amazing. I can't wait to learn all there is about it. Some of the historical scenarios possible with the maps available are endless. Now we need that Vietnam map...

[@AdmiralQuality]

Pretty good for initial launch. I just wish they hadn't spent so much effort on goofy features no one will ever use.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

I've only had a couple hours in it, but a lot of A-4 knowledge transfers over. Can't wait to spend a whole weekend in this thing!

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@Majima_Nowhere It's what I am doing right now! I took a break to watch a tutorial on air combat. Headed right back in shortly. See you in the air!

[@RedBeardTheFirst]

OMG a VFA-22 Fighting Redcocks Legacy Hornet, whoever picked that skin i thank you good sir. The first squadron i remember my dad being in and my favorite squadron. YCBAR, You Can't Beat A Redcock

[@theswiller85]

I can beat a white one pretty good, if you know what i mean

[@CVSiN]

Sure you can... VFA-105 TRIPLE CONSECUTIVE BATTLE E winners.. Gunslingers for life. best squadron in the Navy as far as I know our triple battle E has not been achieved again.

[@RAFASOP]

Needs a BAE Lighting.

[@SilkyBadger]

I'll see your Lightning and raise you a TSR2 (In my dreams)

[@phuzz00]

@@SilkyBadger If we're allowed prototypes, I'll take the SR.53. Jet AND rocket engines ;)

[@EEEEEEE354]

It will lose horribly

[@ThePaulv12]

EE *uck the BAE part of it LOL/

[@ThePaulv12]

@@EEEEEEE354 @50k FPM maybe not.

[@chrisknepper5153]

The Harrier: Now let’s do it starting in the bush.

[@ricbarker4829]

Longest hover....

[@WaterComputer]

I’d be interested to see how all these fighters hold up on a longer corse.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

The main take-home from this is how desperately DCS needs the English Electric Lightning . . .

[@rvh1702]

Ugh, bri'ish ugly crap. As all bri'ish planes, vehicles and people are

[@ad70preterist]

I was a Center Controller working F16 out of Toledo airport with 10 miles of crossing traffic at FL190, asked him to be at or above FL 200 in two minutes or less. He went vertical with almost no forward track and reported out in less then a minute. It was pretty awesome

[@bradhazard4118]

How long ago? I work at Tronair behind the airport and get to see that stuff occasionally.

[@stevetodd7383]

It would be interesting to compare against the old English Electric Lightning, an aircraft designed for the sole purpose of intercepting high altitude Russian bombers. It could climb out at 20,000 ft/min and hit 88,000 ft altitude. It was proven to be able to intercept the U2.

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

Was wondering how long I had to wait for this, Phantom v Hornet was a big question I had

[@chrmez]

You conveniently left out the A-10? Don't dare to dethrone the F-16?

[@zcole774]

The A-10 is NOT a fighter aircraft. Not only that, compared to these, it's Slooooow af lol.

[@RayBecker]

Pretty cool. Of course I've seen real flight ops on my carrier Independence CV-62. I was an OS (Operations Specialist) Radar Tracking, Navigation working with the Air Controllers in CIC. I was there in the mid 1980's. We had the A-7, A-6, F-14, we had a few Vigilantes, Cod, S-3 and E2C and I think on a later deployment, we had the first Hornets. My favorite was the Intruder

[@adamtruong1759]

With the F-15C's thrust to weight ratio, it's no surprise it did so well.

[@jonah2047]

Does it pretty much stack up by thrust to weight?

[@adamtruong1759]

@@jonah2047 I mean, it's natural that I'm going to bet on the aircraft that was famous for shooting down a satellite in space... in a drag race to space.

[@JimBiddle.]

At least the good old Harrier, beat the parachutists!

[@geoffharper8650]

You should add the English Electric Lightning . Some of the pilots that flew it called it the frightning .

[@FencerPTS]

It'd be cool to see "what could have been," the PW1120 powered F-4E proposed in the 80's by the IAI. While not at the ridiculous 1:1.24, a respectable 1:1.04 TWR with supercruise would make for a fun drag race.

[@F22raptor46]

You forgot the JF-17, you could have replaced one of the Flankers with that

[@paulsparta5156]

True story: In 1983 I participated in an impromptu "drag race" with two Air National Guard F-4's taking off in formation. We were on a parallel runway in central Florida (can't remember base name) in a Navy P-3C Orion (VP-30). Pilots and ATC coordinated, we went at exactly same time. The P-3 leapt off the line with instant power from the turbo-props. We were midway down the runway 100 ft. off the deck already with gear up, and were still ahead of the F-4's. Within about 300 ft., they had passed us on the ground still not having rotated yet. By the end of the runway, they were already climbing at about 30 degrees, maybe 2000 ft. altitude and 8000 ft. ahead of us, and had already gone back to full military. We were all laughing on the P-3 and were quite proud our ourselves that we were winning for a very short while. Made for a funny story when we got back to NAS Jax.

[@rmp5s]

And think about it...the Phantom held speed records for YEARS...

[@twotone3471]

It IS a game. The Phantom 2 is still quite fast compared to 5th gen fighters going all out.

[@lenn55]

It's strange because everyone IRL complains how weak the Hornet is in acceleration.

[@wilecoyote3447]

My Thoughts exactly, I think The Flight Model is seriously broken even Gonky said as much

[@Mobius118]

I always look forward to the GR drag races, and this one is no exception

[@zogzoogler]

That Phantom needs to be dumping a big black cloud of smoke to be legit.

[@ndenise3460]

Though the F-4M/I spey powered phantom had a lower top speed of had a much better acceleration. I'd like to see that dared

[@zykilo674]

everyone sleeps on the hornet

[@wilson2455]

still love the F/A-18. Beautiful multi-role aircraft..

[@paulh5027]

J79-GE-17 turbojet engines with 11,870 lb s.t. (17,900 lb s.t. w/ab)

[@m1t2a1]

Do the climb to 98 000 feet. That's Operation Top Flight. Dec. 6 1959 in an F-4.

[@TheFoxYTB]

For me this feels like a historic and nostalgic ceremony on your channel... I love your guys work, keep it up❤💙💛 Greetings from Germany

[@jinenjuce]

Good effort, Harrier. You tried.

[@wilson2455]

still love the F/A-18. Magnificent, reliable multi-role aircraft..

[@broadstbulliesii]

anytime baby

[@Rover200Power]

Best tanker in The Navy.

[@m1t2a1]

The F-4 holds a lot of records. Including the top supplier of damaged MiG parts.

[@tombeers3489]

Excellent.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

Just remember that MiG-21 is the top supplier of damaged f-4 parts

[@markcorrigan3930]

💤💤💤💤😴😴😴

[@ronaldkonkoma4356]

Distributor It's a little catchier to think of them scattering to the ground

[@rollsagressor]

to see you with TuAF Camo is awesome

[@unalnamdar7076]

TurAF *

[@ItsThatRickAgain]

Have you folks tried flying line abreast at 0.9M and then starting the race? My coworker flew with VX-9 for a while and that's how they did their drag races. I wonder if that would change your results.

[@JohnDoesItAll]

What a trip! I new that this was CGI but I'm a sucker for the F4 Phantom. I was not disappointed! Looks fun!

[@invader2727]

That "cápeti" livery on the mig-21

[@stormykeep9213]

Gotta say, that's actually pretty cool and interesting...nice vid!

[@whistlingbadger]

Harrier: Man, this is taking forever! A-10: Hold my beer.

[@2ZZGE100]

The modeling is highly incorrect. F-14 in reality, would have been in the top 3 in the real world. Certainly much faster than the F-18 in real life. So many accounts of F-14 out-accelerating the F-18 on the deck. F-18 had troubles breaking the sound barrier at 50 feet above the sea level due to dense air while F-14 used to easily hit Mach 1.3. Real life situations consistently showed F-14 used to out-accelerate the F-18 even when F-14 had a full payload while the F-18 escort had centerline tank only. F-14 was 4 to 5 miles ahead by the time they used to reach the strike point. The F-18 escort used to be trailing the F-14 with bombs by 4 to 5 miles.

[@peanuts2105]

Missing the English Electric Lightning ⚡️. One of the fastest hot rods ever built

[@lriddle21]

The F-14 has one of the best thrust to weight ratio's and is one of the fastest fighter's ever made. It a makes no sense it was struggling to get past 700 knots.

[@ronaldkonkoma4356]

It took off at 68° which was strange Ground roll is friction Needs more speed to lift off and gear is drag once in the air after a longer take off roll Didn't show fuel state, so I'm not sure if they were all at bingo, but also with those big planes, the faster they go-the faster they want to go. Put them over 20,000 starting at 200 Kts. And you'll probably have a whole different array

[@spartan_pilot]

That was really fun to watch haha, nice! Excessive sonic booms xD

[@SuperAd1980]

That... Was FUN...

[@THECOFFEEPOT]

Would love to see a British Electric Lightning in this race.

[@goingtoscotland]

Watching these guys fly so uncoordinatedly makes me feel good about my flying

[@sonar357]

I heard somewhere that they don't know IRL the actual top speed of the F4 because it would actually run out of fuel on full afterburner before it stops accelerating. Correct me if I had been told some BS

[@Bawbag68]

F4 - my fave aircraft ❤

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

The F4E didn't have enough smoke.... when in afterburner... because the F4B/C/D were definitely smokies when in full AB.

[@ronaldkonkoma4356]

I'll have to check that out because an old training video had instructors telling them to engage burner when sneaking Then berating them because nobody listened and the instructors could find them from the smoke.

[@richardbullwood5941]

We also need the English electric lightning in this race

[@allovett6246]

Seeing the different aircraft in the air at the same time reminds me of the 80s Japanese OVA Area 88

[@ParkysPlace]

More of that please, more of that. Love the tarmac roar. Fawesome.

[@marcosavila8215]

I find very offensive not using the A-10C. 🤣🤣

[@K3rbalSpace]

I wonder what this'd be like with a BAC Lightning in :)

[@alexvolute7454]

The lightning was very fast for its time, but really any more modern fighter would mop the floor with it

[@GrahamMilkdrop]

When it came along, the F4 took both the time to climb and max speed records from the Lightning.

[@thebrain7441]

I love how the Jf-17 doesn’t even show up.

[@Slikx666]

Now I wondering what would be the fastest around the Top Gear track? Can't leave the airfield and must go over the circuit. 🤔👍

[@ehta2413]

That starting pan-out makes them looks hilariously slow. Like every fighter yet takes 3 minutes to get barely moving after putting burners on the ground :D

[@rickb3645]

Although it's very unlikely to ever happen... I would love to see here... The hot chipped ("Big Mother") English Electric Lightning... And have it line up alongside these other aircraft... Just to see how it compares with some of the more modern day fighter jets competing. 👍

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

Not sure how accurate, but well done. TY

[@KI5IJB]

Now we need to see this F-4E with raptor engines!

[@miked2543]

So glad i found this.

[@Lord-Snowflake]

That need a redo. Put the carriers farther out. 75% of the jets havn't come close to getting up to speed

[@triggerhippy2826]

not legit without the BAE Lightning and the Eurofighter Typhoon. Also wish the TSR-2 was available (and other grumbling noises)

[@deekamikaze]

As a Viggen main. The guy who did the climb profile is big disappointment. For any future video you want to get to .85 and then use autopilot trim to pitch up to 40 degrees to get to 20k but if you want to go higher you pitch 30 degrees and then lower to 20 when you get down to 600kph and you'll just go to space

[@benokanruzgar8863]

👻 Phantom phor life 🤘

[@MBrown201175]

The f15-16s should be able to AB straight up to altitude. I've seen them do it in real life at PDX.

[@gordonendicott5114]

Pang base

[@artybojangles4153]

Awsome Cappy!!! 💪 🚀

[@RSpracticalshooting]

what's kinda crazy is how variable the sizes are for theses jets. Some are massive and some seem downright tiny.

[@zippers4ever172]

Learn how to properly take off in the F-4 and unload the airframe to accelerate.

[@lukeskywalkeruk]

No English Electric Lightning? That would smash the lot!

[@208SledHead]

That poor Harrier....I could push a wheel barrow faster than that thing hahaha. Wildly entertaining video gents!!

[@boswellwhanau]

Nice touch with the sonic booms for everything BUT the harrier 😂😂🙂

[@bartbroekhuizen5617]

I think you missed the JF17 if i'm not mistaken. But nice comparison. Still i thought the F4-E would perform better, it just looks it would go faster. Actually a surprise it only beats the F-5E and F1.

[@kozak1789]

Hi Cap, probably somebody else beat me to the punch or you were planning on doing it anyway, but could you do a 300-600 acceleration test and a max sustained turn speed for the F-4E as well as the Mirage F1? Thank you in advance and love your work!

[@grimreapers]

OK

[@SklllsS]

Waiting for the Eurofighter and we dont talk longer about the F16 :) Time for climbing vertical in the Eurofighter to 20.000 feet "YES!" :D

[@jeremypilbrow6641]

Like to see an English Electric Lightning do the climb!

[@Lorendrawn]

It's lights out and away we go! Wait..

[@SolNacht]

That looked fun, now run it again but activate the phalanx on the carriers!

[@robertmansfield7656]

Where is the god dam EE lightning already.

[@dosdont]

It would be something to see for real

[@HaZe_Da_PiTBuLL]

2:27 that Hornet is off 😂😂😂😂

[@dulljake]

They didn't model the Phantom well. She's probably right up in the top 6 here...

[@Name-ps9fx]

That initial _painfully slow_ crossing of the Start line caused a giggle from me! 😅

[@Gunslinger218]

Very cool !!!

[@Colt44444]

This is what the viewers want

[@Pootj78]

Hungarian livery on the MiG-21Bisz :-) Nice! (It's a famous livery, it was part of a demo team at the beginning of the '90s, it's nickname was "Cápeti", a popular cartoon character)

[@terencyowens9491]

This... but with bombers.

[@jamesnz1636]

that was great

[@Turboy65]

In the real world an F-16C can do an unrestricted vertical climb to 15,000 feet in about 20 seconds and can make 20,000 in a few more seconds. It'd be fun to redo the time to climb challenge, flying ONLY those models that have a thrust to weight ratio of 1.0 or greater, flying pure vertical climb profiles.

[@donnjb83]

Kind of a race to see who could get off the ground first, passing a start line while already gear up could be more telling imo

[@eatthisvr6]

why doees the f14 have his wings swept? thats a bad idea for this

[@flinfaraday1821]

because it's a bunch of gamers drag racing jets on a computer game

[@ronaldkonkoma4356]

Probably had the speed brake up just to make it fair

[@rnash999]

What I get from these results is that JATO assist is still needed. Maybe a sled would work fine.

[@dennisgibb7958]

Alright, I know it is not real, but, you have it all wrong. BOTH the F-15 AND the F-4 were both capable of flying right at the edge of the mach3 in full stripped down versions. Which means, under full burn BOTH the 15 and 4 would beat all to the finish line…….. Lighter does not mean faster in the air.

[@slickstrings]

High altitude drag should be done. Say, must maintain 40k feet, start at 200 knots, max acceleration. End of the race either pass a distance or time. Jets like the tomcat, f15 and phantom are much better suited to high altitude