How Dangerous Are/Were US Guided Missile Submarines To Russian Surface Fleets? | Sea Power

[@grimreapers]

Hey guys! I just read through your comments at time of posting this comment. Your feedback overall seems to be to keep doing unscripted battles. The frustration from you guys seems to be from where we are making clerical errors, using units wrong etc. Due to real life stuff and GR commitments at the moment there isn't really any spare time to practice, so we'll just have to blast on as we are, slowly learning from errors.

[@uberfatamerican]

Why you hating bro imo his videos great because they're unscripted

[@tyson31415]

It seems some people want you to be making a movie, where as you are actually showing experiments in real time. Experiments are far more interesting.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Your vids are awesome....I enjoy watching unpractised battles as that's truer to real life combat...the Royal Navy made mistakes in 1982 that cost lives, USS Stark leaving their CIWS offline and quite a few ships crashing into freighters in the past 10 years. This is a cool bit of fun at the end of the day o7

[@jerrmorgan4254]

@grimreapers The error you all make are what makes your videos fun. I thought it was fun how you completely felled to notice that 2 ships had been sunk.

[@TheArcticSaint4747]

I think putting “Unscripted” in the title of those particular might allege some of the issue. Bottom line up front, so to speak.

[@Fakename-ub8pw]

Hi Cap! In the video you mentioned that no matter what orders you gave, the Sturgeon just wouldn't fire a salvo of 8, and you thought it was a bug. But actually that is not the case. The reason why the Sturgeon can only fire 4 at once is that it only has 4 torpedo tubes, and the torpedo tubes take time to be reloaded. You have to wait for the crew to reload the tubes, which takes longer than 10 minutes to fire the next salvo.

[@jamison884]

This is true for the attack subs, as they fire the Harpoons via the torpedo tubes. However, for cruise missile (SSGN) and ballistic missile (SSBN) submarines, the missiles should fire from the VLS cells and not be tied to the torpedo tube timer. Cap didn't show the part of the mission where he clicked on the weapons and then the target, but if you look at the actual Harpoon launches (at 7:18), they're coming from the VLS rather than the torpedo tubes.

[@benjdm]

@@jamison884 I don't believe Sturgeon class ever got vertical launch systems.

[@jamison884]

@@benjdm Whoops! You're correct; it was an illusion/mistake on my part. At first glance, I was just replying based on watching the video and not looking at the model of sub, etc. I just re-watched at 7:18 and to me it looked like the Harpoon was being fired from a VLS cell behind the sail. I looked closer, and it was just the angle of the camera at that moment, as the Harpoon is being launched from one of the tubes on the right. Thanks!

[@danw9520]

Maybe the bug is that it gives you the option to select salvo 8. Perhaps that should not occur when only salvo 4 is possible.

[@jamison884]

@@horusfalcon You're missing my reply, where I state I made a mistake per the angle of the video appearing as if it were a VLS behind the sail, but then I saw it came from the right torpedo tube.

[@ravenwolf1914]

Fuck the haters. I love the long videos that show the true challenges. It’s very immersive. Keep up the good work Cap.

[@steveman1982]

There are haters?!

[@robertlewis8295]

If you do a pre game run-thru have whoever is creating the scenario create a scenario that will feature the major elements so the player team can practice how things work.

[@apollo_]

Couldn't agree more. GR has never been a "gaming" channel. It's a military simulation channel. The military gets to practice, sure, but when has any real life mission gone according to plan?

[@benvandermerwe4934]

👏🏻⚡🥃

[@NemoGraynameA8]

I think the issue is that Sea Power is innately slower than DCS and the TikTok generation doesn't like slow lol.

[@LegitimateCK4120]

It's frustrating seeing people complain that you are learning the game. I loved the video you referenced and I think those people have to understand that what makes something fun is not seeing a clearly scripted video. Please keep making that exact type of content, and maybe say a disclaimer at the start that you won't script videos purely to keep them mistake free. Your videos make you appreciate just how hard it would be to be an admiral!

[@Doodelz02]

Exactly so! Well said.

[@grimreapers]

Will do thanks!

[@5Andysalive]

but i'm sure these people knew how to do everything perfectly right from the start.

[@just_another_guy_on_the_net]

I’ve been watching GR vids for years now and have heard Cap say 100’s of times that he does not script his videos for the views. He has made effort to make it clear his content is organic and if some people can’t handle that then there are other channels…

[@JimCollett-p4e]

As a late 80’s Sturgeon sailor, SSN 637, 1985-89. I really like watching these videos. I do see many inaccuracies regarding submarine tactics, capabilities and weapons and I am ok with that. You mentioned you have someone in your group that deals with ASW ops and said he can’t speak of some of the tactics used, he is correct about that and I thank him for the OPSEC. THE same goes for us sub sailors. Many things we just don’t speak of when it comes to tactics and capabilities, even from back then as some may still be used today, possibly compromising our men and women at sea.

[@GregKrsak]

Can we agree that exercise Mk 48's suck balls?

[@JimCollett-p4e]

@ I don’t recall any issues with our 48’s. When we left the yard we shot water slugs and shapes from the pier, went out for sea trials and went to the weapons test area to shoot live weapons at towed targets. We had the MK48 Adcap but I don’t remember what mod it was. I don’t remember any problems.But, I was an A-Ganger not a Torpedomen. Didn’t have much to do with the weapons systems once I got my fish.

[@Bawbag68]

I think doing seapower might have attracted a new audience, unfamilar with the mil-sim professional, perfect missions that GR always run. You have to remember that because no-one in GR ever crashes on take-off or landing, never friendly fires, never opens their cockpit, never breaks their landing gear, never collides in formation, never jettisons weapons instead of bags, never provides laugh out loud entertainment, the viewingtons expect the same in SeaPower.

[@EvilHomer101]

Sea power doesn't have an audience that wants fast paced action. Lmao wut. Maybe casual viewers who won't ever play.

[@xYxColeTrainxYx]

calling GR mil-sim professionals... LOL, that's a bit of a stretch

[@Simulcrom]

@@xYxColeTrainxYx They were being sarcastic.

[@MrCrystalcranium]

The long battles and “mistakes” replicate the fog of war. In a real battle, miscommunication, friendly fire, idiotic behavior and tactics are the norm. I love all of the battle formats you create from the ridiculous to the highly accurate. This isn’t a battle simulation reproduction. It’s a game. Don’t let the haters get you down Cap!

[@scottmyers6441]

I served on a Sturgeon, she was a 4 banger. So you should expect a decent reload period after the first 4. It took about 20 minutes per tube. The game doesn't take into account moving the weapons around the room or that you have a reload teams on the port and starboard sides of the torpedo room. Hope that helps.😁

[@Doodelz02]

Very cool. Thanks for commenting!

[@joostvanwijk3842]

Isn't that still classified?

[@scottmyers6441]

@@joostvanwijk3842 Not that stuff, that's about the level of info I could give during a public tour.

[@joostvanwijk3842]

@@scottmyers6441 Alright!

[@christopherchartier3017]

At the end of the day, nobody’s going to play the game like a robot. That’s not truly interesting either. Honestly, seeing the mistakes being made makes it more interesting since it highlights the pros and cons to certain strategies for dealing with any situation. Nice video cap!

[@grimreapers]

Thx

[@christopherrobinson9019]

Ok, as a former ASW Sonar technician from the 90s, I can make a few comments. A carrier battle group will ALWAYS have ASW assets airborne, surface and subsurface. There were destroyers and frigates, with towed array 'passive sonar, trailing about a mile behind the surface ship at various depths - sonar, range - classified. VERY, accurate. The Submarines had the sub surface variant of a towed array - range - far far further, and even more accurate, ( able to fire without an active ping ). The battlegroup carrier had airborne ASW assets with sonobouys and dipping sonar, each destroyer and frigate had Helos, 1 or 2 on a frigate and 2 on a destoyer as well as the carrier. The Oscars from the Soviets, were a serious threat and were taken very seriously. IF this were a situation of a hot war, there would have been P3 orions with sonar, magnetic, and other sensors, with weapons. SSGNs were a soviet thing, US fleets, had Fast attack subs with VLS with cruise missiles, and through the torpedo tubes. THE nightmare for a battlegroup - an SSGN or even a SSN laying in wait, the fleet moving over it, and the sub popping up INTO the center of the battlegroup...detected or not, that one sub can kill the entirety of the battlegroup, by being under the carrier. and then kill the carrier last. Yes, Oscars were a threat.

[@jrizos06]

I love the longer battles with mistakes, work, and all.. The fast-forward button is available for those that dont want to see the setup

[@Thewayofgrass35]

Oh wow, i have the exact same discord profile as you lol

[@douglascampbell9809]

Funny thing is the US converted 4 of it's Ohio Class SSBNs into SSGNs in the early 2000's. (2002 to 2007) Each one can carry up to 154 Tomahawk missiles. I assume these could be the anti ship variant if the occasion needed it.

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

The TASM was retired by that point IIRC. They were converted into TLAMs too so its not like there was a stockpile to dust off if needed. I remember hearing some recent talk of bringing TASMs back though.

[@Doodelz02]

154 Tomahawks? Thought that was a typo until Google confirmed! That's a ... LOT! Note to self: "Don't tick off anything carrying 154 Tomahawks". Now I need a bumper sticker 😛

[@bengrogan9710]

​@majorborngusfluunduch8694 the fact they where converted 1 way means that the current ones could easily be refitted in the USN decided there was a need.

[@paulwollenzein-zn1lh]

Thanks the info. I knew about the conversion. But not much else. The vertical launch tubes are rather spacious, so I'm not surprised about how many missiles it carries. I'll have to go and check them out...

[@bengrogan9710]

@@paulwollenzein-zn1lh Each SSBM Tube was convertable to carry 7 TLAMs per tube

[@jimfrazier8104]

The reason you only get 4 missiles at a time is that back then they were fired from the sub's torpedo tubes. Fire all 4 tubes, spend 20 minutes reloading, fire the next salvo. All the while running the air compressors to recharge the air system.

[@NutkaseVP]

You are only getting 4 missiles because it only has 4 tubes as you can see when you hover over it. Would be curious to know if you salvo 8, does it reload and continues firing.

[@mayhemslim1217]

You beat me to the punch 😊

[@royalpancakes6539]

Yes it does but it takes 30 min in game I believe

[@DirtyHairy1]

then the bug is that it should not be called a 'salvo' 🙃

[@mayhemslim1217]

@DirtyHairy1 True!

[@grimreapers]

Understood, thanks!

[@bobmcguirk7272]

Non scripted battles are the best! Thanks for all your hard work, Cap!!

[@chrisshriner7222]

Keep at it Cap, these are all great, especially the live action missions!

[@onefan1249]

My brother was on an ancient Los Angeles boat in the early 2000’s. Judging by what he could say, and not say, they could get behind and in visual range of anything. More than once they talked about seeing opposing aircraft carriers and the Exec saying, “There’s a Navy Cross waiting to happen.” Opposing subs were just as juiced.

[@iplaygames8090]

11:48, the Kirov has a hangar under its deck and raised its helicopter via an elevator

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@henrymann8122]

Stay the course, Cap. I agree with you on this. Respond/react to the unknowns. Thanks!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@SgtTechCom]

@@grimreapers I implore you to just do a *little* research before calling something a bug. Obviously a submarine with 4 torpedo tubes cannot salvo 8 missiles.

[@shaneluke1608]

The Ohio class actually started as SSBN's. They weren't converted to SSGN's to carry that many TLAM's until the early to mid 2000's. Then only a limited number were converted. The rest remained as SSBN's. They are soon to be replaced by the Columbia class in the next 10 years. The Ohio class SSGN's have had their mission at least partially assumed by the Viriginia class with their Virginia Payload Module.

[@fakecubed]

Yeah, we built a bunch of Ohio class world-enders, then signed a treaty to limit how many we could actually use to end the world. So instead, turned a few of them into mere nation-enders.

[@davidturner7577]

@@fakecubed Yep, though as far as I can remember, the GN Ohios have never sailed with a full load of Tomahawks, with subs coming off a cruise going so far as to swap missiles with deploying subs

[@Doug-c4r]

You're doing great Cap. My favorite was when you closed too fast on a formation that you were supposed to form up with, and shot between the bomber and escorting fighter at Mach 2, with about 5 feet to spare on either side. By the time you yelled "oh crap" it was half a mile behind you! Lol... Way to go super Cap!!!

[@shcurti1]

It's another great morning with Cap and the crew!!

[@electricfenrir0239]

The Sturgeon class (and the LA iirc) only had four Torpedo tubes. As the Harpoons are being fired from the aforementioned tubes, they can only fire 4 at a time, and would have to reload before firing another Salvo, which can (to my limited knowledge) take upwards of 20 minutes.

[@chris-fm6jp]

i've been watching GR for a while and enjoy the style of the campaign and/or scenario setups, new weapons testing with CH, it goes on and on. Again really enjoy their hard work and efforts.

[@Arks1103]

The Benjamin Franklin class is there as a placeholder for the Ohio class SSGN which were refitted from their role as SSBN. Every taskforce has a ship or multiple ships in the rear position which are generally good ASW platforms, they are there for the sole purpose of hunting the subs trying to hunt from the rear, and usually a third of your total ASW capabilities would be deployed at a given time, for example the Kirov carries three helos under the rear deck, if the ships was to sail alone, at a given time, one helo would be scouting for threats, one would be returning or making its way to the designated area, and one helo would be reloading its bouys and torps in the hanger.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks! Understood.

[@apparition13]

The Franklins were SSBNs built in the 60s. There was talk of converting them to carry cruise missiles, 5 to a tube x 16 tubes for 80 overall, but that type of conversion wasn't actually done until the first four Ohios were converted.

[@joshreynolds72]

Cap, Cap, you’ve got to read the descriptions right there on the screen; 21:35, says right there “A hypothetical modification….”. It’s mimicking what the US did with 4 older Ohio class boomers, remove the ballistic missiles and replace with 7 Tomahawks per tube giving a ridiculous magazine depth of 16x7 or 112 warshots in this hypothetical case. The Ohio SSGN converted 22 of its 24 tubes for 154 warshots each.

[@tkopp10976]

Dear Cap, I don't know how KZbin works, i can only say remember how this channel got popular. People watch your long, unscripted, partially goofy DCS videos because they are highly entertaining. People love the banter between you guys, the technical lore you explain, and we love to see you cock up like earlier today when you blew out the engine of your MiG-21. For what it's worth, that question you posted, at least to me, seemed more like a "do you try do debug missions ahead of time", more than asking for the video to be scripted. Which kinda makes sense running a game like Sea Power that's just early access where a lot of stuff can go wrong unintentionally and beyond your control. However, i am really happy watching you guys running Sea Power missions. Please keep doing it at your own leisure as you see fit, mark buggy scenarios for a later attempt after bug fixes, and run missions that are fun for you. If someone doesn't like a particular one, they can skip it. Don't give in to viewer pressure. 400+K people appreciate your and all the GR crew's work. I don't remember which of your DCS clips first appeared on my recommended views, but i did a lot of catching up and i really appreciate your content for it's entertainment and informational value. Looking forward to many years of more clips, and hoping for a Sea Power colab with Wolfpack 345. Wish you all the best.

[@Jack_Over9000]

Yeah I agree with you Cap. The unscripted videos are great, your narration has me on the edge of the seat every time!

[@joshreynolds72]

I like both styles; a scripted demo to show capabilities and cinematic scenes (20 to 30 minutes) AND the full monty unscripted scenarios where you have to figure it out real time.

[@RobertCondonSunnyTurtle]

7:09 there are only 4 tubes to fire from they need to reload

[@chefbink61]

Keep doing things the way you are. There are people out there that you just can never make happy. They will hate no matter what you do.

[@dolley70]

Commenting on your live missions. I'll make this comment from personal experience. During an Operation Order (OpOrder), you receive the threats in the area, POI's, obviously the objective of the mission, etc. ALL of the details you need to succeed. All of that goes out the window when you leave the wire, or someone shoots at you. Controlled chaos at best Just like you guys do at the beginning of your live missions. You show the threats, etc. I think you guys do a great job. DCS or Sea Power never take into account the Human factor when it comes to naval damage control

[@mfreed40k]

Cap, I'm going to keep suggesting you get sponsored and set up a wish list so we can send you computer parts! Also consider livestreams so we can donate

[@grimreapers]

Roger, I'm going to keep considering :)

[@yianniskanellopoulos6719]

I love what you’re doing in the missions. Thanks a lot Cap

[@sgthrawn]

I like long form videos, the more information, drama, et cetera the better. Social Media has caused many brains to be unwilling, or simple unable, to digest information if it's longer than a few minutes. Keep up the good work, the longer videos, and don't let the naysayers win.

[@nolefan87]

Keep doing what you’re doing. Don’t use game breaking mods, don’t script it. Just keep it real. There are plenty of fake channels out there. Yours is real, informative and entertaining. That’s why I watch.

[@ImHollow1k]

Hey Cap! I really enjoy watching the long form / live battles. You and the crew's dedication to keeping videos non-scripted and genuine is commendable. I've been watching for years now and I absolutely love the community you have built and maintained. Keep up the great work and thank you for being open enough to ask always for the viewers opinion. We the viewer, wholeheartedly appreciate you and the crew.

[@Dallas78256]

that chill you get when you look out into the ocean depths is thalassophobia, fear of the deep ocean, the endless abyss you look into at those depths that makes you feel like you can't see anything.

[@michaelsharpe1432]

Thanks!

[@robertcoleman7071]

No scripting. Actually, I would like every scenario to have randomness about it so every game would be different.

[@freakngroovn]

Passive detection and classification of vessels is based more on the sound "fingerprint" and not just how loud it is. Each class of ship/sub has its own fingerprint common to all ships in the class. Each vessel can also have mods/upgrades unique to some vessels in the class that will further ID it. Machinery noises, screw design, rudders, propulsion plants, desalinization plants, rotating equipment, etc, all help ID a contact very accurately.

[@luigi-op6mq]

NTU is gonna be great for showcasing systems and technologies like this, especially if similar mods come out for modernising Soviet/Russian equipment, but I think you're right to stick to the balance of vanilla Sea Power when playing full games and scenarios

[@SgtTechCom]

vanilla sea power is completely unbalanced in favor of the Russians. Nothing the US has can hope to stop SS-N-19 or backfire attacks. And many US ships have the completely wrong missile types. Like Kidd's with SM-1s, lol...the Kidds in USN service had SM-2's from day 1.

[@niyokochan]

Love the longer unscripted battles. Keep making them. I like watching how you guys respond to an unknown threat.

[@speedyham545]

Officially the Los Angeles class maximum depth is 650 feet, but they can obviously go deeper than that, and it's reported in other sources they can dive as deep at 1475 feet, which is also (likely) conservative. They do have vertically and horizontally launched tomahawk missiles. The VLS's were added to later variants of the class. In the Ohio class there were several that were originally meant to be Nuclear Missile carrying boats, but with the end of the Cold War were converted to be able to launch up to 154 Tomahawk's and a complement of Harpoon's that are horizontally launched from the torpedo tubes.

[@SgtTechCom]

In the old Sega Genesis 688 game the 688 had a max dept of 1500 feet. Speed was 8.8kt at 1/3, 16.9 kt at 2/3, 25.3kt at standard, 33kt at full, and 37 kt at flank.

[@dgthe3]

IIRC, the 'official depth' is essentially whatever US subs could dive to in WWII. The USN has not acknowledged any advance in diving capability since the 1940s. They obviously have advanced, but its best to make everyone guess as to how much.

[@jovianr9498]

Cap, one of the best thing about you and the guys' videos is that you are playing the game and learning. Its immersive and fun - please keep the unscripted, raw approach.

[@FunkyMonkey-oj9md]

Not sure if it was mentioned before me, but part of the reason of how you would know what class of ship you are following is by the shape of the screws. When a ship out of the water in dry dock and the screws are exposed, you can do math to know what they sound like. For this reason, when you look at pictures of a sub in dry dock it will have covers over the screws to prevent adversaries from knowing what that sub would sound like and be able to track it easily while its submerged.

[@TheNotoriousENG]

That’s a bit overstated, I think. You could know some periodicity based on the number of blades, and probably make some qualitative assessment of high-skew props vs not, but the real acoustic profiling was done the “easier” way: get in close and record them.

[@positivelysteve]

I'm with you, Cap. I always enjoy when you don't know what's going to happen and you need to adjust on-the-fly. Not only is it more like the chaos of battle, it's more entertaining when we're watching a video game. It's a bummer the times when the game itself flakes out, like what happens on some of the DCS missions, but that's not on you. I've had other KZbinrs chase the algorithm and they ended up just making videos that they and their long-time viewers didn't like. If you're having fun, keep doing it. We're having fun watching.

[@daveives212]

Cap you do you, that's why we all subscribed. You do a fantastic job showing just how unpredictable war is and that no plan is perfect. Keep up the great content and ignore the haters.

[@Ellaphant]

Honestly, your mild incompetence is what I enjoy most about your videos. Please don't script too much!

[@SgtTechCom]

I think that's true for a lot of people. "Super cap"

[@scottr9900]

When he starts going “blbblblblb!” It’s hilarious?

[@brandonrice6946]

The Kirov does carry helicopters but there in a hidden bay towards the back of the battlecruiser,if you look at were part of the green circle helipad is missing thats were the helicopters are at,underneath that part of the ship,hidden in plan sight.

[@joshuafelder2701]

Personally I'm happy with where the channel is. I don't think the AI flagging your videos is doing it because it doesn't like that you make mistakes... Cap, not an ASW guy here but I know enough to make a bit of an educated guess. So a CSG is always doing ASW searches, the CSG generally knows where they are trying to go, and submarines are relatively slow. If there is one thing that is unrealistic about the ASW stuff you have done thus far, it's that you start off with no idea of anything going on around you. In real life, your group would be in waters that had been screened, and ideally screened recently enough in a large enough area that a submarine isn't capable of getting there undetected (if at all). So the people doing the ASW fight don't need to search EVERYTHING, they just need to drive that cleared wedge further along their intended route. So getting that Los Angeles 30 miles in tow is the hard part, and having a diesel boat materialize inside of your formation is a lot easier than actually having to drive it there.

[@freakngroovn]

Early 109Bs did have several search modes that operators could specify based on the target and other conditions/considerations.

[@joeschmalhofer6109]

I'd recommend reading the book SSN. Gives a pretty good idea how modern US submarine warfare works.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@_R-R]

I have that book. A VERY good one.

[@hughnibley]

Hey cap, the reason people complain is simply the framing of the video from the title. People are coming in expecting traditional GR videos, which while not scripted, generally the scope is known beforehand. It's just a mismatch in expectations, not necessarily a legit criticism of the content. It's expecting too much (I wish I were joking) to hope people will actually watch the intro, haha. I think if you were to adjust the titles (and descriptions) to be more specific, you'd get different (better) responses. Ie something that communicates "Reacting in real time to unknown threats" so that people know that you won't know what to expect.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Hugh, will think about this.

[@hughnibley]

@grimreapers hey cap, I love your content, and unless you point me elsewhere, I'll drop a line via KZbin. I used to work in the industry and I know a decent amount about how most content creators are financing what they do on KZbin (it's NOT ad revenue) and have a few friends who still work in the space I can ping for some insight. I know that's kinda vague, I just don't want to dox myself in a comment, but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

[@SgtTechCom]

I think it's his total lack of understanding of even the simplest concepts like, "a submarine with 4 torpedo tubes can only salvo 4 missiles" that is a big part of people's frustration. "How does the Kirov not carry helicopters?!?" - bro, wikipedia, 10 seconds, "oh it carries 3 under the deck." I mean just do a *little* research before hitting the start button on a sea power scenario.

[@WendussyDynamics]

Re: the US fleet Taiwan interdiction video: I liked it a lot and shared it with a buddy. Some people will always take things in the spirit they weren't meant to be taken.

[@PontiacFirebirdFormula305WS6]

Keep up the great work Cap! I love the long and unscripted battles!

[@tjsdaname]

Keep doing it the way you are doing it! the randomness is what makes it fun.

[@alexandersvenskmen4998]

Cap, you are the best DCS content creator there is. I think you should continue to do what you were doing because thats what made your channel the best in DCS and military simulation sphere in general. Please never change.

[@doltBmB]

Isn't it because the sturgeon only has 4 launch tubes, and they need to spend several minutes to reload them to fire all 8 harpoons? the sturgeon is not really an SSGN but an attack sub.

[@HAL_9001]

I like every one of your videos and try to comment whenever I have something worth saying. I genuinely liked the long-play Seapower episode and the format. That said it is something new new, not only due to it being Seapower instead of DCS, but also it was your first "mission" rather than a "scenario" which is what we'd seen of Seapower so far. Cheers!

[@arianmahmoudian7930]

Hi cap, personally I love the long tactical battles you do it shows the true scale of war I don’t understand why people are hating on them keep up the great work I’ve been watching your videos every day for the last 2 years when i get home your videos specially the long battles are the thing I look forward to most

[@NASWOG]

To learn the answers to all your questions, just tead Red Storm Rising and the hunt for the red october. The hunter killer series is also an excellent resource.

[@markgellis3621]

Fun video. The videos where you play through a scenario are fine, although there is the danger that there may be long spots when little is happening. Maybe prepare some filler text ("Five cool things you didn't know about the Virginia-class cruiser," etc.) in advance. I enjoyed the 1985 US Fleet Interdiction one you did a couple of days ago. I think one of the lessons from that one is that screening for submarines should be like voting in Al Capone's Chicago...do it early and often. :)

[@oldschoolfliegen436]

keep your videos up, no matter long or short, couldn't watch your video because i didn't have enough time yet but it is on my watchlist, love your videos, thanks!

[@whatiswhat4]

Cap you keep doing you keep the mystery please I like the battles that are long with an unknown outcome. The learning process is fun. That having been said it would be nice if sea power had a multiplayer cooperative so each ship could have its own captain.

[@longlive289s]

Yo Cap, ignore the guys that hate the longer videos. Those are awesome. It really does encapsulates the entire battle, the tactical deployments, thinking on the fly, getting surprised, etc Also, per the mod, the Benjamin Franklin is a stand in for the Ohio which came out in '76 but isn't in the game. I'm surprised how well your game ran when you launched 90 missiles. My game just came to craaaaaaaawl. Also found out like you these missiles for sure do not de-conflict lol keep it up

[@Orieni]

Submarines can go all of the way to the bottom. The question should be how deep can they go and still surface again, afterward. Love the vids, Cap.

[@jugganaut33]

Cap never change for anyone. You have a right to make content the way you want. Have fun how you want. Be as realistic and immersive as you want. The unscripted are the best.

[@alan252]

I personally love the videos as they are. Although the long videos are a little much for a normal busy day to watch, I make sure I remember to watch it when I have more time. I find the unscripted missions done by someone else genuinely interesting as you don't know what is happening. I appreciate your efforts and hope they remain feasible to do. I look forward to the next one!

[@chiefcoonsie]

I love ALL of your videos! regardless of the format. I learn so much from you all and it makes my experience better when I play! Keep up the good work!

[@markredacted8547]

This channel is great, I love watching all videos you put up regardless of length it is always highly entertaining.

[@CharitonIosifides]

You have to work on the fly and trust in Fly Cap. Keep it up! Was such a hilarious when you lost two ships and you didn’t notice until Pony asked you to look. Painful. But immensely hilarious!!!😂😂😂

[@isotobex5703]

I love the content warts and all keep up the great work please!

[@WildBillCox13]

8:10 Surface warships, especially older ones, are like the broad sides of barns to RaDAR. An F35 might not see an enemy plane till inside of 100mi, but a warship will show up a LOT sooner.

[@SgtTechCom]

Exactly. An F-35 at high altitude would see a Kirov the *instant* it crossed over the radar horizon, at hundreds of miles distance.

[@robbie9723]

not at sea level, radar horizon is about 20 miles max at sea skimming heights

[@SgtTechCom]

@@robbie9723The radar mast on a kirov is about 50 meters above sea level. It's highly reflective, and would be detectable at a range far greater than 20 miles to a Tasm operating at about 50 feet (without plugging it into a radar horizon calculator, i'll offer a guess of probably about 30 miles +) However, CAP was not talking about a sea skimming F-35, he was talking about the outright performance of an F-35 radar, but he was talking about it's range against fighter sized targets (which is about 100 miles give or take), which makes little sense. At high altitude an F-35 would detect a kirov from hundreds of miles away.

[@Doubledeepfried]

I really liked the 1.30h live unscripted. Like that "carrier command 2" lots of errors but learning on the way

[@petermills2185]

Another great video cap, keep up the good work

[@MrRage79]

I would really like to see a mod that doesn't buff the Americans endlessly but instead nerfs the unrealistic values ​​of the USSR. Then we would have a really balanced relationship. And it must be said that even with the current mod the USSR could defend itself, but the USA would in most cases be destroyed by the Russians.

[@sicnarFehT]

Speaking as someone who has no shame at all with using cheat codes on the rare occasions when I game, the unscripted, as-close-to-real-life-as-the-game-can-do battles are really fun to watch and I enjoy the sometimes humorous mistakes that are made. Especially as you lot learn and adjust to new units, etc. You obviously put a good deal of time into the setups and scenarios.

[@decodeddiesel]

I'm really getting into Sea Power and I'm enjoying your content Cap.

[@ScottCody04]

I'm with everyone else saying keep the long ones. You bring in factual information so not only entertained but also learning. I always make time to sit and just watch them. Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

[@Sensei_Foosball]

I love the videos in which you try to learn how to play the game in the middle of the mission. It makes the whole video much better and funnier. I would imagine it makes it more realistic as well because in a battle nothing ever goes perfectly and many mistakes, sometimes costly, are made too. Anyways, keep doing what you’re doing!

[@smacman68]

I am a military enthusiast and amateur historian. I just enjoy it and I read a lot about the topic. I was also in the USN aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt from 86 when she was commissioned to 90 right before Desert Storm brewed up. One of my favorite authors is/was Tom Clancy. I have read all his fiction and nonfiction books, which is a treasure trove of knowledge. He does deep dives into a specific weapon system, like a the Ohio class submarines, carrier groups and so on. I also was heavily into the milsim Harpoon, Harpoon II and III. To me, this is like Harpoon IV. I love it. I also am passionate about DCS and it’s currently my time vampire. It sucks all my time up like my life depends on it! When mission creating with the Harpoon sim, you must know something about how modern warfare works to make a believable mission. Just like in DCS. Cap has created some of the best DCS missions ever placed on KZbin. He’s had Sea Power now for what, a month? Cut the man some slack. Show some class and support the man. He had said many times that he loves input and feedback from his audience, so give him some. That’s not an open invitation for stupid hate comments or snarky remarks. You’re part of the problem, not the solution.

[@danhodson7187]

Cap, please keep doing the longer unscripted battles as well as these more 'tech demo' types. That one against the Chinese was fascinating, I loved watching it. It was hilarious hearing your reaction to losing the two ships all of a sudden, complete chaos ensued haha. We wouldn't get any of that if you knew it was about to happen. If you do continue, it will also be interesting to see your tactics evolve and how those creating the missions will have to evolve to continue to catch you out. Keep doing what you're doing, most of us love it, it's the reason I'm here over other channels.

[@James31USFPoly]

Good Work Cap!

[@gamerwoods683]

Please keep making long Videos and not knowing what the outcome is, is the reason why I love watching your Videos

[@g-dubz9841]

Sea power came out at the prefect time for you. Don’t forget to support the man with likes and shares

[@edmorris1437]

When playing the old Harpoon Classic game from the 1990s, I would have 50% of the Vikings patrol 20-50 nm from the main formation, and the helos closer to the formation. I would set land-based, fixed wing ASW to patrol >200 nm from base (in the formation editor) or I would have them patrol choke points (e.g., between Faroe Islands and Iceland). Then I’d wait for contacts from patrolling subs, MAD or SOSUS, and send airborne assets to intercept. The units sent on intercept missions would be replaced from the carrier or group. Typically that balanced response time and fuel range. I do wonder if the old Harpoon game allowed more Nimrods or Orions than were actually operational in the North Atlantic.

[@SgtTechCom]

axshually...once the attacks start you should scramble everything. Helos and airplanes full of fuel on your ships makes for a lot of big badaboom. Prior to the attacks, i agree with you though.

[@elrekplaysgames4701]

I agree, the unscripted battles are fun to watch when someone else made the mission and none of us including you playing the scenario have no idea what's happening. This really is more interesting than replaying a mission where you know what happens and when and deploy assets in advance

[@lonniehartke8823]

Keep up the great work Cap. Love your hard work. Thank you.

[@darkhorse13golfgaming]

Perfect is boring, you keep doing your thing bro. I enjoy your vids the way you do them.

[@pvkesports3901]

I know many people now a days like everything to be short and condensed but I don't think that's why most of us are here who regularly watch your guy's videos. I think scripting everything would completely ruin the point keep up the interesting work!

[@exoterric]

I'm with you dude. Mistakes, the risk of failure, is exactly how you learn something new.

[@mdr270_3]

I love the live battles. Plenty of others do videos similar. I know one breaks their videos up into 20 or 30 minute sections, releasing them over a couple of days (maybe cutting out some stuff, but I like to see it all). It might but help with the algorithm.

[@cody42069420]

!!!KEEP GR THE SAME!!!! You've made this channel what it is by doing what you do differently then others. I find it's much more informative and entertaining! PLEASE FONT CHANGE ANYTHING CAP! The Grim Reapers are a brand now and I love it in all its intricacies

[@CaptainMustanG4089]

I love all videos from you guys, if I don't feel like sitting through an hour video I'll just watch a different video. Sorry they always have to complain, hope you keep up the amazing content of all lengths!

[@glenproctor1999]

As you learn, we learn! The mistakes help a lot. Oh and the salvo limitations for the early subs is, I think, due to firing from the torpedo tubes. Separate missiles tubes came later.

[@Howard-j6e]

I like the longer videos, it’s more realistic and keeps me watching. The people complaining are the same people who want war sims to favour them %100 of the time and will play on easy so they can dominate every match. It’s way better the way you’re doing it in my opinion, either way I’ll still watch you!. Keep up the good work Reapers!.

[@kosomolsk]

I enjoy watching them. However, for the matter, I think they are saying unlike with DCS you don't have the necessary base level of knowledge with ships and Sea Power to do competent blind runs yet. With DCS even if it's an unknown scenario you are familiar with all the pieces. Here you aren't. BTW, the Kirov's three helicopters is in a belowdecks hangar with an elevator, just like a mini-carrier. Not that I mind, but just suggesting what they are getting at. For this battle, the realistic threat the Soviets would have suffered from a pre-VLS US submarine attack would be only 3 Harpoons because the US tends to send subs in alone, not in packs. And they are liable to leave one tube loaded with a torpedo just in case. So the salvo size is only three. That might still be enough if they can do it stealthily (for example, the Soviets were in EMCON, and you can set the seeker to activate say only ten miles out so they can't react - these are also some options you don't have in Sea Power).

[@daleriggins4138]

Personally I like the longer form of live play. I like the banter/conversation

[@pa6370]

I'm here because I find what you do, how you do it and the ultimate unscripted outcomes entertaining.