1990's US Carrier Group vs 2020's US Carrier Group (Naval Battle 60) | DCS

[@JimmyJamm]

The Gerald Ford uses an electromagnetic catapult rather than the Nimitz's steam so it has a much faster launch rate.

[@randomuser5443]

If we can get it working

[@Acrophobia2]

@@randomuser5443 I thought they did just with some reliability issues that need to be worked ou

[@abledog9462]

Not necessarily...

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

I’m sure it could be and prob is I just wonder how much faster, I’m just curious if it’s about the same or if it’s a considerable amount

[@TRPilot06YT]

@@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476 Afaik, its a very considerable difference, but steam powered ones are very slightly more relaible. %0.007 vs %0.005 crash rate And also, after launching multiple aircraft from the steam catapults back to back, you have to consider heat and pressure and you sort of have to get it to cool down, most aircraft carriers just pump seawater to cool them down. Electronic ones dont have that problem

[@admthrawnuru]

One of the lesser known technologies that makes American carrier fleets so effective is the ability to take off straight through ground crew. Little known fact: this was a key element to winning the battle of Midway.

[@jaeger9654]

Nope battle of midway win because of intel, and japanese discipline, they just do exactly what the secret code say. If both side have fog of war Japan will win they just perform better in every aspect.

[@AirSupportIncomimg]

@@jaeger9654 fun fact: that was a joke

[@andrewwalton6545]

@@AirSupportIncomimg whats... a joke?

[@cockatoo010]

Yeah, American sailors can phase trough aircraft, but only if they were manufactured in the US. That's why the launching rate of Harriers is lower than for the Hornets

[@whousley]

@@cockatoo010 Oh, so that's why Harrier air intakes are so large. ;-) The better to eat you with my dear.

[@mickeyg7219]

F-35C mod has an unrealistically fast speed, but F-14 being slower here was not. This due to its loadout, according to a SAC document, F-14D don't exceed Mach 1.6 when loaded with AIM-54 and drop tanks.

[@mikekopack6441]

yup, that's something a lot of people don't get... With internal only weapons, a loaded stealth plane can go faster and be more manueverable than a loaded 4th gen, because the 5th gen still appears "slick" to the air.

[@ryz_vik]

However my experiences in DCS says differently I went up to Mach 1.9 with an A Cat, got 2 Phoenixes and 3 sparrows loaded, no bags though as I was engaging

[@hypeninja4786]

@@ryz_vik that's the A model. The D's engines were less powerful.

[@jimrussell4062]

@@hypeninja4786 No. The D's engines were not less powerful overall.

[@timlynch2342]

@@mikekopack6441 Shhh...you're interrupting the Tomcat fanboys' orgasms.

[@mintsamich]

I think the F-35 has a really high thrust to weight ratio since the engine is actually rated to be able to have the aircraft reach Mach 2+, but they didn’t want the engine to wear out as fast and it turns out they would easily get damage beyond Mach 1.8 so they limited the engine to Mach 1.6

[@matthewbrothers2823]

Between that and I remember hearing the f22 and 35 loose stealth coating after 1.4 I think it was so they also limit because of that. Not sure of the truth of that though.

[@williamkillingsworth2619]

M1.6 was the requirement for the program. Never heard anyone claiming thats the absolute top speed it is capable of.

[@willsabri4815]

@@matthewbrothers2823 I remember that happening once in the early days in the F35 dev program but it was never reproduced even when they tried so idk

[@matthewbrothers2823]

@@willsabri4815 that's what I was thinking, but wasn't sure how far it really went

[@jimrussell4062]

The T/W isn't all that high. The inlets are relatively inefficient for thrust (although good for stealth) And overall the F-35's aren't that clean aerodynamically. Their official stated ranges given by the US Navy and USAF are way below the expectations for the amount of fuel they carry. The F-35s weren't optimized for aerodynamics and kinetics. That's just to be expected since they were built to maximize stealth.

[@mikekopack6441]

C models has a stealthy external gun pod. They had to move it external to provide room for the Navy's Drogue and Probe refueling setup. The pod is moderately stealthy so not a lot of compromise with it, and it actually holds more ammo than the A model's internal gun IIRC.

[@raymondlantz9278]

I didn't realize the "c" does not have an internal gun...

[@takaharatanaka8818]

While a simple US Army rotary wing aviator, Seeing this shit above Dothan and in Utah at Red Flag... I'm not sure shit works out better in real life. I love the Tomcat but it just doesn't... Edit: This is only 1/3 of what I had typed. Where is the rest? To include the point I was making? Fucking GOOGLE!

[@VarroTigurius-u1f]

You are correct.. the external pod holds more ammo but is smaller size than the internal mount on the A.. the B/C need the external since they trimmed up to be carrier and STOL capable. The A version (Air Force variant) has the 25 mm internally with 182 rounds... the B and C utilize the Terma A/S multi mission pod (MMP) which is "stealthy" but does somewhat compromise the stock B/C stealth signature and has 220 rounds. The MMP is mounted on the centerline of the underside of the aircraft. The reason for the 25mm over the standard 20mm usually mounted is due to the AF trying to make the F-35 a more capable in its CAS role since its replacing all the A-10s which have 30mm. The AF exclusively uses A variants, the Marines use both B and C (to a lesser extent), and the Navy almost exclusively uses C (carrier) variants. One funny note...a Marine B variant accidentally ran into one of its own bullets that it fired.

[@takaharatanaka8818]

@@VarroTigurius-u1f Weird Most of what I typed was deleted by KZbin.

[@stevenlarratt3638]

A F35 tactic is to fly a line of aicraft with missiles on behind a line of full stealth F35s, the line behind guides full stealth craft into the aggressors by manovering into a suitable direction to lead them to the attackers

[@superflyguy4488]

Ive read the RAF would fly F35 forward detecting targets while remaining unseen, and hand off the targeting information to the high and fast flying Typhoons travelling behind them.

[@rotary7372]

The gun conversation cracked me up. People still think we use Vietnam era missiles in the modern day any way a vast majority of Vietnam kills were done by missiles.

[@d.thieud.1056]

Yup The reason not having guns was a mistake is BC the f-4s couldn't strafe ground targets anymore. They'd be flying over marines caught in am ambush. The soldiers desperate begging for air support, but the pilot could only radio back "sorry boys, no 20mil" The B and C Stealths are very valuable so risking exposing them to ground fire on the pilots whim is not a great idea, they get gunpods if they're allowed to engage ground targets. Why would you risk an 80 million jet on ground attack if you can just call in a super tucano instead, or call in a long range missile from a B-21 or its drone swarm

[@richarddixon146]

@@d.thieud.1056 USAF more likely A-10, f-15E/EX, F-16C. USN F/A-18E/F. Super Tucano was meant to be an affordable modern A/G plane for poorer Countries.

[@d.thieud.1056]

@@richarddixon146 yes that's very true as well, once stealthier aircraft have cleared the airspace and preformed SEAD/DEAD, the airspace is clear for cheaper F-16s and F-15E(X)s to come in and provide superior CAS too the A-10

[@JohnSmith-ch9sm]

This channel is seriously great to watch.

[@grimreapers]

thx John

[@SpartacusTheHumble]

Its fun learning about military craft. I’ve only recently discovered ur channel and this guy cracks me up during these fights lol 😂

[@grimreapers]

Hi Mike

[@Tabacish]

If you want to dig in on modern Air/Naval tactics, look up Command:Modern Operations.... Not everyones cup of tea, but...

[@haydenj.powers5180]

I'm impressed to the degree the accuracy of the real life DCS was able to produce. Regarding the AIM-54 Phoenix not being able to track, the AN/AWG-9 used in the F-14 is an X band radar. Stealth Aircraft are usually optimized to reflect a low cross section against X and S band radars but not against VHF, UHF, and L band radars such as those used in AEW&C. So when they AIM-54's were unable tracking after being fired it was likely due to the F-35 not having open bomb bays or bad angles facing towards the F-14.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

RCS in DCS is just a fixed value, which does work, but it's not 100% accurate. RCS values change wildly throughout the angle you look at the aircraft, and same goes for Stealth with bays and pylons. DCS isn't made for 5th get at least not yet

[@valecrassus7835]

"THIS IS SEXY BUSINESS!" Pure gold, Cap.

[@BobH809]

Love the fact you guys keep churning out these great videos. Look for new ones every day, big smile when I see one.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Bob! Averaging 10 per week currently. Plus don't forget Grim Reapers 2 channel.

[@BobH809]

@@grimreapers Yes, Funny as hell. Just finished watching them all. We've all heard about the Rom-Com, this is the Fly-Com. Some great moments from GR DCS History.😆

[@oscarzheng9902]

the f35B and C don't have an internal gun to save weight and fuel on missions in which the gun is unlikely to be used and it is found in testing that the gun pod performs better than the f35A's internal gun

[@robertroberts5090]

I'd love to see a clash in the Taiwan Straight, between a Chinese landing craft fleet and the US Gerald Ford fleet. Including Chinese land based air and hypersonic anti ship missiles and maybe Japanese or British carriers too!

[@grimreapers]

Tried it but I got cancelled :(

[@AirSupportIncomimg]

Cap did do a similar wargame series a few months ago, but unfortunately the KZbin wumaos acted up and demonetized all of his videos.

[@AirSupportIncomimg]

@Jerry it’s still there, but cap can’t get revenue from it so he can’t continue it

[@jasondiaz8431]

@@AirSupportIncomimg how does Binkov do it?

[@Foxtrop13]

19:14 he pulled off the "dead goose manuever"

[@strambino1]

That was incredible cap! Once the A-6 comes out it would be interesting to see the modern fleet and 90s fleet fight! The 90s carrier group has more ships and aircraft but the modern carrier group has stealth. The best counter to stealth is to outnumber it.

[@UptownDegree]

Numbers don't help against 5th gens...

[@ΓρηγόρηςΠανούσης]

"im not gonna warn u, im not gonna cheat but on of u is about to die" best moment right there

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

Gen 4 vs gen 5. I love that the opening combat is right about what we would expect, gen 4 slaughter courtesy of stealth BVR.

[@JTLaser1]

I did LASER maintenance in the 90s and one of our clients was Hughes, the plant where they made Phoenix and AMRAAM missiles. Not being in Naval Aviation I was astounded the first time I saw a Phoenix!!! I was stationed in support of the Cape in the 70s, so I saw some impressive things, but an air-to-air missile you could literally ride in, (final ride for sure!) Well, it blew me away!

[@Ariccio123]

Note that newer F-35s will be equipped with the "Sidekick" missile rack, which will be able to carry 6 missiles internally. Not sure if F-35A only...

[@apolloaero]

Do you know when that'll happen? Last I heard, it was delayed yet again

[@grimreapers]

cool

[@schweizerluchs7146]

I think A and C model, B can't bc its internal bay is smaller

[@martinpalmer6203]

Sidekick was only budgeted for F35 Cs at the last time I checked the pentagon spending wishlist... for a few 2022 production models, so unlikely to be in service until 2023 ish, about 10 million dollars extra on a 200 million dollar (actual price) aircraft to carry 2 more AMRAAMs . Hard to say for sure its worth it, I mean if you beleive the marketing unit cost of 70 million... its almost better to buy more airframes . Sidekick ~81x4 = 324 million for 24 missiles. while 6 F35s at the bogus cost would only be 420 ish million. Sure it's "saving" 100 million, but id be willing to bet the 6x4 missile aircraft would beat the 4×6 in a head to head... But yeah at the politicians price (vs actual price) the sidekick doesn't make much sense. ... with the 200 million per airframe actual price, an extra 10 mill makes more sense. However still questionable as far as spending tax dollars on these things... especially with so many involved in approving purchases for various countries being seen to take bribes ( ohh look you approved the purchase.. come work at Lockheed as a "consultant" l Anyway I guess thats a bit beyond scope, but the cost factor if you beleive the "flyaway" cost is really questionable to add a rack for 10-11 million more.

[@Ariccio123]

@@martinpalmer6203 TEN MILLION DOLLARS? what's it made out of? Gold?

[@drewfierman3834]

F-35A/C are getting hardware upgrades in the next 1-2 years to allow them to carry 6 AMRAAMS internally instead of 4

[@leakycheese]

Fascinating battle - you got a result not dissimilar to a scenario HypOps ran pitting the F-35 against S400 and 4th gen fighters (the F-35s stuffed the opposition). Ward Carroll has an interesting video where he talks about capabilities of the Gerald Ford including it’s sortie generation rate.

[@plushiie_]

Stealth and range, the f35c has the longest range of all the models, a shorter range would have given it a gun, but would also move the entire carrier fleet closer to the given danger. In the cases where they do have a need for a gun, it has an attachable belly pod. Will be interesting to see f35c doing stealth, 1400 nmi JSM attacks in the future.

[@socomao3]

I served on the USS Eisenhower from 1993-1997, loved this video!!!!

[@razgriz5552]

Love how the fords cats are modeled for steam even though its magnetic lol

[@grimreapers]

I had to use a Nimitz.

[@razgriz5552]

@@grimreapers got it👍 Love the videos Cap!

[@splytlyckety]

Francis is in trouble, he is in a flat spin and headed to sea!

[@timothyparker2354]

Let me tell you exactly how this would go in real life... The a2g f35s would go out with 2 joint strike missiles in the bay and 4 lrasm on the wings... The lrasms would fire at the carrier groups at about 250mi away and fire the JSM at about 150mi away... All well before the other group would even know there were f35s firing... After that they'd go back and the a2a f-35s would stay within 100mi of the group...as soon as the tomcats came within 200mi of the carrier group the f35s would pass targeting coordinates to the group so they can launch sm6 at the tomcats... At the same time the f35s would launch aamrams from about 70mi... Literally every tomcat and their carrier group would be destroyed before they could ever target or even find an f-35 on any radar... That's the power of 5th gen... It would be an absolute massacre... They can fire everything and kill from outside the range they can even get close to being targeted

[@cousinjack2841]

That was a good one boys. I love how Cap gets so excited; probably has to go and have a little lie down in a dark room afterwards. 😊

[@grimreapers]

My wife makes me go to bed for an hour. That's not exageration...

[@nathantw]

The Tomcats would have been configured with 120s and Sidewinders and no AIM-54. The AIM-54 were developed to intercept Russian bombers that weren't as agile as fighter/bombers, so it didn't surprise me they were missing in this simulation.

[@chrisinstasis7986]

At 1240 the tomcat looks like a fecking superhero soaring into space. Beautiful.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

MAN now that I think about it, long range IR missiles REALLY make sense against 5th gen stealth, so I guess a russian Su-33 fleet of R-27ETs?

[@vincentphan5097]

The F-22 and F-35 have extreme counter measures to mask their IR signature, and combined with the F-35’s propulsion cooling, infrared seekers are useless. What people don’t understand about IR seekers is that their range is very limited in volume search mode, worsened by the fact that weather can effect their performance. I would like to see this battle though.

[@jameshewitt8828]

At first was like, yeah the F35s look cool. Then it pans to the Tomcats 😍😍😍😍 F14 is a PROPER looking naval fighter

[@FenrisSulfr]

I think the stealth on the F-35 can only go so far with the 120 AAMRAAM... maybe with an all Hornet wing? En Francis gefeliciteerd met je nieuwe baan ^^

[@w2504x4]

Reading a lot of the comments on here and a lot of very good ones. But lets put a few issues out on the table. Are we also talking the crews as well not just equipment? Are we talking about the capabilities of at sea repair? Cause if we are than those are combat multipliers that todays fleet do not posess but the 90s fleet does. This comes from someone who served 14 years. The military today is not much compared to the military of the 90s in terms of its personnel. Our politicians and general/admiral staff have ensured that. That is a huge factor in combat. We rely soley on tech to save the day, we do not have at sea repair capability, hell we can't even fix our F-18s with organic navy techs. Don't believe me, do your research, the Blue Angels have subbed our repairs why??? not enough techs in the navy. Don't feel bad the boy scout army is in the same boat, our military has been destroyed from within by our own people. And that pisses me off.

[@v8packard]

So I wonder, if the radar on the AIM-54 just couldn't handle the low observable opponents, what about using a semi-active mode for the entire intercept? And using AIM-7 as well? Launch multiple missiles in track while scan?

[@lamarmercer2370]

Sidewinders where around in the 90's. On the Hornets wing tips. US Navy 88-97.

[@ZirhNorach]

@26:07 En gefeliciteerd met je nieuwe baan dan maar hé

[@suecobandito8954]

Cap, what an imagination. Innovative and always thinking. Great grasp of the equipment and the game. Great vid.

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@The_Real_Pimpaho]

I just noticed that @ 8:44 the nose gear on the F-35 raised up off the ground after hookup. I don't know enough about it to assume but is that correct or a glitch. I have never seen the F/A-18c do that in DCS.

[@grimreapers]

Must be glitch?

[@KnalMetKokkie]

Nice video! Francis gefeliciteerd met je nieuwe werk!

[@WilfChadwick]

Ja, lekker dichtbij this ook, Mooi zo.

[@grimreapers]

??? You keyboard has broken>?

[@WilfChadwick]

@@grimreapers lol. We were commenting on Francis's new job he was talking about mid stream.

[@angelarch5352]

I would love to see stealth vs stealth in this mission!

[@grimreapers]

Prob just fly right past each other lol.

[@ewoitsmejames]

Question: if the aircraft radars can see the stealths, would fox 1s be viable? Granted they would have to stay locked but would it make a difference?

[@potatoskunk5981]

Your radar signal could be detected.

[@lucky_luke4785]

continuous wave illumination is based on the same radar range equation as pulse doppler radar and thus affected by stealth in the same way. Due to it's lower power transmitter it would not be a more viable option than the aim-54

[@charlienash1050]

Time to call in the Kuzenstov and its Su-33s then hehe

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

@@potatoskunk5981 You're right, but you're forgetting that STT is much harder to lose lock. Idk about stealth though

[@bujoun76]

It's going to be real interesting when DCS makers get a chance to model F-35 EOS and DAS systems.

[@johnvvoorthuijzen2653]

Congrats on your new job Francis! 😁

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@abledog9462]

Speaking of Gerald R Ford, and I've asked twice before but the curiosity is killing me. Did you ever get the swag I sent you in the mail from that boat?

[@8wayspeed505]

Great location, I lived on Saipan for 5 years. So this is very intersting to me

[@M3PH11]

24:16 i think It's because of the drive shaft required to run the lifting fan. iirc the f-35A use's different engine to the B and C and so doesn;t have the driveshaft sitting under the cockpit so there is room to place a gun

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@mikeck4609]

I’m not sure why you guys seem to believe that the F-35 isn’t a good ACM fighter. It pulls alpha like a hornet (f-35 pilots say it pulls more) but has the thrust to weigh of an F-16. Because it carried its weapons, ECM/target pods internally, it fights as a “clean jet”. It also doesn’t have to drop its fuel before a fight…it carries almost as much fuel internally an F-14 WITH its drop tanks (about 18,250 lbs)…and the F-35 only has ONE engine. Just because it’s stealthy, filled with sensors and not an F-22 doesn’t mean it isn’t a beast in BVR and ACM. So much BS propagated by Pierre Sprey and his ilk who knew NOTHING about the F-35s capabilities but felt free to announce that it can’t do anything

[@jimrussell4062]

It has FAR FAR less T/W than an F-16. It's a 35,000 lbs a/c, with 20,000 lbs of fuel that only has 43,000lbs of thrust (less installed) with inefficient intakes and a high drag factor. It's good at what it DOES... which is be hard to see and shoot from a distance via datalink and drop bombs.... but it's NOT built for ACM. Not even close. It's inferior to the F-16 and F-18 kinetically (even the F-14). It CAN pull nose authority briefly but once it loses speed it's tough to get it back. The F-35 shouldn't have had the speed in the game given the Air Force/Navy says it CAN'T do that...(and physics agrees), but the STRATEGY was correct. Stay invisible and launch Aim-120s.

[@grimreapers]

All I know is what's in game at moment.

[@mikeck4609]

@@jimrussell4062 do you think the F-16 flies around with no fuel? look at average gross weight of each aircraft vs their thrust...and how do you figure the F-35 has a "high drag factor" when its clean?? Why don't you look at the comments of the pilots that actually fly the F-35? It pulls as much alpha as a hornet (and what aircraft doesn't do it "briefly"?... you don't fly around at a 25 degree AoA). and - since its weapons are internal so its aerodynamically clean- can rate with an F-16 that has six pylons, 6 missiles and an ECM pod dragging through the air. At least, according to the pilots who have flown it at Red Flag...but what do they know? I would like to see your sources for the argument that the F-35 is a poor ACM platform. Pilot ability is much more important and- I'll say it- although ACM is an important capability to have in case... DOGFIGHTING IS DEAD. it just is. Doesn't mean it will never happen...just that it is incredibly rare. As in: none I'm aware of in the last 50 years. Most visual kills (and there are FAR FAR more BVR kills) are usually made by a fighter that is unseen, pursuing a fleeing enemy or head-on at the merge with an all aspect....not a twisty high-g "Top Gun" style fight. Why do we sigh with a "that's what they said in Vietnam" as if technology hasn't advanced in 50 years? Hell., in 1942 Curtis Lemay (head of US strategic bombers) swore that with the Norton site, they could accurately hit strategic targets and decimate Germany from the air. They were wrong. Are you the guy in the planning room of Desert Storm 40 years later sighing and rolling your eyes when Buster Glossen discusses his plan to use Precision guided munitions to destroy Iraq's strategic targets? "Ha! that's what Curtiss Lemay said in World War 2!"

[@whousley]

How do you fight stealth? Datalinked missiles. Yes, they exist. Linked with awaks, ships, and satellite.

[@grimreapers]

agree not modelled in game yet

[@whousley]

It dramatically impacts ship point defenses.

[@ryz_vik]

Realistically, SAMs would probably be a thing, with the 35 having their stealth and the tomcats with their gliding decoys and hornets with their jammers. I do think that the hornets and the cats would be better working together on the A2G with the tomcats launching those decoys over SAMs to keep them busy while the hornets are there for SEAD. After which the hornets can carry up to 8 guided bombs and work together to destroy anything that you want

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Guided bombs against a fleet? Only if you deplete them of missiles and fighters... JSOWs won't work unless you make miracle predictions and they don't change directions in the slightest

[@rogerpennel1798]

What if the F-14's were carrying 2× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-54 + 2× AIM-7? Although the AIM7 wasn't that great it would at least be a medium-range radar missile. Because I'm not sure the B or D models carried AIM120?

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

They only carried them for tests. And it was the AIM-120A

[@fredericlepeltier3435]

I wonder if a Rafale M with its OSF (V-IR-TS for eng speaker) and MICA IR could do the trick against those F35. As you said stealth hide only EM frequencies, not IR or visual! And they can launch from a Nimitz. FYI: i don't know why but a whole squadron of Rafale M seems to be stationned at Oceana NAS near Norfolk ! (check on google maps Oceana fighter parking).

[@Anarchy_420]

Bad a$$! You actually have The Ford Class Carrier now! Freakin awesome!🤯👍👍 Wish you would have used The Iowa Class Battleship for The 90's team lol wish you'd include it in a few scenarios, and had The Fleet's engage one another. However this was still Absolutely Brilliant!😁✌

[@grimreapers]

Nope, it was actually just a Nimitz :(

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapersI was wondering why it wasn't being showcased. Lol awww, that's alright I'm sure you'll have it someday ;)

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers Unsinkable! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaLbm62cqsl6d8U

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers lol when will DCS have these😆 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmWphnWcpZ6eiZI

[@sailingmaster]

I wish DCS World had functional models for certain prototypes. F-16xl, and YF-23 just to name a couple. Would love to see those up against the F-35.

[@Tk3997]

Air Defense radars definitely cannot detect stealth aircraft at 80 miles, expect maybe in the vaguest "I think there's something in this patch of sky a dozen miles across" kind of way. Really what would even be the point of stealth if that was the case? 80 miles is already a greater range then most SAM can really be effective kinetically against an agile target, so if strong air defense radars could detect stealth aircraft at ranges like that Stealth would barely provide any advantage against air defenses at all. Fighter radars definitely can't track them reliably at 20 miles in reality because we've had direct quotes from pilots fighting stealth aircraft in exercises that even within visual range their radars fail to produce tracks usable by weapons.

[@sergheiadrian]

And now you have to do 70s carrier group vs 2020 carrier group.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

I’m still waiting to see 4 iowa class bbs vs 4 kirovs, whether the Iowa’s are 1980s refit or not

[@williamescolantejr5871]

I seen the leaked f35 crash it looked like he impacted the f35s left landing gear too hard when he touched deck,didnt see any bounce really but was a fast clip

[@ErokCherokee]

She

[@Saratogan]

The launch rate on the Ford is going to be much faster than the Nimitz class.

[@bruhmomento4590]

I do know that carriers can launch aircraft every 20 seconds but is there a video besides sources?

[@grimreapers]

Roger , this was actually a Nimitz in game.

[@samuelhowe3465]

I've heard IRL that the US uses radar system designed to track fast and stealthy targets and they do this exceptionally well but slow moving targets is a struggle to track. How true is that if anyone knows? Because I've heard some people claim that it'd be extremely difficult to track something like a biplane or crop duster compared to a cold war Era interceptor/fighter.

[@soppdrake]

Those yellow shirt deck-crew aren't getting paid enough

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

I wonder if holding back the tomcats till you have enough of them in tight groups, waiting for the ground attack lightnings to get close and lobbing the Phoenix over the stealth at them would work? You might stalemate when both side run dry on air-to-ground platforms, or the tomcats might eat enough missile to run the stealth lightnings dry. Not something to try in real life as the butchers bill would be too high...

[@grimreapers]

As soon as AI planes see bad guys they charge in, can't stop them. Or at least I don't know how.

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

@@grimreapers Maybe vary carefully place their loiter points so they will be able to see the ground attack birds but not the air defense? Any idea what the AI is written in? Is it user mod'able?

[@jezwarren-clarke2471]

I do find it amazing (if I heard that right)that an F35 as a radar cross section of a human fist … there is a whole human inside one??!!!

[@Uriel77200]

Have the US navy filled the gap that was left when the Tomcat was put to rest? I don't think we currently have an interceptor with a long range missile like the Phoenix do we?

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Falklands war carriers group Vs a Nimitz. A really modern Nimitz, both with all there escorts

[@ilejovcevski79]

Could be that the reason the AMRAAM is the only missile that worked against stealth is because it is the only one that is migrated to the new missile API?

[@jimrussell4062]

Most of the kills against stealth were with sidewinders.

[@crimsonninja6995]

I think you guys should do a series titled Simba, That's an Order, in which Simba has to complete ridiculous challenges in ever increasing difficulty.

[@grimreapers]

love it!

[@MarkMeadows90]

Those carrier group workers were having a bad day when those F14s, F18s, and F35s were going right through them when taking off lol

[@grimreapers]

They didn't sign up for that sh*t!

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

LMFAO I laughed my ass off at the BVR Sidewinder XDD

[@bennuredjedi]

A model built in 25mm Gatling?

[@rose-bn6nf]

I use vsn f35 mode but I don't have f35c. Is there a mode need for f35c?

[@grimreapers]

C model can with VSN mod for us...

[@speeddemon2262]

Nice work. Id imagine the lightning mod is a bit too fast. Still maybe sparrows would of done slightly better.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Sparrows against F-35s is like using warbirds against 4th Gen fighters

[@cameron1975williams]

1x Internet here and I'm upset.

[@fretless67]

Not 0.1 m2 but 0.005 m2 for the F35. Many systems can see but the question is .. (Can they lock?)

[@lucky_luke4785]

if you can see the radar return you can also track it in angle and elevation

[@grimreapers]

We use 0.01m2

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

It's just no fun unless someone rips a wing off

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@gordan79]

A few ideas: 1) AIM-54Cs instead of AIM-54As 2) Use phoenixes as mostly fox-1s, use the range but remain nose hot until they hit

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Notch: ded

[@williamlathan6932]

EMALS has can recharge faster than the old steam system can pressure back up. It's similar to those on modern roller-coasters.

[@Decrepit_biker]

Can't wait for the Phantom. Can do a true 60s carrier group against the different eras.....

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@maxcaysey2844]

Where is the US Iowa?

[@tedferkin]

Again, knowing your enemy, this is the wrong set of tactics by one of the fleets. If I was running the 1990s fleet, I would be not relying on my AIM-54s versus stealth. As many AIM-9s on those beasts as possible. Also, as noted the F-35s seem a little fast. The other issue is, you win by bombing not killing fighters. So why waste missiles on the CAP, you want to take out bombers......

[@fredlandry6170]

It’s so sad to see those beautiful Tomcats being destroyed, it’s my favorite fighter.

[@gregorymaupin6388]

Tomcats would never get off the deck with 6 aim 54 as it would not get off the deck. Just saying

[@zipxd_sng]

Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 36

[@grimreapers]

yes yes

[@user-of6i4ls6si7zb0]

Awesome!!!🤩

[@jamesp8164]

How to win this? Maybe load the F-14s with AMRAAMs and Sidewinders, and have them advanced on the enemy at maximum speed to force a close engagement.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

And eat a missle to the face?

[@Vapor0040]

My guess is the area the gun goes on the A model is taken up by the lift fan on the other model.

[@andyf4292]

also ,,, if sidewinders can track the f35... what of the R27et?

[@grimreapers]

Yes that works fine. Go check out the stealth vs Russia battle.

[@tituslaronius]

Would be fun to see a 2020s us vs Russia ☺️

[@jamespaladino2784]

Can a Phoenix hit the E2 over a carrier group without being intercepted by an SM2? Can SM2 hit an AIM54 essentially?

[@Groucho14E]

I'd be curious to see a re-run of this if/when HB revises the AIM-54C seeker and guidance. Might not make a difference, but I'd be curious. Edit: and why did you not use the 54C for a 90's air wing, Cap?

[@92HazelMocha]

A mk. 60 has better range and energy, its a classic debate; better kinematics across entire flight time with the A mk. 60 vs better radar of the C.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

@@92HazelMocha This argument is ONLY valid, and I do mean ONLY, because it's an AI fight. In theory the 54C should be miles better, and much harder to defeat, but we don't know how well it is modelled

[@92HazelMocha]

@@DemonLordGamingAC0 It's not modeled accurately yet, although I hear its next on the list to be overhauled.

[@dohc22h]

It's bad for business for the F-35 to be defeated by F-14's... Eagle Dynamics I'm sure has certain protocols to follow by the Military Industrial Complex.

[@ojaspatki772]

Can we also do a Russian Carrier group with Su33 vs a Russian Carrier group with Mig29Ks

[@grimreapers]

cool idea

[@reiskorn02]

Can you repeat the Naval 30 Video again? That looked super fun

[@grimreapers]

Just waiting until the Harpoon missile in game gets fixed, currently causing problems in big MP games.

[@cathycarr6849]

Cap, Love you and your team, GREAT stuff. Have you thought about a modern-day "Battle of Britain"? I think you could have a fun time with that, I know I would enjoy watching it!

[@grimreapers]

Modern planes on both sides?

[@cathycarr6849]

@@grimreapers Yes Sir!

[@cathycarr6849]

Please only use air defense around the major cities, not the coast. Something that is not super long range, shorter range around the cities that will be required to "win" the game. Cap, thanks for all of the 1st class entertainment...

[@ryanpayne7707]

10:38: Tomcat ain't no b---h coward hiding behind technology like puny Lightning. Tomcat fights like a man. LOL

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@mikeck4609]

Missiles are a BIT more advanced now since 1968. When is the last time someone used a gun in a fight in real life? I think in 1982 the Israelis had 2 gun kills….of course, they had over a hundred missile kills. Fact is, you only use guns to strafe. The US hasn’t had a guns kill since Vietnam and even the - after the F-4 had a gun added- guns represented less than 4% of kills. And you can’t bring an f-35 into an ACM engagement unless you can find it and survive the onslaught of BVR

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Merging for Stealths would be a death sentence, if not for manuverability and Fox-2s. That's why the F-22 is so deadly

[@muddydave01]

What would happen if you ran this again with Growlers running ECM for the 2020s fleet and would it have been Prowlers for the 90s?

[@grimreapers]

Not modelled in Game.

[@lucky_luke4785]

depending on how good the rcs plays out for the f-35 i think the cats may not even stand a chance if my math proves me correct the tomcats should not see the f-35 above 15km thats 8nm and be well dead by that time the aim-54s onboard radar would need to be guided to under 1 mile to pick up the f-35

[@keondricpaigg7375]

Do CSG's not use Ticos anymore?

[@grimreapers]

Going out of service now.

[@keondricpaigg7375]

@@grimreapers that class has a very special place in my heart first warship I've ever tracked on the first underway I've ever went on.

[@willwozniak2826]

Was that the Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) Carrier that you guys used? You have to forgive me, brain is not working today.......If that SWEET!....Good job on comparing US Carrier Strike Groups from different decades. Yes the F-35C video was leaked. Malfunctions happen, thats Life.

[@grimreapers]

We had to use a Nimitz for it.

[@willwozniak2826]

@@grimreapers ahhh I see it now....Love them F-35Cs on the Carrier. More are starting to pop up on more Carriers now.