1990's US Carrier Group vs 1990's Russian Carrier Group (Naval Battle 115) | DCS

We simulate a 200 mile battle between 1990's US and Russian Carrier Strike Groups. The Russian aircraft are Su-33 Flanker and US use F-14 Tomcat and FA-18 Hornet.
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[@josephglatz25]

Eh, I think it's unrealistic to assume that the Kuznetsov would be capable of A.) Launching an recovering aircraft, and B.) actually capable of sailing out of port.

[@douglasarthur2673]

That’s why it was affectionately named ‘Old Smokey’ or my personal favourite ‘Old Tugger’ 😂

[@TheHoneyThief]

I have to contest your second assumption. Russia had loads of tugs.

[@user-mz5lr7zx4s]

in the 1990s, Kuznetsov was not yet in such a state as in 2016, there is no need to wishful thinking. It was a completely new ship.

[@Fred_the_1996]

The kuznetsov is only so terrible because of a lack of maintenance and running its engines when docked, when it was new it was a very modern ship

[@subjectc7505]

When it was apart of the USSR and technically Ukraine. The Kuznetsov didn't have the problems it has now due to it being new.

[@blackhatch46]

90s carriers had way more varied aircraft with more mission sets that would have helped a lot. An EA6B for example would have a huge effect.

[@darthkarl99]

DCS doesn;t simulate area jamming so they'd do nothing.

[@blackhatch46]

@darthkarl99 I know. Just saying as an example for the real scenario. There are many others.

[@geraldaffeldt8228]

One thing I noticed is the harpoons were not sea skimming, making them much easier to hit.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh annoyingly we cant control the missiles when AI fire them.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

The Harpoons may have been fired at maximum range, so to conserve fuel they automatically increase altitude and optimize fuel use

[@tanksoldier]

Phoenix was really designed to shoot down Bear bombers with nuke cruise missiles, not primarily for anti-fighter use, probably why so many missed fighters.

[@LorenPechtel]

Yup, it was meant to hit sitting ducks at very long range, it simply doesn't have the maneuverability to hit stuff that evades well.

[@user-ft2zc5or9d]

Yesterday the Houthi terrorists in Yemen shot down a US drone and the USS Eisenhower CSG is set to pass right by Yemen on its way to the Persian Gulf. It would be interesting to a scenario where the Houthis try and attack the carrier.. the CSG consists of 1 Nimitz carrier, 1 Ticonderoga, and 3 Arleigh Burkes, no F-35s that im aware of just FA-18s.. as far as the weapons the Houthis have I know they have medium range ballistic missiles, land attack cruise missiles and anti ship missiles (probably subsonic) im not sure if the ballistic missiles can target ships but maybe someone else will know that information

[@user-nl6pj1bf7z]

We’re all going to die

[@alenboudreau2697]

@@user-nl6pj1bf7zagreed

[@RisenThe]

They do that, and their tunnels could reach to the center of the earth and still not protect them from the hell that will follow.

[@surters]

@@RisenTheDon't think that they would consider that before shooting ....

[@willwozniak2826]

The Americans responded with 2 old F 15s.....and struck a few targets.

[@Jamenator1]

A lot of people commenting about the AIM-54 performance being bad. In real life it wasn't exactly a wonder weapon either. Although Iran claims good overall success with it. There are only 3 confirmed uses by US F-14s and all 3 missed. According to Wiki, on 2 of those 3, the missile's rocket motors failed. Real life as so many other variables such as general reliability and human error to contend with. I'd say the in game performance was not beyond the realms of possibility against a jamming, manoeuvring enemy.

[@92HazelMocha]

It should be noted that Iran only employed them in SARH mode and at short range which probably contributed greatly to their success with them.

[@Bender_94]

F-14 on the thumbnail = like before I even press play.

[@pahtar7189]

A big difference between the Harpoon and the Neptune is that the Neptune was sea-skimming, so couldn't be detected at a great distance, especially in choppy conditions.

[@bigk5203]

@@desolatesurvivalgaming8412 The Harpoon was also sea skimming till the final stage where it did a pop-up maneuver to come in on top of the ship.

[@grimreapers]

Roger noted.

[@emfournet]

Extremely excited to see you guys back on planet earth for scenarios! Keep up the good work.

[@chaimp0003]

Suggestion: 2x Russian 1990s carrier group vs 1x 2020s UK CSG (with Type 26).

[@92HazelMocha]

90's carrier groups* Kuznetsof wasn't even operational until the 90's.

[@totalnerd5674]

@@92HazelMochaThere’s the Kiev, but the Yak38 complement isn’t in game yet

[@chaimp0003]

@@92HazelMocha Thanks for pointing it out, I've changed it.

[@dexlab7539]

Well done Cap and boys - always love realistic battles! 😊

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

Russia had no carrier based AEW so detecting targets and guiding anti-ship missiles would have been much harder, required TU95 bear patrolling probably but that was always a drawback; Russian planes would also be carrying limited payload (no catapult)

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

There were sattelite networks that could designate target’s for those asm

[@michaeljohnson4258]

A Soviet tactic was for the Bear to use its Big Bulge radar for over the horizon targeting support for both sub and surface launched cruise missiles.

[@KRDecade2009]

@@michaeljohnson4258hence the flight of the vampire chapter in red storm rising

[@MAYDAYSIMULATIONS]

As per usual some pretty mathematically perfect missle evasion from the su 27's🤔Also..... other than a first standoff shot keep the Phoenix shots to 20 or less to make them effective against fighters

[@TheAmazingSnarf]

I suspect Soviet Iceman and Soviet Merlin are flying all of these SU27s. Just a guess.

[@92HazelMocha]

Aim54's are comically easy to dodge, especially when TWS'd. Iirc the IRIAF said that during the war with Iraq they exclusively used their aim54's as Fox1's due to the abysmal PK when fired as Fox3's.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh what terrible performance from 54's today.

[@Four9sFineJewelry]

Legend has it, some of those Phoenix missiles are still orbiting the earth today.

[@dexlab7539]

I heard that one hit a balloon 😂

[@bigk5203]

Having served in VF-142 Ghostriders F-14 squadron in the 80's and 90's I can tell you your simulation is mostly right except that the F-14 was an awesome dog fighter and usually came out on top. The Phoenix was designed to attack bombers so performance didn't have to be great except if it was still under power then it was pretty formidable.

[@nathanfain6394]

I have seen people say that the F-14 was a better plane then the F-18 but was more expensive to maintain. What do you think?

[@kingoftheneeks3623]

​@@nathanfain6394the f-14 was a better fleet defense craft but the f-18 was smaller, more reliable, can still hold its own in A2A very well, cheaper, and able to perform multiple different duties like fleet defense, ground attack, electronic warfare and had better electronics.

[@whitehorse4318]

​@@nathanfain6394 I was stationed on the USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71. The F14 was just and A2A, a one trick pony. So big (10 aircraft and was always in maintenance). Needs two people to be effective. F18 only needs one person to be effective.

[@trevorday7923]

The Tomcat is still the most sexy. It just is.

[@CMDRSweeper]

The AGM84 also spurred on problems and questions if there was enough of them to deal damage in a fight like this way back in the 90s. I still remember that debate as someone had gone through the reports and found a massive discrepancy between missiles produced and missiles fielded, meaning there was a Harpoon missile shortage and they were being shuffled around between the US fleets to cover it up. A lot of interesting debates on this subject in the late 90s to early 2000s amongst "wargamers" Of course at that time the great equalizer was the TASM or Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile, but that one required a ship or submarine to be deployed.

[@hugeinjapan4635]

Ahhh...this was MY time. I was on CG-67 in the 90s.

[@grimreapers]

Nice

[@leepatterson5710]

One thing that is missing from these scenarios to make it more realistic is to add in some UFO/UAPs. Cap can you add them like easter eggs without telling your boys?

[@92HazelMocha]

Cap, it would be interesting to see a 1989 scenario. Soviet's lose a Slava-class and the Kuznetsof but gain land based anti-ship bombers. The US is essentially unchanged except the F/A18's have Aim7's instead of AMRAAM's.

[@grimreapers]

LOL we are so similar. Literally what we are doing today :)

[@92HazelMocha]

@@grimreapers great minds think alike!

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

From my time as an Aviation Ordnance tech on the Theodore Roosevelt I was directly involved with the missile loadouts on all the aircraft that carried missiles. In peacetime you were absolutely right Cap, a Tom would never patrol with 4 Phoenix. The standard L/O was 2-3-2. Or 2-1-4 if they were configured for ACM. But always just 2 -54-C's (all Mk47 types. I never seen a Mk60 motor in my career) The only time a Tom would have 4 -54C's would be in hot shooting war with inbound hostiles confirmed. So, your scenario is spot on.

[@subjectc7505]

Is it possible y'all can do fictional battles with fictional assets? Like Caps ideal stealth fighter vs Simba's ideal stealth or Grim reaper conflict? Each member is a fictional country and you can battle each others countries 👀.

[@grimreapers]

Anything is possible, it's just the time it takes to make and test the various assets.

[@dinoapostolakos9076]

Unfortunately the harpoon being used was t the sea skimmer with pop up feature. AGM-84D would have been used

[@Dirtyharry70585]

You forgotten the tow ships for the Russian carrier😂

[@mrlodwick]

LOVE THIS.

[@ilejovcevski79]

Hey Cap! On the performance of AI planes, it's been a while since i've done these AI VS AI battles, and you can never be sure with ED constant changes to AI scripting (often not included in patch notes), but the last time i looked, setting the AI to ace didn't always result in best actual in game performance. It's highly dependent on platform, and required some trial and error. In the case of the F-14, F-18, Su-27 and the like, veteran used to work better then ace, while the MiG-15, MiG-21, F-16 worked better on ace. Phoenix specific, from my experience, the AI used to work best if you set the script to fire halfway between max and optimal range. Might be worth experimenting if these settings are still valid though. I may do some sanitized tests this weekend if get the chance and will write to you of the results. Cheers and keep up with the good work. Always loved these cold war scenarios much better then the ultra-modern stuff. EDIT: the 4x2x2x2 loadout for the F-14 in fleet defense role, isn't unrealistic at all. In fact, at least according to manuals, it's exactly what it's called. Fleet defense load :D

[@radical137]

I would like to see F-14D simulated, there weren't that many of them, but it was a significant upgrade for the squadrons that got them.

[@MAYDAYSIMULATIONS]

Someday🤞#irst.....I think the number of D's was around 50

[@CAL1MBO]

Nah. It's a marginal improvement at best. Overhyped. Much better things to have.

[@radical137]

@@CAL1MBO Super Hornet was the best choice over continuing to upgrade Tomcat. no argument. the F-14D's were much better, better engines, better radar, fly-by-wire avionics all the way around, some of the shortfalls of the original Tomcat were addressed. Some secret stuff. it was ALOT better by any metric than F-14A's still in use at the time. I was there for the rollout.

[@jamesdavis4307]

So technically, there could be an Iowa class battleship in that carrier group too 😜

[@user-ho1fg8xm3i]

great vid , and not the result I expected.

[@lonurad1259]

Loving how this is set up. Definitely smarter to move away from modern/future ones. (I realise that might sound sarcastic, it isn't)

[@stormboy1517]

GR make things go Danger Zone...

[@simba1113]

as the song plays in my head

[@SmithandWesson22A]

A lot like the classic game Harpoon scenarios I made for myself. Nice.

[@cornbread5144]

@CAP & GR. Could you think about using the S3 Viking in a battle with it's weapons?

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@BIGJATPSU]

Slightly disappointed you didn't include the Kuznetsov's standard 2 tugboats in the Russian fleet. 😅😅😅😅

[@estonedreveldo735]

Hey cap! A interesting video idea would be to take a typically land based ground to air missle and strapping it to like a b-52 and seeing what insane ranges. Puld be therorehtically pulled off, such as strapping a patriot to said b-52 or strapping sa-10s to a tu-160 for the hell of it! Thanks for your time and efforts!

[@jwimpeney]

I don't know if it's a bug or how the Phoenix worked in real life, but if you lose TWS lock very early on into the phoenixe's launch, when it's still pointing up, it just gives up trying to track and flies into a straight line to the moon.

[@ChrisJ101]

Have You looked into doing the future battles wit E-7 sentry? Or are there DCS limitations, regarding range?

[@Wolfe351]

I have used the E7 Wedgetail mod in a practice mission and it works just as well as a E2D or E3 Sentry....you can find the mod on dcs user files can't recall who made it

[@grimreapers]

The existing AWACS in game can see over 300 miles so not sure we really want to see further than that?

[@36363ace]

Phoenix's are mainly designed for bomber intercepts? Not really great at shooting maneuvering targets. Let me know if this is incorrect.

[@92HazelMocha]

No, that is correct. Aim54's are very bad at tracking maneuvering targets like fighters.

[@deanb4799]

Nothing will ever come close to the Tomcat in my book.

[@zacshaheen8286]

This is my version of watching a football game 😂

[@grimreapers]

Same

[@tonyroberts4807]

90s cv would also have S-3s that can do anti-ship with harpoons. Missed the opportunity to show off the new model.

[@grimreapers]

Ah yes keep forgetting this :(

[@chrisstopher2277]

When Dcs updates does it screw up all the GR planes and missiles? seems like a lot of work but you do a great job sir.

[@RichieKeane]

Great content and good to have you back, i think I've broke YT only get 7 yo stuff i put in watch later now :(.. Only problem with scenario is there was no CIS vessels moving mid 90's unless they were being sold under the table.. Pretty sure Kirov was in the dock for most of 90's? Always loved that one..

[@grimreapers]

Annoyingly you have to check the GR channel manually to see new vids :(

[@RichieKeane]

They’ve changed something recently. It’s showing me 4-7yo stuff I put to watch later and ignores a lot of blocked content and tries to show via different users. Check by subs now hence found this latest

[@ck12ms]

That´s wierd i get your vids in my recommended every time@@grimreapers

[@tomyochum]

I understand why you added it, but it really ruins the accuracy of this when you give the Russians an AWACS. This is one of the biggest advantages of having a "supercarrier": full sized AEW and ECM planes. The Russians only ever had a handful of A-50 planes that could have supported if close to land, but that would require coordination and likely wouldn't provide 24/7 coverage. Bear recon planes could provide surface search but not air search. Long-winded post to ask for another version where Russians have no AWACS support. It likely results in a US beatdown, but it would be "realistic". (Need DCS to add electronic warfare and realistic submarine warfare to get an actual realistic result, but that would be clubbing baby seals...) Edited out typos...

[@92HazelMocha]

I mean realistic means 1 Slava class and no Kuznetsof. Bears did recon, but mainly for the Soviet union, not really for Russia. So yeah it would be a beat down.

[@grimreapers]

I'm not sure AWACS really made much difference. None of these planes can fire missile on datalink . I think the aircraft also could have been vectored by the ship's radars?

[@tomyochum]

@grimreapers The ships couldn't have launched their SSMs until they were either right on top of the US ships, or more likely a helicopter got within range for its radar. Either way the US side has a major advantage and can patiently take out all the fighters first, then concentrate all their airpower on an overwhelming strike. Also, if the Russian ships are driving around with radars on they are advertising their positions. Again, you aren't simulating a scenario where the two fleets have to search for each other, but if you did, the AWACS difference would have virtually guaranteed the US found Russia without being found, which would give them a major advantage. All that said... what I REALLY wish DCS could provide is the ECM situation. An actual strike would have Prowlers leading with jamming, and a time-on-target attack with HARMs followed minutes later by Harpoons. I still very much enjoy the videos!

[@LorenPechtel]

@@tomyochum When our AWACS found the Russian carrier they would have been aware of it--but that's not good enough to launch their anti-ship missiles. Their planes would have run into our entire air wing armed for air-to-air, once the air war was over they would back and load up the Harpoons and sink the Russian fleet that was trying to get away. The Russian approach of putting your strike missiles on the ships means the missiles can be far more potent than anything a carrier based aircraft could carry, but it denies flexibility and is a major liability if those missiles are still there when the Harpoons come in.

[@occamraiser]

It just goes to show what a major asset the Moskva was. Old though it was. I had listened to the 'black sea fleet has had a kicking' comments with a pinch of salt, but perhaps those neptunes and drones have really affected the balance of power at sea in 2022/23

[@emmata98]

44:10 I mean next would be a rearm and doing anti-ship again with wild weaseling of the f14

[@neilcarter77]

Wouldn’t there be a OHP frigate, with the USN fleet?

[@DirtyHairy1]

for shoveling work, could you just place a vehicle with a 20mm cannon on the carrier? or would that not work, or just not be fun? :)

[@totalnerd5674]

He can’t put stuff on the deck

[@Four9sFineJewelry]

If Simba wants to live out his Top Gun dreams let Simba live out his Top Gun dreams. Never mind the fact it’s an antique (but way better looking) plane than the F-18. lol

[@simba1113]

I'm a peacock Cap, you have to left me fly.🤣

[@Four9sFineJewelry]

@@simba1113 and jazz hands. Definitely gotta have jazz hands.

[@seanthomas2906]

Cool Rim gapeing

[@nathanfain6394]

I wonder how the Tomcat would have performed with upgrades in the mid to late 90s. that would be an interesting "What If"

[@djuice1701]

There was ever only 2 Neustrashimy class frigates built.

[@grimreapers]

I thought there was 7. May bad.

[@SneakyFishy]

One thing I personally have seen in 2.9, is (Core game) R-27ER Alamos behaving as Fox-3s. Even with the launching (AI) aircraft turning 180 degrees away, it tracks and hits. Not sure what that's all about.

[@92HazelMocha]

Are you jamming? R27R and ER have HOJ so if you have a jammer on they will track you.

[@SneakyFishy]

@@92HazelMocha No, no jammer. Do AI HOJ play by different rules than player launched ones? As a player it seems you need to lock the jam signal before launch to get HOJ.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@SneakyFishy It depends on the missile. This was actually discussed in the ED forums, apparently the R27 can switch to HOJ in flight if it becomes jammed, however it can't switch back to SARH mode after switching to HOJ. In other words you should be able to spoof the missile by cycling your jammer (based on noise jamming, but unfortunately those are the only type of jammer we have in the sim)

[@BBCRF]

​@@92HazelMochano,wrong

[@EjNappe]

A few issues with this simulation. I'm not sure if it is just the limitations in the software, but the US Carrier should have several more aircraft types on it. Also, the CSG is missing a Oliver Hazard Perry Frigate, and the first Arleigh Burke flight IIA destroyer wasnt commissioned until 2000.

[@Wolfe351]

a 90s CBG would be still older cruisers (a pair of CGNs if its a CVN)a early Tico class, a Leahy or Belknap CG a couple of ASW ships Spruances, Knox class and a couple of Perrys

[@watcherzero5256]

F-18 on the deck after being swiss cheesed by 3 strafing runs... "This is probably fine"

[@willwozniak2826]

The sexy Tomcats....NICE. these old school battles....

[@Archer89201]

Maybe same simulation with the VMF being supported by their main arm Tu-22 with anti ship missiles and Su-24s with anti radiation missile to make the threat against USN bigger

[@funkytownjedi]

🔥🔥🔥 love the Su30 , more su34 mods please 🙏🏾

[@Bohdan_Medvedskyy]

17:43 Tomcat 12.8 G. 25:34 15.4 G (or 16.4) OK - I hear the crunching of the structure and the pilot's spine.

[@Decrepit_biker]

Can you do an Invincible class group against the kuznetzov group... maybe 2 Invincibles??

[@grimreapers]

OK

[@AxlePlaysGames]

Don’t really know much about aircraft (more of a tanker tbh) but I’m considering going into weapons development/maintenance in the future (I’m 15 atm) but I’m going to assume the reason jets could carry loads of missiles was in order to carry air to ground payloads as well, but obviously for air defence bombs and rockets are unnecessary therefore the pylons are left empty?

[@layneanderson9582]

The other issue is that the US group will have their own Anti ship missle capabilities that would also launch also, but the aircraft will deplete the Russian defensive capabilities.

[@DarkMight117]

How many people dismiss the briefing?

[@voradfils]

Has Super-C ever tried unjamming a catapult by jumping into the offending plane from a game master slot? You can take over AI planes if they are human-flyable, at least in SP.

[@grimreapers]

Sadly not poss. Planes in game are either AI or human, can;t be both.

[@Pillow_Cat]

​@@grimreapers in single player its possible to take control of unit by RAlt+J if mission settings allowed, so 4example you can jump in your AI wingman plane after sudden death in mission 🤔 maybe just not correct settings are checked in editor, we guessing.

[@DragNetJoe]

That order of battle is highly unrealistic. In the 90's you had either 1 or 2 F-14 squadron airwings. A two F-14 squadron airwing is 20-22 F-14s. 2 F-18 squadrons, about the same (22-24). You also have 6 EA=6B and either an A-6 squadron (12-16) or more FA-18s (another 12 minimum). Other airwings with one F-14 squadron was a single "super" squadron of 16 Tomcats and 4 FA-18 squadrons. The most you can realistically get airborne is about 75% of that. There is NO WAY the Russians could get anywhere close to 24 SU-33s airborne. Maybe 10.

[@djzoodude]

Why were the Harpoons flying so high? They are supposed to be sea skimming missiles.

[@grimreapers]

In game they don't go low until 20 miles out from target.

[@djzoodude]

@@grimreapers ah, ok. Renders them rather ineffective then...

[@Wolfe351]

in single player I can still get decent long range 54 kills against Mig29s and Flankers but you have to be at 40k and Mach1+, I like to do a pair of TWS shots and crank to gimble limits to maintain lock. Kills often depend on what mood the AI is in !

[@PaPaFiggy69]

Tht loadout on the tomcat is a real as it gets from carriers only thing is im pretty sure they dont fill them up all the way when loaded like tht

[@92HazelMocha]

They didn't. Iirc Ward Carrol (who flew the F14 during the cold war) said the standard was 2-2-2, 2 aim9's, 2 aim7's and 2 aim54's.

[@grimreapers]

Those AIM-54 missiles weighed a huge amount. Imagine the extra stress it puts on the frames lugging those around 24 hours per day.

[@Kaggles-ih3pu]

Phoenixs are doing weird job in DCS these days. They are worse than AMRAAM at 70nm+ range even in terms of kinematic aspect

[@voradfils]

17:41 Even AI Tomcat pulls 12G

[@paVlo711]

why the disparity in aircraft numbers?

[@JRMshadow260a]

Sorry to be an arse but you had the U.S. Aircraft make up and numbers also wrong strike force make up; which is what you set up not a fleet. You also have a numeral ops on the Russa's fleet and A/C make up.. And you had to blow up half of one of the F/A-18 squadrons.. I know the difficulties with DCS programing and I am horrible at it. The game doesn't have the corp. planies, Like the A-6E, S-3, Hawkeye, EA-6B's, etc... All 90's AC in the US.. I'm not as familiar with the missiles however the talks I've had with fighter pilots talked about how impossible to lock and shoot down.. Mostly because of the mechanical radars. Maneuvering will cause failure with lock and other issues.. Russian's had similar problem with there radars.. Though there radars are more stout and very pwr'ful (tx pwr) but have to fly a little nicer if your relying on your rdr for a fight.. They use to jam with sharp turns. That's from guys I talked to from another navy on one of my cruises. The US tends to put more accurate information to there public then the dictatorial/ Communist minded government does to there people.. Mostly because they just don't want or even able to contemplate working with the world to make the world better instead of worst.. Anyway I'm a fan of your channels.. GL old boy...

[@ivanandriyanov4426]

I was just freaking out how AI doesn't use FOX-3 on F-14, instead GOING IN STUPID CLOSE QUARTERS FIGHT!!!

[@OrIoN1989]

I would like a 2024 NATO vs BRIC full out deathmatch. Probably not doable?

[@elementaleighteight]

So..what if we just used weather manipulation to disable the aegis arrays with hail

[@cuoresportivo155]

I'm not sure the prolonged battle would be in favour of the americans, as the Russian carrier group would stay in range of the TU-22 bombers, and possibly land based flankers

[@gavin1506]

Looking at this you have similar tactics for each fleet. However is it possible to set the Russians into a line formation to release their missiles? They would then go into a defensive formation. it's extremely interesting. SM2 was the mainstay of Americans and the Seawolf the Brits. In each case the missile wasn't the issue, it was the radar seeking the targets. Hence why the missiles with upgrades are still used today.

[@terencyowens9491]

This. but with bomber support on both sides.

[@henryarnett1583]

let’s goooooooo

[@streetcop157]

You forgot the Russian tug for knutzev

[@edwardlittle5686]

Why didn't the US ships ever fire their Tomahawk missiles? They have a range of over 500 miles, and even if none got through, they would have drained the Russian SAMs. But I have to say, that this is probably the most realistic depiction of Phoenix missiles I've seen in DCS. They were intended for shooting down non-maneuvering bombers, not fighters. And the only time in my career I was involved in a Phoenix shoot, it just dropped into the sea and never even ignited.

[@grimreapers]

Tomahawks in 90's could not be used against ships.

[@LorenPechtel]

90s Tomahawks did not have a search radar, they just followed the plotted course to the boom point. Thus they could only hit non-moving targets.

[@mattcrad8605]

I would actually prefer to see more cold war/Vietnam era stuff. Something about newer stuff feels less romantic like a Tesla.

[@nathanfain6394]

Can you do a battle in bad weather?

[@AndiKravljaca]

Fleet Defender campaign here we come!

[@tummie420]

Hey Cap, wouldn't it be correct to assume that Russia would never have an entire ACC full of brand spanking new planes, and would probably still have some if not most of the previous gen (SU-27)?

[@Wolfe351]

maybe need to do some checks to see how the AIM54s are performing compared to last time you tested?? seemed to be very bad now compared to the test ages ago, maybe they have nerfed it too much now (or being fired by the AI with no regard for other hostiles shooting back?)

[@grimreapers]

I've given up with them. They've changed so many times that I've now lost interest.

[@Wolfe351]

@@grimreapers Roger that mate!!

[@Lyndonberg_Gaming]

Wonder if they rearmed with the new ai

[@JaneCobbsHat]

The russian navy group is wrong. There is not going to be two Slavas together with Kirov. in the escort screen. I would set the escort screen as 1 Kirov (or one Slava). 1- 2 Sovriemienny, 1-2 Udaloy 1 or II. 1-2 Krivak I or II (don't know which are in game but something like that would be more realistic). So you would have one giant area defense platform in the form of Kirov, 2-3 anti shippers (Kirov and Sov) and the rest on ASW duty. Similarly for US you are not going to have six AEGIS platforms with the CVN in the 90s. I would substitute one Burke for a Spruance and another one for OHP frigate. Maybe another one for Kidd. Kidd being area defense capable but not AEGIS, OHP being weak area defense and Spruance only local. Also you could substitute one of Ticos for a California or Virginia.

[@FalcoGer]

Any anti ship strike would be supported by offensive ECM.

[@cassius_eu5970]

I don't think you should give the F-14s an unrealistic loadout just to be "competitive". The US already got more than 2x as many aircraft as Russia in this scenario, so there isn't a need for faux equivalence. If both sides should always be equal to each other regardless of realism, Russia would have needed more planes too.

[@GrumpyGamerGuy]

Ok, but, can you give USA Super Tomcats and try again? I know, it's silly...

[@catcherjk5597]

i think the reason the aim-54 where so bad early on ai where firing them at like 10000-12000 feet never got high

[@grimreapers]

Yup

[@Wolfe351]

it would have been 24 F14 and 36 F18.....12 to sqn

[@renee18101]

Do the udaloy destroyer modernized

[@mikeb213]

How about you guys do a Pearl Harbor with as close as you can get to the assets that were there except with Russia and China vs USA. I know they don't have the carriers yet, but it would be interesting to see what it might look like.

[@Evocati-Augusti]

The reason why the AIM-54 Phoenix weren't as great as they were supposed to be ,was because some of the money ...well a lot was used down the street at the Brookhaven Labs Project Phoenix .

[@LukeBunyip]

Love the Cold War whatifs/reenactments

[@drcruelty]

Big realism failure, where is the tug that would be towing Kuznetsov?

[@mattl3729]

Oh my beauiful Tomcats... 😢

[@AmirShafeek]

You've done a lot of ship battles but not Type 45 vs. arliegh burke Cap

[@grimreapers]

Just recorded it.

[@AmirShafeek]

@@grimreapers yessss