Grizzly T10010ANV 10 Inch Wet Grinder Kit First Impression

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Unemployed Redneck Hillbilly Creations

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Unpacking and first use of a new Grizzly 10 inch wet grinder kit.

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@chrisreeves8037
@chrisreeves8037 2 жыл бұрын
The "stropping wheel" is crap. It wears out to metal in a few hours. The leather seemed to make up of pressed cowhide slivers, or fragments. Here is what I did to solve the problem. I cleaned all the old pieces off the wheel. I found a piece of leather strap for replacement which was an old gun sling. I cut it to length then doped up the two contact faces with yellow contact glue. The strap was held into place with two zip ties until it dried for 24 hours. I did this five years back, and expect five more from the modified stropping wheel. To conclude no other complaints regarding the wet grinder. It sharpens my butchers knife and all kitchen knives to razor sharpness. For the price, I recommend it.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea. My strop wheel is shot and I was getting ready to replace it. I will try just replacing the leather. I am surprised mine still works with no problems for the price. Thanks for watching.
@Charles-A
@Charles-A 4 жыл бұрын
Your chisels have nothing wrong with them. Old tools have a history and age with you. I rescued more or less a year ago a chisel that belonged to my dear late grandfather from my grandmother's house. I had to grind the edge quite a bit since my grandpa used to cut copper wire with it, so it had some noticeable nicks on the edge. Funny thing is I had to use a cheap coarse sharpening stone to grind it to a point where I could give it a smooth edge. Good 40 minutes spent on that single tool. I've used it since I started learning woodcarving and it's my favourite chisel. Resilient, holds one hell of an edge for long and I've kept it sharp, restored the handle, polished the rusted steel and etched my family's name with nitric acid. It's something I cherish and use constantly.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
They still work great for me and hold a edge so will continue to use them. It's funny how many of the lower end products from years ago are just as good if not better then the top of the line items currently made. This grizzly sharpener sure makes it easy to keep them razor sharp. Thanks for watching.
@dhc4ever
@dhc4ever 4 жыл бұрын
I have a schappach version of this, came with a set of grizzly guides. They do the job, sometimes well sometimes not well. The trueing attachment is junk the chinese manufactures seem to think they can rip you of by not using diamond in the cutter tip. The tormak stone dresser is an engineering work of art, well made and very effective, if very spendy, but it works which is more than can be said regarding the knockoff version.Yes the tormak stuff fits your guide rod. Yes thread one of the legs on the support rod and fit a nut, well worth the time. Pull the grinding wheel and clean of the rust growing on the shaft, use rust remover and the grease coat it to slow the rust down, the water that wheel sucks up goes all the way through to the shaft and youll find it perpetually wet. For the price these are a good base to build on.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
This has worked good for me so far. I see they had a huge price increase recently that kills the affordability. I drain it after each use and no rust yet. Thanks for watching.
@roberthornwoodturner
@roberthornwoodturner 5 жыл бұрын
I have had the same set of chisels for 25+ years. I keep them sharp and they do what I need very well. Anyone who makes fun of them might just be jealous that you have such a full set after so long. Thanks for the review.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
My set should last another 25 years with this sharpener. They seem to be holding the edge well. They came from Seven Corners Ace Hardware / Tools on Sale. Thanks for watching.
@DaveB-gm9pj-j2t
@DaveB-gm9pj-j2t 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what chisels you have, what matters if they are sharp that's all. With this machine you could sharpen a lump of metal and it would work
@arthurchaves5208
@arthurchaves5208 6 жыл бұрын
Watch every production; enjoy, appreciate, and learning lots. Thank You!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching them. That is what KZbin is about.
@paulsullivan9117
@paulsullivan9117 Жыл бұрын
I just purchase a Wen grinding system and with that I also bought the multi guide kit. I bought it through Amazon and the first unit arrived with the top of the grinder caved in, due to gorrilla shippers!! I am now waiting for the second grinder to arrive this coming Tuesday... glad I used Amazon!! Thanks for the thorough walk through, can hardly wait to try mine out and by the way... wish my chisels were as in as good of shape as yours!!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Жыл бұрын
Shippers do damage many heavy boxes. The price on this Grizzly one is ridiculous today, hope the webn one works out for you. Thanks for watching.
@jayanddenissejones6648
@jayanddenissejones6648 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent info and I've never even thought of a wet grinder! I've always used a dry grinder like my dad BUT after seeing your Grizzly I'm totally going to get one!!! Thanks again Paul!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It works good without overheating the steel. Thanks for watching.
@davidstepeck2644
@davidstepeck2644 5 жыл бұрын
Don't laugh, are you kidding? That is a GREAT chisel set! Wood handles and a wooden box. Great set!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
They have filed my needs. They were the lowest cost chisels at the time and are made of high quality steel. Thanks for watching.
@denisstanley6546
@denisstanley6546 4 жыл бұрын
My chisels sharpened on a belt sander on slow and finr paper with a little oil. Same as my electric planers and axes and outdoor knives and machetes. My sharpe kitchen knives have a special 3 x 2 knife sharpener or i have wilshire staysharps in their sharpening scabads. Problem with stone sharpeners is getting one fine enought. A dremel with a very small sharpenning stone and the dremel knife sharpener to keep the sharpening angle the same actually works quite well and give very little heat to the knife blade. My puma white hunter it honed with a very hard very flat stone to get a razor edge.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
I use a lansky sharpener for my knives. It follows the angle and gives a razor sharp edge very quickly if the blade has no major damage with zero heat. This works great for chisels and I have a horizontal makita machine for planer blades. Thanks for watching.
@MrJohnnyboyrebel
@MrJohnnyboyrebel 5 жыл бұрын
Your experience mirrors mine. I also bought the accessory kit for sharpening lathe chisels. That kit comes with a stone for trueing the wheel, but additionally reducing the grit to 400 or so. I’m not too keen on the job the trueing stone did. But my lathe tools are now wicked sharp!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
It's great for a home shop that doesn't use it constantly. I am very happy with the job it does. Do have to make som fixtures when I get a chance. Thanks for watching.
@Dobbo2958
@Dobbo2958 6 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video please keeps us informed of any jigs you make for this. Thanks again.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It works good for fast material removal without heat damage. I will make some videos when I figure out what is needed and build them. Thanks for watching.
@charlesschuster7963
@charlesschuster7963 9 ай бұрын
This may be real old school, but I'd think some valve grinding compound will be useable if/when the Griz goop is gone. I have an old leather belt that just snapped, I'd use that on the honing wheel, attached with some contact cement (that trick was mentioned somewhere below). Seems that overall you have had a good experience with this one - I think I have one coming from Christmas and it will see a lot of use to hone my box of chisels. I surely do like sharp tools!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 9 ай бұрын
Not old school, I bet it would work. I will have to try some. I have a tube in the garage that hasn't been used for years. It still seems ok and the stone hasn't cracked yet. Thanks for watching.
@speedbuggy0542
@speedbuggy0542 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a little envious, I purchased the exact same unit at the same time for the Fathers Day special. My stone is definitely not true and mine was missing the shipping strap as well. I was actually pretty disappointed in the performance of the machine. It has approximately 15 minutes of use on it and has been stored ever since. I wish you all the best with yours. I enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Did you contact Grizzly? They should replace the stone if it is not right. This has worked great for me so far. It seems to be luck of the draw with these offshore tools. Thanks for watching.
@johnklein4558
@johnklein4558 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely contact Grizzly. They have a good customer service reputation.
@WilliamAlanPhoto
@WilliamAlanPhoto 6 жыл бұрын
I got one of these two years ago. I didn’t have the manufacturing defects that you’ve shown here. Everything was as expected. I agree that the jigs seem to be a little wobbly, but I have a friend with a Tormek, and his seems to be the same. You are right, it is amazing how much water you need to get the wheel properly saturated, but it’s worth it. When you are sharpening on a film of water, and it is washing away the debris, it’s awesome! It is a great addition to the shop, and a quick way to repair improperly ground cutting edges. If you are only sharpening chisels on this, you would not need to move the guide bar, but I find that sharpening various different tools, the guide bar does not stay in the same place for all things. You have to move it up or down to get the right sharpening angle, depending on what you are sharpening. I agree that it is kind of a pain to have to move front or back of the machine, depending on what you are sharpening I’ve thought about building a dedicated mount for it with a lazy Susan so I could turn it around as needed. (I think you sharpened the chisel with the wheel going the wrong direction, but that is probably opening up an argument between everyone who believes one way or the other about the direction the stone should be traveling to sharpen… And I’m not trying to pick a fight with anyone) You can actually change the grit of your course stone back and forth between its course grit, and a finer one by getting a dressing stone. Grizzly has the best price on these, and there are videos on youtube that explain how to use it. I was amazed when I first saw it, and couldn’t believe it works, but it does! The Grizzly item number is T24707. It is kind of a pain to dress the stone for the finer grit, but it’s easier and cheaper than buying different grit wheels. I look forward to see what kind of other jigs you may make!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I have always sharpened turning the stone into the blade and honed with it turning away from the blade and that is how this one is setup to work. It works good for fixing damaged edges quickly. I also have the makita wet machine with 500, 1000, and 2500 grit wet stones for a better finish but don't like to set it up and use it with narrow blades that can ruin the flatness of the stone face . The price is amazing for this grinder and I wonder if they are going to discontinue it and return to the green one. I don't believe you can change the grit by dressing, it must just smooth out the face temporarily to make it less aggressive. This is not a true wetstone like the makita, it seems to be a very hard stone that just uses water for a lubricant. I have been thinking about a lazy susan also to make it easier to use. It was well worth the price.Thanks for watching.
@5199John
@5199John 3 жыл бұрын
William, do you have the jigs for scissors/knives and ax? Whenever I use those, the water washes off onto the top of the unit or onto my work bench. do you have that problem? Poor design IMHO.
@WilliamAlanPhoto
@WilliamAlanPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@5199John Yes. It is messy. I've been thinking to make a shroud from plastic that would route the water back into the tray, but it's pretty far down on the list of things to do. Haha!
@mikedickson2925
@mikedickson2925 6 жыл бұрын
Sharp tools make a world of difference. With this unit you will be able to have nice sharp tools and make a world of difference!!!! Happy 4th of July and Canada Day too!!!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
This works good for quickly cleaning up damaged edges. I hope you also have a happy 4th of July and Canada day. Thanks for watching.
@EagleRun23
@EagleRun23 6 жыл бұрын
I sharpen lots of knives on my channel. would consider 2500 a good medium stone. It's a machine so it can take away lots of material quickly, but isnt the "polish" I would consider ideal, as you agreed with! 5000-10000 is great! I bet it relies a lot on the strop wheel to do the work of the "polish" Great video! love your channel.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I have a Makita wet grinder with 3 different stones set up for planer blades and you do not have to strop with that machine.This one has a very coarse stone that needs a polishing to make it sharp enough to use. I think it is a good solution for us that were using dry wheels that can blue an edge quickly and wet stones for final sharpening that take a lot of effort and it was only the price of a good Japanese water stone. Thanks for watching.
@davidbrown4449
@davidbrown4449 2 жыл бұрын
We use to call those sharp points on the welds "scorpion tails". They'll get your attention.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great name for them. Thanks for watching.
@EvoKeremidarov
@EvoKeremidarov 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review.. I found it very helpful.. Looks like bang for your buck
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
It is an affordable way to sharpen chisels and planes. Mine works good and with some fixtures should be able to handle many different blades. Hopefully the bushings and drive motors will stand up over time. Thanks for watching.
@Stranglewood
@Stranglewood Жыл бұрын
Great review - thank you!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@chriskennedy7534
@chriskennedy7534 3 жыл бұрын
First video I've watched Love the name 😁 Wouldn't have guessed it by the sound of you
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That's what my wife called things I made after being laid off and dropping out of the workforce years ago so I used it for my channel name when starting on KZbin. Thanks for watching.
@ligngood3787
@ligngood3787 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, $119! They want $250 for it now! Nice video, very helpful! Thanks
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely would not pay that for it. Thanks for watching.
@er.7755
@er.7755 5 жыл бұрын
Looking between these cheap Asian made wet grinders and a Tormek T4 I’d have to sat yes the Tormek is twice the money but it has a 7 year warranty, stainless shafts, angle finder, stone grater and the guides are already threaded. In my mind if they are willing to warranty their product for 7 years it’s probably built to last not to mention the fit and finish. I thank you for the honest in depth viewing but for my money I thing you definitely get what you pay for.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
The t8 with 10 inch stone costs 6 times what I paid for this and may last longer but this one fits my needs and is good for chisels and plane blades. For longer items I like my Makita horizontal stone. For the price I paid I am happy with it so far. Thanks for watching.
@johnklein4558
@johnklein4558 5 жыл бұрын
That’s why Baskin and Robbins has all those flavors of ice cream. So we can all get what we want. I subscribe to the “Buy once...Cry once” school of thinking. Also “Quality isn’t expensive...it’s PRICELESS.” However we all have cost concerns and a list of needs vs wants. If I can get the job done to a satisfactory degree without me spending a boat load of cash then I’m likely to go that way. If I’m looking for super fine edges and need that kind of sharpness due to cutting hand dovetails in cherry wood then I’m probably going to go with the Tormek option IF I can afford that option.
@chetleonard169
@chetleonard169 2 жыл бұрын
"The Box was a little beat up". .....It did travel halfway around the globe.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
UPS and FedEx can do that in 10 miles also. Thanks for watching.
@ronmccarty7537
@ronmccarty7537 2 жыл бұрын
The point is that the box was beat up
@kenerickson4923
@kenerickson4923 2 жыл бұрын
I would think that the grinding wheel should be soaked in a pan of water before the 1st use. Then install and add water to the pan.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
I let it dry out when not used. Thanks for watching.
@chrisreeves8037
@chrisreeves8037 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video which I forgot to mention in last comment. Now I have a question. Have you heard of anyone using the outside face of the stone to sharpen bits? Thanks cr
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's safe with this style stone. Thanks for watching.
@themadhillbillycustoms5013
@themadhillbillycustoms5013 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice review. This sharpener looks like it will come in handy around the shop. I think you got your money's worth out of it just by sharpening the chisels.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It is a fast way to clean up damaged chisels. Grinds extremely fast with no heat damage to the blade. Works good for what I paid for it. Thanks for watching.
@donvanco3078
@donvanco3078 6 жыл бұрын
I think that's a great set of chisels. I'm sure if you put a new edge on them they'll perform well. I've debated on one of these are well - but my experiences with Grizzly shipping have been absolutely abysmal. They've always "made it right" when I've had issues, but it's still a hassle with all the back and forth.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
You could see this box was dropped but it survived. UPS beats up every package from grizzly for some reason. This machine gives a nice sharp square edge quickly and a little work with a waterstone makes it last better then the stroping. The price was so low that I wonder if they are discontinuing this model and going back to the green one. Thanks for watching.
@michaellovetere8033
@michaellovetere8033 3 жыл бұрын
Don't get your beard caught in that wheel, Santa...it might smart a little...
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Could use a trim. Thanks for watching.
@mihaipopa9414
@mihaipopa9414 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice and informative video, thanks!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@mikesmicroshop4385
@mikesmicroshop4385 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Tormek comes with a 250 grit wheel also you just get that stone to resurface it to a finer or back to 250 with the Tormek!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I think the Tormek stone just smoothes the wheel for a temporary finer finish, but a couple hits on a bench water stone cleans up the edge real quick also.
@MicroHomesteaders
@MicroHomesteaders 6 жыл бұрын
Good review. All in all seems like a bargain for the money. Thanks
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
That was a good price, the main reason that I took a chance on it. It works much better then a dry grinder for cleaning up damaged edges. Thanks for watching.
@clintprice2123
@clintprice2123 6 жыл бұрын
Nice review, I just might have to order one of these now.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
That sale is over but I think they still have a reduced price. It works good for quick sharpening of damaged edges. The strop works good but a quick couple passes over a fine water stone really make a perfect edge. Thanks for watching.
@bufordtjustice4362
@bufordtjustice4362 6 жыл бұрын
I bought the jet version of this back in 2006. I had to make a dedicated place for it because it ways over 50 pounds but i still use it to this day. For regrinds it awesome. I think the only differences between the grizzly and jet/ tormek is that they have variable speed which is really important if your sharpening anything larger than chisels because they will sling some water. I wonder if you could put a router control or rheostat on that machine?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I will probably just use this for chisels, carving, and lathe tools. I hane a Makita wet machine with king water stones for plane and planer blades. I have one of those controls that l will try. Thanks for watching.
@watermain48
@watermain48 5 жыл бұрын
Great look at that machine, thanks.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
It has worked out great for me. Thanks for watching.
@khasifiqbal9972
@khasifiqbal9972 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@FrenchieFrench1555
@FrenchieFrench1555 Жыл бұрын
I bought one at Harbor Freight may be 10 years ago, I never used it much CORRECTION: I find out that I did not bought it at HF but at Northern Tools
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Жыл бұрын
I don't use it a lot butdoes a good job whenyou need it. Thanks for watching.
@FrenchieFrench1555
@FrenchieFrench1555 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it does. I need to dig mine out.
@FrenchieFrench1555
@FrenchieFrench1555 Жыл бұрын
I dig mine out, the wheel is totally shot. I have tow new wheels but neither one fit.
@paulyanney3151
@paulyanney3151 Жыл бұрын
Which Makita sharpener do you have and do you like it?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Жыл бұрын
The one with the horizontal wheel. I don't use it a lot anymore but did my 12 inch planer blades for years using it with no problems. Thanks for watching.
@1d2a3ve41951
@1d2a3ve41951 3 жыл бұрын
Doubt it will have an attachment to sharpen 8" planer blades???
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. you probably could make something though. Thanks for watching.
@douglasmurry8107
@douglasmurry8107 4 жыл бұрын
3 decades on one set of chisels?! I would say that is a very GOOD set!!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
They definitely were made from high quality steel back then. Thanks for watching.
@Saltysteele
@Saltysteele 2 жыл бұрын
the tap/ping trick is not necessary for this. this wheel turns so slowly, it's not going to explode even if it did have a crack
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info. Thanks for watching.
@johnfrederickson3082
@johnfrederickson3082 3 жыл бұрын
Grizzly discontinued this grinder, so I've been looking at the Wen. Does your's still function?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
I don't use it often but it still works good. last I heard they doubled the price so I bet sales went to zero. Thanks for watching.
@georges8348
@georges8348 6 жыл бұрын
I would suspect that Tormek accessories will fit the Grizz knockoff.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I looked up Tormek accessories but each one costs more then this machine so I am thinking homemade. I think plastic blocks with v shaped guides would work and be easy to make. Have to start with a dressing tool. Thanks for watching.
@WilliamAlanPhoto
@WilliamAlanPhoto 6 жыл бұрын
Grizzly does make their own jigs for this. However, you can make a better one if that's how you want to spend your time.
@czependoza
@czependoza 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@jawbaw6471
@jawbaw6471 4 жыл бұрын
Hope your shop is heated. If that water soaked stone freezes the ice can crack the stone.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it is. Thanks for watching.
@kylefulton688
@kylefulton688 5 жыл бұрын
Thinking of buying this to hollow grind my knives without burning it. Think the stone is coarse enough?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
I think it would take a long time to remove that much stock with the stone supplied and I am not sure how the motor or bushings would hold up for that kind of use. It works great for final sharpening. Thanks for watching.
@mauricehouser7353
@mauricehouser7353 4 жыл бұрын
will this sharpen wood turning tools?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
They sell jigs to properly hold them. Thanks for watching.
@ideaguyinks
@ideaguyinks 6 жыл бұрын
Just about 4 months too late for me. I was in the market for a wet grinder and read everything I could find on all the same style units. There were so many complaints about the less expensive units in the reviews, I bought a Tormek 4 off eBay for $250 (a pretty good deal) and then I had to buy the jig for chisels and plane blades for another $75. I admit the Tormek is a great machine, but I don’t think it did 3x better than your results. I wish I read this before I spent 3x as much. Who knows, I might have been happy with the Grizzly?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It really surprised me for the price. I just have to make a couple jigs for it and it looks like it will meet my needs. I think it is luck of the draw with these Chinese clones. Sounds like you got a good deal on the Tormek. Thanks for watching.
@ureasmith3049
@ureasmith3049 4 жыл бұрын
Wow 119 bucks you got a great deal. Selling for 274 now.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
It's definitely not worth that much. Add shipping and it would be over $300. I wouldn't pay anymore then I did. Grizzly is really getting greedy. Thanks for watching
@robhimself79
@robhimself79 5 жыл бұрын
How has this been working sir? I am definitely curious about getting one for myself for mostly knives. Have you gotten any accessories? Have you attempted to use anything to redress the stone like tormek uses?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
It still works good. I have decided to just use it for chisels and plane irons so the wheel has not needed dressing yet. I don't use it for knives. I use a Lansky sharpening system now for them so I am not sure the type of jig you would need to get a even grind with this but see tormek offers some. For the price I paid it is a nice machine but for long straight items like knives, scissors, jointer, and planer blades my horizontal Makita Wet grinder is my favorite. Thanks for watching.
@SquirrelsForAll
@SquirrelsForAll 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for sharing.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@MrZavrie
@MrZavrie 6 жыл бұрын
What is the dimensions of your Tool clad table saw cover?
@hddm3
@hddm3 4 жыл бұрын
Wow great review
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
It works good for the price. Thanks for watching.
@who-man7699
@who-man7699 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like you got a good deal in my opinion that is i think the toramack is over priced myself like a lot of things made for sharpening hand tools which blows my mind because it doesn't make much sense to me why someone would think of pricing equipment made for hand tool maintenance would seem smart because people that use those tools are blue collar people, now I'm not saying they are poor people tho I'm poor and blue collar
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
This works good for my needs. If you're young and want a machine to last your lifetime or hav a business that can write it off a Tormek may be worth it. Thanks for watching.
@MarcusRefusius
@MarcusRefusius 19 күн бұрын
I figure that finish is a snapshot of the Air Quality in China.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 19 күн бұрын
China is worse then that. Thanks for watching.
@pleappleappleap
@pleappleappleap 3 жыл бұрын
I would've used food-grade mineral oil on the strop.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing food grade about that leather ( at least it didn't smell food grade ) and any light oil should work. Thanks for watching.
@miketong2007
@miketong2007 5 жыл бұрын
Why wheel spinning toward you when sharpening?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
You want the water to hit the tip for cooling from what I understand. Thanks for watching.
@ledbelied5771
@ledbelied5771 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought their 2008 version 10 inch wet grinder un opened from a garage sale came with around 10 sharpening jigs all unopened all for 120. Still had the receipt in the mail packing it was like 70 dollars for the grinder and like another 50 for all the accessories. Grizzly has just the planer blade jig at over $300 on their website now it’s ridiculous. Anyways can i use my cars synthetic oil on the leather? Great vid btw!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
You got a great deal. Grizzly price on this has risen lately and it's not really worth what they charge anymore. Thanks for watching.
@JohnDavis-yz9nq
@JohnDavis-yz9nq 3 жыл бұрын
Would this work for sharpening kitchen knives and traditional pocket knives like Case and Schrade Walden. 3 blade pocket knives like grandpa carried? Or would it remove too much of the blade. Nice review. Thanks for posting.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
It should but for things like that I use a Lansky sharpening kit. Much easier for me to control and avoid damage. Thanks for watching.
@JohnDavis-yz9nq
@JohnDavis-yz9nq 3 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 yeh I had thought about the Lansky but I am wondering if it would sharpen the smaller blades on say like a Case 3 blade stockman. After looking at it I doubt that it would. Work sharp has a new sharpener out kinda like the Lansky that I think would. About $60.00.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Smallest I have done is my Kershaw Chive. The tiny blades may need hand honing without the holder.
@JohnDavis-yz9nq
@JohnDavis-yz9nq 3 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 yeh I’ve used the spyderco triangle sharpening system for years. Cleaning the stones has always been a problem for me. But the one thing that I like is it only removes a small amount of metal sharpening. Would love to know your opinion on the spyderco.
@1626littleman
@1626littleman 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you are still doing video's, I am thinking about purchasing a Grizzly wet grinder. After using one for over a year, would you recommend buying one? Thanks for you feed back.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
I would if you are an occasional user like me. It's still works great with no problems. I don't know how it would stand up seeing heavy daily use. Thanks for watching.
@paulgargan6134
@paulgargan6134 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@alejandroano2707
@alejandroano2707 3 жыл бұрын
Hllo sir how much per unit together w/ stone and precision tools
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
look on the Grizzly site because the price has gone very high. Thanks for watching.
@lotharfunke8749
@lotharfunke8749 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing , I agree Grizzly packing is not up to par. Just had a 4/21 occulting belt sander delivered box almost open. I own an older 3 horsepower Grizzly table saw which I'm very happy with, would like to know where you got that cool mat that keeps your saw top so nice.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I sometimes wonder if the UPS agents beat up the boxes hoping something good will fall out. I got it from mlcs. There is a video about it way back. It is magnetic backed and glue comes right off it so it gives me a little extra workspace. Thanks for watching
@paulpaul1948
@paulpaul1948 6 жыл бұрын
I had to chuckle when I saw your Freud chisel set. I bought the same set back in the late1980's and still have and use them. They're not the best by a long shot but they work if you keep them sharp and that sharpening station should do that very well. Can you tell me if that tray came with the unit or is that something you provided? Thanks for taking the time to post these videos. Very informative and helpful.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
My sister gave me that set as a present years ago. It came from Seven Corners Ace Hardware if you remember them. That tray is a cookie sheet that my wife didn't use anymore. It is just the right size to catch the mess. Any kitchen supply store should have one that will fit. Thanks for watching.
@calbrabandt5967
@calbrabandt5967 5 жыл бұрын
I need a tray like your tray. Thanks for the idea. I just tried to sharpen a scythe blade and it sends water everywhere (on the top of the grinder case, bench, floor, etc.)! Actually, any blade that is longer than the wheel's width sends water everywhere!. I found the broken zip tie fragments in my unit. Like your grinder, it survived shipment regardless. I think I got luckier with my powder coat than you, but everything else is pretty much the same with my Anniversary model as your unit. It should work great for thinning out the edge of new scythe blades or repairing damage to them. I'll use it for lathe bits too and I agree with you that it's too easy to overheat a bit during edge forming or sharpening with a high speed grinder to not have one of these Grizzly water grinders, given the price.
@graphguy
@graphguy 5 жыл бұрын
If nothing else I am subscribing to your channel because of its name!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
There's a story behind the name. Thanks for watching and subbing.
@graphguy
@graphguy 5 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Isn't there always a story to be told? I'm a maga type of guy and found yours catchy also. I appreciate the review as I want a something that isn't $800 like a T8, yet does a decent job sharpening my knives, so I appreciate the review.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
I use a Lansky sharpening system for most of my knives. It is quick and easy to get the perfect edge if they are not too damaged. You could almost reverse that design for a good knife holding fixture for this machine.
@graphguy
@graphguy 5 жыл бұрын
Unemployed Redneck Hillbilly Creations thanks I’ll check it out.
@nashguy207
@nashguy207 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Looks like its a nice tool for the money. Curious to see what attachments or tools you make for it. Have a great day. God Bless!!!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I want to make a good 90 deg jig and a holder for lathe gouges. Thanks for watching.
@americangraffiti6192
@americangraffiti6192 3 жыл бұрын
Don't laugh at yours? That is a fine set sir. Mine looks like a joke compared to those. Very good steel. Very much enjoyed real life demo not trying to sell me something. Thank you.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
They get the job done so that's what counts. The way pricing has increased on these they no longer are a bargain. Still works good. Thanks for watching.
@rostro2698
@rostro2698 6 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to sharping knifes on it??
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
They sell a jig for knife sharpening but I think the stone is a little coarse for knives unless they are damaged. I like to use my Lansky sharpening kit for knives. Thanks for watching
@jaykees5424
@jaykees5424 4 жыл бұрын
Of course you can sharpen your knives. Tormek t-8 or Record Power WG250 is good for that. They have stone grader for smoother or coarser surface of grinding stone. Tormek T-4 is too small for knife sharpening. Gap between leather wheel and grinding stone is too little. You will notice that when you are polishing your knife. Then you know what I mean. Regards, J, Finland.
@scarter176
@scarter176 4 жыл бұрын
No reverse switch ?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
No, doesn't need one. Thanks for watching.
@BushImports
@BushImports 6 жыл бұрын
That seems to be a nice tool for that, I like that it runs slow too. I wonder if a person can also sharpen lathe and carving tools that well? Thanks for showing it to us. Don't be embarrassed that you don't have a better set of wood chisels, what you have is probably better than most of us have.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons that I purchased it was for lathe tools. I have to make a jig for the gouges to get them back to shape after many years of hand grinding. I like the fact that it is impossible to burn the edge like a high speed grinder does. My sister gave me the chisel set over 35 years ago when I first started woodworking and they hold an edge pretty good once they are properly sharpened. Thanks for watching.
@Ed-lz4jv
@Ed-lz4jv 4 жыл бұрын
yes you can, they makes jigs for that or you can make your own...search on here for videos
@jacksonvang3429
@jacksonvang3429 4 жыл бұрын
How do u dry the 2500 dry stone on the grizzly grid? Pls
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
I just remove and clean the reservoir then in a couple days it is dry. Never let it freeze with moisture in it. Thanks for watching.
@jacksonvang3429
@jacksonvang3429 4 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 thank u much love the videos
@TheRealChetManley
@TheRealChetManley 4 жыл бұрын
Way too much oil...turn the wheel on, use a small bit under your thumb while moving it across the wheel. Probably less than an ounce. Too much oil will ruin the leather wheel. You dont even need it. A little bit helps so you can use less polishing paste.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
It still works fine and every once in a while I add a couple more drops of oil and a small smear of paste. Does a great job touching up chisels. Thanks for watching.
@tipotequila
@tipotequila 5 жыл бұрын
Can I use this machine to sharpen curve gouges?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
There is a fixture available for it to do that. Tormech also makes a fixture for gouges that may fit it. Thanks for watching.
@gulfchef
@gulfchef 5 жыл бұрын
Sewing machine oil! A light clear oil! Holy Moly...how long you been out in the woods!
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
It works good for constipation also.
@ginoasci2876
@ginoasci2876 4 жыл бұрын
does Grizzly sell finer wheel composition wheels?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know. Contact them. Thanks for watching.
@Meowbox9000
@Meowbox9000 6 жыл бұрын
update? hows it treating you know. 3 month impressions? i"m curious.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I have not used it a lot as most of my woodshop time is in the winter, but the couple times I used it it still ran great and the stone has no issues. I think it was a good buy at the sale price. Thanks for watching.
@gsppierre2800
@gsppierre2800 6 жыл бұрын
Anybody knows what comes with it? Is it just the motor and the 2 wheels or what else? Do I have to buy anything else for knife sharpening? Thanks in advanced
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It comes with the one guide that I show. You would need a holder for knives. Grizzly has them on their site and Tormek makes high end ones to fit this type of machine. I don't know how they work because I sharpen all my knives by hand with manual Lansky and Smith sharpeners for knives. I just plan on using this for planes, chisels, and lathe tools. Thanks for watching.
@whoknowsu1002
@whoknowsu1002 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if anyone laughed at his chisels but I do know someone cried!!!!! Me his 30 year old chisels look a hell of a lot better than my 5 year chisels the sharpener is ok but I want those chisels 😆
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Back then they used good steel and were affordable. This sharpener does a good job. Thanks for watching.
@MrZavrie
@MrZavrie 6 жыл бұрын
Where can I purchase a Tool clad table saw cover?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I got mine from MLCS. There is a video about it a ways back. They come in different sizes for different tools. Thanks for watching
@wilkbor
@wilkbor 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Acouple of questions: how do you get the back of the chisel flat? Also, how has the machine held up over time?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
The back comes from the factory flat and you always sharpen the tapered side. You could probably take minor imperfections out with a flat diamond stone. It still works good. Thanks for watching.
@DaveB-gm9pj-j2t
@DaveB-gm9pj-j2t 4 жыл бұрын
You can use the side of the wheel to flatten the chisel, you only need to do it once then that's it
@jimbol8695
@jimbol8695 6 жыл бұрын
Good gravy, did you win the lottery or something? You certainly are stocking up on the tools lately. I've never seen anyone put oil on a leather strop. Maybe it has something to do with the included paste, but that was odd. Harbor Freight has a green polishing compound in stick form that I always use on my strops and it leaves my chisels with a mirror finish.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I retired the begining of the year and get a ss check every month now after years of paying them. You can't take it with you so I say get what you always wanted and am even looking for a new truck now. The instructions said oil and it soaked up a lot. The compound worked good on the edge with the oil. This is a lazy mans sharpener. Thanks for watching.
@WV591
@WV591 5 жыл бұрын
Never got anything from Grizzly where it wasn't damaged.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
I just got my first completely undamaged package from Grizzly last week. Such a good feeling. Thanks for watching.
@WV591
@WV591 5 жыл бұрын
Too bad Grizz doesn't include the dressing stone.
@hidude2124
@hidude2124 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man. I use and make strops a lot, adding the machine oil to the leather might be an unnecessary step. I never use oil as a surface conditioner but some compounds have conditioners in the compounds and some don’t so maybe that one doesn’t. Mink oil is more of a cream and will work best with leather. Also flitz or semichrome are some great: cheap, available, and reliable options out there that will condition the strop as you apply
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I have been using light oil but have some mink oil that I will try when I replace the strop. Thanks for watching.
@georgia_homestead
@georgia_homestead 6 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video of your favorite hand and power tools?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
That would be a tough one. Probably would be 6 hours long. I try to show the tools that I use for different jobs in the videos. Let me think about it. Thanks for watching.
@susieq7552
@susieq7552 6 жыл бұрын
Can we see more of the garden soon?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
Once I start picking I will make another video. Staying inside and cool till this heat wave is gone. Thanks for watching.
@johnforte3466
@johnforte3466 5 жыл бұрын
Don't ever keep your wet stone in the freezing condition. The wet stone will crack.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Freezing water is very destructive. Thanks for watching.
@paolasalas5938
@paolasalas5938 3 жыл бұрын
en colombia donde la venden precio
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they sell them anymore. Thanks for watching.
@johnklein4558
@johnklein4558 5 жыл бұрын
There’s a guy on YT that sells software and stuff to make it a scientific process to sharpen and make it repeatable. Knife grinders.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
This works good as it is. Thanks for watching.
@Layarion
@Layarion 4 жыл бұрын
7:00 dude wtf do you ever wash that bottle?
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Only when I drink from them. Thanks for watching.
@ronnakeil3313
@ronnakeil3313 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@hvrtguys
@hvrtguys 5 жыл бұрын
Don't let the stones sit in water or you get imbalance and soft spots where the stone gets out of round.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. Dunp and clean out the tub when done using it. Thanks for watching.
@johnklein4558
@johnklein4558 5 жыл бұрын
You can use a plastic tub to keep the stone soaking in water between uses INSIDE the house so there’s no concern over temperature. This way you just set up the unit take the stone out of the tub and there’s no worry about adding enough water. It’s ready to go immediately.
@Sm0lly
@Sm0lly 3 жыл бұрын
if the chisel gets caught in the wheel it flies straight in your head i would turn that machine around grinding away from you
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
That's not how you grind. Thanks for watching.
@Sm0lly
@Sm0lly 3 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 i have a simular setup and the grinding stone turns away from me edit: just dont get yourself killed
@jacksonvang3429
@jacksonvang3429 5 жыл бұрын
Can u give me the link so I can buy one pls
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Grizzly.com .Thanks for watching.
@Ed-lz4jv
@Ed-lz4jv 4 жыл бұрын
yeah, I am getting the WEN $140 version, these are all spinoffs of the Ridiculous overpriced TORMEC brand, you need to get the 2 grit stone that changes stone from fine to rough when needed, grizzly sells one MUCH less than the Tormec one also
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
This one has been great for my needs and does a really good job. I would highly recommend it for home use. Hope you enjoy the WEN as much as I like this one. Thanks for watching.
@pawelaco
@pawelaco 6 жыл бұрын
Super you have a KZbin channel, I will watch you. Come to me from time to time. greetings
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like we have similar interests. Thanks for watching.
@alyelbelbessy
@alyelbelbessy 4 жыл бұрын
ilike it-how mouch- and iwant a one - how can get it
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Grizzly.com sells them. Thanks for watching.
@vigilante004
@vigilante004 5 жыл бұрын
/sträp/ not strope (stropeing is not a word) /Sträpping/ (stropping) Nice video. Thanks.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@leodanryan966
@leodanryan966 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you should soak the stone prior to use.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
It soaks up the water quickly and also dries up quickly. I don't see soaking changing anything. Thanks for watching.
@leodanryan966
@leodanryan966 6 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 Well, anytime you use a whetstone (just a regular one) you are supposed to soak it for a few minutes until it stops soaking up water. So yes it will lose its water pretty quickly, but not if It's in the water bath. It should stay relatively wet during the process. I don't mean to be argumentative. I'm just trying to make a positive impact. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these, and this is why I am watching this video. Thanks for making it.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 6 жыл бұрын
I soak my japanese waterstones because you need to build up a slurry on them. With this stone it only really needs the water on the surface to cool the steel and flush the stone to keep it from plugging. As long as the stone touches the water it works fine. I feel it is totally different how the 2 different types of stone work.
@user-vy1xk4tk5i
@user-vy1xk4tk5i 3 жыл бұрын
อยากได้สักเครื่อง
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@user-vy1xk4tk5i
@user-vy1xk4tk5i 3 жыл бұрын
@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 ซื้อได้ที่ให้นครับ
@mikesmicroshop4385
@mikesmicroshop4385 6 жыл бұрын
Here is a link to the Tormek manual it may give you some ideas for jigs! www.woodwrecker.com/woodworking/manuals/TormekV9.7.pdf
@briangc1972
@briangc1972 4 жыл бұрын
That is a wet wheel, you are supposed to use water when grinding.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 4 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@ginoasci2876
@ginoasci2876 4 жыл бұрын
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