GROAT Build Series: Episode #2

Learn Advanced Steel Cutting Techniques so you can build a pair of GROATs for your shop or jobsite!
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CHAPTER LIST:

[@frankherring6253]

Matt; a couple tips for you and your viewers, when cutting using a grinder an cut off wheel, mark your layout with a scribe, then you can cut off sting of your mark and then grind back to it very accurately. Secondly when notching tubing the notch will normally take up 1/3 of the surface of the main tube, so it you cut the tube to be notched square at that first, only the center needs to be cut out leaving two nice full thickness ends to be welded. Thanks for the great videos Matt!

[@rickcimino5483]

Matt: My knees hurt for the first 36 minutes of this video until you put that chop saw up on your table. Thank you for doing that. I don't know if I'll ever build one of these but as per the usual, there are still so many lessons to be learned here. Thank you.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Sorry Rick... I didn't do it on purpose😉 The reason I opt to keep it on the floor is to better contain flying metal chips and only put it up on the table because it was the only way to position the piece to make that particular cut. It would be less effort to keep it higher so in a perfect world I'd have a dedicated cutting station.

[@pakde8002]

A garden knee cushion is a great shop addition for old football players...and band members too.

[@mikewatson4644]

I have bent square tubing by using a vise and 3 spacers. Put 1 spacer on one side of the tube at each end of vise jaw and the 3rd spacer on the other side of the tube in the middle of the jaws. Tighten the vise carefully to bend the tubing. Keep moving the tubing and making small bends. You can't use this method to bend heavy duty tubing, but should work for tubing for a project like this.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Interesting process Mike... sounds like a viable alternative... thanks for adding it here!

[@robertdemers5125]

Thanks for adding the extra content at the end Matt, very interesting how things are made.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thanks for watching to the bitter end Robert. Were it not for ongoing computer hardware issues I would have woven the roller footage into the body of the video but, as it turned out, it was too far along in the editing process to do that so I stuck it there at the end of the end.😎

[@jerrystark3587]

Great series. I look forward to subsequent episodes. Thanks!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

You betcha Jerry... I'm looking forward to wrapping up the next three episodes and having that new pair of version 2.0 roller stands for use in the next level carpentry shop😎

[@tonyworkswood]

Love it Matt. Break out the welder. Maintain my curves. Brilliantly explained for the novices starting out in metalworking. Tony

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thx Tony... feels kind of odd doing a metal work video for a carpentry Channel but I hope it expands viewers horizons...

[@michaelmaker8169]

@@NextLevelCarpentry I always thought that metal work and wood can make for a better product and strength. Maybe a metal jig to bend wood.?😂

[@bradymcphail9690]

Really amazing! I can use this brilliant idea in my welding/ fabrication shop as well. I’ve used the Evolution Rage 3 Dual Compound Sliding Miter Saw for as long as it’s been on the market as well as the same metal cutting saw as you used for many years. I’ve been a fabricator for 45 years and there isn’t anything so far that tops the G.R.O.A.T that I’d want to make several for myself for home and work! I look forward to parts 3-5 & purchasing the prints for it! Very well done!!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thanks Brady... much appreciated! If you do end up buying a set of plans I'd be interested to hear your reaction to them from your perspective of 45 years. You've seen a LOT of plans in that timeframe and I've studied these so much my eyes are crossed so a 'fresh set of eyes' would be appreciated if you have time and inclination to share. Best, Matt

[@Kyle-ev4fk]

Dang ol' carpenter wearing bags in a metal fab shop

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Kind of makes a statement now doesn't it? 😂

[@ed6837]

Probably the only other way to make the bend would be to heat the tubing and clamp it to a template while it cools. Your kerf method works fine though. nothing wrong with doing it that way. I think those bending machines are called "Diacro Benders"

[@mrtimemaker]

Thanks for showing us the way. -Curt Kuhns

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

You're sure welcome Curt!

[@goodnightmr5892]

This is outstanding!!! Thank you!

[@DustyFixes]

The end of the end of the end, was Justin Justin time!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Ta-Daaa.... Bing Bing! Good one UWC!! 😂😂

[@pakde8002]

Glad you're still making tutorials. I like your style of teaching and like how you deal with jackasses in the comments (lively exchange on the board straightening jig LoL). This project is beyond my equipment capacity but I might be able to make something serviceable after watching so let's give it a goo.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thanks for watching and commenting on this one! Jackarse comments on the board straightening video are second only to those on the Master Carpenter's Hack: Using Standard Construction Screws for Attaching Wood to Concrete video... lively indeed! 🤯👍😎

[@GregsGarage]

Great techniques Matt! Steel is a very different animal than wood, but if you have a similar approach and take your time, you'll get wonderful results like you showed.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

True dat!! Thanks for watching and commenting Greg... stay tuned for Episode #3 where our Seams Impossible tool will be in the spotlight! 😎

[@bowerscustomwoodworkingllc]

Matt, this video makes me think I could possibly pull this off!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Cool BCW... the hardest of the fabrication process is over with some drilling and grinding left to do. The biggest remaining challenge is the actual welding and I guarantee I'm a long way from being a pro at it and, if I can get it done, bet that you can too!

[@EngineerMikeF]

One cutting method U didn't mention is a hacksaw. I always thought the hacksaw was a luddite method till I spent some time in Mexico where a great deal of work gets accomplished mechanically. If ur not doing a big production job, the lowly hacksaw should be in everybody's toolbox

[@Kyle-ev4fk]

I think a portaband saw is a great tool for cutting metal as well

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

That thought crossed my mind because if the kerf from a hacksaw blade is wide enough to make the bend it would be cleaner and faster to close up the kerks with weld...

[@EngineerMikeF]

@@NextLevelCarpentry I made a port-a-band stand which makes cuts like that sort of kerf a snap, & very safe

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

@@EngineerMikeF cool! 👍

[@SM-xm7dt]

What about just making your initial leg count another inch longer then you would have a pilot hole for the hole saw.

[@SM-xm7dt]

Cut

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

That method works about the same SM... in fact, that's the way I did the ends on the prototype stand you see in the video but the tubes I cut for this were a little too short so I included a work-around for anyone in the same predicament. Thanks for watching and commenting on this one!

[@HoppersLab]

The other secret to eating an elephant, is make sure it is dead first.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

That made me laugh out loud... Literally! 🤣

[@Tripring2000]

Morning Matt! Been waiting for this next video.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Sorry it took so long... a lot of drama kept slowing me down but finally got through it... always appreciate viewer patience!

[@richardsinclair3037]

A grinder and paint makes me the welder I aint.

[@KA-qw5cv]

How to eat an elephant... We built a house, ourselves, that way. One bite at a time. Too many people will not try a project because they look at taking on the whole elephant, instead of the step-by-step process than can often be very manageable.

[@johnrice6793]

Wow. Pretty damned neat.🤜🤛

[@ryananthony4840]

For what you are doing you only needed to properly tack the kerfs..... you DEFINITELY don't need to weld them solid

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

For strength, I agree, Ryan. Tacking is plenty strong. The extra measures of welding solid and grinding are for aesthetics which are "not necessary" but ARE next level IMHO. Thanks for watching and commenting regardless...

[@user-sm3xq5ob5d]

3:00 Where's the stop to make consitent cuts? Perhaps you could clamp down an angle iron outside the sawblade in the slot? Flat iron with two holes, two M8 screws with knobs and an M8 square nut.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thanks for watching and commenting on this one! That would be a good setup for consistent, repetitive cuts in a production setting but not worth the trouble for only a few pieces where that level of precision isn't necessary IMHO

[@user-sm3xq5ob5d]

@@NextLevelCarpentry I can see that. My thoughts are like this: You have an expensive machine not for one time only. (As you rightfully noticed.) Else a hacksaw (angle grinder) could have done. So the sooner you build a stop the sooner you can profit from it. That would be next level. Just marking and eyeballing is just ... ordinary cutting. I wonder basically, why that saw does not come with amenities like that anyway. And when you get to it a stop for the cut's depth would be nice too. With the set up as it is you only have the precision of vertical and consistent angle from the fence. Not too much in my view. I guess you and your trusted Metabo can do as well.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

@@user-sm3xq5ob5d Your perspective, thoughts and reasoning are all valid... thanks of sharing them. It adds to the value of the video for other viewers who can decide what type of setup makes the most sense for them, their shop and their situation. You'd probably be amazed (or disappointed) to learn that I don't even have a repetitive stop setup for my miter saw station either and I do woodworking for a living! 🤯 There's so many factors involved and other ways of doing things so I'm fascinated by what others choose and adapt to. For instance, this is one method I use frequently that makes my work, in my relatively small shop, quick, accurate and efficient without space required for a dedicated cutting station with... a length stop arrangement: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqWYpHmDlMh8erM Best, Matt

[@JimWebb-vj8nh]

Matt, really love all of your videos I have been able to watch thus far. Have the GROAT plans and was wondering how the production was going on the last three videos? Nothing like videos to back up what I am seeing on the plans. Thanks again!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Thanks Jim. I apologize because the 3 remaining episodes keep getting pushed back in the schedule. One significant video project is a huge time drain but I do think it will be worth it overall. Since you bought the plans, if you start the build and have questions that prevent you from progress, just post them here and I'll do my best to answer them to keep your project moving forward... Best, Matt

[@adamd3955]

So are the 3 other episodes somewhere I’m not seeing???

[@lifetrekfinancialgroup4468]

Can you tell me where I can source the actual rollers themselves? I live in Canada so if you know of a Canadian source that would be helpful. I have purchased your plans. Thanks for creating those!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

This is a link to the exact product I got from Global Industrial: www.globalindustrial.com/searchResult?q=b1869372 Sorry, I don't know what their sales/shipping policies are for Canada. I tried to find a similar part on Amazon but didn't. You could always buy a somewhat different length/diameter model if you adjust plan dimensions to accomodate any different specs. If you find a Canadian source for rollers that match, feel free to post a link here to benefit other viewers. Best, Matt PS I have no affiliate relationship with Global Industrial but they've been good to work with on the limited basis I've dealt with them.

[@michaelmaker8169]

Thank you for the great video. That was great that Justin was able to restore the files for you. Interesting to see the process of bending the square stock. I was trying to think of a way to do it in the shop. Possibly hand crank and couple rollers on a steel backer. The small piece, what if you used the two pieces of the jig, increase the Arc for spring back, take the clamps and work it in? Great job. How much is it to be a patrion member?

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

I didn't explore other options for bending those tubes but the ones you suggest sounds like they would be worth a try. Someone else suggested using a vise and 3 spacers, 2 on one jaw, 1 on the other to gradually bend the curve. Thanks for your interest in Patreon! Some Channels have different 'tiers' for Patreon membership but for Next Level Carpentry I leave it up to the viewer/member and all patrons have access to the same content. The monthly range for Next Level Carpentry starts at $1 and as high as $25 with $5/mo being pretty common. It's most important to me that it's a good value for anyone who 'goes above and beyond' with support as patrons..

[@charlieleidholdt7785]

as per typical, great series. when do you expect the remaining episodes to be released? just curious, thank you!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Sorry, other episodes have been shuffled back in the pipeline for a whole host of reasons. Thanks for your patience... feel free to post questions if you get ahead of the series and need info to keep going...

[@farikomike524]

Where is episode 3?

[@chidofu]

episode 3?

[@LindaGus]

Where are the rest of the videos?

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Sorry; I never produced the remaining episodes due to lack of interest by the KZbin audience. You can buy a set of PDF plans which should help anyone competent in metal fabrication build tangent ramp roller stands of their own.

[@lucidmoses]

You did a lot of work to get that arc exactly to plan but it seams that arg is some what arbitrary in the first place.

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

If the radius of the arc was to vary by 4 in one way or the other (ie: 70"-74") it would probably still work just fine because it's just a number I pulled out of thin air when I made the original Roller stands and it happened to work excellent. I hope the demonstration of what it takes to fine tune the radius is helpful if someone uses the method and needs to create four pieces of equal radius for a pair of GROATs regardless of what the actual radius is.

[@rossmckenzie2283]

I like your "brain science" and "rocket surgery".

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Caught that, did you? Hope it gave you a chuckle like I got the first time I heard it that way...

[@beachboardfan9544]

Feel like I dont understand what these do or are for...

[@frankherring6253]

Not trying to put you down. He explained your question in part one of this series. It’s a great watch!

[@beachboardfan9544]

@@frankherring6253 Thx, didnt even notice this was an ep 2

[@ancienttom97]

Not a woodworking project. It's far cheaper and faster to buy the most expensive roller stands on the market than to spend a thousand dollars plus on a welder and all the metal working tools, not to mention the 6 months of doing practice welding, just to make a pair of these stands. Nick Engler has a really good video on some stands that are made out of wood. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXepZmqEeJmDebs

[@rickcimino5483]

The point of this channel is not what's less expensive. Even a person who is never going to build one of these can learn a lot about "making" by watching this. That's pretty much the mantra of this channel. Personally, I have roller stands from Sears I bought a long time ago. They are crap and they fall over sometimes but they work most times. If I had the time and the inclination, I could build these from Matt's videos....with the expensive tools or not. Anything made out of wood is not going to be nearly as durable, not to mention as heavy, (and therefore untippable) as these but I'll check out the video you posted. Thank you.

[@rickcimino5483]

Okay, I just watched that NE video...those are some beefy wooden roller stands!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

Schwooosschhh... that's the sound of you completely missing the point of this video Tom. I respect your viewpoint on what seems like a great Pair of Roller stands in another video but regardless of how good they are they do not have the ramp that is the heart and soul of the design of these roller stands. It's a feature that is well worth any extra time effort or commitment to attain IMHO

[@curtisschmidtlein5606]

@@NextLevelCarpentry Absolutely! I don't know how many times I've destroyed an expensive piece of wood when it tipped over my cheap roller stand going off the table saw or was gouged by the planer or drum sander as it dropped off of the roller stand and began bouncing. I've been waiting for several years for these videos, thanks Matt, great stuff!

[@NextLevelCarpentry]

@@curtisschmidtlein5606 Thanks for watching and commenting on this one... BTW we should talk as the fate of my original GROATs is yet to be determined... juss sayin' 😉