GROUNDED STILL? - Cathay Pacific Fleet Rebuild

Does Cathay Pacific still have a large part of its fleet grounded, or has it been able to recover through the years? What's the future outlook of the company as well? Today, I explore the company which has experienced some of the toughest times in recent years.
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[@jamesclarke8564]

Done a lot of flying on Cathay Pacific in the past, but not since 2018, mostly flew on the A330-300s, but occasionally B777-300s, twice on the A350-900s and once on a B747-400 (when they were still in service). They have the best inflight entertainment options, even in economy class.

[@clarenceghammjr1326]

I been a Cathay Pacific fan for years, good flights, good stewardesses I’ve no complaint

[@jaxonmattox9267]

I recently flew on a new Cathay Pacific A321 and the experience was nothing short of fantastic all-around, beautiful interior, great food and service, good staff, nothing to complain about at all. The A330s I've been on are very noticeably older and in need of some upgrading, it doesn't feel like such a premium airline when on their old A330s. It will be very cool to finally see some 777-9s in their fleet!

[@r12004rewy]

Great to see Cathay back especially with the 350 they look beautiful in the CP livery

[@nurrizadjatmiko21]

Never flown with Cathay but wish Cathay the best. Good luck Cathay Pacific

[@seanrodgers1839]

I lived in Hong Kong for much of the 90s. I really liked using Cathay Pacific.

[@VibinVillage]

always great to hear updates here about cathay! Im really proud they made it out of the heavy hit they got from covid - lets hope they continue to recover!

[@PhlogPhanatic]

I flew on Cathay Pacific with the A350-900 and -1000 recently and the layout of the -1000 was so much better. The -900 we flew was quite old looking and the layout was cramped. We also flew one of the 777's which suffered a APU failure on the tarmac causing a 2 hour delay, before we were eventually able to take off in the same plane. The 777's age was very evident.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

While not launch customers, they signed up to 77W early-ish. Also most of their 773s are built in the late 90s.

[@barcafan9025]

I recently flew on the -900 and the -1000 with Cathay and honestly both aircraft were pretty good. The -1000 was superior in terms of seat comfort, but the -900 is still a fantastic aircraft with a comfortable and, in my opinion, modern layout. I also flew on the 777-300ER and also found that to be a nice aircraft, although the seats are not as comfortable as they are narrower than on their a350s, but I also found that I couldn't tell the age of the aircraft too much, although these were some of their youngest 77Ws at 9 years old on average.

[@adriantsoi7761]

They wanted to replace them for the long time but boeing kept delaying their 777-9s

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

Sad to see but inevitable. My Dad was a CX Captain for over 30 years becoming a management pilot. I remember going for an SO job and he and his mates all talked me out of it. Very glad they did. They've lost all their experienced flight crew for good reason. Many left for ACMIs and even LCCs like JQ.

[@nicgeld]

Oof. Wouldn't have brought it up if my dad was in management. Management is the whole reason for CX's problems and chasing pilots away.

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

@@nicgeld good point, I miss worded I guess. He was a senior checkie that returned to line before Covid, I went for the job in the late 2000s and that's when the whole Swire Princes vs 49ers came to ahead. He wasn't a BTC or flying a desk.

[@nicgeld]

@@goodshipkaraboudjan ah fair enough, I misunderstood. Yeah man, Swire (Swine) princes, management and the god damn bean counters trying their best to ruin a great airline.

[@747forever9]

Ty dj!!

[@Calebs_Aviation]

Great video DJ. Cannot wait for more hopeful future for the Cathay A350F & 777-8F even though it'll replace the 747! Love the video and can't wait for more hope at Cathay Pacific.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

It seems like their have well enough 350F options to cover 748F replacement, which makes 778F less likely.

[@ciarankelly4338]

Flew them many times while in Asia and great airline and great service!

[@michaelosgood9876]

My favorite airline, Cathay Pacific! Just shades our national airline.

[@seikhirfanmohammed2354]

Can you make more videos like this, about their fleet and future fleets

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Looking very nice.😊😊

[@James-re3lz]

Hope to see Cathay reopen the Dublin route

[@keima1110]

Speaking of B747. I remember last month I was near the Hong Kong airport. Everytime I look up, there is a B747 fly by. I saw at least 5-6 B747 in 10min. B747 is still common sight in Hong Kong.

[@DrewsTurbo]

Will be flying with Cathay for the first time ever in June (Sydney to Paris). Keen to see what the experience is like.

[@billc6762]

You will be better off with SQ

[@mic4126]

Cathy Pacific owns HKExpress (LCC carrier) which also based in Hong Kong, which is a A320-family only fleet. I think this is one of the reason CX buy A321neo.

[@happrah]

I don't know when they will start the Hyderabad flight. It has become such an inconvenience to do the connecting flight.

[@timdziak6881]

What are your thoughts on Asiana airlines?

[@edwardcheung1626]

CX as the flagship carrier of HK got a good part of their business with HK being an aviation hub of Asia. That's exactly why I have doubt on it's recovery because 1) With the ban over Russia, flying from HK to Europe, particularly Northern Europe is no longer cost effective compared to connecting via SE Asia like Singapore. With the economic downturn in China as well as the political situation, there's large decline for travel in and out of China. 3) The airport fee and charges are not cheap at all. With the airport tax, security fee and the airport construction charge, it adds up to HK$310 each way, HK$620 = USD70 for return. While transit via Taipei is USD16 each way. Where as for Changi, transit pax only needs to pay SGD9 ~ USD 7 each way. For Kansai, it's 880yen~USD6 each way.

[@billc6762]

If you book Cathay, you are looking at 1/3 chance of being cancelled. Now even HongKongers avoid CX

[@nicgeld]

What absolute BS. Even during the Xmas and new year period cancellations it was never even close to a "1/3 chance".

[@steinwaldmadchen]

While there is a serious shortage of pilots in Cathay, it seems like the issue is more acute for Airbus crew, with many of them reaching max hours regularly. Their 77W usage is still significant lower as it is less efficient, and more range restricted. They're not as useful when oil price hiked and Russian airspace is to be avoided.

[@geoffreyjrwang3648]

Cathay doesn’t avoid Russian airspace

[@nicgeld]

​@@geoffreyjrwang3648yes they do

[@cjmillsnun]

The ideal mid size replacement for the A330, would be the A330 neo. They already have a lot of Airbus aircraft and the pilots are already type rated.

[@ulysseslee9541]

or Regional A350s.

[@drewfwieuriskfi]

787 better. They can send the 777 pilots to 787 when they retired 777-300( non er one )

[@barcafan9025]

Apparently Cathay has already decided internally to order the a330neo later in the year, and this might change but right now I'd say Cathay getting the 330neo is very likely.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Only 8 (or less) days training for staff to move from A350 to A330n. Can't remember if it's exclusive to flight staff though. Easa/airbus documents confirm this, easy to find online.

[@Nonameinit]

@@drewfwieuriskfi they're replacing the old 777s with 777X

[@jpazinho]

It always amazes me to hear that the a350-1000 is a 4.5 year old plane...specially when taking into consideration that the - still to be certified - 777-9 (aka 777x programme) was meant to compete with the a350-900...

[@drewfwieuriskfi]

No 777x has no competitors. Is A350-1000 is to compete with 777 300er because Airbus taking a big L on 777 and a380 competition. And 777x is way bigger than 300er with similar fuel economy to a350

[@drewfwieuriskfi]

A350-900 is to compete with 787-10 and 777 200er

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@drewfwieuriskfi No 777X was stretched because it simply can't compete with a similar sized A350. See, 777-8 sales is miserable and not even potential airlines flying ULH are interested in it. A stretched A350-1100 vs 777-9 would be a non competition.

[@drewfwieuriskfi]

@@steinwaldmadchen A350 can't even compete with 777W when it comes to cargo carries which is very important to airlines.

[@drewfwieuriskfi]

@@steinwaldmadchen there is no A350-1100😂😂😂 777-x will be the ultimate plane

[@billc6762]

I used to fly CX F all the time. Now I have no interest in CX for the foreseeable future.

[@roystonpereira2887]

Best inflight meal , Cathay 👍🏼

[@michaelosgood9876]

100%!

[@billc6762]

The best airline food I ever had was from CX F class. The worst airline food I ever had was in CX F class also.

[@bernardszeto2064]

They need to beat Emirates’ pay packages (which include housing) to attract pilots back!

[@nicgeld]

Emirates' pay is actually not better unless you have kids and factor in schooling.

[@bernardszeto2064]

@@nicgeld that’s what I’m referring to!

[@keima1110]

The A321 are suppose to replace the A330 of Dragon air, which close during Pandemic. Cathay doesn't want the A321 in the beginning. Now they are stuck with A321.

[@nairdatsoi1093]

I guess they’re gonna order more new planes soon cuz the a333s are kind old by now

[@billc6762]

A321 has a back order of 1800. If CX doesn't want it, someone will.

[@axelsalim1736]

Hey you should really take a look on garuda indonesia. They have a very interesting story in the 2010s. Their fleet is still less than half operating then pre pandemic.

[@garychopping2184]

Was a member of Marco Polo prior to Covid but since joined Krisflyer as Cathay never returned to service Adelaide we have no other choice to travel ex Adelaide to any asian city.... Singapore Airlines will always be my go to airline now. and Changi much more interesting Hub than HK airport.

[@ulysseslee9541]

I took SQ, QF during 2010-2017 for HKG -ADL, as they are still cheaper than CX.

[@MeaHeaR]

Hittt thatt BuLLLonnn Heeee-Arrrrr

[@user-ec2ty7hu2b]

*C/O (CORRESPONDENT) (UNESCO) (UNITED NATION ORGANIZATIONS) (UNO):* The following is the specification of each type: Committee on Land Development Company: (Aircraft), etc. Airbus A300-B4 Engine: 2 × Pratt & Whitney Detailed Objective(s)9D-59A Maximum Speed (kph): 880 Range (km): 5,340 Seat Capacity: 244 Cabin Layout First (F)/Executive (C)/Economy (Y): 26C/218Y

[@Peizxcv]

What Cathay should do is apply to fly domestic routes within China and fly from mainland hubs. Essentically turn China from big 4 to big 5 airlines. Cathay and Hainan are both premium so they can commend higher fairs

[@leeyc0]

Believe it or not, Hong Kong-China routes are considered as INTERNATIONAL routes. Hong Kong airlines are considered as foreign airlines in China about flying rights arrangement, so they cannot fly domestic routes within China. There is nothing that CX can be done about this.

[@ulysseslee9541]

They still have a pilot shortage issue in 2023 DEC period, so can''t have a large number additional service til after CHinese New Year of 2024.

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

They have a pilot shortage for a very good reason.

[@billc6762]

@@goodshipkaraboudjan Recently they cut pilot benefits again.

[@Paco_Gaepedores]

Cathay is now unfortunately managed by a bunch of idiots 🥺

[@isaacng123456789]

As a Hong Konger, I don't see a bright future for Cathay Pacific. They have had hardware and cleanliness issues since COVID. Hong Kong is not doing well economically, and has no sign of recovery. HKG has lost its hub status to Tokyo/Taiwan/Singapore since Hong Kong locked its border for much much longer than the rest of the world. CX is probably at the bottom of the list among Asian airlines.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

So sad to see what's happened to Hong Kong since the handover. I have a few friends still work out there, they have said the feel of the place isn't the same anymore. They still love the Hong kongers though

[@canto_v12]

It’s hard to measure something like your sentiment, but CX’s continued high rankings don’t seem to agree here. I fly TPE-HKG all the time and TPE is worlds away from being the international hub that HKG is, even though Covid set it back some.

[@nicgeld]

​@@canto_v12 yeah I also can't share his sentiment because he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. Really keen for him to elaborate on the "cleanliness and hardware issues". Yes, HK will need to rebuild its aviation hub status, but to say it lost it to TAIWAN is laughable. And then saying CX is at the bottom of the list among Asian carriers. Yeah, this guy doesn't have a clue!

[@leocheung8864]

When the wages are low the service is slow. Cathay is a perfect case study of how not to run a business for business schools.

[@Sarid6-3]

Mmmmmm interesting that again you forgot to mention the A350F order that was already placed (in 2023) BUT you are Airbusaphobic!

[@ElvinaDumoulin]

Grounded what for?

[@Omb33]

They have lost more than a thousand experienced & senior pilots. They just guaranteed no paycut by the end of 2025 while others airliners improving the package to attract and retain pilots. They just keep recruiting cadets but it might take 6 + years to update from SO to FO or even longer....

[@notsureyou]

First?

[@kiribetio123]

Does anyone notices how dirty Cathay Pacific planes are? Not all but most of their planes look really dirty on the outside even some of their new A350 looks like it never been washed like ever 😂

[@billc6762]

I will be surprised if CX last another 10 years

[@user-ec2ty7hu2b]

*C/O (CORRESPONDENT) (UNESCO) (UNITED NATION ORGANIZATIONS) (UNO):* Industrial Bureaucracies are slowly being replaced in renewing organizations by flatter structures. These organizations have (considerably levels of management) and (human-resources management) responsibilities on the individual. Each person, as a result, *"only (18%) successfully they could count on business bureaucracies, while just (14%) said they still trusted labour union leaders."*

[@maradona1012]

Decent airline but HK is a boring city with rude people

[@dwightlooi]

Chinese occupied Hong Kong has no economy, no real rule of law, no freedom, no growth, no future and no hope. Being based in Hong Kong means that nobody wants to go to their Hub as a destination and long range mid-size planes like the 787 and A350 enabling long range direct flights means that the transit business is going down the tube. With the ChiCom airlines more than happy to eat Cathay's lunch in the Gateway to China segment and the implosion of China's own economy means that this is also a dying business. Cathay is done as a major airline like Hong Kong is done as a business center. It may be around a while yet, but it'll never be profitable at the size it is currently at.

[@rosetzu_nagasawa]

too many overpaid staff

[@nicgeld]

Oh really? Maybe go tell that to all the pilots who took up to a 50% pay cut, or the thousands of cabin crew, with some whose basic salary is 9k HKD a month.

[@user-ec2ty7hu2b]

Penipuan untuk orang yang tidak ada pendidikan profesi

[@michaelosgood9876]

What's your point?

[@user-ec2ty7hu2b]

Kalau kau tidak mampu investasi dan bayar persediaan, hati - hati bisa di penjara.

[@william7038]

PURE LIES!!

[@MM-rr7kl]

Cathay Pacific is recovering very strongly. I don't think DJ's Aviation understands the airline's dynamic and its financial strength which has strong shareholders and one of the strongest airlines in the Asia Pacific region. Go read the financial report and other management update. Please check your facts before making such rubbish videos.

[@nhall00195]

Treated their pilots like garbage…now trying to get them to come back…crew I know will never trust Cathay again. I’ve been told from sources aircraft are parked due to lack of pilots. Cathay are covering this up. Don’t mistreat your pilots!

[@andrewwickham4642]

Important, is not pronounced impor-ddant 🤯

[@nhall00195]

Chinese screwed their expat (round eye) crew…now they have no experienced/safe crew. Bye bye Cathay Pacific.