Grovyle and Dusknoir Don't Understand Time Travel

Don't ever get time travel lessons from movies kids...
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[@MrFlame-zk5cy]

I love to think that besides his name the only other thing piplup remembered from being a human is theories of quantum mechanics

[@Hadaron]

And what trains are

[@alakazamlover4908]

and maybe the plot of back to the future@@Hadaron

[@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583]

Wait yeah isn't the MC of these games a human who got isekai'd to the pokemon world??

[@plates7245]

@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 In this one specifically the human wad still human in the world until timetravel shenanigans happen.

[@nightlightshinebright5552]

Wouldn't be surprised if the human characters retained all the knowledge from human world, but just forgot anything that involved them specifically

[@Oxijinn_]

I love how this implies that, not only is Back to the Future canon in this series, but even in the time-frozen future, somehow Dialga has access to a working DVD-Player (or something similar), a copy of the movie and a TV Screen. PS: Love these skits, they're great!

[@godusopp1797]

Back to the Future: ✅️ Confirmed and bible to Time Travel laws Spongebob Squarepants: ✅️ Confirmed and entertaining for Time Gods

[@nickmalachai2227]

It also says the literal God of Time is basing things on Back To The Future rules.

[@G8tr1522]

and also, they don't know what trains are

[@invaliduser323]

Oh hey checkpoint guy

[@Mustache99]

my theory is before going mad he and palkia watched them and he asked him for one

[@somewackoonyoutube2449]

I like how Piplup cared more about explaining why Dusknoir was wrong than going on the Rainbow Stoneship

[@xxzmaster04xx29]

Literally the internet

[@megamatthew75]

To be fair, teaching an antagonist that their whole reason to oppose you is wrong is a pretty neat way of progressing. It’s nice to have intellectual fisticuffs rather than physical ones for once.

[@kevinmorad2563]

"Grovyle run me by that again were not going to disappear let me explain why!" *hours later Piplup disappears just to have Dialga revive him & see his partner on the beach crying* "wow that shit felt all too real remind me not to re live it god I feel lucky!" *happens again with Palkia waking & immediately warping them* "you son of a b**ch I was sleeping! do you know how long the Snorlax sleep!?" XD

[@zeta5341]

I love how Dialga just turns around and starts watching Spongebob

[@giuliogalante5733]

GROH

[@Kyumifun]

Ooooooooooooooh

[@dmann5938]

The new one has him watching Better Call Saul

[@thedailybrowser5951]

In Super Mystery Dungeon, Grovile, Dusknoir and Celebi all reappear with dialogue relating to their adventures in Explorers. So Piplup was ABSOLUTELY right... ...I think. Time travel is confusing

[@Apotheosister]

Some spoilers for some bonus content in PMS:EOS, skip if you want. There are bonus sections known as Special Episodes, which let's you play as another character and expand their story. In the fifth one you play as Grovyle in the future while the protagonists ascend through Temporal Tower. It explains what happens to the future Pokemon, Dusknoir's motivations and has a lot of great lines. The trio's appearance in PSMD does work out with what was set up in EOS.

[@elecmagpulse7385]

In my experience, there’s three main types of fictional time travel. The Back to the Future kind, the Prisoner of Azkaban kind, and that timeline thing with Schrödinger Piplup mentioned.

[@BierBart12]

I think the Harry Potter time travel is exactly the same as the BttF(Single, malleable timeline), just with different kinds of paradoxes

[@TitaniumDragon]

@@BierBart12 You can't change the past in Harry Potter; what happened, happened. You can, however, do things that don't contradict what happened before.

[@JamUsagi]

@@TitaniumDragon Until the whole thing with Cursed Child

[@wintersong2266]

And then there's The Legend of Zelda which switch between any of the three rules any time it fucking want, sometime even in the same game.

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

What Piplup mentioned is known as a Multiverse Theory. And it's a BITCH.

[@derpy433]

Can't blame them, time travel is confusing.

[@HyperTrent]

As a screenwriter I make a point to avoid it

[@scarfstrings.134]

Yeah but time travel fanfictions always tickles my fancy.@@HyperTrent

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Oh, time travel isn't really _that_ confusing. Just think of time as a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. - some guy with a PhD, I think

[@DragoSonicMile]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 "Actually, it's more of a rug... oh, never mind!"

[@drewluczynski9609]

Moral of the story: Time travel sucks

[@no1ryomafan585]

EOS gotta be one of few examples in media where a time travel plot is perfectly easy to follow and doesn’t get to complicated as it avoids most of the confusing aspects of time travel-no time loop crap, thank god-so it’s funny to see a skit making fun of the characters for taking the simple rules it established of time travel so seriously. Really good stuff!

[@HyperTrent]

I am professionally trained in writing and I can assure you EoS is one of the few stories that gets it right

[@SonicBlast4444]

​@HyperTrent can I ask what EoS is exactly? I keep trying tk figure it out and just....can't.

[@mr_fish44]

@@SonicBlast4444explorers of sky

[@SonicBlast4444]

@@mr_fish44 ooooooooh. Well now I feel dumb. I've never heard it called EoS anywhere so that's what tripped me

[@GhostGuy99]

Not exactly. There's literally a Special Episode where we play as Grovyle and Dusknoir fighting Primal Dialga in the future while the protagonists defeat him in the past. I won't elaborate any further because it just becomes a Grandfather's Paradox the more you think about it.

[@soulglitcher]

I guess it doesn't really matter, but I've always thought that it was an arbitrary rule set by Arceus so things wouldn't get out of hand, especially since Arceus clearly has the power to just ignore the rules of time travel if he wants, as evidenced by the future timeline not dissapearing.

[@alakazamlover4908]

i mean the plot of the Arceus movie implies he allows time travel and for future-people to affect the past

[@soulglitcher]

@@alakazamlover4908 Assuming that's the same Arceus, that is. But to be fair it would explain how the future was freed of its curse despite being a separate universe from the past...

[@alakazamlover4908]

i feel like it remembered Ash and friends, but i haven't seen Jewl of life in a hot minute @@soulglitcher

[@Theserperiortrainer497]

​@@alakazamlover4908yes however that did not stop the future because arceus was in it and truthfully arceus could have taken back the jewel at any time but only stopped judgment day when one showed compassion also this is headlining but I don't think arceus was going to die and the red eyes were sign of him getting ready to erase the universe.

[@alakazamlover4908]

i legit dont remember the movie so ill trust your judgement on that, i was just sourcing the only media we have that has both time travel AND Arceus in it @@Theserperiortrainer497

[@TitusRedwind]

If they were erased from time, they wouldn't have been able to "fix" the timeline in the first place creating a paradox. So assuming that the premise of time travel being feasible can't be false, the alternate time line theory holds considerable weight.

[@SupHapCak]

The thing for paradoxes is Why would changes create a loop instead of a branch? Like why would preventing your own existence somehow change the timeline that doesn’t exist anymore? It would branch from the time your existence is prevented, not loop and pluck you from and reset the timeline; you just don’t exist. Who prevented your conception? Still you, but now you cease to exist at the same time you prevent your own existence and the timeline branches and keeps going.

[@TitusRedwind]

@@SupHapCak you'd be deleting the timeline that you came from up to the point where you made the alteration. The you of THAT timeline is what caused a change, but if that timeline was erased, then where did the catalyst for change come from?

[@pikachucrusher2663]

Master Dialga is just like me, fr fr.

[@user-ICY-Andreid]

The way he talks or the way he just starts watching spongebob?

[@wrfsxxx8114]

@@user-ICY-Andreid Yes

[@aaronlopez5163]

Your making me wanna watch chowder rn. You know what screw it i’m doing it.

[@N_IRL]

​@@aaronlopez5163Did you enjoy watching Chowder

[@123alexkong]

Dialga turning to watch Spongebob was so unexpected people are looking at me why im laughing like mad

[@infiniteoctopaw]

"Whats a train?" + "Have you considered the plot of back to the future?" I don't know why, but that killed me. 🤣

[@marisolramirez9591]

I love the implication he knows the plot of back to the future but not what trains are

[@Some_awtter]

I love this style of content just the "did he take the time gears with him?" Is such a good detail!

[@IBW_3000]

The only thing I can come to (which I believe is still one hell of a stretch) is that it all depends on HOW you time travel: the tech/magic, the method, do you rewind time or travel through it, and so on.

[@wolvensheepclothing4252]

Man that ending was so unexpected I almost spit out my water that was comedy gold lmao

[@TouhouEXPolaros]

Really good quality on those skits! Its interesting that Dusknoir is pokemon from the future and yet seems to have the lack of knowledge of both a zoomer and a boomer.(Like seriously is there no trains in this world?)

[@Jann75]

a fellow touhou fan?

[@Riverbui]

as far as PMD games go I've never seen any train tracks or other forms of mechanical travel hidden anywhere. The closest thing we have is the power plant in the first game, but nothing in relation to travel. It's suggested the world could be a post human one, but there are a lot of missing things if that were actually the case. There is a train in pokepark 2 but that's irrelevant

[@fluttermon2468]

0:43 “BE F**KING FR” Piplup’s voice is so good.

[@XerKoro_neo]

I think that the Explorers games operate under the mass event principle of timelines in that there is an event, so giant and devastating that should it come to pass, all attempts at changing the future will be for naught. Should that massive event be prevented then the timeline will be irreversibly severed and changed from the old timeline. However, that future should still exist unless you consider the “canon event” idea from across the spider verse; that without that canon event having happened and the timeline severed, the future timeline ribbon would shrivel into nothing.

[@gluttonousgoddess]

I sorta see it more like how the doomed timelines of Homestuck work; otherwise how could Protag-chan come back? Perhaps Arceus went Theseus and rebuilt them with different particles but with all of their memories, or maybe there's many offshoot timelines that can't reach the main timeline without divine intervention. That sort of seems to be how Pokemon Ultra SM did it, with Rainbow Rocket. In regards to what divine intervention...Cyrus probably was the first to actually go back, probably got Giovanni since he's the most well known and actually ran a mafia, and it went on from there. Or maybe he got the Celebi hidden away, from HGSS?

[@invaliduser323]

Dialga watching spongebob suddenly, made me laugh way to hard LMAO also im so glad you’re getting more recognition I remember seeing your video in my recommended with like less than 300 views now its almost over 50k congrats

[@gluttonousgoddess]

Fun fact, Schrodinger's theory was meant to MAKE FUN OF that kind of thinking. The cat isn't alive and dead at the same time just because nobody sees it, it's definitely alive or dead but they don't know which yet. So Piplup's sort of right. What would likely happen is a branched or doomed timeline where the Pokemon exist but need divine intervention to interact with the main timeline (which is most likely what happened), the Pokemon exist but in different situations which would create a time paradox (because the whole plot is about causing said paradox), or the events would eventually happen just at another time (what Darkrai wanted to happen)

[@littlebigb5370]

2:04 I'd like to think that Dusknoir spent weeks, months, YEARS even, just to come back with the Back to the Future argument.

[@HyperTrent]

he really couldve taken as long as he liked lol so long as he comes back right after he left

[@Psy-Why]

I like just thinking piplup here is just TCNick3 and honestly it fits PERFECTLY

[@TheREALgeardogcat]

I friggin love these PMD voice overs! Please make more of these

[@Soviniy]

I'm so, so happy to see these games make any kind of resurgence, especially one so finely memed!

[@MBValentine]

cackling at the implication of explaining who Schrodinger was and all the leadup to explaining his theories

[@PrivateNickel]

Please don't stop making these.

[@corven03]

can you do one where it’s darkrai manipulating piplup in dark crater but they actually agree to it, much to everyone’s shock

[@crazykillerchimera]

Guys look!!! Its Tcnick3!!!!

[@ShyShimote20]

I was looking for this comment 😅

[@waterfrost5080]

Piplup really got an attitude

[@mattafields]

Dusknoir says he doesn’t know what a train is, but there was a train in back to the future 🤔

[@toolatetothestory]

He needed to ask Dialga what a train was too off screen

[@Scrubjay457]

Thar was BttF 3 tho. No trains in the 1st one.

[@lunathic]

Funny thing is that if Pimplup actually convinced dusknoir of this in game, he would have probably just given up or even assisted them. His entire motivation is not wanting to disapear so if he found out that he wouldn't disapear, there would have been no more reason to stop them.

[@toolatetothestory]

Which, to be completely fair, is a really good motivation to be a bad guy. Not wanting to die. Survival instinct. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

[@lunathic]

@@toolatetothestory What makes it great is that it is actually ambiguous if the Mc gang is actually morally right, they are basically comitting mass sacrifice cause they decided its justified by its ends. Its a giant trolly problem in its essence until Arceus goes "Just kidding, everyone lives".

[@toolatetothestory]

@@lunathic Seriously, saving the world, for a better future, at the cost of the CURRENT future and everyone living in it is a GREAT dilemma. Why tf have I only ever seen this in a niche Pokemon Spinoff?

[@isaaccho7752]

Aight this is high quality content the pokemon mystery dungeon series deserves

[@B.R.U.HGameDev]

I like how every time dusknoir gets technically defeated his immediate reaction is to go back to dialga 😅

[@Gabriel-lh7gy]

Primal dialga know they won't get erased but according to quantum mechanics if they created an alternative timeline it would be a alternative reality and Palkia would have a cooler power and they cant have that

[@nathanielbass771]

Chimchar was the best part and then it only got even funnier... wow. The deleted scene is a bit of untold genius XD

[@SuperSaiyanDCG]

Well this Piplup sounds really toxic... I wonder why..

[@DigibrenoX]

YO GUYS!

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

Yeah when I first played the game I got to that scene and was all "...wait...but if we never existed than we could never have traveled back to the past to fix a broken timeline that was never broken but without us the timeline would break and we'd have to go back and prevent ourselves from existing and oh no I've gone cross-eyed..." Terminator 2's ending had the exact same run-afoul with the Grandfather Paradox.

[@thedelly535]

Most viewers: Oh my god! It totally WOULD work that way! Piplup knows what's actually up! How could Dusknoir and Grovyle be such idiots! Me with a physics degree: (pulls out hair) MASS IS NOT A @#$%ING CONSERVED QUANTITY PIPLUP!!!!! THAT'S ENERGY!!!!! ENERGY I SAY!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@No_Sleepee]

Piplup is the sassiest Pokemon ever and I am here for all of it.

[@plates7245]

Timetravel stories man, they're never easy. Either you end up with new timelines that are disconnected like Trunks where going back only serves to help those in the other timeline and find crucial information, Static timelines that are just in a loop like the events of Young Justice's final season, or they are just confusing like how does a self erasure paradox even work.

[@erikwagner6050]

Or the mess that is Sonic 06

[@brendanl9715]

Dude these are incredible. Keep up the amazing work!!

[@caiobotelho9733]

I don't care how much sense it makes,the branched timeline thing takes a lot of fun out of time travel. No risk and no reward

[@iskallos7593]

I'm glad you made another one, they're so good!

[@woofexe4050]

I am so happy you are making more of these! 💙

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Sure, if you believe in the multiverse model and accept that "timelines" don't just move forward, but you still can't erase yourself in a single universe block-time model because whatever you're going to do in the past was already done in your past. Yeah, Dialga would have a lot more fun in a multiverse model. More interactive than a flip book.

[@lory3771]

I love how this is a meme that if you haven’t played the specific PMD game, you’ll think you know what’s going on but you actually don’t. It’s made for such a niche audience and I am honored to be a part of it

[@chugiakjrtheplaywwright6461]

This seems to be based off the Many-Worlds Interpretation that cropped up un the 1970s to "solve" the paradox of the waveform collapse brought forth by thought experiments like Schrodinger's Cat. The problem was that a lot of this "paradox" came from scientists asserting that quantuam mechanics "had to" work the same as other field physics we understood at the time, and the reasons why it didn't was because of some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of how it worked on humanity's part. The problem is that after decades of study, our best understanding of quantum physics could basically be summed up as "it's just built different", we can't find any clean explanation for why Quanatum Mechnaics works the way it does, and how it works with the classical physics, and we almost certainly aren't gonna find one anytime soon.

[@runaway74]

These are so good lmao, really good content. Please make em for as long as it's still enjoyable

[@athath2010]

really high quality here, good stuff I respect the effort put into the little things like mic quality, getting good still frames, and the dialga edit

[@problempixel-ian2663]

Remeber that this is the canonical sequel of piplup trying to make a worker's revolution.

[@minecraftexpertstudios7368]

Dialga's gotta watch his Spongebob.

[@tophatgeo]

These skits have been so fun. I adore all the voices so much

[@tadeuszabramowicz4953]

Thank you for posting a video on my b-day May your channel reach a huge milestone 😊

[@BunnyRain946]

So happy to see another one of these videos!

[@ExaltedTilemaker]

If Pokémon of the future cease to exist if the future is changed, that means they couldn't have been able to go back into the past to change the future in the first place, which means the future would be the same, which means they will exist, which means they do go back, and so on and so forth. It's an endless paradox.

[@snarkyginger1158]

Grovyle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on stoneship insurance

[@mobileterrarian3653]

In the words of Cell, "Multiverse Theory's a bitch"

[@IllusionMaster17]

Honestly I'm kinda surprised Piplup actually has knowledge of Schrodinger's time travel theory despiste losing memory. Also, I love how everyone is interrupting each other many times. And... Back to the Future is canon in PMD what?! Finally, Dialga watches Spongebob while waits? Neat.

[@jarodathehunter9124]

This is great. Glad you made more lol. Guess I’ll be subbing

[@woofexe4050]

The bit with Dialga and Dusknoir has to be my favorite bit, I love how Dialga just watches Spongebob after XD

[@MisterPineTree]

I freaking love this channel oh my god how can it be that you appear out of nowhere with these hilarious videos after only 15 years since Pokemon mistery dungeon explorer's of sky release?? I don't know why is that but please DON'T STOP

[@SourWine789]

I never thought I'd see Pmd content ever again

[@samiamrg7]

Holy shit, every moment of this is absolute solid gold! xD

[@luk3to]

OHMAGOD GUUUYS!! ...LOOK!! IT'S TCNICK3!!!

[@user-ICY-Andreid]

Only a few people will understand- YOOO GUYS LOOK!

[@8563person]

Piplup nick3

[@SuperSaiyanDCG]

OMG HOLY SHIT

[@user-ICY-Andreid]

I FOUND MY PEOPLE *YEAH BABYYYY*

[@randocalzone8772]

Party Crashers fans congregate here! The Vern Nation Congregation!

[@user-ICY-Andreid]

Im happy that alteast 3 people got the joke 🥲

[@advent8262]

Doing another playthrough of PMD. Remind me, where do you recruit the deity of time, Schrödinger?

[@Crowcus]

This is my new favourite series on KZbin

[@epicness877]

Bro boutta blow up after these first couple bombshells

[@smajet5640]

The voice acting here is so great!

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

I really hope you make more PMD parodies. This was always one of my favorite games.

[@quado7681]

Your Videos remind me of Solid JJ, hope there will be more PMD Videos Keep up the great work 😊👍

[@SiebayPlays]

And this kids is how the paradox Pokémon (in theory) were created)

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Technically they don't even need Schrodinger's theories, if the events that prevent the future from occurring require the future to occur, you either have a paradox or an open time loop. Given that a paradox can't exist (it's a closed loop with no valid entry point), then it must be an open loop, meaning that the future is actually part of the linear past (it can basically be thought of as you can't jump back from the future, but you can jump so far forward that everything's repeated up to the point you want to arrive (you can also always jump to any point between where you last jumped forwards from and where you first jumped forwards to, as your actions won't have a causal effect on your past)) For a visual explanation: (Original timeline up to divergence)>>{original timeline after your last departure}>||>(second timeline up until your last departure from it)>>{secondary timeline after your last departure}>||>(n-th timeline before your arrival) >> Indicates free time travel direction || Indicates a causal reset, where cause and effect are not carried over outside of what is brought across it by time travellers. () Indicates time that you cannot alter or travel to {} Indicates time that you can travel between freely both forwards and backwards (you can still only travel within it freely forwards).

[@eexploreon7408]

Look, it depends on which interpretation exists. Because I have one awnser. We can only timetravel to the future because going backwards would cause a grandfather paradox. But if we ignore the grandfather paradox, then going back in time to meet a past self is no longer time travel, we're now universe hopping because I created a new branch of reality with two mees in it.

[@aaronlopez5163]

Ah a legendary primal pokemon of culture. I hear kyogre and groudon keep having arguments around if ben 10 or adventure time is a better show. Honestly though i’m a chowder fan myself.

[@themerchantof1175]

If anyone is still confused about the rules of time travel, let me simplify it. It’s basically like DBZ rules, you’re not REALLY going into YOUR past but another universes present that’s like your past. No matter what you do in that universe, your timeline will still be the same, but that one will go into another course for better or for worse

[@Lucarivyle]

Grovyle is such an amazing character and they made him look even better in this!

[@sleepychickadee4087]

God, I’m so glad I found this channel.

[@paleo_ferns]

The ending absolutely destroyed me

[@hioman]

TCNick3 explaining to vernias why stealing from Brent is better (it isn't)

[@auramaster2068]

Absolutely magnificent, excellent even, quite possibly marvelous.

[@Mobius-ct9zq]

Oh that was absolutely delightful

[@mrnulif]

I watched this video with no sound. I swear I hear tcnick3 voicing piplup

[@Melonposting]

I love how Schrödinger and Back to the Future are known entities in the Pokemon world, yet trains aren’t

[@oscargonzalez3599]

Bro really just want to be left alone to watch TV ....

[@nkromancerN]

One thing I love is this implies Dusknoir has either watched BttF1 (and maybe 2), but not 3 since he doesn't know what a train is.

[@articusramos808]

Well, you got access to the Doc's train ? We probably need to go back before this happens. If uhh... well celebi considers it a plausible possibility

[@the_wooden_bear]

Also im loving these pokemon videos, please make more. 🙏🏿 i love the equivalent of a piplup still being a 25+ aged dude xD

[@cat_with_a_witch_hat]

I’m so happy I subscribed :D

[@the_wooden_bear]

I wouldnt say dissapear more like.... this timeline will be the equivalent of a corrupt save file or soft locked in an endless loop of death. Perfect example is you ever tried recovering from a death loop in fallout new vegas? Least you had the option to choose a save file you previously saved or can start a new timeline. Good luck trying to reset or go to a point in time you want at will.

[@AuraFlamePMD]

We need more skits like this! Maybe incorporate teams from us commenters? I have Team AuraFlame, so there's that. Maybe when Piplup meets Tobias (Who is a Lucario, previously a Riolu), Tobias would be confused on why Piplup says that he saved the world when Team AuraFlame has many alibis to back them up on THEM saving the world, only for Piplup to explain how parallel universes work, thus clearing up a lot of confusion. Vulpin (a Ninetales who was once a Vulpix and is Tobias's partner) would try to counter, only to be corrected by Tobias and Piplup. Title: "The Thing About Parallel Universes"

[@dmandaman9009]

you finally struck content gold. you crazy sunova bit, you did it.

[@Regibump37]

Spoilers for the ending… Piplup a few hours later: "Why is my body slowing down? Oh god, why I am glowing?!"

[@Ribbons0121R121]

Of course he uses time travel to abuse free trials to watch SpongeBob

[@HorizonOnDaHorizonYT]

“whazzat?” Is so relatable frfr

[@zuzu6470]

God I love this channel

[@NavF1]

If I have indeed any idea of how KZbin's algorithm works, all I can say is KEEP THESE COMING THEY'RE GREAT THE PMD COMMUNITY NEEDED THIS

[@renamation8098]

I cannot escape the timetravel shenanigans can I

[@AzureSkies58]

i love this so much