Growing up Mormon and Gay with

[@alyssadgrenfell]

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[@TheAnoila]

I'm not suprised by your Scandi genetics that was like first thing that popped in my head when I saw you on Shorts for a first time. I was like "This girl is totally Swedish looking!" Also Scandinavian migrants to USA were such a conservative fierce protestants so no surprise they became mormons :)

[@seleeneparis]

I would like to point out that some of your Scandinavian heritage might be due to the Vikings. I don't know exactly what your family tree is like outside of what your shared in a video. The Vikings did a lot of visiting of the Britannic islands. Especially Ireland and Scotland. They impacted a lot things in those countries. Some of which includes DNA. So you may not find it directly in your tree, but it can exist in large portions due to this Britannic heritage especially since your next largest portion of your DNA is ancestry from the Britannic islands.

[@kathilisi3019]

​@@seleenepariswhile it's true that Vikings mixed with British people a lot in the middle ages, that wouldn't account for 62% of her DNA. 62% points to more recent Scandinavian ancestors, but possibly a population of Scandinavian-American immigrants who then joined the Mormons. I do agree that a small portion of the Scandinavian DNA might be associated with Vikings, particularly because of the small percentage of Baltic DNA - the Vikings also mixed with people from the Baltics. There's one Scottish island where Vikings nearly wiped out the original population but assimilated to the Scottish culture, where the current residents whose ancestors have been living on the island for generations all have between 50 and 70% Scandinavian DNA, but they're the exception. For most British people with Viking ancestors, the DNA will be there in trace amounts.

[@tenerds4569]

Why do white people hate their culture. Everything bad you talk about in this station is same as haiti. We have polygamy.. bad hatian and good hatian. We are very traditional. Mom cooks and cleans. Dad work. But he drink too much. We do experience all abuse But i love my culture and love my country. I still love my family.. and know dad is just cursed from his dad that drank. You Americans are too judge of other people and other countries Protestant good people be proud of that heritage.

[@tenerds4569]

Now i see alley woman she has deceiving spirits. Her husband cursed her with his darkie. So not sure if you should trust her till that get cast out. I do find in genealogy research. Joseph smith only had kids from 1 wife. So probably didn't do perversion. I haven't really seen him yet in vision to know

[@celinepope]

My friend's ex boyfriend took his own life just days after pride. We saw him and happily chatted. His parenrs were mormon and he said he was going to come out to them. I only imagine how bad their rejection must have been to lead him to take his own life. Rest in peace.

[@onepunch5015]

May he rest in peace, that’s heartbreaking

[@Henri_Hilarious]

That’s so tragic. I’m so sorry.

[@onesunnyday5699]

I'm so sorry for all of you. As an ex JW, I understand. People are leaving in droves, but so much damage was done, then there's the SA accusations, disfellowshipping, tearing families apart, leaving the disfellowshipped utterly alone & unsupported. Many take their own lives out of desperation. These cults are demonic, if that exists. I don't know what is real.

[@Ashlyn-fc1cs]

@@celinepope I’m so sorry :(

[@outofmanyweareone6429]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@Hyram]

It was so special coming on your channel! Thank you for letting me share my story & I hope our chat can help to open people’s eyes 🩵 You’re amazing! 🫶

[@alyssadgrenfell]

You’re the amazing one, Hyram. It was so amazing to meet you and I really appreciate you coming on my channel 🤩 Thank you for being willing to share your story with so many people :) it truly is so eye opening.

[@Fluffybunny233]

❤❤❤

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Thanks Hyrum. Blessings on your journey. ❤❤🎉🎉

[@underthesamemoon8871]

We love you Hyram! And Alyssa!❤

[@roshandala]

@Hyram where's the video on your channel!

[@BuggMann91]

Its amazing to me that somehow God's plan of happiness makes so many people hate themselves and feel like they dont want to be alive anymore.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Maybe bcuz God has nothing to do with it....

[@nickywal]

Technically rules initially for Jewish elders that were only extended to the entire population when they doubled down during the Babylonian exile and some of saint incel's rantings. Then again Paul actually existed

[@PhyreReighn]

Utah kids are used as social, religious & entrapment PAWNS Expectations are around each corner. PRIDE, power, control, sex & popularity do not allow for the fictitious folklore, " To thyself be true" lol

[@luckysunbird8862]

They are relieved when a gay person takes their own lives. Most Christians would prefer a dead kid to a gay kid. Freaking disgusting.

[@timwarcloud]

Darwinism😂

[@beepboop272]

I had no idea Hyram was Mormon! Love his content.

[@alyssadgrenfell]

I know, I wondered early on because his name is Hyram (the same name as Joseph Smith's brother, just slightly different spelling).

[@HaveaBiscuitt]

I could feel it in my bones 😂 but I had never heard any mention of it in his videos! So excited for this video 🥹 two lovely people

[@jcg03002]

​@@alyssadgrenfellI had seen an early video of his talking about BYU in Hawaii, growing up Mormon, and being disowned, and it was the first time I'd directly heard this - from Hyram!

[@ARussianAbroad]

He’s been very open about that and has a wonderful video on his channel about how his mental health spiralled after getting disowned! Highly recommend

[@thetoast144]

This video makes me sick that he texted her and has her number, this video greatly mourns the Holy Spirit... A lot of mormons are gay, it's really sad. I met 4 divorced women in Utah county and every one of them had a homosexual husband that cheated on them. Sad the mormon church will allow Gays to be in their church real soon, but no surprise they are losing a lot of members. The homosexual parade in SLC was huge and took up dozens of blocks. A Top 3 homosexual city in America is SLC. Homosexuals will NOT make it to Heaven. He needs to repent... everyone reading these words should pray for him to repent.... sry to bust your bubbles but GOD mentions it in the Bible homosexuals will not inherit eternal life. Sad Alyssa is giving him so much time on her channel saying he is so smart... ugh ....UNSUBBED.

[@Zeett09]

How does a parent disown a child over being gay? Mind blowing.

[@ValLeeWeblog]

When I was in high school and college, I never heard of anyone wanting to be the opposite sex. I never heard of anyone being gay! I never heard of a student being violated or shot. Purity was the way of life for most every student. This was when pure Biblical morals were still respected. What we view today is what satanic indoctrination has produced, plus the removal of the teachings of the Bible which calls us to consider each person as being more important than ourselves. Today, you have to approve of deadly lifestyles, full of unspeakable behaviors, and parades where they wear little clothing or none. And we know gay month is all about recruiting, even the youngest of children using their rainbow colors, indoctrinating them into this excrement lifestyle. They have to force this on people because common sense exposes that these are terminal lifestyles. A company recently wrote me and it ended with she/her/hers/ insanity. It is all about advertising to recruit. Trying to sound styling with this deadly crowd. Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”

[@zulutron1275]

@@ValLeeWeblogtake your hate somewhere else and let people be who they are and happy.

[@aggy5372]

Pretty common unfortunately

[@timwarcloud]

Happens all the time.

[@Docypher]

To them, it’s a sin on the level of assaulting someone or being a pedo. It’s irrational to most people to be so homophobic, but when those ideas are drilled into you for your whole life, your child being gay is one of the worst things that can happen.

[@big_comrade7653]

The praying every night to be "normal" is such a relatable thing. I used to do that between the ages of 10-15. As a Catholic though. Really sad to think so many children hated themselves so much to do that

[@lucilleverton5202]

Even growing up with loving Atheïst parents, I "wished" (looking back very similar to praying, I was just hoping someone/-thing with higher power would listen/answer) to be normal. I am now diagnosed on the spectrum. Surprisingly I had better experiences being in more practicing religious schools for them to be active in stopping bullying, but that's living in a very atheist minded country (60% is non-religious)

[@diemdia]

Ex-vangelical from the midwestern US, same (,: don’t even get me started on punitive self punishment going on too. I confided in another kid who I knew was gay one time, he denied it, told me I was possessed, and we never talked again. The utter loneliness that just feeds the cycle of self hatred is intense. I’m sorry about what you all went through too. In case any kids are reading this - you’re stronger than you realize, and life gets so much better!

[@jac9366]

​@@lucilleverton5202an interesting and important comment as it speaks to the common experience that young people feel they aren't normal and can't be accepted as their true selves. Strict religious belief systems can add extra layers of anxiety, however they're not required for someone to experience these feelings and to really struggle mental health wise as a result...

[@Saphira-Seraphina]

Ex free church movement here. When I realised I was asexual my first thought was how glad I am that I got to have the less bad of the "wrong" sexualities. I'm in a same-sex relationship now because I did not realise that I might have a not-straight romantic orientation.

[@HaleyLaub]

OMG Same but I came out to a Priest this year finally and the most shocking thing is that I wasn’t shamed instead I was loved. The Church is changing in a positive direction when it comes to gays, ex Fr James Martin.

[@PSMITHjl]

I’m glad to see you two survived that insane, manipulative cult. All the best.

[@germantoenglish898]

Agreed. And I would include all religions in this category.

[@hippychicken82]

​@germantoenglish898 not every single religion is a cult! If it's demand ur attention all the time and manipulates you to belive, then it's a cult. Basically if u try and leave and its a problem its a cult. I'm an Atheist but understand the difference

[@PSMITHjl]

@@germantoenglish898 as do I.

[@sallyewilkinson]

NOT A CULT!!!!! THAT IS BULL SHIT

[@hippychicken82]

@sallyewilkinson the only people who say it's not a cult are the ones in, do u see why that would be case? If ur not able to see it then maybe have a look at othet cults and see if u have any similarities?

[@mathonitorke6764]

Loved this episode. I am a 45 year old gay man, grew up mormon, served the mission, married a woman but left it all behind 20 years ago. Looking back, I can say though, I enjoyed my 2 years being a missionary. I don´t agree with anything this cult stands for, dont get me wrong, but the 2 years on a mission really taught me a lot about myself, my struggles, life and friendship. Even if it was just for the fact of being the most obedient missionary, praying daily for the gay to go away. It taught me, there is nothing I could have done differently. I am born this way.

[@maggg8450]

Beautifully written. Thanks for sharing your story 💙

[@WhoopsyDaisyDoo]

Your poor wife. How tragic that the trama has a domino effect

[@stephanieonlife3657]

I am a transgender woman who was raised by Roman Catholic and Jehovah witness parents.. Coming out I lost my entire family and life saving’s . I love your content ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lingodelfo5415]

I hope you are doing better and I wish you to be who you are 100% 😊

[@AnnaDeeDee]

[@sophiefdez]

im so sorry ml

[@marianap.h3961]

I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you have found your chosen family. I myself left the Roman Catholic Church at 12 because at that point the hypocrisy of the religion was too much. As a 12 year old girl both the sexism homophobia and transphobia was more hatred than I could handle.

[@mayaflici374]

Sending you much love 💖 you're loved and I hope you're doing better now

[@phillisob]

What a timely collab! This one will really ruffle some feathers and generate much-needed conversation around an issue with which the "church" is currently wrestling. Thank you both! ❤

[@alyssadgrenfell]

Yes, I feel like this conversation was so important, especially in light of the new "guidelines" concerning trans members of the church.

[@Latter-dailyDigest]

​@@alyssadgrenfellur the best!😊

[@phillisob]

@@alyssadgrenfell Exactly. I can't wait to see what "revelations" come from the fallout. 🤣

[@chairthrower]

I was once told it it's important to grieve for things you lose even if the change is what you wanted. There were aspects of your life that were good; it's okay to miss them while being sure you made the right choice.

[@Mayabee321]

I left the Mormon church 10 years ago. I remember being in the temple during the endowment ceremony and I thought to myself, “this is complete bullshit. If there is a God, there is NO way God wants things to be this complicated. Secret handshakes? Are you kidding me? This is a cult. I have to get out of here.” My family recently started going to a Baptist church and I attend with them, but my heart is not in it. They still say homophobic things, they still say that I’m going to hell if I don’t accept Christ as my personal savior. I go with my family because I get to see my nephew and my brother, and usually afterwards we go out to eat which I really enjoy. But I just don’t want organized religion in my life anymore. At some point I’m going to have to stop it. Maybe join them for the meal afterwards but that’s it. I believe in the power of love and friendship, I believe in art, I appreciate nature and education and community. I still have values, but I chose them for myself based on what resonated with me.

[@philmabarak5421]

You hit the nail on the head! Perfect. Agree 100%.

[@Mayabee321]

@@philmabarak5421 thanks! I appreciate that

[@rosemariecawkwell2233]

My cousin used to take a book to work and read. The trick is to take a book that is slightly smaller than the prayer/hymn book. I just used to sit at the back and trynot to fall asleep by looking at the architectural features of a 13th century stone church. This is how you survive church when you're not interested.

[@fugithegreat]

While I find academic religious studies fascinating, I have no desire to be part of a religious community anymore. When I go back to Utah to visit my mom, I have to treat it in my head like an anthropological study and be completely seperate from everything that goes on in my hometown because otherwise it makes me too angry.

[@Mayabee321]

@@fugithegreat an anthropological study… that’s a great way of looking at it.

[@andrewcanteven2687]

As another gay man who grew up in the church I also never really drank the kool aid. It just never made sense to me.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

It's the truth. Was convert. My question was always where is Jesus in this church????

[@coolkitten6726]

me too. something just never really clicked for me even before i knew what made me different

[@zontzooit2415]

I was never mormon but I was raised Catholic and idk why but if youre gay youre either hyper religious and guilt yourself or youre nust always questioning and realize earlier than most kids how absurd the religion youre in is 💀

[@jodi-annedavidson5348]

As a straight woman that grew up in the church, it seemed obvious to me that people are born this way (at 13 yo) and that this was not right to ostracize people for being themselves and this was one of the most clear reasons I could not be apart of the church. It wasn’t logical. I could never believe a god that created all of us would want me to accept an ideology of discrimination, division, constant guilting and shaming, and intolerance. Glad I left that behind by around 14.

[@lynnefox4892]

"Jesus loves the little children soooo much, he made every tenth one grow up hearing they are abominations before God, you know, the loving God who made us all." That's where they lost me.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WOULD DROP THIS SO CASUALLY WITH NO WARNING I WAS NOT EMOTIONALLY PREPPED ‼️✨

[@underthesamemoon8871]

AND YOUR SHOUTOUT!

[@alyssadgrenfell]

🤩🤩🤩 I know, it all happened so fast 😭😭 thank you for your celebration 🥹🥹

[@lingodelfo5415]

27:10 hey, actually, a video on mormon vernacular would be cool! You've covered some replacements of swearwords and words like "diso" (disobey), and of course the voice, but I love language, and I want more tea! Words, phrases, text style?? Emojis?.. whatever it is!

[@betsybrandt1183]

This would be such an interesting video!

[@fpcooper95]

Yes, I've had to rewind and figure out what she's talking about on other videos where she has guests! They slip into these phrases and topics so naturally because they were used all their lives. I had to look up Temple Reccommends on the first one I saw 😂❤

[@Abril-1234]

Soaking lmaoooo

[@fugithegreat]

My cousin came out as a trans woman about 15 years ago. Her parents completely disowned her and I haven't seen or heard of her since, though she did make a phone call to our grandmother before she died because I guess my other cousin let her know that. I wish I knew her whereabouts, and even her new name to be able to look for her, just to let her know that there is still someone in her family who accepts her for who she is. Most gay and trans kids in my ultra-mormon school were closeted, and for the one or two that were out, life was made very hard. There was one kid in my class who was so obviously a boy that had been mislabeled as a girl, although we weren't even taught about gender identity it was obvious as night and day to everyone, but of course they weren't able to be who they were. A couple of years after graduation, they unalived themself. 😞

[@trueloveeditorial7239]

I'm so sorry for your losses. 😢 I hope your cousin finds you sometime so you both can have loving, accepting family.

[@redflamearrow7113]

It is so very sad to put anyone, especially kids, in situations that ending life seems to be the only solution.

[@ChrisMinusHumour]

I was walking down the street in Edinburgh Scotland and was met by two pretty young women near my university. They were being really friendly greeting everyone going past and they smiled at me and asked me if I wanted to talk to them about Mormonism. I just said to them, "sorry, I know you guys don't like gay people and I am gay". They immediately claimed they don't dislike gay people and tried to reassure me I would be accepted. Needless to say, I didn't take a Book of Mormon home.

[@XBladeG]

They'll say "love the sinner not the sin" to get in your mind.

[@monyetgoblog7038]

@@ChrisMinusHumour once they have you on their hook they'll exploit you for money and free labor. They'll make you feel bad about yourself to keep your self-esteem low. This ensures that you don't start thinking for yourself.

[@amandab2337]

That's so funny, I was also approached by 2 Mormons (men) in Edinburgh who invited me to their church (in Morningside I believe), despite me telling them that I'm a Christian and married to a Christian man. They still insisted on me coming to their church WITHOUT my husband! I mean talk about going against their beliefs (like in your situation as well) just to recruit you to join their cult! 😳

[@amandab2337]

Were the mormon girls that approached you from Utah as well? I remember one of the men that I spoke to was called "Elder Peacock" 😂

[@NerfHerder909]

I saw a couple of male missionaries on the Tube in London last week. I wonder if they're intensifying conversion efforts here or something. And that is so disingenuous of them to claim that any gay person would be "accepted" in a church that has a long history of vehemently opposing same-sex marriage. Like, they may not have personal animus towards gay people, but come on, ladies.

[@playnicechannel]

It has always beyond baffled me that parents could disown their beloved children for whatever their sexual orientation or gender identity turns out to be. My home in Los Angeles wound up as temporary haven for the friends of my daughters who were kicked out for this reason. I always contacted the parents to say I was in no way trying to interfere in their family dynamic, but we live in Los Angeles and I would tell the parents, if you don’t know what happens to a teen on the streets with no job, no home, no education - just go to Hollywood Blvd any night and you will see what happens to them. There is a sea of predators just waiting to exploit your child. *SO*, they are here, they have a safe place to sleep, food when they are hungry and a ride to school or work. I hope you can lovingly resolve the issues, but at least you can know they are safe. I used to try to imagine *what* either of my kids could have done to get me to reject them. They are now 34 and 29 and still I have never figured out what it could possibly be. Meanwhile, all those “kids” have grown up happy and varying degrees of successful and I get Mother’s Day greetings and Christmas greetings from almost all. I am so happy they have all been able to be their authentic selves. I cannot imagine a reality where they were trapped in a situation which was acceptable to their family, but devastating to their souls.

[@nickywal]

The only thing a family member could do to make me disown them, and one former member is rotting in prison for it, is hurt children or animals. Hilarious that the Mormon church which has so many issues with child abuse, will defend them to the death if they're straight. You did an amazing thing, those kids will always thank you

[@playnicechannel]

@@nickywal Yes, I suppose that is true. I am very blessed I have never been confronted with anyone who preys on children. It is the most unforgivable of all crimes. But it is…. You know a crime. So I suppose I focused more on what sort of “non criminal” behavior could make me walk away from my daughters. I do feel intensely sorry for the mothers of child (or even adult) sexual predators. It must just shatter your heart in a thousand pieces.

[@matthalaboo6694]

What do the parents say when you tell them that?

[@nickywal]

@@playnicechannel Yeah something they didn't choose, that doesn't harm anyone, what difference does it make. His own mother told him he was dead to her, it broke her heart but she was right to do it

[@playnicechannel]

@@matthalaboo6694 They said various things from, well that would make their kid realize their egregious mistake to ok whatever, they just can’t live here. I was understanding, in their eyes their child was intentionally and willfully destroying the future they had in their minds as well as the present view of the family. Many could not imagine this wasn’t something the kid COULD just snap their fingers and change. It was impossible for them to understand their kids were born this way (to quote Gaga)

[@emmamunro7208]

I absolutely love how much this channel has grown.

[@alyssadgrenfell]

I absolutely love that you've been following along for the crazy ride! 🎉🎉

[@HPB1776]

Same, I look forward to these videos so much x

[@marlakelly4975]

i literally never comment on videos (like in my 15 years of watching). but i feel so compelled to say how sorry i am that hyram has been abandoned by his family. how sad for them to miss out on such a wonderful, successful and inspiring son. it makes me really emotional. i’m sending you love, hyram, and i hope your chosen family is everything you need! thank you for all your videos, alyssa. i’m a never mormon, but i grew up catholic and i find these videos so fascinating.

[@ashleighsummerlin2811]

Came here to say what everyone else is saying! Colab I didn’t know I needed, didn’t know he was Mormon and I love you both! He’s helped my skin and you’ve helped my soul!! Love you both!!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

What a lovely comment. 🎉🎉

[@nickywal]

Like everyone else, Hyram helped save my skin during the pandemic, I had no idea about being ex-Mormon but I guess the name makes sense. A friend's wife did the whole marry a man thing, just never occurred to her she was gay, her and her ex are doing pretty well with co-parenting and she's happily married to a woman now. I'm glad even growing up in a part of Ireland heavily influenced by a political party started by a rabid homophobe, being queer was never this bad thing and I never had an issue with it. But it shows how much harm these groups cause people for things they don't choose and can't change

[@winterjade3666]

This was so interesting! I grew up Baptist (and gay) and I relate to so much of what Hyram said. Growing up queer and religious is such a wild journey. Thank you Hyram for sharing your experiences! It’s not often that I feel seen and understood by content creators, but this felt like looking into a mirror. At any rate, thank you for sharing your stories and journeys with us!

[@silviasaks]

As an atheist from Estonia I've been loving your videos! Growing up we were taught about different religions as a part of cultural history. Since most people in Estonia are atheists or agnostics we (the school kids) never fully understood the WHY part of many religions. WHY people believe these principles? WHY people follow them so firmly? WTF really is God? You are very well spoken and it is so interesting to hear about what you went through growing up and how a religion teaches a person to think a certain way. Basically - love your channel, keep doing what you're doing! ´

[@lingodelfo5415]

Your northern neighbour here. I remember learning about different religions too, including mormons, but I don't remember ANY of the crazy stuff she's talking about! Jeez... Must be the pedagogical degree, that's why she explains everything so well!

[@anne.ominous]

Many people believe that the world did not come to being on its own. That it had a creator. There are all kinds of fascinating philosophical reasonings for theism.

[@CitySurvile]

Nice to meat you comrade from part of Estonia you are live in small contry my self

[@sallyostling]

I've been saying for years that Hyram needs a Mormon Stories Podcast interview.

[@lazy-gyal0077]

I used to watch Hyram as a teenager to get rid of my acne (and his advice worked). I can't believe he was Mormon, I had no clue!

[@Zoinski]

yess best crossover! can’t wait to watch

[@alyssadgrenfell]

It is always so fun to chat with another Exmo :) thank you for watching and commenting!

[@silverbailey-2025]

I am 17 and a lesbian and consider myself an ex Mormon I still live with my family who go to church and I relate to this video so much, I started questioning my beliefs when I was about 13 or 14 but part of me knew before that, that I did not agree or belief in the church. it is difficult still being at home when I know none of it is true. it took me so long to accept myself as a lesbian, I remember being in young women's for the first time listening to all of the other girls talk about what they wanted in a husband and relizing I did not want anything they were saying and it took me so long to be okay with being attracted to other women. sorry if this is just rambling.

[@thepreacher5934]

REPENT

[@Lea-s5x]

It’s not rambling, thank you for sharing your experience, it must be hard going through all of this alone, I hope things work out for You and you can leave safely. Coming from a bi woman, can’t wait for you to meet more of us, assuming you haven’t already. And don’t let this old man’s words get to you, he can su*ck it.

[@timeforlaurynsopinion5138]

it's not rambling, thank you for sharing! i hope you'll be able to safely leave and be yourself. just know that you're not alone ♥️

[@DanaTheInsane]

@@thepreacher5934 repent love embrace hate be religious.

[@betsybabf748]

@@thepreacher5934 You need to get professional mental health help then repent. Hateful, ignorant morons have nothing to do with Jesus, and clearly you are the one with the issues on which to work.

[@Saje3D]

If you disown your child, especially for stuff they cannot help, you’ve utterly failed as a parent.

[@anne.ominous]

Would you also consider it wrong for parents to disown their (grown) children for chosen decisions that fundamentally oppose their moral values?

[@kjosu]

@@anne.ominous YES ABSOLUTELY

[@anne.ominous]

@@kjosu Okay, thanks for answering! Care to entertain a hypothetical then? Let’s say you have a child who grows up and becomes devoutly religious. Your adult child now believes any and all $e Xual activity which does not occur between a husband and wife is immoral. Your adult child now believes @b orshun should be illegal. He acquires a political science degree and goes on to have a successful government career wherein he advocates for @b ortionists to put behind bars. He advocates for marriage to be legally recognized only between a husbands and wife. He advocates for the banishment of women in civic authorities, the banishment of birth control pills, IVF, and surrogacy, the banishment and federal criminalization of all $ ex work, including 🌽 -ography. On and on and on. Will you continue to welcome this adult child into your home with warm, welcoming arms? If your answer is yes, I extend my respect for your consistency. If your answer is no, then you have contradicted your own position.

[@anne.ominous]

@@kjosu I wrote a reply, but it seems it has been filtered out. Let me try a simpler response. Think of an action, attitude, or behavior that you believe to be truly evil, hateful, immoral, etc. This can be anything that you detest and consider to be morally wrong. Now, imagine you have an adult child who wholeheartedly believes in the thing you have thought of. Not only does your adult child believe in this thing, he or she champions it as a form of good in the world, to be honored and respected. Would you maintain a friendly relationship with your adult child in this instance?

[@kjosu]

@@anne.ominous Children, in your case a grown adult is not an extension of their parent. Your kid is an individual who has the capacity of developing their own beliefs. The moment you think you can not maintain a relationship or even coexist with your child's choices/ beliefs because they don't resonate with yours is the moment you have failed as a parent.

[@mortenle]

I won a few Academy Awards for acting like a normal, straight, cis adult...at the age of 7. Nothing awkward about an anxiety ridden 7-year-old with hyper self-awareness acting like an adult who believed so maturely in Mormonism. I was admired by other adults, given attention for my acting which becomes almost real with enough practice, and the deeper me just disappeared or never even came out.

[@borkbork4124]

Sooo early, love Hyram! You healed my skin during the pandemic!❤

[@alyssadgrenfell]

He gave me so much helpful advice too!

[@peterhoyt2529]

Thanks for sharing your story, Hyram. I’m a gay ex-Mormon who is from Utah and currently live in Salt Lake. I’m often surprised by how many gay Mormons have supportive family. Hearing how you were disowned is a real experience. I came out in my late twenties (I’m 35 now) and have tried to find a balance of spending time with my family since I’m close to a few siblings. But for the last seven years my dad has been aggressively homophobic and my mom has been passive aggressively homophobic, both guilt tripping me and calling me to repentance in their own ways. I haven’t gone home for Christmas since 2017, and only went home for Thanksgiving once since that time because a close sister encouraged me to. It’s hard to explain to many people why navigating relationships with family is so hard, especially Mormons who are ignorant about the church’s homophobia.

[@sunnijo]

Guarantee you Hyram has an older brother named Joseph. No one who isn’t devout Mormon names their kid “Hyram”

[@chlyri]

it would be a younger brother named joseph.

[@sunnijo]

@@chlyri Not based on order of importance in the church. They prioritize the name Joseph, have a second son, and think it would be cute to name the second kid after his brother. Happened in my family

[@batory147]

Oh, Hyram is religious name?

[@sunnijo]

@@batory147 Joseph Smith’s brother. I know 5 Mormon/ex-Mormon Hyrams and have never met anyone else with the name.

[@tannisroot]

Oh, this just further confirmes fraternal birth order effect haha

[@nit11]

My grandad was homosexual in a deeply Catholic country (Spain, not the same anymore), in a isolated area (literally, a tiny island, it made everything look like -50 years). The country was so catholic in part due to politics, since we had a dictator who was Catholic too, and made his beliefs law, if you didn't go to church, you could end in jail. He was supposed to marry a woman (oldest daughter of the family who helped raising him, he was orphan, the middle of a civil war doesn't help survivability), in an arrenged by convenience marriage (even between the poor it was the norm). He decided to ran away and got married with the sister of his fiance, his best friend. They had kids (2), and his wife died when my mother was 3. She doesn't know if my grandfather loved my grandmother as a woman, but she know they where at least friends and loved her in that way. When my mother was 10, arrived the hippy movement and the idea of free love. My grandfather had some couples, all of them men. He died before I was born, at 40 years, but when I hear this stories I remember him. My mother never asked too many details, no teenager wants to ask details about the sexual live of their parents, and then, it was too late, but the few details I know... I really can relate.

[@nit11]

@@isabelgomezrangel1548 No, i always been atheist, my parents Catholic but not active, my grandparents catholic who went to church every week. In the era of my grandparents and childhood of my parents, there was a cult level dictator in Spain (Francisco Franco), who made sharing his beliefs enforced by law, that is the reason I can empathize with religious oppression. It was also oppressive because we live in a tiny island without resources, 2/3 the size of New York, and until the tourist arrived, it was a poor small community, where everyone knew everyone, a lot of cousins marriage and other too close family to be comfortable looking at my family tree, I share that with mormons too (not polygamy, at least). What is different is that due to be a poor tiny place, bringing any technology here was wastefull, so until we had money due to tourism. My parents remember when electricity arrived to their homes, and only really rich people had car, the same ones who had phone (one or two per town), imagine my grandparents era, it was medieval era with some extra religious oppression sprinkled on top, i can't imagine how hard it had been being homosexual in that time

[@stroke6234]

Gracias por compartir la historia. De que isla era tu abuelo?

[@chendaforest]

@@nit11 Ibiza couldn't be more different today :)

[@bobbiejones9266]

I can not understand turning away from a child because they are gay! I remember the day my granddaughter told me she was gay and introduced mevto her partner. I could never love her less!! She is still the same loving, kind, unselfish soul she has always been. She worried about her syanding with her Farher in Heaven. I told her that was nothing for her to worry about as her Heavenly Father made and rhere was nothing about her he didnt akready know and as long as she kept her personal relationship with him strong and accepted His Son as her Savior she was fine. I told her that if my Heavenly Father prepared a place for me he also prepared a place for her!! I also love her partner also. Both are wonderful young women who care so much for others. They are accepted and loved by everyone in the family and they fit right in. I am so sorry for Hyrum and his parents not having a great relationship. That is very sad. I could never ask someone to be what and who they are not. I want to be loved and accepted so why would i not love and accept others just as they are!?

[@leslieannepalermo7155]

You are a beautiful person and an awesome grandmother! Your love and acceptance for your granddaughter and her partner is what will help her see that God loves her too. I am also very sad for Hyram and I will pray that the day will come that his family will come to terms with who he is and reach out to him with love.

[@iwantataco6301]

I’ve only just started the video, but I grew up JW and how Hyram is describing viewing the church very logically and not believing in what he was told and thinking there was something wrong with him and how lonely it was was EXACTLY how I felt growing up! I always thought everyone who believed had this moment where they woke up and they believed, then that god didn’t love me because he couldn’t make me believe and he wouldn’t protect me from those fears and my anxiety. Nobody else who has left has ever described feeling the same way as I had, it’s so refreshing and just… validating to hear that I’m not the only one with this experience!! I still had a bit of that isolated feeling like there’s still something wrong with me because nobody I had ever talked to had the same experience as me. It just means a lot for one of my old favorite youtubers to have an experience like that that I can relate to 💜💜💜

[@jessgorman7896]

Getting kicked out was the best thing that ever happened to me, but to that point, the damage was a lot more than I knew at the time.

[@1701beth]

I don’t know if you’re familiar with the “It Gets Better Project” started by Dan Savage. It is stories of queer people coming out. The title and message is to queer kids to tell them to hang on because life gets better. Your work seems similar, but directed to Mormons.

[@katieh1752]

I'm so thankful Hyram is open with his story and also glad he found success and hopefully happiness.

[@juliedevlin6175]

It breaks my heart Hyram that your parents disowned you. I love your amazing attitude of insight and creating a chosen family. Much admiration for you to be true to yourself and your own heart and beliefs.

[@kimmychan1967]

Loss of self/identity at 53 was SO HARD. Thank you so much for having Hyram. I started wstching him when I was still Mormon & heard him talk a little about leaving & his family experience. I just wanted to hug him & tell him it’s ok to be gay. Little did I realize just how hard it is to be Mormon & gay or even Christian in most instances. I am so glad I am free to love everyone without boundaries or a lens of pity or superiority. It’s wonderful to see the younger generations able to be more open. It was hard & painful to change who I was as a TBM but SO WORTH IT!

[@sarahlongstaff5101]

It’s so hard to doubt from the beginning and then be punished for not complying. It’s hard being a star and they want to carve off all your points and shove you through a round hole. I’m glad Hyram found community.

[@Tiniestwombat]

Points that can't be carved away without destroying the star. Absolutely evil. Stars are meant to shine

[@dbul2542]

That’s a great metaphor.

[@niamhduffy2012]

Absolutely love this, glad Hyram has found a space to be himself, he is a legend and saved my skin. Love your videos Alyssa, have been deep diving your content for a few months absolutely love it, so intriguing as an atheist from the UK. We have Mormon churches around us but didn't realise till i found your content! xx

[@tinkeramma]

Your temple clothing and garments videos are the first I ever saw of yours. My bonus daughter sent me the one about temple clothing, asking me if it was legit and apologizing but saying I was the only adult she could trust to answer honestly. So I did. At the time, it was still sacred to me. However, so is she. It was that simple.

[@billr6887]

What a pleasure to listen to your mature, intelligent, person-centered discussion. You have both had tremendous and painful challenges, but have dealt with them and made healthy choices. Your work here on KZbin undoubtedly helps thousands of people.

[@christopher3d475]

Many of us who are gay and grew up in the 70s and 80s version of mormonism got a real ass-whooping. It was way worse back then than it currently is. Even in 2015 when the November policy was announced, that was peanuts compared to the hostile environment towards gay people in the 70s and 80s. Many of us survived that but it created real emotional scars.

[@jackbennett2269]

I never realized that I felt so ostracized as a kid as a mormon. I just felt like something and many things were deeply wrong with me, and that feeling is such a big part of me today. I completely relate to his experience of not having a testimony ever, and feeling alone. Appreciated hearing from him

[@avatarnat-1]

yesssss another alyssa video! this is one of the best most unexpected crossovers ever 💖 so happy to see you getting your bag with sponsors that aren’t better help too!!

[@ka8544]

I’m so glad you didn’t do a sponsorship with bh for this one. Idk if that was because of our past comments, but if so thank you. I think you probably have both gotten quality therapy which is what everyone deserves. This is a fantastic interview

[@North_West1]

I hope hyram’s story can help a young man that needs to hear his story.

[@theotter7021]

I didn't know I needed this collab so badly, congratulations on both of you for your growth. Not mormon, but definitely can relate to growing up queer in a religious household. Hyram, I really am happy you were able to find family and happiness again❤. (Also who tf is commenting on Alyssa's looks, girl is literally perfection, like????)

[@kropotkinnie]

You continue to be one of the best religious deconversion channels I've ever found. Thank you for platforming these important topics! So happy this channel grows every time I stop back here hehe

[@marcosoliveira9376]

A prática homossexual é vergonhosa. 😢

[@megaraward8144]

@Hyram as a mom of two teens, my heart just breaks for your experience with your parents. I’m sending you so much positivity and love. You are such a brilliant young g man. I would be proud for my son or daughter to turn out just like you!💜 Alyssa I’m so glad I found your channel. This is very important content. Keep up the great work!

[@LilDinoGuy]

Oh my goodness, I remember hearing “Same Love” back when I was still a bigoted Christian, and I remember thinking that, while I didn’t agree with it, I respected it. That was the first time I’d felt like that, I think. It put just a little crack in my conviction that being gay was a terrible and taboo thing. He makes powerful music along with his goofier stuff. Also: I remember living with my dad (a devout Muslim) and trying to interrogate why it was so bad to question Islam. It’s said that Abraham did a lot of critical thinking and doubted his culture and what he was told before he came to the realization that God is true and there’s only one God, etc. etc. In theory, this means that critical thinking and interrogating what you’re taught is encouraged because it leads you to the truth. But when I asked my dad about why God would do certain things and suggested that maybe he wasn’t real or that he was at least a bad God, my dad asked how I could possibly dare to think I’m better than God. He also definitely saw my reading about other religions as dangerous. The double standard is bonkers.

[@tomdebevoise]

The episcopal church I grew up in was very liberal and in my catechism class, I told the priest, Father Black, that i was a druid. He just smiled and patted me on the head. I was also his acolyte and served communion with him. Back in those days, the service was still in Latin, so i pretended we were casting magic spells. Now i realize, that is what we were doing! I really loved father black.

[@zulutron1275]

That is a sweet story I am happy you grow up in a church like that. I grew up Anglican and my family have always been very liberal and viewed Jesus as loving. Although I have left religion I still am grateful I grew up in a liberal church.

[@tomdebevoise]

@zulutron1275 Many Christian churches, especially in liberal communities, are still trying to build loving communities with a soft bible approach. I don't follow Christian thinking. However, it meets a need.

[@aliegan2109]

I grew up in the Episcopal Church as well, I am no longer a Christian but the vast majority of my experiences in the Church were good ones.

[@MyehMyeh97]

I have recently found the Episcopal church. If someone is in search of a Christian church with ancient rituals but welcoming and accepting people and theology, it really is the place to be. It's where I'm now attending because I don't want my children to ever have to try to pray away who they are or believe there is something wrong with them in that way. I want them to be surrounded by people who accept them for who they are and know God loves them as they are.

[@headfangs]

I also grew up Episcopalian, and though I don't believe in any religion anymore because of lack of evidence, I would always recommend the Episcopal Church to anyone seeking an accepting form of Christianity. It's got the all decor and feeling of Catholicism without the guilt.

[@violetetherea4253]

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for speaking up about this. My girlfriend came out as being trans to her parents 2 years ago. She's disabled and can't work. They don't care, they basically told her she was a demon and not respecting their beliefs, and that she was polluting the air around them (they put a lot of rules like her having to shower multiple times a day and a lot of other horrible things). After two whole years of traumas, they're finally quacking her out. Fortunately, we've been able to find her a place where she could leave. she's moving out in less than a week now, and she'll probably never see her parents again. I'll never understand how people are so brainwashed by all of their beliefs that they'll literally traumatise their own kids for being who they are. I've talked to my girlfriend a lot, and we both know if I hadn't been there for her, she wouldn't have made it. And her own parents don't even care..

[@trueloveeditorial7239]

Checking in - has your girlfriend made the move? How can we support her?

[@violetetherea4253]

@@trueloveeditorial7239 Hi ! this is so sweet, thank you for your support

[@trueloveeditorial7239]

@@violetetherea4253 your girlfriend is blessed to have you. I hope she continues to live safely and eventually find a place where she can live as herself. Best wishes to both of you!! 💜

[@betsybabf748]

I can't even imagine disowning our children. We are Christian, and we never had any issue with what sexuality they were born. From when they were little, when we talked about when they grew up, I would intentionally say "If you get married and have a husband or a wife" to both my daughter and our sons. Just wanted it to always be normal so if they did grow up and were gay, it wouldn't be a stressful thing to "come out" to family, but just something they would feel was normal. Turned out, all 5 of our children are straight, but they knew if they weren't, it was fine with us and with Jesus. Every one of their friends who were gay or bi came out to us first, to get support before telling their own parents. Telling one's parents who you are should never be an uncomfortable or stressful thing.

[@violetetherea4253]

​@@betsybabf748 Hi, thank you for being a safe place for people around you, it's so important. Especially with how things are looking now. And I agree with you, it shouldn't feel scary or stressful to "come out". If anything, people should feel happy when this happens, since it's a very big sign of trust, that it means that the person coming out feels comfortable enough to share who they are. And um, my girlfriend's parents decided to adopt her children. She can't take care of them since she's disabled, but she loves them from the bottom of her heart. They told her they'd fight her and they'd bring her to court so that they'd get the custody. She's had to agree, and she knows she'll never be able to see them ever again. I can't imagine the torture that is. Parents are either a blessing or a curse. Glad there are people out there that stand up against this kind of horror. It's so important to fight, to try and be good people for others who need it, even if we think it's such a minor little thing. Thank you for being here 💕 (thank you for reading this, I just wanted to raise a tiny bit of awareness on this subject)

[@shimire26]

I come from a culture that practices honour-based abuse and I’ve been finding videos from other leavers of fundamentalist groups so reassuring. Even though the nuances of the abuse we suffer is different, the coercive core is all the same. Ironically I feel less alone even though our problems technically look so different :)

[@yanniesays]

What a special crossover! Thank you, Hyram, for sharing your story and Alyssa for giving him the place to do so. You both are extraordinary humans for breaking free and educating others ❤

[@emilyevans6989]

Wishing both of you the BEST of life! 🩷

[@heathernjensen]

So one of your instagram reels found me and I’ve been following for a few months now. I was Mormon but also wasn’t super devout. My immediate family did not attend church or were what you consider “Mormon”. But my step grandmother was VERY involved with the church. She was actually a member of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I adored this woman so I got baptized and went to church every Sunday alone. I remember everyone saying I would feel the Holy Ghost as soon as I was free from that water. I never did. I tried and tried for sooo many years. I thought something was wrong with me. Until at about 13 or 14 I realized, I wasn’t happy, I only did this to make 1 person happy. After my grandma passed away I thought she would visit me to tell me I needed to get back on the righteous path but she never did. I then started doing more research, in my late teens, into Mormonism and things just weren’t adding up. So at 23 I had my records pulled from the church.

[@roqua]

51:50 Matthew 10:37 puts it pretty succinctly: "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me". The verses around it are pretty clear that Jesus is ok with splitting up families and turning members against each other, because the belief system is more important than familial love and harmony. Pretty f***ed up, if you ask me!

[@christinamcginnis6338]

The colab I never knew I needed. You both are amazing. Love Hyrams channel.

[@maxmexmellow312]

I lived this collab & your sponsor’s so perfect for your channel too!!

[@BasedChristianLifter]

Alyssa is just wanted to share for the first time my appreciation for your content thank you so much for what you do it goes a long way for me

[@CDIDDY327]

You two are so brave! I admire your wisdom and strength. Keep doing your good work!

[@art.junk13]

Collab I didn’t know I needed!! my gay friend and I became even more devoted to the religion toward end of high school the more shame we felt with our “same sex attraction” 🙄 (in the Catholic Church instead ) I Knew it was bs since I was in middle school-ish but survival mode doesn’t care about logic let’s be real…. Those who get it, get it Part of me feels lucky I got trying religion over with rather than joining as an adult during a mid life crisis or something. No shame to those who do, but as a kid I feel like you see things more clearly even tho we’re still impressionable. A paradox

[@2489Pepe]

This interview is so therapeutic for me. Thank you!

[@kassandrayoung3405]

I 100% agree with Hyrem commending how Brave you are Alyssa. I haven't been in for more than 10 years now and I still learn things or am reminded of things I did with your videos!

[@_marloesvh]

Beautiful converstation, you really let eachother talk and I can tell you listened to eachtother so well

[@katobees]

This is so poignant. Thank you both for being so open. I didn't grow up mormon, but I also made the mistake of telling a trusted church leader when I was 12 how I felt about girls. The way she shut me down kept me closeted until my 30s. I even went to a Christian college hoping to be "better" after that. Fortunately, learning more about my religion allowed my deconstruction to start. Your stories are so important, your lighthearted manner is engaging, and I so appreciate the honesty. Keep talking, you are doing good work ❤

[@jewelgazer]

After listening to this, I want to hear SO much more about his story and insights!! Please have this guest on again and allow more of the focus to be on him!

[@jenhill5198]

I've watched a ton of Alyssa's content but I just have to comment on this one because it's so close to me. Hyram, I'm sorry your family disowned you and broke contact with you, and Alyssa, thank you for giving him (and us) a safe space to explore this. Deep down, I knew I was a lesbian even in high school (back in the 90s) but I was so terrified about what that meant, I served a mission in 1998, came home, and married the first guy I dated after knowing him a total of FIVE MONTHS. I really held on to some prophet saying that you don't need soul mates, any righteous man and woman can have a good life, so I tried. Until I was 30 I tried, until my health broke down entirely, I was sick at home, and I started watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Seeing Tara and Willow kiss on the screen, my world shattered. I came out to my parents a year later, and left the church shortly after that. (Oh, and got divorced immediately as well). My parents (retired now, temple workers), love me and tolerate my choices, but other family members have a hard time with my chosen 'lifestyle'. To anyone else who is gay, lesbian, trans, or questioning, please know it does get better! I'm almost fifty now, still single (and looking), but I love myself, I love my dreams, I am happier and healthier than I ever was back in my devout Mormon days. In hindsight, I'm also glad that I'm lesbian, it made leaving the church a bit easier. By the way, Alyssa, I also knew NOTHING about the church I was representing as a missionary, I had no idea about JS's plural wives, the rock in a hat translation, despite our family being part of Mormonism for generations (Alberta Canada Mormons). You are doing amazing, incredible work on showing the truth and wanting people to have informed consent over their lives and salvation. Bless you both. (And apologies for rambling.)

[@Kimberly_NV]

@hyram, I never had a testimony either. Still, it took me 47 years before I left 😕 I'm glad you and Alyssa got out "early"! Thank the Goddess that I never wanted to attend the temple 😬 Best wishes both of you and mahalo for a great video 🤙

[@LordOnyx09]

holy cow! I am glad to see Hyram doing well. I know him & his family. I lived in their ward for 10-ish years before I moved out of state.

[@abigailrhodes4231]

Oh sick! I follow his content and I didn't even know all this history about Hyram! Thanks for this

[@glizzymcguire8577]

I was so looking forward to this video since you released it on patreon! Thanks for sharing your stories❤️

[@naiaaiello]

I just wanna give @Hyram a hug. He's such a wonderful person, content creator and I do hope his chosen family loves him the way he deserves. Love this! You're amazing too Alyssa!! x

[@mandykeith129]

I watch both of these with Hyrum. Thank you so much for arranging this. You are both beautiful, intelligent, sweet people! I enjoyed when Hyrem said that he's created his own family. It's wonderful being around those who love you unconditionally!

[@virginiaraine2207]

Love people coming on this channel. Grew up in a Presbyterian church but my father was a pastor and believed in science along with religion , and it was interesting and thankfully not detrimental to me in the long run. But I listen to these podcasts so much because it really opens my eyes to Mormonism and high demand religion in general , so good and I love just leaving them on while I get ready!

[@Britbec]

I’m so excited for this!! I’ve been hoping he’d be invited on to MSP for a few years. This is even cuter!

[@keriezy]

@Hyram, you look amazing in that purple shirt! I look forward to your side of the collab. Alyssa, great as usual!!!

[@RachelAnnDRKRaven]

I’m so happy you shared this story. My family are Southern Baptist. When I came out and married my wife my mom cut me out of her will. Then both my parents disowned me and now further on several of my siblings won’t talk to me. It is extremely sad and isolating. They refuse to meet my wife or even speak to us. 😢

[@faithelizabethz]

LOVE you guys as a duo, I hope you do some future collabs, this was so great ❤

[@Nicole-zr1me]

The part where Hyram explained praying asking god to not make him gay, a core part of who he is, was sooo sad 😥 breaks my heart for people going through this.

[@PureGingerify]

This is the cross over I never knew I needed :) bless both of you, thank you for sharing hyram

[@missphenomenon870]

When i first started watching Hyrum, i remember thinking “oh he looks mormon”

[@ginger_charlotte]

Am I the only one that strictly saves Alyssas long format videos for Sundays? It's my favorite part of the week 😂

[@heathercschafer]

I save them to listen while I’m in the shower or getting ready. Never been nor ever will be Mormon however, it’s fascinating!

[@nicolesi2201]

I grew up Unitarian Universalist, our RE classes required us to attend other churches' religious services. Loved that. I occasionally go to a Quaker church now.

[@heathercschafer]

One of my favorite college courses was “world religions” so I could learn more. I was raised in the south and attended Baptist church on and off but always believed in God. I loved learning about other religions and it helped me become more accepting and understanding of others and myself.

[@AgentDoubleS]

The collab I didn’t know was possible and I’m so excited for!

[@gregorshepherd3561]

Thank you both for clarifying about "going on a mission". It has changed my perspective on how vulnerable these young people are, and how tough it really is.

[@Pontifex_rhum]

Mormonism rly sounds like a capitalist conartist took advantage of a bunch of poor farming folk and they just went with it

[@chendaforest]

thats pretty much it I think

[@andreadraper6533]

I wish I had a son like you, Hyram! I have no children, but if I could choose a child, I'd adore a son like you (who doesn't want a son who's really great at cosmetics?!❤) & a daughter like Alyssa, so articulate, brave & authentic 😍

[@belliejelli1642]

What an unexpected crossover. I used to watch Hyram throughout 2020 and recently started watching ur vids out of interest and partly for study (doing a theology course at uni and ur vids are super informative from a non faith perspective)

[@larissasoto7455]

He is so kind! Thanks for this great interviews and collabs, Alyssa!

[@estrella9944]

What if at 18 through 20 a young man’s parent gets sick and HE CANNOT GO on a mission?? Is he not husband material because he was trying to hold his family together at the age of 18 through 20? That’s just crazy to me.

[@florianopolis6299]

I think it's just not about logic. And it's not about compassion or love. How can it be?

[@lingodelfo5415]

Wasn't there the dude Alyssa was talking about in her other videos, whose mum died and he stayed on the mission, because that's what she and god would have wanted, and also he didn't want to ask the church for money?

[@bambie1830]

I grew up lds, it’s wild how different experiences can be. Went to other churches, had way more nonmember friends, lived pretty orthodox but so thankful I didn’t grow up in the Mormon corridor

[@CerealXperimentsLain]

Something about your content makes it so easy to binge 🤣 never thought I’d know the ins and outs of Mormonism

[@DeniseErhart-y9o]

My heart breaks for you that your parents disowned you. As a mom, I couldn't ever disown one of my children.

[@shariceguerry5344]

Thank you for this interview/podcast. This is by far my favorite and extremely realistic. I grew up in the church but left about 15 years ago when i graduates high school. I am so much happier