SPEED IS LIFE | Su-57 Felon Vs F-16 Viper DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@benwatso]

Ight

[@BenjaminDelong]

roger

[@rohangangan8327]

Please make a video on F18 Block 3 with Astra Missiles and pit it against Pakistani and Chinese fighters as Indian Navy is looking to buy F18s for its aircraft carrier with Indian Missiles.

[@tarnlicht3657]

How many flight hour you have in DCS?

[@Anarchy_420]

F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR

[@TheXcena]

that shot of the felon behind you was absolutely terrifying!! The way it can just park up and point at you like it was nothing - full UFO mode

[@redshirt5126]

Felon teleporting behind the F-16 be like: "Привет, товарищ!"

[@louiethompson4108]

And then comes an F-22 😜

[@Bvr223]

@@louiethompson4108 which is crashing to the ground no I’m joking I respect both aircraft

[@clayblaze1327]

And then and actual ufo appears😂

[@edwardking186]

You should have seen how fast the Felon whipped its nose around in the video where GS was flying the Eurofighter against it; the first kill was a gun kill and it happened after the merge. It was one of the coolest, fastest and craziest gun kills I’ve seen in DCS.

[@SukhoyBoy4113]

That last kill was magnificent. You can see his rudders in full deflection and it's absolutely beautiful

[@makepunk5791]

I think that final fight was the best dogfight I've ever seen. Unreal seeing that plane maneuver.

[@alexanderbohm607]

Mad props to that felon pilot for that post cobra dive out. He was done if not for that

[@Trailermaker615]

The guy that piloted the felon was called Toxic

[@alexanderbohm607]

@@Trailermaker615 cool

[@tejasviroyal8977]

11:55 was when the SU-57 went full UFO Mode while avoiding the same mistake again and then didn't look back, literally. Superb Video. 🙌

[@starvalkyrie]

That top profile gun kill reminded me of a phrase a friend of mine used when backstabbing people in pvp mmos. "Don't think of it as a stabbing. Think of it as clumsy unnecessary surgery" Perhaps "Don't think of it as a gun kill. Think of it as clumsy unscheduled maintenance"

[@benrichey2593]

I believe the term from the aerospace field is ‘rapid unscheduled disassembly’.

[@starvalkyrie]

@@benrichey2593 Oh I like that one.

[@tsepheletseka5115]

I must say, the Su-57 and the F-22 are both incredible fighters in the way they just seem to defy physics.

[@ogzephyr4166]

I could not imagine being a pilot in a dogfight. Just seeing the Gs go up and down like that, having to maintain airspeed, breathing techniques, and keeping a visual at all times!

[@EvelynAutumnMusic]

🤮

[@braedynhoward3644]

Yup. My dad is a fighter pilot. he trains the Air Force in dogfighting. He just surprise attacks them from below, kinda like in top gun maverick, and then climbs into the sun before they see him XD. He uses that tactic especially in an A4 Skyhawk since it's so old. But he's a very good dogfighter as well. He's fought f 22s and f 15s in the old Skyhawk. It's fascinating to hear about all this from an actual fighter pilot's perspective.

[@mattt525]

@@braedynhoward3644 you sir are the luckiest SOB Ive seen here! Sounds like you and your Dad need a DCS channel and a couple of gaming rigs. What does your pops have to say about the Russian jets I'm sure hes had the opportunity to see the older ones in use. Obviously not the Felon. And again you sir are lucky to get to hear those stories!

[@Warrior_AP]

They train a life for some reason

[@Somew1n]

@@EvelynAutumnMusic ?

[@cal7145]

Hats off to Toxic. He definitely did some of that pilot shit there, my word.

[@hcolt360]

1:33 The best part of this video was when Toxic said "IT'S VECTORIN' TIME" and vectored all over Growling Sidewinder

[@t3hjnz]

"I was just sitting there admiring his, uh, nose authority" made me laugh pretty hard. This was a great video, fantastic flying by both of you!

[@saadsajidul9001]

In the last fight the Felon is literally playing chess, man stood there like it's a checkmate.

[@bachhunghoang]

The Su 75 codename is checkmate tho lmao

[@saadsajidul9001]

@@bachhunghoang oh yes I remember lmao

[@Ripa-Moramee]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@icaleinns6233]

Loved the part about admiring the nose authority...as he's about to remove the rest of the aircraft. 😂

[@Tassadar187]

Third engagement was truly miraculous, more Felon please!

[@benwatso]

I love the viper. Its a 4th gen fighter from the 70s and can still take on advanced super-maneuverable fighter such as the F-22 or Su-57. Just wish it didnt cost me $80…

[@tinchorb1340]

The SU-57 at best is a 4th gen/4.5 gen fighter

[@doniii4038]

@@tinchorb1340 it’s 5th gen 🤦‍♂️

[@vp-sv7ff]

@@tinchorb1340 💀bro said that with a straight face

[@IAmNotBob.]

@@doniii4038 its 4.5th gen cause almost no stealth

[@retardmoguss]

@@IAmNotBob. it has more stealth than any 4th/4.5th gen aircraft in service, especially with both jets armed and fueled up. So it is 5th gen, even if less stealthy than a raptor.

[@HerbieNO]

"So, I was just sitting here, admiring your nose authority" -Greatest pick-up line ever

[@PETURK]

...or greatest "last words" :-D

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

I love the screaming sound of the felon coming in after the first kill that thing sounds so wild

[@adamlannerd1408]

Glad to see Toxic back again. A worthy adversary indeed.

[@Gunni1972]

Well, to be fair, he overcooked that first Cobra, massively. And that got him.

[@oblied]

@@Gunni1972 second one*

[@dioad1739]

I’m glad to see your channel grow but I think it sure took everyone a while to find us but I’m glad they’re here to see your knowledge on DCS and to help a lot of people out, thanks for all the great flying with different aircraft and sharing all their different characteristics GS.

[@alexion2001]

I'd like a 1970s Fox-2 dogfight if possible, GS! Amazing video as usual!

[@yehia4638]

Thats a very interesting idea

[@idekanymore3954]

I got into Dcs 2 months ago and ur vids have helped me so much 🙏

[@hackxy1165]

I’d love to see some same plane fights. Maybe like an f 22 vs f22 and find a pilot around your skill level would be very cool

[@danny_boi3537]

I would be shocked if the f-22 won

[@MegaEvoluzione]

There ain't none.

[@coreyp9211]

I would love to see a high off boresight fox-2 fight between a Viper and a Hornet.

[@krap101]

Doesn't Viper just win?

[@coreyp9211]

@@krap101 Not necessarily. The Viper is king of the 2 circle which is good for guns only, but the Hornet is a 1 circle beast. With fox-2s like the AIM-9X you need to be able to make tight turns to jam the opponent’s WEZ, so the Hornet’s ability to point its nose at the Viper might give it the upper hand.

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

hornet is crazy in fox2 fight, it just points its nose with the high bore 9x

[@Stinger522]

Two lessons from this video. 1. Never ever ever let a Felon get on your six. It will kill you. 2. Never ever ever let a Felon get close to your six. The closer the Felon is, the easier it is for him to kill you. Great fight, Growling.

[@fruitygranulizer540]

@reAction yes, but its usually not this difficult to get into a rolling scissors or nose counter and try to get the other plane to overshoot, especially if they were doing rate-fight speeds. most planes cannot sit behind a plane doing < 120 knots and still be able to point their nose like that

[@ignacio3890]

3. Don't let a felón be near of you

[@faqirmohammadabdullah2906]

Damn the F-16 is just awesome in gunfights. Forever fan of this magnificent machine.

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

It's like fighting a gun turret... no matter how quick you run around it, the guns are always pointing at you...

[@giantnanomachine]

13:08 welp, I hope that part wasn't one of the important ones :D

[@robhildebrand9914]

F16 + growling sidewinder = guaranteed dearth sentence Love the videos

[@andrewrogers3067]

Not against some planes

[@reaganr652]

@@7Amps literally no one asked dude

[@AshBhang2010]

Your knowledge of not only your Aircraft but also your oppositions is Amazing. . Paired with your Flying ability . . Boom ! ! Really enjoying everyone of your shows. . Thankyou . . from Australia ! !

[@ryz_vik]

“You’ve gotta move faster than that, son, speed is life.”

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The Rafale against The Typhoon! Grinnelli F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR F-16I Sufa VS F-15STOL/MTD Fox2 Dogfight F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot F4U Corsair VS A-1 Skyraider Mosquito VS Pucara F-111 Aardvark VS MIG-27K J-10 VS SU-27 J-7 VS MIG-21 Please fly Planes on the left!🙏

[@panzerivscope1173]

The best dogfight vid so far! Amazing skills on both of you!

[@DestinationXperience]

Fantastic scenario like right out of a Tom Clancy novel! Would love to see a version with J-20's attacking the base, or over the Taiwan straits vs F35's and F-18's.

[@Tremeslay]

Bro that plane is something else. I don't have as good knowledge about aircraft as you but that thing is like a free floating paper. It is crazy.

[@jero4059]

I loved how the Felon played around with its pray like a cat or ninja. F-16 is definitely the past perfect generation plane

[@davidcannon3070]

Not sure about the felon, but the f22 has a sustained turn rate of 28 degrees per second, in comparison the f16 has 23. Not sure how accurate the 22 is in the rate fight(in DCS), but I would expect something similar for the felon.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

28 degrees/second? god damn, that is insane.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I would imagine those numbers are actually pretty classified mate. Both in the f22 and the su57. I’ve heard real pilots say the f22 and the f16 are similar ish but wouldn’t say which was superior. My point being…the exact rate speeds are deff unknown. You can’t even find a real EM diagram on the internet for the f18 Hornet so I doubt any real numbers for the f22 or su57 exist. But you’re right in assuming they probably rate very well.

[@fruitygranulizer540]

no doubt that the su57 and f22 are probably capable dogfighters, but those numbers are entirely guesses. the real capabilities are classified. we do know that the f16 was built to be a rate fighter, whereas the 5th gen boys are not. i'd say that theyre similar enough that it probably comes down to the pilot and other factors in the dogfight rather than the rating capabilities.

[@georgew.5639]

I’d definitely want to be in an F 22 when facing off against a felon in a guns only dogfight.

[@okyadriansyah]

Great show, absolutely one of the best video, thanks for GS and Toxic to show great skill, salute for both of you

[@firexwow]

13:13 he was like "will you eject so the video doesn't end with a black screen or can I kill your pilot?" lol

[@allenbt11]

Clever tactic there at the end trying to hit him in the face with your canopy.

[@Zog26]

"I was just sitting there, admiring his nose authority." Not a sentence you hear most days :-)

[@jeffreykimes4805]

Lifelong fan of the F16, Fighting Falcon from the days of yore. Been a fan of the Felon since it's inception. One of the coolest names and looking planes there is. I was rooting for both. Awesome video.

[@smilingxassassin]

That's a floating alien aircraft !!! Mad Skill on wacking the FELON in a rate fight !!!!

[@derliebej7675]

Hey GS, an idea for a new combat format: instead of doing bandit unknown, do a loadout unknown. You and the bandit each have a total of 4 fox3s and 6 fox2s for 5 rounds. Neither of you knows, what the other guy brings to battle. Should be a lot of fun.

[@Iamnothappy510]

This is about to be a reality

[@pavlukevichmm]

We've just tested su-57m with some modernized weapons subsustem, couple days ago

[@Justapilot_9700]

So the Felon must feel like an F18 on steroids! very cool beast

[@midnightrider1100]

Or an F22 on downers.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

That's some amazing flying by you both . That last fight was terrifying 👍😁

[@slurpeexyza17]

That cobra into nose-dive is amazing

[@_Peperek]

I love how the Felon says "Felon time" and starts falling all over the place

[@Paul_Sergeyev]

Attempt 18! Excellent, very dynamic and interesting video! Could you please show us ground strafes with different weapon setups from ground perspective? We all know how A10 Brrrt sounds from the ground and looks on target, some even know that for Viper's 20mm, but I really wonder how a 37 mm, 6 x 50 cal., 23 mm MiG-21 and 30 mm MiG-29 long strafes would look and sound on target! Also, could you please bring out *the flying lol machine I-16 against the F-22?*

[@danny_boi3537]

The "chaff" and "flares" callouts sound like a minecraft villager

[@RaGeRC]

I was rooting so hard for that F16! I was like come on GS do some of that pilot shit!!

[@danpatterson8009]

While you were admiring his nose authority presumably you also saw that chunk of your wing floating away.

[@TurboHappyCar]

But the Viper was still flying, lol

[@tkelker]

You need to split the throttle on that F16

[@idiedoof4339]

High iq joke here

[@stuartholden2772]

Considering this Dogfight took forever, you know the Su-57 and a F16 are a good match up.

[@fruitygranulizer540]

13:08 that much nose authority at nearly 100 knots is just scary. there's no other word for it, its terrifying.

[@airlightshockZOV]

I was at the military parade last year and they flew 10 of them over in formation and I think they have like 14 fighters +2 experimentally I think

[@tsorevitch2409]

There were 8 flying prototypes but some of the rumored to be updated to production level. One of first production batch cradhed in test flight

11:46 Hoorah !

[@connie.shearer5210]

You certainly prove the importance of being able to judge energy management, your and your bandit's.

[@oscarzheng9902]

you definatly want to be fast in the f16 against the su57, in the last round gs was too slow to use the cobra to his advantage

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

correct

[@rasoulbhador6946]

The person flying the SU-57 does not have enough skill to deal with the great potential of the su-57

[@avramnovorra]

A hell of a fight once more! Im always pumped for a new GS video

[@sergeantliangplays]

"Gotta move faster then that son, *speed is life!* " Ironic how the person who said it is called Viper.

[@kidusabebe6634]

Could you do more su 30 videos please…love your videos

[@ed4415]

By turning before passing you are telegraphing your gameplan to an aircraft that can turn inside you 1 circle allowing him to set the tone of the fight.

[@Fra-gee-lay]

I’ve come to understand 1 vs 2 circle as 1 circle is a big cat chase while 2 circle is more human vs prey. Big bombastic moves that may or may not pay off vs slowly walking out of the brush for the third time as the prey is huffing for breath.

[@alexpaul1665]

Very good fight, I think at third round you made critical mistake, otherwise you could win, after the overshot, you may get away by going to rate fight again instead of once circling slow su-57, please do f-22 vs su-57 guns only fight, that would be interesting!!

[@fruitygranulizer540]

i think trying to one-circle the slow su-57 was just impatience, or maybe he misjudged. also a 5th gen guns only fight would be interesting since both planes are not built for gunfighting, and it would be cool to see which one can do it better

[@razorsoft]

Spectacular trip) Yes, there are ten SU-57s now. A few days ago, the upgraded version completed test flights. Another engine, updated weapons, intelligent pilot assistance systems, etc. By 2028, 76 such aircraft are planned to be delivered to the army. If nothing changes.

[@tsorevitch2409]

As far as I'm aware engines are still old, and most updates are in electronics

[@crsv7armhl]

Would love to see a P-51 vs Corsair fight

[@AeroLowdown]

The wing loading of that felon must be soo low, it looks like it was floating in the last fight

[@blacktail522]

Guns only fights are a great way to determine which airframe is best. No extra weapons doing the job for them. Could watch a whole series of these fights...

[@TimelyAbyss]

I guess the cobra isn’t as useless as all that…

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

well, I think if I had kept my speed it would have been, only saved his life due to bandit pilot error.

[@TimelyAbyss]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I did find it curious that you tried to get an overshoot afterwards. Is that the mistake you are referring to?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@TimelyAbyss no at that point the overshoot is the last chance I had, even tho it wasn't a good option. I was referring to me being slow so when he hit the cobra and I missed the easy gunshot I didn't have the speed to climb and take real advantage of how slow he was in that moment and come around and kill him.

[@shannonspear8751]

Watching the slow Felon on the deck then a Jet flashes across the screen outta nowhere ???? I was Gazing intensely at its Shadow 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@souvikdey6648]

Russia really made an God daam jet Last kill was magnificent..

[@MARSRigel1]

F-22 vs Eurofighter: The Raptor has a field day totally wrecking the EF in each round. Felon vs F-16: F-16 being actually decent and can even win a round. A fighter from the what, 70s? Still gets it better done than the "4.5 gen" EF (at least in DCS).

[@bachhunghoang]

Have u seen GS's F16 vs F22 video? GS won 2 out 4, i don't think EF even close to F16

[@MARSRigel1]

@@bachhunghoang This makes it even worse for the EF. Thx for telling me.

[@heatblast876]

Hey you didn't see that F16 is able to shot down an F22 in dogfight. There is an video of Growling sidewinder see on it

[@fruitygranulizer540]

its important to note that the 5th gen planes are not built at ALL for gunfights. if i recall correctly, they were about to not even fit guns onto the f22 at first. these planes are built entirely for the one circle fox-2 fight and for stealth in bvr. the f-16 on the other hand was built literally for only one purpose, and that was the 2-circle / rate fight / gun fight. that being said, the f-16 is still amazingly capable for how old of a design it is, and its rating capabilities are just as impressive as the 5th-gen fighter's aoa capabilities imo.

[@snowpdx]

"I'm just sitting here admiring your nose authority" - how to pick up Felons

[@jameskester7745]

I guess we know that it's suicide trying to get a 5th gen to overshoot when in a 4th gen

[@Asofe17]

Wow as everyone stated that last fight was insane... it felt like i am watching some kind of movie. great job guys.

[@snapperface12345]

While another great video GS, let's be real here, no one knows what the Su57 can actually do in a dog fight, other then speculation and people seeing a Belle cobra maneuver at an air show. The 3 that are "identified" and two that have been reported to be operational have no real world encounter with any other aircraft to Guage it's abilities.

[@nj1255]

The F-14 has been my favorite fighter jet forever, but I think the F-16 has taken over that spot lately. The more I learn about it, the more I like it. It's just a genius design!

[@lith0s094]

In the third fight felon was like,” u almost got me there” and then stops in the air like a helicopter. That shit is insane. I wonder why those pilots in top gun movie didn’t do it when maverick pulled a cobra in front of him?

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

This video made me go back to watch your SU-57 vs F-22 video!

[@krystianziolkowski3609]

'Extremely defensive' is definitely one way of putting it XD

[@grndiesel]

That was quite the flip-flop there. But it worked.

[@setahr]

That was EPIC! It had me on the edge... Thanks so much for the vid!

[@dieselhrt5492]

For guns -only I'd think a big plane like the SU-57 would be less than ideal.

[@doodlegoose2262]

It’s possible that pilots you have fly against you have leaned your tactics

[@3v4761]

Do an Iron Eagle...F16 vs Mig 23 (f21 kfir)....still one my all time favorites

[@hero_knightusp7416]

What? Two-circle fights are the most enjoyable for me. It's easy to just pull hard from side to side in one circle.

[@zakiakbarrasdi9351]

I do not come for who's got better plane, but understanding GS strategy and tactics is worth everything

[@redtailpilot]

Lose sight, lose the fight. Which happens to me all too often. 😂 Which brings me to my question. What do you find better when in a dogfight, VR or TrackIR? I'm currently using VR only (Aero). I'm also playing single player only, with my limited time. Hopefully I'll venture into MP soon. Love your content!

[@wazza33racer]

Nothing will ever top the P-51 Mustang gun killing the F22.

[@kalelalves]

I love seeing the viper in action.

[@myplane150]

Here's how I see it; one circle fights are like football with all of the maneuvering and sky gymnastics whereas 2 circle is more like baseball and includes managing and strategy so is much slower paced. My fave sport is baseball so I love 2 circle fights but most people prefer football and more action therefore it makes sense that one circle is favored by them...☺.

[@Nurhaal]

Man that near stall control authority is what tells you that speed is life. You cannot let your speed get too low vs those types of fighters, it's a death sentence it seems lol It's almost eerie how the 57 can float like a UFO and still point where it wants to shoot. Vector Thrust has is place. I personally find it overrated but in the right envelope, it's absolutely overpowered lol Good fights!

[@HermitagePrepper]

F16 with even a modest thrust vector ability would be able to turn its nose up its own tail pipe!

[@mz7688]

GS: "I was just sitting there admiring his nose authority" 👃

[@klssn34]

He stopped by to ask about your vodkas extended warranty