Does Stealth Matter ? | F-15E Strike Eagle Vs Su-57 Felon | CLASH | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@MarioSeoane]

What about a Super Hornet with IRST against the Felon? Boeing claims it is front squad low observable and it can detect stealth fighters passively. Maybe it will have a better luck?

[@m.hosseinyaghoubi2605]

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[@larsgottlieb]

You could pop a few meteors on that Eagle and even the scales a little, because at this point, you have outdated avionics, shorter range slower missiles And stealth against you. And it kinda shows (o:

[@mahamajones2994]

I have a lot of ideas for a SU-57 video

[@MississippiKid96]

Ok… it’s time to run it back with the Mig 31 killer ! (Aim 120 )

[@gosborg]

Great video, as ever, but it seems to me that battle wasn’t about stealth, so much as your opponent’s hypersonic missiles totally out-matching your AIM-120s.

[@Danlovestrivium]

If the F-15 would have been stealth, the Felon would have been within the AIM-120's range with a much higher probability of kill for the F-15. So while this exercise demonstrates the effectiveness of the hypersonic missile's range, if the F-15 had been able to avoid detection until the Felon was much closer, it would have nullified the standoff capabilities of the hypersonic missile. The F-15 sitting out there the size of a blimp allowed the Felon to take full advantage of it's long range missiles. This was very much about stealth.

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

​@@Danlovestrivium stealth only works when your radar is turned off, if you fill whole area with probing signal - it's exceptionally hard to not notice you.

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykovStealth isn't about being "invisible" it's about reducing engagement range. Even if you know the heading of a RWR ping, if the stealth fighter can get a weapons-grade lock at 80 miles but you can only get one at 20 that is a MASSIVE disadvantage.

[@IRLFlightSim]

I mixture of being out ranged not being able to lock up a target makes it very difficult to fight the 57 this vid will be interesting to see if the f15 radar will lock up the 57 being how powerful it is

[@tunisiandom9318]

@@nobleman-swerve weapon's grade lock ? if they know your general area from RWR then they can scan in limited area (100 quare degrees) which increases significantly the detection range. Su-35S has 5X20 degrees mode and it was used to lock on an F-22 from over 170km after being guided by AEW&C over Syria. the actual limiting factor is the Missile seaker not being strong enough to detect the enemy plane at a long enough distance to manoeuver, but even that has ways to deal with.

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

It appears stealth is a non factor when using an R37M radar guided sniper rifle

[@Mgaming61]

R-37M you mean...

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@Mgaming61 It makes no difference, only subvariants will need a hyphen

[@catcherjk5597]

the r-37m faces a lot of the same issues that the phoenix did. yes the range is far yes both are mach 5+ but they have to go so high that a large part of there flight they cant turn because the fins dont have are to push against. i also find it weird the su57 uses them as they stake in twice the space of a R77 adder and can only carry 3-4 instead of 6 aders

[@devnandannair2336]

well it's arguable that with a stealthy enough plane, you would be able to get in range before they detect you to negate the advantage.

[@Tuuvas]

4:12 fun fact, assuming it wasn't the externals being empty, that was likely the feed tanks. Down low, the F-15E's powerful afterburner can drain the feed tanks faster than they can be replenished from the main tanks... resulting in a flameout if not careful.

[@maverickmissile801]

Oh! I never thought of that thanks for the info my dude.

[@Ken_Koonz]

Almost sounds like a problem with the inverted flight tanks.

[@Tuuvas]

@@Ken_Koonz F-15E is restricted to less than 7 to 10 seconds of inverted flight, depending on engine use at the time. This also will result in a flameout.

[@Ken_Koonz]

@@Tuuvas It's like we didn't learn anything from LT Mitchell and LTJG Bradshaw's encounter with the MiG-28. No one had been that close before.

[@bazemk5111979]

@@Tuuvas Does the new EX version have the same symptom's that the E version has? I think I read somewhere on the net the new EX batch the airforce ordered had some kinks and bugs they needed to iron out from the EX version too. I mean its kind of expected this sorts of things to happen, not like we are living in a perfect world anyways...

[@SsgtHolland]

Those hypersonics are scary. That angle it pulled on that last shot...pfff

[@user-uw2ro5xr7d]

10:35 scared the hell out of me, great video though. The Strike Eagle is probably the most fun aircraft I've ever flown besides the F-16.

[@mortenBP]

Yea, I jumped in my seat while holding my youngest in his hand as he is trying to sleep. "What is it, daddy?" "Daddy just got a missile in the face, no worries".

[@nahumbolt86]

Yep, scared the living daylights out of me. Was not expecting that!

[@kalelalves]

Same happened to me 😂😂

[@shunzheimi]

Same, literally made me jump out of chair and nearly broke my HOTAS.

[@RedDotChiliPepper96]

Strapping Meteors (or modern American long-range missiles) to the Strike Eagle should be really beneficial.

[@PhycoKrusk]

Currently, I see nothing to indicate that the Strike Eagle is slated to be upgraded for the AIM-260. Doesn't mean it won't be; just that I can't find official plans for it.

[@k13-segler67]

⁠which, from my limited perspective, doesn't make sense. The F15 is meant to be a missile truck, why not give it the best missile available?

[@WincyjWincyj]

​@@k13-segler67F-15 Ex For SURE will have Aim-260 and AIM-120 D3, both 200km range

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@WincyjWincyj AIM-120D does not have 200km range; if it did, there would be no need for the AIM-260. Like I said, no official plans of AIM-260 for F-15EX; probably will get it because not enough F-22s.

[@berryfox710]

Meteors I believe are european

[@herrzimm]

Remember class, "Stealth" does NOT mean "invisible to radar". It simply means that it is less likely to detect UNLESS you have good radar systems, often ones that are powerful or have multiple bands of detection.

[@jaggar28]

And also decent signal processing capability.

[@lamhkak47]

Don't forget being unable to have the missile lock on in some cases too

[@allaltitudeproductions]

This just shows why you shouldn't underestimate the Su-57. It may not be as stealthy as the F-22, but the hypersonic missiles it carries can wipe out your target before it has a chance to take a good shot at you

[@nvb9218]

I think the reason you can see the Su-57 at that range is because he's got these giant external missiles that send the RCS up.

[@pkpnyt4711]

It also doesn't have S-Duct intakes. Any warbird that doesn't hide their big a** engine blades up front light up any modern radar.

[@Gargoloso]

@@pkpnyt4711 That was on the first prototypes. It now has intake reflectors, also they now have have non-protuding rivets. They are upgrading the stealth features in each iteration.

[@pkpnyt4711]

@Gargoloso internal reflectors are not the same as s-duct shaped inlets. RCS is based on reflectivity, so those reflectors basically reduce it but not completely. The issue is also not the rivets, it's the gaps in the panels of the whole plane. SU57s are made by hand, meaning the gap quality and panel quality aren't close to being consistent. Real stealth requires almost literally having no gap between all panels of the whole plane. Read up on stealth and RCS so you have an understanding of these things.

[@lightningstrike5024]

tf you mean made by hand, theyre made the same way as any other aircraft

[@pkpnyt4711]

@lightningstrike5024 No, they're not made the same way as the F22 or F35. The SU57 is also known to be done by hand (assembly) and fitting of all panels. They even brag that it's artisinal building. The F22/35 use special tools (the tool even has a special patient and is top secret), so the tolerances (panel gaps, etc.) are super tight, which can't be done by hand. Read up on it.

[@glenncooper3524]

"I can't get this missle to come off." Ya cause the F15 is like dude, we need to be defending!!!!

[@JETZcorp]

I think stealth is one of those things where it has to be at a certain level in order to mean much of anything. That's why they stopped trying to produce a reduced-RCS version of the F-15. At the end of the day, if the enemy has 50nm range missiles, it doesn't really matter that much if they can see you from 60nm or across the continent. They're going to know you're coming. That said, I can see a "medium stealth" capability being somewhat useful against aircraft with already-marginal radar, like the F-16. If you could take 10nm off the Viper's BVR detection range, that actually means something, so long as his buddy in the Eagle hasn't already splashed you.

[@PureMatteo]

That's the special idea being the SPECTRA on the rafale, not even trying to be fully stealthy but artificially send opposite waves to what it detects to make itself hard to lock long enough, so it is not afraid of going out with bombs and missiles and tanks at the same time, while doing eletronic warfare to jam/spook the ennemy's radar enough to be hard to lock at least at medium and long distance. It's proven totally effective against S200 in real situation (overflew them in syria in the first days and delivered all ordinance on high value targets without being shot despite flying in their range) which is a reason why it finally started selling, it's unclear if it's enough to fly over S300 or even S400 with (relative) safety but it's the idea, because the Rafale comes now with long range missiles (meteor) a good radar (AESA) and also can carry cruise missiles (i believe its main one has 550km, the SCALP/storm shadow). It doesn't expect to be stealthy like an F22, but stealthy enough even fully loaded to be close enough to deliver its ordinance and be in relative if not complete safety (depending on the opponent). Super effective in recent battlefield for a low operational cost which is why it's selling at the moment. It's basically guaranteed to beat eastern planes, the main unknown at least to us general public is how it deals if flying over S300 or S400 (it can shoot any S300/S400 even jamming ones because there are triangulation systems to confirm GPS location of a launcher/detect it and drop a guided bomb to it but the fact it can or can't overly a S300 is unknown officially). We'll see when the F35 really delivers its promises, and the scarf program FCAS/SCAF plane planned to be the successor.

[@bruceyboi96]

I’ve had the same thought about the Russian take on air combat where they don’t need stealth because of their stand-off capability, planes like the Foxbat that used brute force to bring a very big missile up to a high speed and altitude as a force multiplier for the missiles PK.

[@SHEEPS_123]

the russians can shoot as far away as they want.... but one things clear. You cant shoot what you cant see. their are two types of jets, the ones with stealth and their targets.

[@bruceyboi96]

@@Max_Da_G I’m aware that it was designed purely as an interceptor for defending Russias national airspace but whether it was deliberate or not, building a plane that can go very fast and get very high very quickly makes them a very difficult opponent in a BVR fight.

[@PureMatteo]

the Su31 is literally the reason why the ukrainian F16s are destined to only fly low and bomb. They would instantly shoot them from afar if they didn't. It doesn't need to be modern: be protected by S300, have awacs help it shoot with long range missiles, them and the S300 make a potential ukranian F16 unable to fly at normal altitudes it would just get shot at until a kill (and we all know they will have only a dozen or two of them). That's the reason why the estimated time to train ukrainian pilots has been shortened by cutting advanced air to air training and complex systems training because it's estimated there is literally no chance they can use the F16 any other way than low and with guerilla tactic because of what you just said. The 2 guys who did test flights in the sim with the us specialists were guinea pig to establish what they need to learn, and what is useless to train, and more than half the items are being ommitted on purpose to accelerate the training and also because it would just be useless.

[@stevenhartman2605]

I wonder if a Russian-style RWR display would be helpful in fights like this, since you'd have a better idea of how close the incoming missile was.

[@KingMen1Force]

In a 1v1 environment yeah, you could do some risky stuff otherwise you wouldn't do since you can kinda guess the missile's energy state from the signal strength.

[@spinningsquare1325]

Dont the american RWRs literally move the missile icon to the center as it gets closer?

[@KingMen1Force]

@@spinningsquare1325 The ones we have in DCS no. It might show a relative close position but nowhere near the precision of Russian SPO-15. Strictly speaking in DCS, real life can differ.

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@spinningsquare1325 Yes, though it's a lot less accurate. The circles that extend outwards on the RWR screen only show the radar strength, not range, while the SPO-15 shows exact range. The SPO-15 also shows elevation, whether it be above or below you, while the ALR-56M doesn't.

[@blkspade23]

@@KingMen1Force No, what's in DCS for US jets is generally good enough to extrapolate active AAM range if you actually train in it. The representation is static per threat type, and it's far more useful to know exactly what the threat is to plan accordingly. You can know the limits of what's looking or shooting at you.

[@kammiccikammicci1764]

The felon might be using the first missile to scan and get an accurate lock for the follow up missle at that range, compensating for the radar while maximising the hypersonic missle’s closing rate… I know weird theory 😅

[@maverickmissile801]

That may not be what he is doing, but that is a fantastic idea to do if you're in the felon's shoes

[@Eluderatnight]

​@@maverickmissile801russian aerospace engineers: "Quick, write that down!"

[@Eluderatnight]

That sounds similar to f35 "hive radar"

[@ymroo8299]

​​@@Eluderatnight dont think they need to, they already did it with soviet Era Anti ship missiles how hard could it be to guide another missile with a missile in an air to air scenario.

[@pyronuke4768]

7:10 the USAF is currently testing a missile called AIM-260 JATM which is supposed to begin phasing out the AMRAAM starting around 2026 I think. It's range is obviously classified, though reports speculate it to be ~150 to 200 miles at least. So far the program appears to be on schedule. It's pretty interesting stuff if you're interested.

[@tunisiandom9318]

kilometers not miles, there is no technology rn that allows a missile small enough for internal bays to go 200 miles. all missiles will use RAMJET at the same size they will top at around 150 practical and 200km absolute max vs non manoeuvering targets.

[@garynew9637]

By then Russia will have something better.

[@ThunderSims]

Everything in Russia is actually powered by vodka. I'm not sure if you guys knew that

[@colinmarshall6634]

@@garynew9637 Russia isn't even a threat. The real threat is them selling them to China.

[@blueray676]

@@garynew9637 judging by russia current state i highly doubt it

[@zeenom2794]

That FREAKING last missile almost gave me a heart attack...

[@WolfmanSimulations]

Would love another ww2 vs modern again!

[@bezkomentarza2947]

+

[@robinh82d]

I would love to see that again

[@CJ53790]

Same here

[@mattm4812]

P38 vs harrier

[@cj41079]

✋️ 🤚

[@Mgaming61]

Well, you did say in one of your Su-57 video where you were carrying the R-37M externally that it would increase the RCS of your aircraft. So, that also might be one of the reasons why you were able to lock the Su-57 at about 80 miles. Not saying the F-15 radar isn't capable, but that was certainly the case in here

[@Elva_24]

GS: I hope it doesn't function like a meteor. Missile: Well well guess it's your lucky day.

[@johnl6973]

"I'm sure plenty of you are messing with your Strike Eagles" *Slowly pulls up pants and watches the dogfight like a normal person*

[@JorgeSanchez-oh4uy]

GS , this is just too much! The tension is intense! Those hypersonic missiles are not to be taken lightly for sure! Appreciate your videos, Man, keep it up!

[@Stinger522]

I set my ice cream aside whenever you got a missile alert. Those Axheads melted you like the wings of Icarus. I think you could only see him at long range because of the R-37s on his wings. Had he been flying in stealth mode, you would've been more screwed than you were in this match because you wouldn't be able to see him until you got closer and by then it would've been too late. And forget about dogfighting in the Strike Eagle, those CFTs take a big bite out of its turning abilities.

[@maverickmissile801]

Loved the engagements and the power of the f15 radar! Video idea: Dogfights thru the eras, where you take 1-5gen aircrsft from the USSR/russia and you pitbrhem against their gen counterparts for the US

[@erics8192]

WW1 and WW2 as well

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

P-51 vs Yak-3 or 9U, Yak-15 vs F-80 or F-2H, MiG-15 vs F-86, MiG-19 vs F-100, 17/21 against F-4, 23 against F-4 or an F-14, 31 against an F-15, MiG-29 against F-16, Su-27/35 vs F-18 or 15. Sounds cool as hell

[@gwcrispi]

This was less of a test of stealth and more of a test of missile standoff capability.

[@bridgecross]

I think the only strategy that would have worked is keeping your tailpipe pointed at the Su-57 and your nose pointed at some region with SAM cover.

[@traviswalker8933]

5:22 damn, that missle disitegrated the F-15E into pixie dust.

[@jeremyortiz2927]

4:16 Drop the bags as the world's largest chaff 😂 I actually wonder if that would help.

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

It might, given it should pass the belka's speed gate

[@chimera2802]

I would love to see some videos of you using the su57

[@FestiMehmeti]

The way that hypersonic came out of the clouds was pretty dope.

[@connorpack4905]

Part of me wonders what would happen if they gave some kind of low-observability, missile truck E-3 a whole bunch of meteors or some future BVRAAM. I just like the idea of an aircraft with low observability, very powerful radar, and the ability to fire like 10, >100 mile missiles. could kill a bandit without the risk of the bandit firing back

[@efrayimrothschild2048]

Man I love your videos GS they’re addicting, keep it up🎉

[@Terpenesteve]

In reality...the only thing really stopping you from shooting a missile at him,and putting him on the defensive, in the beginning when you were 80 mi BVR, was the Ability to shoot the Am-rams that far....had it been equipped with something longer range, this would have been an entirely different fight i believe...Amazing that the F-15 being at it's age, found a new age Stealth Fighter like that, that far out...Just goes to show the power of the Strike Eagles radar capabilities ! Awesome fights as always GS! 💟 ✈

[@baileyparadis1815]

I'd love to see a video showing off just how potent the F-15E can be in a2a and how best to manage a fight. Minimal stores high speed bvr as well as close range stuff

[@tejasviroyal8977]

Probably the scariest video yet! Those Hypersonics man, damn.

[@shanebarenblatt1925]

With the strike eagles powerful radar but limited by the aim 120s I’m curious how this fight would go with the eagle having aim 152 Raytheon that you tested in previous videos

[@Matterian]

Congratulations GS! your the first pilot to lose an F-15 in a Air to Air engagement......AGAIN!!! LOL

[@figafinik581]

Your videos motivates me to play DCS

[@Cane1992]

The US does have the AIM-260 coming in 2023 to replace the AMRAAM which is said to have a range of 120 miles.

[@SpacedBtw]

Your in-between rounds/ending song/beat gets me so fucking hyped LMAO

[@petersmythe6462]

I wonder if they had weapons on external hardpoints? That will kill stealth characteristics.

[@timp2751]

Yes, you can see the su57 is running two external r37s, presumably dcs accounts for that.

[@cap808]

Man, that SU-57 is gorgeous!

[@danatubos2648]

over the last 2 weeks i have seen some F 15s launching and landing, in germany. impressive aircrafts at all. thanks for this vid, mate

[@danzigschwaiger5032]

F/A-18E/F Super Hornet should've been appropriate to fight the Su-57 to test if they really have the same RCS F-15 has larger RCS than Su-27, so F-15E doesn't stand a chance against Su-57.

[@hernerweisenberg7052]

I'd guess stealth is also very usefull if you want to attack stuff thats covered by enemy SAMS, but if you want to defend territory under your own SAMS cover, its probably slightly less important.

[@seshmarls]

with the extreme range and speed of those missiles it doesnt seem to really be that worthwhile to dive to the deck it just seems like your reducing what vectors are available to you to notch the radar. also I wonder if a high altitude cobra maneuver might be a viable tactic against pulsed doppler radar reducing your speed rapidly till you drop below the doppler filter while being able to quickly drop your nose back onto the enemy while they push

[@icaleinns6233]

LOL! It still woulda been fun to see a couple more rounds, just to see if you could pull it off once even!

[@AugustSchroif]

Does Felon carry hypersonics on the outer pilons? If yes, then of course it compromises whatever stealth it has.

[@wurfyy]

That's not simulated in DCS.

[@zv7eket3]

It can carry them internally

[@benfoster5426]

I wonder if pulling up would have defeated that hyper-sonic. The SR-71 needs the area of Montana or Texas to make a 90deg turn and it's going "just" Mach 3.3 or 2,200 mph. You made an interesting scenario here and it creates the question about how to a) defeat a Felon and b) how to defeat a Felon with hyper-sonic missiles.

[@PhilipTrouble]

The SR-71 also has crew that needs to live though, a manned aircraft can pull about 10g before the pilots pass out, a missile can easily achieve 50-60g

[@michaelilie1629]

missles can handle higher G Turns than sr71s but you have an interesting point

[@benfoster5426]

@@PhilipTrouble True, but the problem is related to turn radius at Mach speeds. If you're slower, that turn radius is smaller compared to a hyper-sonic missile going Mach 3.3.

[@PhilipTrouble]

@@benfoster5426 I am not fully sure about hypersonics, but I do know that Sidewinders can go supersonic and even then out-turn a subsonic aircraft. I think missiles can get to fighters even at hypersonic speeds because remember, they don’t follow you, they turn lead on you

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@benfoster5426 And the aircraft wouldn't be able to pull any sort of turn to compensate for the unbelievable speed and maneuverability of the missile. The aircraft would have to turn and shift kilometers over in 1 direction in less than 2 seconds

[@SgtSeth]

This match only matters if the stealth characteristics of the Felon are at all accurate and as you have stated before, there is no way to know.

[@ScarlettJFG]

Just watched this and all I could think at the end of round 2 was "Oh look the trail, IT'S THERE!" and how I would have tried to handle that in my F/A-18

[@onasknox9284]

Would love to see a stealth package bombing run like you did before!

[@dannysmith2806]

"im sure you are messing around with your own strike eagle" no sir, i dont even have DCS. i just thoroughly enjoy your content

[@fosterparent7477]

Good post! I think you got distracted with that new jet smell.

[@jdbarnes5987]

I’d love to see this same fight but with a Typhoon shooting Meteors or even an f15 modded with Meteor missiles just to make this fight somewhat fair. This video felt like those Mig-31 BVR videos where you just didn’t stand a chance lol

[@localracer]

5:07 At that last moment before impact, is the correct response to turn in for max perpendicular angle to the incoming missile, or shield your body with the jet?

[@TNSAOD]

Love how that second missile is still cruising when it got you.

[@yoobb]

It seems like, in a 1v1, notching is a pretty straightforward way to defeat a Fox-3, with the caveat that some missiles (like the AMRAAM) are harder to notch than others (e.g., Phoenix). I would be interested to see a 2v1 BVR fight where the 2 fighters on one side use geometry to counter notching by the 1 fighter on the other side. The 2 fighters should be able to position themselves to each fire a Fox-3, where the 1 opposing fighter cannot notch both incoming missiles at the same time. Of course, the 2 fighters have the advantage in a 2v1. One the anti-notching geometry is demonstrated in a 2v1, I'd be interested to see a 2v2, where both sides are using anti-notching geometry on each other.

[@nac2713]

7:10 USAF also has a much larger and longer missile program called LREW. This program is completely different from aim260. These missiles are too large to be used in the f22 f35's internal weapon bay. It is a missile in the same position as the r37 in the video and is being developed by Raytheon.

[@EricAero]

Both Razbam and Cubanace did a great job with these planes. SU-57 is gorgeous and the amount of details on the F15E is crazy. Big up to them !

[@aceblaneescabusa5371]

Such a chill BVR. Can you try a MiG-29MU2 against a Felon in a BVR and dogfight scenario?

[@stewsafreak]

Remember it’s customary for some us to like the video before you even watch cuz you know it’s gonna be good

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

U guys are the real MVP

[@ryandugal]

Somehow, this is the most relaxing and nail biting channel at the same time.

[@joshm1660]

Thank you for playing! 😎

[@hansbjaeke3414]

How would the Eurofighter with the Meteor do in this situation? Should be interesting...

[@tomas7158]

I had to reduce the volume when that 1st went by high. Speed can be defeated with high Gs and F15 can climb. Suggest that you clock it after 1st rwr. I did see that last one leveling up at distance like 3sec b4 hit. Strike Eagle are more useful when Raptors cleaned up the threats. Good one!

[@maliburallye350]

Stealth with R37M is unbeatable!

[@flyboymike111357]

In '08 the US government played with mounting PAC-3s on F-15s by using a special launcher. Would be interesting to see if that might effect the survivability of an F-15 vs a fighter using these long range missiles.

[@Wolfe351]

probably needed 2 stay in the notch down low for a touch longer in mission2......as you stated "I wonder if it acts like a Meteor??" now we know!!!

[@psuaj93]

Great video. Would love to see it again with AIM-120D’s and AIM-260’s.

[@danielebrozzolo1752]

I always wonder why you fight against the hypersonic missiles but never bring out the D variant of the AMRAAM that we saw in some video in the past. Amazing content regardless, keep it up!

[@conan670431]

Cause Su57 carries the R37 now documented on combat mission and the 15E does not carry the 120D so it woul dne not correct to have them .... Also after each DCS update many of the mods do not work and are broken

[@bjorsam6979]

The Eurocanards? Especially the Typhoon is a very comptetent dogfighter.

[@dondovahkiin7899]

I think the big reason why stealth will become base standard but also out of fashion at the same time is the advancement in Radars.

[@christobaliancantu7112]

Did you see the felon's complete amendment? I just saw it. It shows what it can carry. Crazy stuff....

[@Anarchy_420]

F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS JAS 39 Gripen with IRIS-T's AV-8B VS F-35B (Guns) F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II (Guns, Possibly AIM-9B's VS AIM-9X's?) MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15 (Guns) J-10 VS SU-27 (Guns, possibly Fox2 fight) P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot (Guns, Rockets*) Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado (Guns, possibly Fox1 fight) J-7 VS MIG-21 (Guns) Please fly Planes on the left!🙏👍

[@anantgautam2485]

A rare video where GS gets Checkmated without even a scratch on the other guy

[@davidpaulsen2681]

If the f15 can shoot cruise missiles down in that special radar mode the tutorial have showed, you should theoretically be able to shoot your opponents Lraam down. You have like 8 120s to sling :P

[@alirafi141947]

You should try the low level tactics against him the same way you did in the C model against the mig31.

[@akman1931]

Hey GS, I was wondering if you had a video or will make a video about how you have your controls set up for your stick, throttle, and pedals. I bought the same controller as you and would like the best optimized setup for it. Greatly appreciated!

[@Kayking_2x]

Great video man

[@superdudet1621]

It’s been said that newer models of the su 57 now have a ram coating making them more stealthy

[@shlap_cam23]

​@@Max_Da_Gsmart man

[@TheFoxYTB]

Finally its out... Came a lil bit random, but i think its okay... I wished they had been telling us exactly when its about to release, so i wouldnt miss the 30% off but....... Hello from germany ❤💙💛

Geeeez man... I've scare jumped on that last impact XD

[@erickquinones1095]

Oh damn Lmao, that second missile strike got me 😲, I wasn't ready for it 🤣 .......

[@andrewchr]

Very interesting to see how Russians have somewhat draw a line in the Stealth race and decided to jump on that long range hypersonics. Very curious to see how the US are countering this threat with their continuous R&D.

[@PureMatteo]

The rafale adopted a similar approach, S.P.E.C.T.R.A for low-mid stealth (active) only, and meteor missile (and long range cruise missile) especially knowing the likely opponents are most likely doing what you just said.

[@PhycoKrusk]

The answer appears to be, "Yes, but not nearly as much as the range of you _asthmatic_ intercept missile!" So far, this outlook appears to be the way to go, because what does it matter when the maximum effective range of _your_ missiles is inside the minimum abort range of _theirs?_ In both engagements, GS started needing to dodge missiles at about twice the range his AMRAAMs could even fly, never mind be dangerous in. The adversary here could have had no stealth at all and it would not have changed the outcome of either fight. Without the AIM-260, the United States does not have air superiority, because we just don't have enough Raptors or Amys.

[@usamashakeel1397]

Such a beautiful bird that SU-57 is!

[@kwispy5.9]

Would the f-14 be able to put more of a fight against those long range missiles?

[@mlrd6622]

Perhaps but it doesn't have the F15's radar strength.

[@jdbarnes5987]

Theoretically the AIM-54C is a threat out to that range but the f14s radar would be the limiting factor and it’s the only plane that can carry the Phoenix.

[@mlrd6622]

@@jdbarnes5987 EXACTLY.

[@PureMatteo]

@@jdbarnes5987 problem is the phoenix is only really good at distance on targets that don't alter too much their trajectory.

[@chris08091]

Great video as always

[@Devin7Eleven]

Jump scare when the second missile hit haha

[@paulcooper9011]

And Europeans get caught in the middle. That would make the Typhoon, Rafale,and Gripen with Meteors a brilliant combination.

[@DOS_Gamer]

Fun video as always, but the Su-57 and hypersonic missiles are not in DCS World yet. How do you know they're modelled accurately enough to compare against the F-15E? I completely understand comparing fully released modules (as the research has been done to make them fairly accurate) but never understood it when you use Raptors or Felons in your videos. Sorry if you had these kind of comments lots already. I'm a big fan of your cinematic videos.

[@ryandugal]

What if you toss the tanks after banking to give the missile an additional target?

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

Wonder when they are going to start modeling and introducing the AIM-260 JATM just may make these bvr missile duels competitive.

[@isaacjamestea9652]

Woulda been nice to see the Tac view for this to see what the missiles were doing

[@georgeleon1263]

It may also be that the external mounted R-37Ms are increasing the Felon’s visibility.

[@Krhys1]

I jumped when that last one hit you...

[@Semendrija123]

Great video, but I just want to address the stealth dilemma and to dispel some misconceptions! There is "internet mantra" that Su-57 is having the RCS in the range of the clean Super Hornet which is based on the Russian patent numbers, but the Su-57 patent is not stating that the plane has an RCS roughly equal to that of the Super Hornet because Russians are using an average RCS values, not the smallest RCS value from the most favorable angle like US is doing for the PR purposes. Only people who are clueless on the subject are going to buy into this nonsense! Shaping is the most important part of the stealth, and since the F-18SH is based on more than 40 years old platform it doesn’t have a single edge alignment, unlike the Su-57 that is applying exactly the same shaping rules as F-22 and F-35. Also, unlike the Su-57, F-18 doesn’t have platform alignment. Super Hornet is simply 4th generation fighter with RCS reduction measures, nothing more nothing less. In design of the Su-57 technique of continuous curves is applied. This means that the Su-57 has a constantly curving body that changes its radius of curvature at multiple points. This allows radio waves to scatter in every direction so that no waves are passed straight back to the receiver. Even if we assume that both planes have the same amount of composite materials in its structure and surface (which is not the case, Su-57 is also superior in this regard), it is physically impossible for two planes to have the same RCS, far from it! And if we take in to consideration that Su-57 has far more extensive application of the RAM, the case is closed, 0% chance!

[@Vice1-4]

Only when your stealth capabilities actually work and your radar cross section isn’t the size of a city block.

[@ryanweintraub9448]

The AIM-260 is gonna be super dangerous when loaded onto F-22s and F-35s. Also apparently, there's talk about equipping aircraft with the NASAMs AMRAAM-ER, so that'll be interesting

[@savagehobo8427]

Maybe do a mission where it has to do an engagement with aircraft but also take out ground targets. Im also curious, would dropping the tanks decoy a fox 3?

[@jaek__]

​@@realseif4759they do not

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@jaek__ true, but if you drop them along with a bunch of chaff, it might actually work as a decent decoy. They're gonna have a bigger cross-section than the rest of the chaff at the very least

[@jaek__]

@@TheOriginalFaxon modern fox 3 guidance sections are able to discern between targets quite effectively so maybe but it's pretty unlikely

[@mikeyplayz8438]

He has already done that. Multiple times. In fact, a few weeks ago he did something extremely similar in an F-15.

[@savagehobo8427]

@@mikeyplayz8438 i meant against a real person