Could Mav Have Beaten The Su-57 Felon ? | F/A-18 Super Hornet Dogfight | Top Gun 2 Maverick | DCS |

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[@teddy3849]

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[@Milchreismitschoko2]

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[@adchirnabil2105]

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[@greywolf424]

skips over dying 20 times to have a big cinematic victory roll at your one win... LOL

[@daviddoyle982]

3:41 Nah, wouldn’t have been cooler with the F22 because the storyline, the underdog feel and the fact it isn’t Navy, wouldn’t fit. Just my 2¢s

[@Ganymede1986]

Missed your chance to say "I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by" at the end there. Great video as always!

[@bigaraga]

Haha

[@mikezamayias]

I think that's reserved for popping the chute in flight

[@XXNerdzillaXX]

Right?! I thought the same thing.

[@screamintensifies6129]

You’re gonna do WHAT!

[@niko7903]

Mav would still be proud.

[@joostvisser6508]

The Felon didn't have hardbass playing, it was only using 10% of its true power

[@itsdokko2990]

in a sense is like a Tupolev Tu-22. _it uses vodka_

[@RomeoBae51]

@@itsdokko2990 I'm imagining that being said in the thickest Russian accent imaginable 😆

[@TheRobweb]

🤡

[@annoymouse890]

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[@quadpop4643]

More mission based A-10 and helicopter videos please.

[@roberth7100]

"This is supposed to be Top Gun but feels more like Edge of Tomorrow" Best quote of the entire vid. Was not expecting that

[@grimgamer24]

That was my favorite as well, definitely underrated

[@SVSky]

"all you need is kill"

[@niko7903]

Very apropos. 😊

[@blakeballard]

Love IT

[@tensor8804]

"Come find me when you eject"

[@hanyoukimura]

The way planes like the Su-57 and F-22 move through the air feels like it defies physics. Pretty great that Maverick's signature move is ultimate what netted the kill for the F/A-18.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

Once again goes to show that when even normal dogfighting fails you, a cobra maneuver CAN save your life if properly executed in a 1v1 dogfight. Well done dude!

[@braedynhoward3644]

Technically not a cobra, but yes, the one in one hundred situation, stalling might work.

[@nejsem_kreativni]

That was not cobra and it was enemy's mistake not really GS's play that took him down

[@danh8804]

@@nejsem_kreativni Luring your opponent into a mistake is a play unto itself Signed, Chess

[@RaderizDorret]

Going back to the very old school. That's a WWI Max Immelmann move.

[@TaGF_Tomcat]

Damn, I must've missed the cobra

[@plaguedocx]

It's not the pain, it's the pilot

[@BullGator-kd6ge]

@@SHINR__ it’s not the train. It’s the conductor

[@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394]

Advil

[@inorite4553]

It's not the rain, it's the moisture.

[@plaguedocx]

Its not the car, its the driver

[@debbiestimac5175]

It's not the penis. It's the operator.

[@Fighter_Daily]

“Hit the brakes and he’ll go right by”😂

[@WalrusWinking]

I think it's a testament to your piloting skills that you were able to survive so long against the 57 multiple times, good job.

[@mishmam_the_SU-57]

Not only that he actually took one down. I mean these things can stay parked on his tail outrageously comfortably and for long

[@DrlftySwlfty]

​@@mishmam_the_SU-57 Pilot error. Not the plane itself

[@MeerkatADV]

Tom Cruise stated flat out the only reason they didn't use F35s was because there isn't a 2 seat version. And it had to be Navy so no F22.

[@chuchulainn9275]

Not only that but the US Military doesn't want the capabilities of any of their frontline hardware exposed to potential enemies. No need for them to see what they don't need to see.

[@Ent1610]

Did you mean F15? F22 doesn't have a two-seat version either

[@MeerkatADV]

@Ent1610 no, they only had support from the Navy so Air Force aircraft were never a consideration.

[@MeerkatADV]

@@chuchulainn9275 Wasn't a concern for Top Gun 1. They wouldn't have shown anything classified, and if anything would have downplayed the capabilities.

[@chuchulainn9275]

@@MeerkatADV Agreed. The Tomcats were not exactly the best fighters we had at the time. That would be the F-15s and F-18s. They were also usually armed with long ranged Phoenix missiles which were not shown in the movie.

[@maxbounce]

I'm a simple man I see a Su-57 video, I click. That thing is beautiful.

[@harrisongray9172]

It’s crazy how quick the felon can be behind you. 😮

[@Spanishfutbol2010]

Especially in prison

[@Kevin32001]

@@Spanishfutbol2010 BLM

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

​@@Spanishfutbol2010 when you drop the soap

[@CraigCrider]

That one kill may be the most satisfying I've ever seen on this channel.

[@dylanwight5764]

Worth bearing in mind that surviving a merge for more than three turns or two launches is already impressive in an era of HOBS.

[@poundscake3441]

That ending maneuver though!!!!! Chefs kiss perfect

[@benjaminmoore3373]

Okay. That stall/double Fox 2 might be the coolest looking take down I've seen you do. I might have watched it 5x. Well done Mr. Sidewinder!

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

5:19 "...fighting a piece of paper that has trust vectoring..." I heard many comparisons for the Felon, but this one is new 😁

[@lockhartmatthew]

"I'm bringing him in closer Goose." Awesome!

[@WalrusWinking]

Navy guys would've been PISSED if they gave Tom Cruise's character an F22 the movie is called TOPGUN. lmao

[@timonsolus]

Closer to reality would have been a 'what if' movie scenario where Maverick gets the NATF-23 (Navy Advanced Tactical Fighter, the proposed US Navy version of the YF-23 - only built as a wind tunnel test model).

[@bojned]

This was more entertaining than I expected... Shame Su-57 didn't yet get the engines it deserves.

[@hellbent650]

Its a good thing. USA! USA!! USA!!!

[@dreaminknight]

​@@hellbent650 hahah 😆🤣

[@mk6315]

They need more washing machines 😂😂😂😂

[@hellbent650]

@Santi 97 no they don't u FnDirtyChyNnaMen.

[@cvetomirtodorov5509]

I think the newer versions already have the right engines

[@conservativemike3768]

The dynamic of the Felon’s lifting body is hypnotic.

[@eddie_23]

Yo GS. I and a lot of others would really like to see dogfight videos in which you switch planes between each round to see how much of an effect the pilot has. Don't know if this would be a pain logistically but it would be cool to see. Have a good day

[@Domalicious]

We all want this!

[@arseniynaumov135]

We all want this. f.e.: F-22 GS vs Su-57 Someotherexperienced guy then in the next round of the same video Su-57 GS vs F-22 Someotherexperiencedguy and so on

[@popnoodlez]

4:56 “maybe if I can just…” BANG 😂

[@Lokrion]

That last maneuver deserves a standing ovation!

[@madaxe606]

As a MiG-21 guy who tries to fight Hornets from time to time, I know this pain all too well.

[@Variety_Pack]

As a fellow MiG-21 guy who plays on ECW, I don't understand why you subject yourself to torture from time to time.

[@madaxe606]

@@Variety_Pack After fighting Hornets, F-5's are a walk in the park.

[@soundknight]

" it's supposed to be Top Gun 2 but it's starting to feel like Edge of Tomorrow" 🤣🤣🤣🤣💪🔫 You put in a really good effort and yes it does behave like a paper plane.

[@x3grosso1967]

Am I the only one that yelled out loud when that maneuver actually worked?? That was awesome!

[@SherloqX]

At first I thought it was a satirical video. Then you suddenly actually morphed into Maverick. That was awesome!!

[@reverendnon5959]

3:19 that was very clean

[@EdMcStinko]

The Felon has mind-boggling maneuvers. Nothing save an F-22 can level the playing field

[@kmilbabiel3340]

Yes 👍🏿 is true

[@musaratjahan7954]

Or a Viper in a 2 circle

[@emris12]

su35 vs su57 would be interesting

[@Asghaad]

@@musaratjahan7954 good luck trying that in HOBS fight ...

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

​@Asghaad the SU-57 would be destroyed in HOBS by the F-35 though. Lol. The F-35 DAS can achieve lock on at any angle, above, below, behind, wherever, it can see and lock on, that's not even counting the fact its electronic warfare suite would blind the Felon and render it defenseless before they ever even merge.

[@tzeffsmainchannel]

8:30 LOL! And the Felon Pilot dumping counter measures...to no avail!!

[@notjunior5079]

hey GS this new method where you cut to the middle of another merge after you died in the last one is really cool makes it more intense and more fun and enjoyable to watch very nice content you make here

[@Roadstar1602]

"Some people say it's just low observable, but that remains to be seen." Unintentional Dad joke.

[@clevercat5844]

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[@elbryan9]

Hell of a move! You should try this again but with a Tomcat. If memory serves, you haven't challenged a Felon since learning how to split the throttles and now that you know a good time to try that cobra manuever, who knows, you just might have a shot...

[@MikeRoch-m4r]

If memory serves he already did. He rammed the Felon at the end.

[@elbryan9]

@@MikeRoch-m4r Just went back and watched that video again and it didn't look like he split the throttles at all. Though to be fair, I'm not sure if he ever had a chance. The way those damn Felons move...

[@burningglory2373]

So.. Essentially, you hit the brakes and he flew right by

[@simeonzdravkov9867]

Tom Cruise just seen that video and is running to the nearest studio with an idea for a movie :)

[@starmaker23871]

Fact : this time, GS didn't even count the rounds.... Bet there were more behind the scenes. Mav must be a robot to kill 2 sukhoi 57s in a tomcat.

[@icaleinns6233]

I love it when you prove movies RIGHT! It really is their job most of the time to make us believe the impossible is not only possible, but probable.

[@edwardking186]

"I'm gonna hit the brakes; he'll fly right by." - Maverick in the final battle in Top Gun😂

[@IrritationX]

If they had given Tom Cruise a Raptor, it wouldn't have been a Navy recruiting film. That's why the Navy needs a Tomcat II--an absolute missile-slinging beast with a long loiter time and enough stealth to make you wonder if you're being watched as you're approaching the carrier group.

[@novemberzed9163]

Sadly, there will never be a tomcat 2. The best the navy can offer you is a single engine F35 with a zillion software bugs and no Find-my-F35 app.

[@williamknox4303]

"Find-My-F35 App" Lol I guess they really could have used that in some random scenario couldn't guess when.@@novemberzed9163

[@Yaaasuko]

The move at the end was so Maverick. It was really cool. I literally cheered for you when the missile hit. I was laughing so hard for most of the video. Great video.

[@kcabsquadron4873]

"I'm gonna hit the brakes and he'll fly right by" ... guaranteed to work or not!

[@rangerrick8220]

In a way, for that final victory, the F18 there moved like an SU-57... when in Rome...

[@dlr1668]

Absolutely the best shot I've seen in a very long time. Has to be best shot at least of the year. I think ever

[@JordanOwnby]

You and LongShot both have been making me literally pump my fist in the air lately. Comin' out with some crazy kills you have no business getting.

[@jameskamoet273]

Mav's differential throttle vectoring was my high.... Too dope

[@tarekmartin9993]

defeated only doing what mav would have done. This video is gold 😂

[@WarriorKidd06]

That last kill is one of the most satisfying kills I’ve seen you have on here. Great job on coming up with an effective strategy

[@RaGeRC]

I never cheered for a GS kill harder than I did for that kill!! Well done sir!! 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@UnemployedMates]

"Feel like edge of tomorrow" one hell of a one liner had me dyin bro

[@Mysucculentchinesemeal]

A dogfight with the HARV would be awesome.

[@CefiroGuy3]

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[@andrewrogers3067]

Funny thing is they wanted the F35 in the movie but weren’t allowed by the Air Force. And if that’s the case, could the F-35 beat the Su57 in either dogfight or BVR?

[@mortenBP]

GS has had the F22 vs F35 tested in a dogfight and it is F22 win every time. The F35 is not at all a dogfighter.

[@BullGator-kd6ge]

I believe you mean Navy. And the reason why was because they don’t have two seats for actor shots.

[@mraviatorboii2510]

@@mortenBP Don’t trust DCS for facts. That’s not true.

[@ActiveBelligerence]

​@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire NASA observatory 😭

[@sauronthemighty3985]

If they couldn't get maverick in an f-35, they should have made the enemy fly an some advanced 4th gen fighter, like an advanced flanker variant.

[@Quaker521]

"Maybe if I could just........ Never mind"🤣🤣🤣

[@garnix6390]

If Mav would have gotten a F-22 I would have asked when he left the Navy to join the Air Force :D

[@nickmax6769]

Rooster: It's not the plane, sir. It's the pilot The Plane:

[@camjam344]

Love these super hornet vids ❤😊

[@pbdye1607]

In response to the perfect "Edge of Tomorrow" quip: "Fly, Die, Repeat." Or in the vein of Eat Pray Love, "Stall, Pray, Fox 2."

[@ralfhtg1056]

This starts to feel like the F-5 vs MiG 29 video...

[@Arrow_118]

Same vibes...

[@edtlonsway]

Best line of the entire video (great one btw); I'll paraphrase: "It was supposed to be Top Gun but it's turning into Edge of Tomorrow."

[@birb2488]

Okay, you did the F-22 vs J-20 But what about Su-57 vs J-20?

[@bigaraga]

Oo interesting

[@AoDahRoh21404]

Ah yes a Cripple fight

[@FormulaZR]

Thats pretty cool how you role played all the Hornets in the squadron. All dead except one. GG

[@davidbarbee1276]

Have you considered ejecting and then using your emergency kit sidearm to shoot at the felon while you’re under chute?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Looool I wish I was that good a shot brother.

[@Stumpy-tp4gn]

I think another thing to remember about fighting a 5th Gen fighter, or whatever the new hotness is, is that they also don't put their run of the mill, average Ivan in the pilot seat of those. It's the best pilots they have. That equals very bad day

[@KattiValk]

If you want to do the Top Gun intercept you should do a 4vX situation with the 4 Hornets on the deck and however many Su-57s you want diving in. Definitely feel like this channel is missing wingman coordination stuff which would do a lot to liven up content.

[@SHARPSPEED]

"Wouldn't t have been cool if they gave Tom an F22?" I was surprised they didn't.

[@ohger1]

It's a Rocky moment - our hero had to be the underdog.

[@edward831128]

I'll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by.

[@DDayJayke]

GS almost got as frustrated as he did in his Mig-31 vs F-14 video

[@_jaegerboy_]

Another comment already mentioned this, but it would be interesting to see how the F-35 handle the Felon in a BVR fight

[@theblackvai3001]

The Su-57 and F-35 have about the same stealth.

[@user-do9zn6or3n]

@@theblackvai3001 🧢 nobody knows if su 57 really is a stealth aircraft at all

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@theblackvai3001 Sukhoi's own patents show it having an equivalent RCS to a clean Super Hornet. It's the only "stealth" fighter without S-duct intakes after all.

[@Scottuz]

That last kill shot, makes all the other deaths OK🤣🤣

[@Lesminster]

For most of the video it looked like Felon was simply playing with you :D Last kill was nice though. So technically there is always a chance, but it requires to bet everything on one very risky maneuver, and if you mess up you're done. F-22 would kinda devalue Mavericks amazing, otherwordly piloting skills, so it would be then more about the plane than the pilot.

[@MalfosRanger]

To say nothing of it being an aircraft with which he has no firsthand experience suggested in universe.

[@philipmorris438]

That ending was F#&@ amaizing man. Maverick would be proud

[@FasterThanRaito]

To be more like the challenge presented in the film, the F-18 should be heading towards a specific geomarker with the Su-57 starting at BVR range and closing in where the Hornet might not be able to see

[@NoName5589]

That's just make an F-18 win even more impossible

[@NathanaelNaused]

Did I miss the part where the F18 was dogfighting an Su-57?

[@heatblast876]

@@NoName5589 ohh, at the same time that F/A 18 is dead at the first place, when it comes to BVR match of an 5 gen aircraft. Have a nice day.

[@nickjenkins6755]

I think that was the coolest kill I've seen you make.

[@johnpope8949]

In some of those near-collisions, I’d think that ramming is your only chance to live through the encounter.

[@thystaff742]

Long as it's only the wing that takes the hit.

[@GregAllen2]

This was entertaining to watch. I got some good laughs. Thanks!

[@sigmund2121]

I have never played DCS, but I wanted to know when you are shot down do you have to go back to base and go through the start-up process on the plane and take off, or is there a by-pass or "continue" option that respawns you in the air with your armament so you can pick up where you left off?

[@pauldanrich3919]

Last dogfight was beautiful man, just beautiful!!!

[@flightfun5950]

wouww !! - what a close fight, nice shot !! didn't expect that's possible to do the Maverick

[@billfrankfurt5133]

Mav would have had hundreds of thousands of hours in a fighter jet and possibly tens of thousands of hours in combat/training situations. The SU pilot likely had simulator time, BVR training and little dog fighting time. I think you should retry this with a good newer competitor.

[@theblackvai3001]

Damn you're burning? The pilot on the Su-57 does not even sweat when he makes maneuvers, and you say that mav I had to prepare for 4,000 hours. Either way, the Mav wouldn't have a chance.

[@billfrankfurt5133]

I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think it would be fun to see this replayed with someone with less experience, which is what the movie was going with.

[@lukecovey8406]

That second go - I knew GS was done when he started saying, "No way that tracks." When GS is confident, death is imminent. His own, that is.

[@TheBeatenPaths]

I'm surprised they haven't developed missiles that'll manoeuvre like a 5th gen fighter.

[@immortaldev1489]

Pretty much all missiles do, the aim 9x can pull about 60 Gs, it's just about nose positioning relative between the aircraft

[@RaderizDorret]

Python has entered the chat.

[@TheBeatenPaths]

@@immortaldev1489 I'm a newbie to all this lol. I've just never seen one actually "turn around" to chase it's target.

[@craig.a.glesner]

“He’s basically got my shit here!” *BANG* Yep, Growling you most def leave some of the best last words on the voice recorder. Grim ones but also sadly funny.

[@christopherbrown6523]

If the Super Hornet had thrust vectoring it would definitely be a more even fight.

[@Asghaad]

it doesnt have enough wing surface area to make real use of the vectoring

[@christopherbrown6523]

@@Asghaad It would still help turning performance. The HARV program showed that.

[@yogiguitar1]

that was pretty cool in the end man

[@DoomRulz]

In DCS, the Felon is a formidable adversary, apparently on the level of the F-22. But in reality, it seems that the Felon isn't all that respected as a fighter jet. Or am I missing something?

[@nihluxler1890]

It’s mostly due to the fact that there aren’t that many of them, and antagonism against just about anything Russian at the moment. In reality the Felon likely already has combat air-to-air kills (against planes mind you, not balloons).

[@xv.luc1d]

5:19 This made me pause the video and spill my drink You are hilarious

[@CJWall_rott]

I think the p51 could do it

[@yaseen157]

"feels like I'm trying to fight a piece of paper with thrust vectoring"🤣🤣

[@akmorf6609]

I've seen A LOT of your videos past 3 years. But somehow this video makes me wanna ask you, how come you dont fly the Su 57 yourself? Since you're good at DCS, i think you could make wonders with Su57 against anything, if u got used to flying it.

[@aod8770]

He flies it in some videos

[@tigerace351]

That last move/kill has got to be in the top 5 of all times. Nicely done! 👍

[@xrk2983]

Well top gun 2 if it had an f22 would mean that they would've had to take off from an airforce base. As well as not land on the aircraft carrier. And I think top gun is a naval aviation school. So no f22

[@RT42069]

You can land an F-22 on an aircraft carrier. I mean, you can only do it once, and you won't be able to fly it again, but it can still be done

[@brycewilson5594]

Rough first few tries! But when you channel your inner Maverick, anything is possible! Even bagging a Su-57 in an F-18!

[@LPM147]

Probably the dumbest question on the topic of air combat/dog fighting, but why can't they mount something like a mini-CWIS on a plane to allow you more angles (i.e. opportunities) to shoot a target? On every fighter aircraft you have to be facing the target (or nearly facing) to use your guns/missiles. I would think that even with limited movement you could probably get a turret that gives at least 180 degrees versus nose/wing mounted that only give maybe 0-10 degrees of coverage?

[@winterscrescendo]

Helicopters like the Apache do that. The gun tracks where the pilot is looking. Problem is, jets move much faster and *need* to move much faster because of the way missiles work (a fast fighter gives its missiles more range and the pilot better a better chance to survive any missiles launched at them). A big gimbal or turret setup on a fighter would completely screw up its aerodynamics and its handling. Since most real combat happens with missiles and not guns, the trade offs just aren't worth it.

[@LPM147]

@@winterscrescendo Agreed. I just always thought it was funny watching these dogfight sims that 90% of the time is the two planes trying to get into position. I mean in the one where it was the F-18 v the Su-57, it just seemed like there was a so many times where if you had such a system, the pilot could have made the kill shot. Even after all these years, dogfighting in planes hasn't really changed at all.

[@revengefullobster4524]

You pulled a cobra maneuver on him...Welled played!

[@asterixdogmatix1073]

Well, taking the Su-57 on BVR might help. As those exposed Philips head screws all over the Su-57 in every close up photo you can find on the net are 'SUPER' stealthy.

[@rajaydon1893]

I don't see them on current production models though

[@gaiofattos2]

The open intakes too.

[@asterixdogmatix1073]

@@rajaydon1893 Of the 7 currently in service in December 2022? Lol.

[@rajaydon1893]

@@asterixdogmatix1073 these production models have only come out less than a year ago so what do you mean by 2002 and what does that have to do with my previous statement

[@situationunchanged9733]

I have do admit that ending was awfully satisfying 👍

[@drkvenger]

Mav in an F22 would essentially be overkill - his off the scale dogfighting IQ in the most advanced lethal 5th Gen fighter would make the SU57 the underdog.

[@IndyBobcat]

80 knots, flares, the Sun... still got him in the end. Nice work.