F-22 Raptor Vs Su-57 Felon | Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@leonardoXDSWL]

does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

[@psycho3v]

Can u remake the 3 ufo 🛸 shot down

[@dimitri1154]

Love these videos, unfortunately the comments section turns into a pissing contest 😀

[@hkguitar1984]

Fantastic GS, a very tight engagement, I was on the edge of my seat after you made the merge.

[@abouzarabbasi3454]

Hi @GrowlingSidewinder , please retry it by R-37M from both Su-57 and Su-35 , and then with Fakour-90 missile from Iranian F-14 modernized.

[@veldrin055]

F-22's 5th generation stealth was a massive factor in its recent 4-0 engagements with balloons and UFOs

[@recon17]

3-0. The 4th ufo/uap was shotdown by an f-16.

[@eeeeeek]

@@recon17 so now f16 got stealth too??

[@recon17]

@@eeeeeekyou don't need stealth to shoot down a high altitude object, just the ability to fly really high. F-16 has a great t/w ratio. Btw, the object that the F-16 shot down was flying lower than the one that was shot by the F-22.

[@tbmdd]

F-22 3-0 SU-57 0-0

[@Namoamitabha-US]

considered all the balloons cost ~$100 bucks/each, F-22's suffered huge lost

[@constablemittens]

Its a good thing your optical radar defeated the stealth on those power lines last second.

[@leonardoXDSWL]

does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

[@maverickmissile801]

@@leonardoXDSWL dawg what 💀

[@williamphillips24]

@@maverickmissile801 I think he's referring to the side arrays. It allows them to turn away to a certain degree and still provide guidance to the missiles but as the range and power isn't as high as the main radar in the nose it's mostly for maintaining awareness.

[@zachornsby285]

Dude he’s talking about how he almost hit the power lines 😂 you guys are slow, OPTICAL RADAR = his eyes 👀 cuz he saw it at the last second

[@maverickmissile801]

@@zachornsby285 the main comment is... Yes we understand the joke and it's quite funny but we weren't talking about that.

[@wipplewopple1876]

Something you did well at hinting at throughout the video is that Stealth doesn't strictly mean undetectable, but rather very hard to achieve weapons-grade lock.

[@sety5591]

@@nickhayley probably because accurate radar is short wave, but short wave is absorbed by stealth paint, while long wave is not as accurate, but is not absorbed by stealth paint.

[@icaleinns6233]

whoops, I should have read the comments before I put up my own. My comment exactly mirrors yours, only with a tick more techno speak. Nice one!

[@PhilipTrouble]

@@nickhayleytheres a difference between seeing an enemy on radar and seeing it so crystal clear that you can precisely guide a missile onto it

[@MrOtistetrax]

People think Stealth means "invisible" but really it's a spectrum of Low Observability.

[@zachary_smith1]

Yea there’s some great videos out there talking about this. There not invis to early warning long range radar rather invis to a lot of missle locks.

[@fanman71]

Epic battle. It was crazy how off bore his missile essentially did a complete 180 & almost took you out.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya the archer is a scary missile

[@danielayers3054]

I know right, I never really seen one do that before either.

[@IcyBliels]

Those Archers are straight out of Wanted

[@bojned]

@@danielayers3054 Israeli python missiles do that regularly.

[@Nocleverpuns]

@@bojned why are they launching so far off boresight regularly?

[@HM-yh6ys]

I never get tired of Felon vs Raptor 😄

[@ogFIEND]

Raptor vs. anything is an automatic click for me

[@tlndblood8776]

Personally I prefer fourth gen but these are still an automatic click for me.

[@user-tm5pn3ov9o]

Imagine if they had a YF23 in DCS

[@beanieteamie7435]

If only DCS was even a remotely accurate 5th gen sim.

[@gamerboy7820]

It’s the opposite for me

[@marendur]

"Give up Felon, I have the high cloud!"

[@bernardsoh3559]

I heard that in the voice of Ewan McGregor

[@guavaice1]

You underestimate my thrust to weight ratio!

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

GS my dude, if you need time for a break for health, your very real fan base will stand behind you and wait for a video, family and health come first my man! As an addendum, I admire the dedication you have put into providing us with outstanding videos.mad respect from Rob in Florida.

[@braedynhoward3644]

Is he having health issues?

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

@@braedynhoward3644 it sounds like he has a stuffy nose. Also his energy is a little off.

[@braedynhoward3644]

@@dystopianlucidity4448 Oh ok. Yeah I noticed. Your comment had me worried though XD

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Love you guys, I took 4 days off so far getting over this cold and I love making these videos so I’m literally excited to be back doing it, maybe a little too early cuz it seems everyone can tell I was out with a cold 😆

[@Endelin]

@@GrowlingSidewinder The stealth on your cold totally failed. Get well soon!

[@agera.rs7]

Finally a very hard fight. The felon made the critical mistake of being toooooo slow, probably miscalculated, and you ended up just above him

[@S1lverarrow]

skill

[@MrTesteur]

the frelon made the mistake of dropping shtlds of flares way too early as well

[@Ripa-Moramee]

​@@MrTesteurpre flaring is important

[@lukeari9890]

He was banking on that missile hitting

[@michaelpascual3581]

The howl of the Felon as he searched for you is so badass. Badass as always, GS.

[@mattt525]

Thing sounds meannnn

[@callsingadder]

The su-57 sound is just perfect

[@schrodinger_cat-d9h]

You can think about stealth as a glass: while it's transparent for visible spectrum, it is still solid for infrared and ultraviolet wave lengths. And Su-35/57 and S-300/400 can emit other wave lengths - X-band and L-band. The range of EM wave frequencies object is invisible for is depended on the distance between molecules (look up diffraction formulas), so there is no way to make object stealthy for all the frequencies at the same time

[@aleksalukovic4180]

Thank you for the comment, very insightful, you made is very easy to understand!

[@KZ-se4ik]

We'll never know till actual combat occurs, but the consistency with which the SU57 seems to get a firing solution first in this and other engagements is surprising, and given what I've read, a little suspect.

[@little_error295]

It has the longest range AA kill also it has enormous L band radars all along both of its wings so that helps 😂

[@ltcuddles685]

Extremely suspect even. It's their first generation of airborne AESA radar, while the F-22 is on a 4th generation AESA with lots of real world testing and the world's best microprocessing and programming available to improve it. Both modules are just mods though, so consistency on either is dubious at the very best.

[@reboundrides8132]

This is dcs. They aren’t even real flight models they are mods. This is not anywhere close to how a real scenario would play out.

[@nobleman-swerve]

@@little_error295 Yeah coming from Russia which has claimed to have shot down more fixed-wing Ukrainian assets than the Ukrainians actually have I'm not too sure if I believe that. Especially considering the bloody thing is still hasn't been cleared for active service.

[@immikeurnot]

What has the longest air to air kill? Not the Su57. They are not and likely never will be front line fighters. FFS, there are all of 11 "production" aircraft. 21 total if you count prototypes. It's the T14 Armata of the sky.

[@moonage_]

The SU-57's howl sounds incredible in DCS

[@herbderbler1585]

Looks like the Su-57 is a pretty solid peer to the F-22 in DCS. Victory will come down to the skills of and strategy of the pilot.

[@NoahDVS]

He said in the beginning that he reduced the stealth of the F-22 for this video though.

[@niko7903]

​@@NoahDVS Exactly, in previous engagements the Felon had noticeably more difficulty gaining a solid track. This was a bit more fun.

[@ary2407]

And the luck

[@S1lverarrow]

@@NoahDVS yes but in this simulator I dobt they programed the Su-57 with 5 radar as it is in reality, in reality Su-57 got 5 radars palced all over its body, increasing situation awareness, and allow it to guide misslie even when looking away. 3 S-brand radar and 2 L-brand radar with better stealth detection. Nobody know how that would work yet, so there is no way to program it in DCS.

[@user-bw6jg4ej2m]

@@S1lverarrow yeah-yeah, _on paper_ they're the world's 2nd army...

[@syper51]

Your videos are so entertaining… thanks for being somebody i can watch when i feel like junk. You are a very underrated channel. Your the reason I’m in to DCS. Thanks man

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Very nice of you man, Thank you for watching, I appreciate your support. Much love.

[@Umairy76470]

And very informative as well

[@mysticboy3373]

Same here. (Btw to every comment that says that at least the Su-57 shot down a fighter which the f-22 did not yet. Well, the US didn't deploy the f-22 on a fighter yet because there wasn't a target that was worth the F-22's presence. The F-22 will always be superior to the Su-57).

[@plutoidrepublic2765]

if u need any comfort im here

[@nathaniellazo5912]

5:00 Nice cinematic of dodging the powerlines!! That was close.

[@joshr.8010]

dogfights are cool but the bvr stuff is so fascinating to me

[@ruehl3853]

By the end I was celebrating like my team had won World Cup. Personally id always stick to the ww2 stuff these Missles aren’t for me 😅

[@GrielMerc4ever]

Honestly one of the best modern style dogfights you’ve given us so far. great content. As usual. Those close calls were amazing.

[@lordisback1947]

The fun thing about su57 is that it has 3 radars which is n036 x band one on nose and two on sides and 2 transceivers n036 L band on wing leading edge flaps. Now, the radars help it lock on Target or guide on target even while defending itself and the transceivers help it use friend and foe system and electronic warfare. So, i believe DCS su57 is not at all close to the real one and it could be something different and will surprise in future

[@NationChosenByGod]

The same for the F-22 as well.

[@s87343jim]

Yeah, both of them are mods made by the community members

[@BOXabaca]

DCS doesn't go so far as to simulate real RF, so everything the radar/ECM/etc do are contrivances for sim purposes, and often balanced a bit (nerfed) for fair gameplay.

[@TOx1CC]

actually 4 radars, N036 x1, N036B x2 (both cheeks), N036Kh x1 (in the tail section, rear facing)

[@dennisa7784]

It's so stealthy too that it's never been seen in combat at all

[@heyidiot]

5:00 Judging from that sonic boom, if they could look out their window and see an F-22 fly under those power lines, the window would already be broken.

[@Mcree114]

And the powerlines blown off the poles probably.

[@bojned]

And they would have shattered glass in their face.

[@covahredro8370]

@@Mcree114 No those ones are too big and well sunk into the ground for that to happen. Would certainly make them vibrate though.

[@covahredro8370]

I doubt it, would have to be right underneath the flight path. I've had F16s blast over the place I used to live, it just made the windows(and every else)rattle pretty hard. Though I have heard people say they've had windows broken, but in those instances the jet blew straight down low right over their house.

[@bojned]

@@covahredro8370 In your opinion, how low should he be flying if he is going under power lines already? 😂😂

[@itskaptainmikey4399]

This needs to be remade but with Lingshot flying the Felon, he’s much better at flying flanker type jets and I don’t think he would’ve made the same mistake.

[@caimanaraujo479]

There is already a video of them fighting bvr to dogfight, but the f-22 wasn't capped.

[@NateTheGreat187]

Maverick already smoked two of them, so…

[@caimanaraujo479]

Dude this was one of the best videos you made, so engaging and tense, with great editing, explanations, close calls, and something I will always love: BVR fight to Dogfight. Its just so cool to see how would it be possible for a dogfight to take place in a more realistic setting, instead of a duel. This is just badass.

[@QuestoDomini]

The felon from what I read as reported have a targeting pod out in front of the canopy that ruins “stealth”, along with all this rivets and naked jet outlets. So not exactly stealth, but perhaps “stealthy”.

[@ThunderChunky101]

"Stealthish"?

[@johnnyblack2652]

@@ThunderChunky101 "stealth adjacent"

[@victorzvyagintsev1325]

Common mistake to judge a Felon by the PAK-FA look.

[@gaiofattos2]

The IRST didn't help the EF2000 against the Raptor It's a short range sensor in a aircraft that will be showing in F-22 radar at +100 km.

[@victorzvyagintsev1325]

@@gaiofattos2 Simulation fights always come with serious restrictions and thus can't be counted on.

[@tedf7843]

SU-57 sounds like a tie fighter sound effect from Star Wars

[@jamesgivens9997]

Considering the Radar cross section of a SU57 is the size of a big truck tire and the radar cross section of a F22 is the size of a marble, I would say that the stealth capability of the f22 is quite impressive and accomplishment in itself

[@ДмитрийЧеботарёв-щ8х]

How do you know the radar cross section of the su 57? Your friends from the CIA? Have you read in the media? Man caricature...

[@JR777.mp4]

​@@ДмитрийЧеботарёв-щ8хsukhoi leaked documents. Quiet, kid. I know it's hard when nobody loves and supports you 💔

[@ЭкономияКанкрина]

​@@ДмитрийЧеботарёв-щ8х You don't have to be an expert to know the RCS of an F-22 or a Su-57. The main problem is the huge radar ahead of the F-22 or Su-57. This radar reflects the radio signal better than anything in the world because it is designed to receive the signal. So the RCS of these fighters cannot be lower than the diameter of these radars, so it is definitely higher than 0.1, because 0.1 is the diameter of a Tomahawk cruise missile in flight, and the width of the radar is higher than a Tomahawk missile. This is not to mention other signal receivers, which are stuffed with fifth-generation fighters. It is simply impossible to hide this radar anywhere, all developments to reduce the visibility of onboard radars do not give significant results. It is important to realize that such fighters as the F22 and Su-57 achieve maximum effectiveness at high altitude and high speed. In such conditions, their missiles fly significantly farther. And if you know the principle of operation of pulse Doppler radars, you should realize that in such conditions their visibility increases many times. Because of the Doppler effect.) That's why there's no radar on F117 or B2. Stealth on fighters is as much marketing as super maneuverability.

[@Greasy__Bear]

No body really knows how stealthy the su57. all we know is its probably less than the raptor and more than an su35 with radar absorbent paint. I think it would be foolish to underestimate the su57, especially with the crazy radar they have in the thing.

[@xnosniper3874]

​@@Greasy__Bearthe f-22 is classed as a stealth aircraft while the su-57 is class as low visibility, it isn't even worth comparing these aircraft

[@codychild2665]

Sweet victory! You might -say you almost died 4 times with those power lines. A lifetime of almost is a lifetime of never. 👏

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

That’s true loool 4 close calls in this one

[@thebushwook1e]

hey man those SU-57 RCS wood screws really do help with stealth

[@nemanja162]

Today on shit that never happened 😂

[@comareborn8734]

T-50 prototype. Production Su-57s don't have those...

[@gfl7lion718]

I just love the 5th gen fighter videos! They are always just so different and you never know what to expect

[@F0X_two]

Oh well, you don’t sound too good… get well soon GS, and take a break if necessary! ❤ But still got to admire the dedication

[@jaype331]

I swear bro everyone in America just got sick. I've seen several KZbinrs all sound sick at the same time including me and my family and my friends

[@ThunderChunky101]

It's being locked indoors for so long.

[@mattfraynor]

That’s the most exciting and entertaining dogfight/video I’ve seen on your channel. Great stuff!

[@jadedragonfilms8784]

His flanker videos get even better

[@itsdokko2990]

oh man, i didn't know the SU-57 has intake noises like the Avro Vulcan used to have, that howling sure is great pyschological warfare. and that fight had me on the edge!

[@reboundrides8132]

Psychological warfare!? they have one that’s operational and it’s capability has been widely over exaggerated.

[@Nocleverpuns]

@@reboundrides8132 he's just talking about the sound, calm yourself.

[@reboundrides8132]

@@Nocleverpuns yeah I’m bouncing off the walls over here. This comment is equivalent to the Russian army shouting “ura” in their parade.

[@Nocleverpuns]

@@reboundrides8132 sounds concerning.

[@recon17]

@@reboundrides8132 now that is over exaggerated.

[@prohero22]

This video had me glued to the toilet. So exciting.

[@OCE_Stealyx]

by the looks of it the felon is more of an energy fighter after making the mistake of being far too slow...like you said its quite the large plane...

[@zebimicio5204]

The felon isnt really any larger than the f22. If we took the tail tip off, its literally the same length of a raptor By total dimension, the f22 is the lsrgest 5th gen stealth fighter aircraft (its heavier and is thicker than both su57 and j20)

[@OCE_Stealyx]

@@zebimicio5204 thanks for the info...im unsure of jets passed gen 3-4

[@AscendingBliss]

Now I want to see F-22 vs Balloon...

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

They need to find a way to incorporate the SU57 IRST sensor and IRST sensors on all the jets that have them

[@nocturnalverse5739]

Ancient radars can pick up stealth aircraft, but aren't much more useful than that, IIRC. So maybe Russians can tell the Felon pilot that they are going to be eating missiles from whatever oclock.

[@cIappo896]

Honestly, the F22 and F35 and Su57 and the upcoming Su75 are all fine and dandy, but the one department which Su57 fucking dominates is the naming. Felon is probably the single fucking best name I've ever seen.

[@Adamz678]

NATO gave it that name actually.

[@drewgsands]

Lipstick on a pig vs a f22 this is such a funny

[@ronniebauman28]

Excited to hear Ryan(Max Afterburner) break this one down with his knowledge and experience. What a battle.

[@narcissus79]

he probably won't talk too much about the BVR stuff.. most of those tactics are Secret Squirrel 🤫

[@myronplatte8354]

Hear ye!

[@ronniebauman28]

@@narcissus79 more like flying squirrel. 😉 I'm sorry. I'll see myself out. Lol

[@dtar380]

10 minutes of fight, thats impresive, and both had to use all their missiles even Sidewinders

[@williammartin9254]

Pretty intense vid. Loved the fact it went from bvr and ended up in the merge. The ferocity of the tone when it came to the merge definitely makes this my top favorite vid of yours.

[@csjrogerson2377]

Stealth is a relative term which depends on the relative capability of RCS reduction on one side versus increasing power and sensitivity of the radar and its tracking capability on the other. Just depends on which makes the most advances over the other. Then dont forget DCS is just guessing.

[@LocalBosnian-99]

Neeerrddd

[@chrisvaughan2462]

I love how much of a tactical play takes place during the fight, you’re expecting it’s going to be like Top Gun, but it was like the chess game and ending was epic, both fighters are so good that only a mistake decided the fate of the match! Very good video!

[@Plymouth-Interlocking]

That was an epic battle! I love that it went to the merge naturally!

[@ThunderChunky101]

Right?!

[@iamonfire92]

11:43 DCS moment be like... Rocket R73L - laser optical fuse. By irradiating the target and determining the distance to it from the reflected signal, the device detonates the warhead at the optimal distance. The fuse parameters are adapted to the size of the target being hit. A contact fuse is also provided (for cases of direct hit or fall on the ground or into water) in case of necessary self-destruction.

[@darwinism8181]

Being able to see stealth aircraft is incredibly old news - seeing and locking are two wholly different things. Of course if you can see it at all you can vector your own aircraft to intercept, and that's honestly the biggest advantage of tracking without a lock. Stealth still has a huge advantage, but the days where people weren't even sure where a stealth attack would come from are long over.

[@pauldorfman701]

They aren't long over at all and assuming the Russian planes can see our isn't a given either. Red flag the pilots who went up against the raptor said they didn't know it was there until they were hit recently.

[@deanlawson6880]

Wow GS!! That was an amazing engagement! Congrats on that win. Hard fought. You definitely earned that one! That was amazing to watch!! Thanks for this!!

[@franknitti6328]

Interesting fight, I could not imagine the felon could get so close but I think that, if tracking, an R37 missile might be even more dangerous and get closer if compared with the r77 as showed in the video f22 vs mig 31.

[@phunkracy]

In a target heavy environment aka WW3 the ranges suddenly decrease.

[@darrellseike3185]

Awesome dogfight! That Archer flying by your plane was crazy! You could hear it!

[@omgmyspleen3582]

Fantastic fight by both parties. Had me at the edge of my seat just watching. Can’t imagine how it must’ve been for you both! Also, rest up man. Hope you feel better soon.

[@zaniwoob]

We have come a long way throwing rocks at each other. But it's still throwing rocks at each other.

[@vaclavkolar6750]

The system russians could use is probably something like Czechoslovakian Tamara radar from 1986. Instead of radiating waves and picking reflected ones, tamara radiates all directions waves that reflect from ionosphere and picks all of them. So instead of picking reflected waves, tamara shows target location where there are no waves accepted back, therefore it doesnt really matter if youre stealth or not, Tamara picks you anyway

[@immikeurnot]

It's a wavelength thing. Lower wavelengths can actually see stealthy aircraft, but targeting radars are higher freq and effectively blind. Though this info comes from Russian evaluation of the F-117.

[@fshn4x4]

Irrelevant to missile lock * shrug *

[@sombraarthur]

@@fshn4x4 it is not. FIrst firing solutions use lower wavelengths. You can do a dual firing solution missile (it is going to cost more, but can be done) where you can combine lower wavelengths to detect with a IR solution to switch to when close to the target. Dual tracking heads are nothing out of the orinary.

[@akborealisdevstringerdesig3845]

That makes no sense. Maybe the reason why russia hasnt won a dogfight since ww1.

[@baronnuuke7821]

Actually the stinger use a similar technology. While its main way of seeking it's target is IR, it also cross calculate a profile with negative UV (aka : this point doesn't give me sunlight back). I wouldn't be surprised if you could shoot down a F22 with a Stinger

[@TacoSallust]

Incredible fight! So many times that it could have ended fatally for both of you until you finally caught him in that low-energy state and got the kill.

[@evicol2117]

That "One of us is going to die" is so metal and I'm all for it. The second half of this video goes very hard.

[@WarriorKidd06]

These two planes have been described as two leaves falling in the wind when they face off and it’s so true. Great video

[@darienstinson9023]

This DF was fun the F-22 maneuverability is no joke that powerline dip had me laughing I didn't even see it at first 😂

[@ELITEeliteelite]

crazy see a jet fly under power lines.llove your vids GS

[@nightt4ng077]

I just think its insane how at 5:06 you couldnt hear the f-22 until it was past the pov guy. Amazing stealth fighter.

[@FlyLeah]

Thats a characteristic of any plane going past the speed of sound.

[@hritamnath4919]

Felon has L band arrays on the leading edges of the wings for detecting stealthy objects. Though not suitable for guiding a missile, they can at least give a general direction and position of a stealth aircraft. Dunno whether it has been implemented in DCS

[@victorzvyagintsev1325]

It has side arrays and IRST as well

[@hritamnath4919]

@@victorzvyagintsev1325 side arrays are X band like the main radar! For stealthy targets, IRST and L band arrays will be useful

[@victorzvyagintsev1325]

@@hritamnath4919 Yes, but at dogfight ranges, x-band will see stealth just fine. Having side arrays means you can hold a lock at a much greater arc. Couple that with what you mentioned and an F-22 is is some serious trouble in a dogfight.

[@SeaWasp]

That archer had your number man! That was a tense fight! Way to go 👍

[@MattWaller04]

This was an EXCELLENT battle! Man, really feel like the only reason you won here was luck. Sometimes that’s all you need!

[@AP-te6mk]

Watching on my laptop I would've 100% hit the power lines. I didn't even see them until you pointed it out lol.

[@XTXImperator]

The SU-57 should be able to detect the F-22 in BVR with it's 2 L-band AESA radars installed in the wingroots. On their own, they wouldn't be able to give the Felon a firing solution but it would give the rest of the sensors a rough vector to scan a specific part of the sky and possibly get a firing solution that way with it's other 3 AESA radars (X-band) and/or IRST.

[@agera.rs7]

Well said

[@rrosski]

3:38 thats the sound of da police

[@cameronreed1411]

The F-22 is an insane aircraft accomplishment if you consider that despite being introduced in 2005, it's still stealthier than our biggest competitor the Su-57 more almost 20 years later.

[@shades2.183]

Smh

[@cameronreed1411]

@@shades2.183 what's the problem?

[@WoodliceCC]

Love these mixed fights, of long range engagement leading to a merged dogfight. Obvs, you can't control if you kill each other at long range or not, but just saying I like your videos that are a bit different from the pure, close range dogfights (but I do love those as well). Also, just to say I've only recently discovered your channel but you've given me hours of entertainment already. THANK YOU!!!!!

[@qirx5904]

Great video as always but can you do a Eurofighter vs F-22 BVR engagement I would love to see that

[@dillpickle7844]

You dipping under those line was ballsy, I love it

[@anggisuwandi2404]

Felon actually really did a great job on stealth tech that protected Raptor, Felon even so stealthy that nobody ever seeing it on action nor production, EVER

[@pappyman179]

Source?

[@Veloso1000]

@@pappyman179it’s a joke, since they never use it

[@captainicelander3898]

One of the best heavy weight fights i've seen in DCS! Holy Moly!! Great work GS

[@arseniynaumov135]

You see, Felon is very close in his abilities. I demand 5 rounds of such a incredible show!

[@boostedbadboyzx12r31]

Lol it's not close, he handicapped the F-22 to make it close. What do you want, him to take a engine and wing off next?

[@mauswaffe]

@@boostedbadboyzx12r31 Not just that, the Su-57s performace was based on russian sources. In those the plane is far ahead compared to what intelligence reports and leaked development documents suggest.

[@MrTiti]

"imagine looking out of the window and you see an F-22 flying under the power lines": wel you will be looking out of the window anyways because seconds later the sonic boom will crack them :D

[@Joseph-Colin-EXP]

GS is sick. Bro as a dad, hot shower, then meds, then sleep. and enjoy. :)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

You got it right on the money, got it curtesy of the wife. Slowly getting better.

[@murph3194]

I love all of these videos but some more than others. This was def one of them. Well done. Always love the F22 and A10 vids but for some reason I think the WWII vids are my fav. Idk why I just love em.

[@gotspeed_]

Excellent flying, you make it look so good. Great video and commentary. Keep up the awesome videos.

[@slickninjadude9165]

Awesome job, you made all us Raptor fan boys proud :)

[@Durzo1259]

The SU-57 is highly stealthy when its nose is pointed at you, not so much when it turns away.

[@Specter690655]

F-22 also

[@phunkracy]

That's the philosophy. It either dukes it out with the enemy at long range where stealth matters, or when it close quarters it sacrifices stealth for flight performance.

[@fgk765jkh]

That's the same same for any stealth aircraft moron. Lol 😆

[@Durzo1259]

@@fgk765jkh Maximum stealth happens when the nose is pointed at you for any aircraft; that doesn't mean all stealth fighters have shit stealth from all other angles (as the SU-57 does), it just means they don't have maximum stealth. Nice display of the most common character trait of the Dunner-Kruger effect: idiots always call everyone else idiots the instant they disagree.

[@bigboi5962]

Su-57 has a minimum RCS larger than a super hornet, calling it stealthy is a joke

[@meowkii_]

Nothing better than seeing the F-22 pop flares victoriously to the Growling Sidewinder theme music 😎

[@jimmcneal5292]

You probably wanted to show a close range fight, but if you wanted to get as much advantage as possible, you shouldn't have launched 2 missiles at once at the end.

[@theodorgiosan2570]

I haven't seen an F-22 go under power lines but there is a TF-51 and Spitfire at the airport nearby that do high speed flyovers of my house, as well as B52s, C5s, and C130s from the air force base a few miles away. Also a Saab Draken that flies over once in a long while from somewhere. But in the summer almost like clockwork on Fridays and the weekends there is the roar of Merlins at 8 in the morning or so, and then again flying past the airport, turning around and landing at around 8-10 at night. Cool to watch them taking off and coming in to land.

[@nathangarza2276]

Anything that involves the F-22 fighting anything the Raptor always comes out on top

[@eagle19551]

This was a very entertaining , exciting , and suspenseful video. Clearly one of the best I’ve watched . I was in the edge of my seat . Nice job

[@skillz674]

F-22 has killed a balloon, Su-57 has not killed a balloon, F-22 > Su-57

[@kotopes211]

Epic!😂

[@joshuaoliver5878]

Alright! I was cheering for you flying the Raptor. I’m glad you didn’t get shot down!

[@ardag1439]

I don't know whether Russians can see stealth or not, but I was the fifth view on this video so I think my abilities come close.

[@j.59]

Two of the best going at it. I could watch that all day.

[@scottandrews8291]

I feel like numbers would have something to play here too. Russia only has like what, 5 Felons right now? The US has something like 180 active Raptors. I doubt it would get to the point where it's one Felon vs one Raptor. Love these fights though. It would be interesting to see if 1 Felon stands a chance against multiple F22s

[@immikeurnot]

Just looked and 21 Felons including 10 prototypes. And not at all in active service. I doubt they ever will be, despite Russian claims otherwise. A few of their "new weapons" are like this. T-14 is still just a parade tank and the AK12 does get deployed, but with no optics which was the whole point of adopting that POS.

[@FantastiXPvZ]

​@immikeurnot It's one thing to build it, but something noone does better in the world than the US, is proper supply logistics, maintenance crews and maintenance service contracts.

[@sombraarthur]

@@FantastiXPvZ not anymore, when you are all supplie by China, who INDEED has the best logistics.

[@FantastiXPvZ]

@Morfeu You obviously have no clue what Military Supply Logistics are, so please, Quiet boy.

[@zer0nool442]

The situation of a direct clash between two fighters in the middle of nothing is impossible in principle in the modern world. Russian military doctrine considers aircraft primarily to be a means of reconnaissance, support and missile deployment. Air defense should be used to confront other aircraft in direct combat. Russian military doctrine also assumes that the interaction of the armed forces is more significant than their individual superiority. This difference arises from the fact that the Russian military doctrine was built and is being built for military operations near or inside its borders, and therefore simply does not imply independent military actions of any of the branches of the armed forces, while the American doctrine is built with the idea of fighting far from its own territory, where the main means will be precisely aviation, while the navy will act as a maximum means of basing it, and the army as a means of retaining the already occupied territory.

[@alexanderbohm607]

these bvr fights that end up in the merge are some of the most compelling stuff on youtube.

[@thenegociater3387]

Would be cool to see a b21 raider BVR engagement with the AIM 260's against j20's

[@dizzyizzie6354]

Make the mod(s) lol

[@jayvee8502]

Looks like he is not using the AIM 120Ds

[@HashemAlrawashdeh06]

Bro that felon did batter than I thought it’s going to do, he really was on par with the f-22, if he had some luck I think he would’ve got him with that missile he launched in the dogfight.

[@halnineooo136]

The Felon survivability against the raptor is astounding considering the gap in investment between the two programs.

[@MikePasqqsaPekiM]

I’m not sold on the Russian stealth claims. I’m also unconvinced the F-22 can be locked and shot down outside a few miles. Hopefully we don’t find out until they’re in museums. The stealth development project itself not to mention its resulting exterior coating is a huge cost in the Raptor program. The Felon is obviously inferior in this essential factor. Possibly very inferior, if you ask India.

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@MikePasqqsaPekiM Really, I think that's the biggest part of the issue; with a lot of these flight models, we're guessing as to their actual stealth capability.

[@Firebolt193]

@@MikePasqqsaPekiM Those stealth claims are bull anyways. A recent-ish leak on the Su-57s patent showed that it has an RCS of 0.1 - 1 m^2 depending on aspect, comparable to some 4.5th Gen fighters. Its nowhere near the 0.00015 m^2 of the F-35 for example lel

[@dimitri1154]

@Firebolt we will never know most likely. Both respective governments have a huge lobby from defense industries and are obviously going to list things in embelishment of their own industries and institutes. Rememeber ussr and Russia have a very strong academy of sciences and have always been strong in physics department. The Felon was not designed to fight its near-equals, just like the F22 wasn't. Both aircraft were designed to deliver weapons with minimal visibility to existing systems most countries have.

[@M16_Akula-III]

@@Firebolt193 That's literally the target of the Felon.

[@ronniebauman28]

5:00 RIP windows. 😂 Also... Damn. That archer damn near did a 360° to take you out. Maximum pucker factor. 👀

[@teddyoregeno1765]

Is it only 360 for everyone?

[@michaelwicker9538]

This one would be a great candidate for that post flight analysis with the 3d replays GS puts up sometimes.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

What you said about driving missiles into the ground, I always assumed that radar guided missiles after the 1970s would be smart enough that they detect the ground and simply skim along the ground until the get closer rather than continuing to lose altitude because they would know that the target isn't going to suicide into the ground. Anybody know anything about this?

[@phunkracy]

If the missile dives to the ground it means it doesn't have a target lock. So while it could skim along the ground, it wouldn't know in which direction to skin, making the whole exercise fairly pointless and even dangerous for friendly targets - because the direction where it skims until target lock could be the direction of friendly forces.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

@@phunkracy Surely more modern missiles don't have this weakness. It's not too hard to program a processor that goes: "ok, I'm heading towards the ground right now, let's not. I'll just fly horizontally towards the aircraft I am targeting and when I get closer then I will prioritise heading directly at it". It's not going to just decide to turn it's heading 100°. You are more or less mapping its 3D route onto a top down 2D one and it ignores the targets altitude change if it is decreasing beyond a certain rate. If there are friendlies in the direction of the target then that is the pilots decision, nothing to do with the missile.

[@slowlylosingmysanity9726]

this one had me at the edge of my seat, god damn those close calls are insane

[@SCVC123]

I strongly suspect Russia's ability to break F-22 stealth is overstated, and I strongly suspect the Su-57 isn't as good as we think it is.

[@frostedhams]

Just like with the mig 25

[@ohger1]

One thing we know as fact is that Russia always exaggerates their capability and the U.S. downplays theirs.

[@123fockewolf]

@@ohger1 Downplay? Since when did America downplay anything they have XD

[@ohger1]

@@123fockewolf Pay attention kid - the U.S. always downplayed the capability of their military systems. The SR-71 is known to be faster than the U.S. ever admitted, and they denied the existence of the F-117 stealth until it was deployed and they had to admit they had a stealth aircraft. There are tons of examples.

[@123fockewolf]

@@ohger1 the f117 was so stealth that it got shot down by a Soviet union Missile from the 1960s🤣

[@zachschaeffer4079]

This is my favorite video you have made so far. My brothers and I were watching it on our TV and we were totally intrigued by your amazing skills. Thank you!

[@Harry-wx3nf]

I love more bvr fights