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[@howardskeivys4184]

Personally, I think this is a costly manufactured solution to a trivial or virtually non existent issue. I must however confess, that my local ‘bricks & mortar’ hifi dealer was having a stock clearance sale. I picked up a bargain. A 5 feet ‘high end’ audiophile mains cable reduced from 5 thousand pounds to 5 hundred pounds. I fitted it to my 1800 spin speed automatic washing machine. The results were phenomenal. Now, when the machine has a full 10KG load and reaches it’s maximum spin speed of 1800, the noise it produces is infinitely more pleasant. The highs are smooth and polished and have lost any hint of sibilance or graininess. The mids are clear, natural and full bodied and the lows are so well controlled the need for room treatment or DSP have been negated. The machine no longer goes for a walk around my utility room, though I credit this to the girth and binding qualities of the cable, not it’s electrical properties. The downside. Because you know there is always compromises. My teenage daughter used to get a real thrill from sitting astride the machine when it reached maximum spin speed. That damned ‘high end’ audiophile cable has denied her that basic and simple pleasure. Enjoy the music.

[@James-zu1ij]

I nearly had a hernia 🤣

[@howardskeivys4184]

@@doctorfuzzzdirtbox oh dear. Someone else that struggles to differentiate between satire and ignorance!

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

@howardskeivys4184 oh shit! Speed reading really caught me short on that one! Sorry, man!

[@davidcottrell1308]

LOL.....very funny...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@John9V1VV]

Absolute nonsense. You should learn some basic electrical theory.

[@andrewskaterrr]

Comparing water filtration to a power cable doesn’t work, they are two different things. Water from the city pipes will not get cleaner by replacing your in home pipes. You incorrectly compared it to adding filters which would clean the water. Replacing the pipe won’t filter the water so the water will be the same. Power from the wall will not “get better” by replacing the cable, it can only be “less bad” as the cable eats up electricity due to resistance, and using 12awg over 14awg would assist in that. The only way to improve the power quality would be by running through power conditioner, which would be similar to a water filter. At that point you’re trying to “clean it” using actual tools and not just a cable. The only thing a cable can do is hurt the signal. If you want to claim that it makes an IMPROVEMENT, and not a negative change to signal that you perceive as “better” eg: HF roll off, then prove us all wrong and runs the tests between cables. Gene at Audiobolics does, and he’s an electrical engineer on top of that. Sound is easily measurable, so if you want people to believe what you say, then prove it.

[@_UpVector_]

these guys would sell their mothers gold USB cables for 10.000$ telling them the computers will work better.

[@viktork.8737]

@@_UpVector_ so many idiots are all around the globe, so many many $ can be realised! ;)

[@dannyrichie9743]

Cables can be configured to act like a filter just like those that filter water. Gene has been invited over. You are welcome as well. We've proven the differences in cables MANY times. All you have to do is show up and listen.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@rgroove1970 Ha, ha, ha...

[@charleshadden2937]

I truly believe that a good cable can keep noise out and provide enough clean juice when needed to your amp. Beyond that NO! I have lots of expensive equipment and I do have some good $50 Power cables. Not wasting a penny more for nothing. I watched this guys video on testing kspeaker cable as an antenna for a stereo. What bunk. the only thing he proved is that braided cable has such good inductive rejection it makes lousy antena wire. I studied Electronic Engineering at USC, Avionics in the US NAVY, Worked at Bell Labs, was a sentior member of the SME...

[@mchlhth]

Hi Danny, “flat earther” here who wants to like your work on crossover designs and speaker upgrades, but I have also handled power supplies for computing measuring in the kilowatts and theater lighting arrays and sound systems where deploying arrays that pulled nearly 100 killowatts wasn’t out of the ordinary. I’ve used actual power conditioning equipment. I’ve also built countless power cables with numerous terminations for equipment that can pull up to 10KW at full power. I absolutely cannot condone anyone buying a $250 power cord. My 20 year old self would laugh, and my present-day near-40 year old self just feels sad. Here’s why: Consumer and prosumer audio equipment have switching designs to get from the unusable-for-anything-but-wall-sockets alternating current to direct current for use with anything inside an amp, DAC, preamp, etc. To go from AC to DC, electric power goes through a transformer, a rectifier, and several filtering and conditioning stages to smooth out variation and ripple, before it even touches anything else. (Never mind the fact that some integrated circuits have specific tolerances where they simply don’t work well, or just fail outright, if they run out of spec, so clean power delivery from the output stage of the power supply is a must.) Much like speaker wire, so long as the power cable is using the appropriate gauge for its length as to not melt and start a fire, it’s fine. I think, outside of the audiophile community, you would be (rightfully) laughed at if you said you purchased a $250 power cable… I can buy a whole 92%+ efficient 1KW power supply for that money, and it would come with a pennies-on-the-dollar, 2 meter long, 16-gauge C13 cable, and it work exactly as expected. A better power cable wouldn’t make it work any more efficiently or have more stable 12V or 5V output. Wouldn’t have to even buy one of those weirdo power conditioners either. (Again, I have dealt with real power conditioners for actual high load situations. They are not small and they are not quiet, and they belong nowhere near audiophile equipment.)

[@derkeksinator17]

I can only agree with you on this one! Although I'll have to add an asterisk to the whole power supply and filtering thing, that being switching noise and the resulting EMF can introduce noise to high impedance signals between your components. However this is mainly an issue with really cheap gear, the kind with improper back EMF protection at it's power input, cheap high ESR caps, needlessly high input impedances, or any stupid but cost saving design measures. Cheap switching AC/DC power supplies and their DC(+ f>45kHz AC) power cables are notorious for this as well. You wouldn't ever use this professionally though, as you wouldn't plug in a power-LAN Adapter next to your mixing desk.

[@mikpiece469]

I would say - the converter can only do so much, so if AC is balanced in, the DC converted better, like a water filter, the more pollution in the more pollution out after it has been cleaned

[@riseofthemachine2623]

recording (and apparently a flat-Earther) musician here...He gave a nice speech, but let's see several impartial listeners in a fair, double-blind A-B test correctly pick his cables five out of five times. he talks a good game but he needs to back it up.

[@Bobsmith-ot6si]

The difference between believing and knowing is experience 😁

[@ericgardner5548]

Bingo, I love when actual experts weigh in on this bs snake oil.

[@MilGrip76]

Without blind tests, and ABing, it's nothing but guess-work. Going from "dark", to open and airy, takes several dB, across several octaves, for a 🌙/ 🌞 difference to be made, se-ve-ral decibels! If your [anyone's] power cable is doing that, there are serious issues going on, that should not be. Accommodation is what most people are hearing, closely tied to expectation bias. My 2c.

[@neandrewthal]

based

[@dannyrichie9743]

We do bling testing all the time.

[@j.t.cooper2963]

@@dannyrichie9743 Lets see it in an unedited video then.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@j.t.cooper2963 Not a problem. We just made one.

[@Grommet2007]

If you can hear the difference between power cables, then the PS section in your amplifier sucks ass... ;-). It's supposed to convert everything it sees at the AC side to clean DC to power the amplification circuitry...

[@vivianvaldi7871]

If u like, some can kill ur Amp only with power cables on ur own grid. Then call 9/11 and ask Washington to make a 5000 pages report to explain what happened to your Amp. We'll call that the 9/11 Kill my Amp official report where no cable was involved.

[@davidleathers6406]

Your comment really made me laugh!

[@vivianvaldi7871]

@@davidleathers6406 Thx ! Was a pleasure to deliver. Well this is real : I almost destroyed a pair of 3150 NAD transformers with a bi-wiring direct from the grid. It almost started to boil like a volcano ! No islamistes state sponsored involved, only me. Mysteries, mysteries. Cheers.

[@twoeggcups]

Why do these audiophile power cable guys never suggest using a proper, big UPS? They could condition the power how they wanted then - exact frequency and voltage, filter out the RF....

[@RobWhittlestone]

@@twoeggcupsPower regenerators for HiFi do exist with perfect sine wave generation. I can’t afford them.

[@infinite1der]

If you're filtering out HF/VHF noise out of AC mains, how is "too much filtering/conditioning" a thing? Unless the filter designers are chopping the sine wave at 50/60hz. I mean, isn't that just a bad conditioner design? Show me AC mains straight to a scope, and then show the scope on the end of the fancy cable/conditioner/regenerator. THAT should be your selling point.

[@stever7638]

There's more to it than just looking at a sine wave, a high res FFT also tells a lot.

[@jean-lucbattista2492]

@Douglas Blake mate you completly missed his point. he rightly asks what the problem could be about filtering too much. Video says it makes the sound dull, well can you explain why?? that would be a selling point!

[@dannyrichie9743]

@Douglas Blake I've made power cables with caps across the lines too. It's not a fix all, but it is a nice little tweak.

[@michaeltuohy1249]

How can filtering go too far? Simple...output impedance.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@Douglas Blake A simple cap can remove some RF noise. It creates a first order style filter. So it just removes some of it. And on the interconnects it would easily become a high pass filter. So no, it doesn't work on interconnects.

[@billd9667]

You know, it’s remarkable that Danny judges speakers on frequency response, phase and resonance graphs (you know, science) alone, with no regard to how it sounds, then tells us that you can’t measure the difference between cables and that we should trust our ears. I think Danny is broken. Someone please check his capacitors

[@theklipschcave5593]

I think you havn't watched his videos at all. He do combine resonance graphs with listening. That's what he is doing for a living among other things. And if he can't find a cost-effective way of upgrading the speakers he gets in for testing, he will tell the customer to leave out the costly procedure of improving the speakers. Even better, to upgrade and buy a better speaker. Some speakers can't be improved for a low cost. Do start to watch all his videos from the very beginning and you will get what kind of interesting improvements he can help people out with. You might learn something as well...

[@billd9667]

​@@theklipschcave5593 The trouble with Danny lately is that he uses strictly measurements - actual science - for "improving" speakers without regard to how they sound (many sound great to begin with), sells improvement kits whose results you may actually hate, then recommends cables (he also sells) whose effects he can't measure, but assures you that they make a difference in sound. If you are not happy with your speaker, get a better one. Don't expect a difference if you wave a magic wand over yours with nebulous cable claims. Then again, ignorance is surely bliss. Danny surely knows what’s he’s doing. That’s what bugs me. He’s selling! I know electrical theory and his little inductor trick was just that - a trick. It had no bearing on whether one cable is better than another. Yet people like you and many others have taken his word as gospel and more than a few have spent their hard earned money on vaporware and promises.

[@HipocratesAG]

Yes, because ears from middle age males, are more accurate than any test gear. :D

[@billd9667]

@@HipocratesAG Great point. My ears are even worse, I'm sure, but Danny is probably topping out at about 10kHz these days. Maybe he should hire his wife as a subject. Then again, she might want those earrings and just say what sells cables.

[@zackschindler8334]

@@HipocratesAG Exactly! By the time guys (and it is always guys) can buy expensive cables their ears have degraded from age or their work. And there is no difference in cables anyways,

[@michelmayrand9557]

The old cable controversy at it once again. Let me ask you a question. If the power cable makes such a difference then you should be able to measure it, right? Here's the problem, you cannot as there are no differences between snake oil power cables vs the ones that came with your components. Furthermore, if, and that's a HUGE if, there was a difference, even a small one, don't you think that major players such as McIntosh, Musical Fidelity, Bryston, Rega, and Naim just to name a few, would offer a choice in power cables? They do not! Why? Because they know full well that it does not make a difference. Also, if you call any of those manufacturers, they will all tell you to stick with what the equipment came with. There's no need to buy cables that cost an arm and a leg. I can just imagine going to McIntosh or Bryston and tell them that their $10, 000 amps and preamps would sound so much better with a better choice of power cable. You guys manufacture and test your equipment up to wazoo but clearly, you need to fire the one suggesting that a $20.00 power cable is enough...right? That with a $250.00 dollar cable, your equipment would be so much better? I wonder what their answer would be? By the way, let's not forget the blind test. Funny how not one of the so called pro's selling those cables, refuses to participate in blind tests. I've challenged someone who makes speaker reviews online and in magazines, to blind test 3 speakers ranging from $4000 up to $10,000 and compare the result with previous reviews of his. Guess what? He refused! It's easy to sit down and make reviews based on high quality and expensive equipment when you are aware of the brands but not so much when you are in the dark. By the way, all REL manual says 'Only use the power cord supplied'.

[@cameronkrause4712]

Naim does offer a choice in power cords!

[@michelmayrand9557]

@@cameronkrause4712, right! I remember now how they sold out to please those who believe it makes a difference. Quite amusing when I think about it. Even funnier when people pay big bucks for something that makes no difference in sound. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJjYn2xti7Bqr5o

[@joshpeters7392]

I absolutely agree with you to a point. (I tend to think this is snake oil, but I do have an open mind despite it going against all known measurements.) Danny claims that this must be "listened to" instead of measured. Maybe, he has a point - maybe we don't have things to measure it? But, a simple blind listening test, could confirm he has something, or not... And if there is something, the test can be made more and more perfect with scientific, peer reviewed ideas on how to improve the testing. But, there has been NOTHING so far! Is that not the very way that flat earthers have "proven" their theory?" This, is insulting to science. I'm not saying he is wrong. If the effect and differences are as great as he claims, it should easily be able to be tested, verified, repeated, etc. While the first "evidence" may not be perfect (i.e. not a double blind, controlled ABX test...) I'd just like to see 4 out of 5 people state which cable is which since it's "so easily audible." Danny does a lot of things great - I have learned a lot from him for certain things - but, he can't go on saying that everyone else is wrong, without presenting actual evidence for the claims that he makes. It can't be measured, only heard? Fine! Setup a decent listening test and present evidence! Until then, he's the one on the side of the flat earthers denying all other measurements.

[@FEGTTTSDH]

Rega have a special cable in the high end range.

[@michelmayrand9557]

@@FEGTTTSDH Rega has a jazzed-up cable for the Osiris integrated amp. It's not an option. In their own words: "A Rega designed fully shielded, high quality, high current capacity mains lead is included." Apart from being fully shielded and slightly higher current, how does that make a difference with other cords? Rega does not state a single word about a sound improvement which is normal as if they did, then they would need to offer such a power cable as an option to other amps, right? Jazzing up a cable for a $10,000 integrated amp is more for show than anything else.

[@zogzog1063]

Oh dear. Yes cables CAN make a difference - if there is insufficient gauge or poor connectors. But a $5.00 cable will have the necessary gauge and it is trivial to make a good connection. Spend your money on speakers. The reason this is so sad is that Danny is right up there when it comes to speakers - but now he descends to snake oil.

[@grahamserle7930]

Agreed. I just can't believe that he has become so O.C.D about "F" ing cables. As you say, smart people know the differences and what types of cables are required for different applications, but honestly, in my 62 years I have never heard anyone bang on so much about this topic. Is this simply about trying to convince others that they must consult your opinion and purchase products from you? If not it sure as hell sounds that way and I have better things to do than to be indoctrinated by one persons opinion.

[@TofumanFC3S]

@@grahamserle7930 He isn’t OCD about cables lol. He’s sitting on tens of thousands of dollars of cable trying to profit of the audiofools. I’m not mad at all at the hustle. At this point “believers” deserve to be taken advantage of. I just hate how this latest venture takes the credibility out of his previous work. It would have been refreshing if he just went: “Cool looking cable, measure fine, see? You don’t need those 20k dollar cables, just get these affordable ones or even regular ones.” I would have respected that and I don’t mind spending a bit more on cool looking stuff. But here he’s describing magical listening experiences

[@grahamserle7930]

@@TofumanFC3S Yeah, spot on. I don't have a problem with spending extra money on a better product if I know it will give me a better outcome. I'm not a tight arse but I'm not going to pay stupid money either for something that someone tries to tell me will transform my listening experience. I've been playing with this stuff for 50 years and those who know me think that I'm obsessed when it comes to achieving the best quality sound possible within a budget. Let's just enjoy the music shall we and leave the indoctrinated to believe that their deep pockets justified their supposedly better listening experience.

[@jdlech]

Any good power supply is supposed to provide isolation between the component and the mains. There is a case to be had for heavy gauge power cable for anything that draws a lot of current. But for your average 15-30W component, either the power supply isolates it from the mains, or it should be replaced. And quite frankly, you'll get more noise from the RF produced by a modern power supply located close to the signal path than you'll get from the mains. There's a good reason why computer PSUs are locked inside a fairly sturdy faraday cage, and audio component power supplies should be too (imo). I know a guy who hooked up his component stereo system to a UPS with isolation. What is fed into his system is a pure sine wave from batteries with perfect isolation from the mains. You can't get more "conditioned" than that, and there's no audible difference whatsoever. The UPS is a $400 component meant to protect his other $20,000 in components. Again, there is an argument to be had for heavy gauge power cable going to the amp (at least equal to the house wiring). But if the power supply of a 15-30W component cannot filter out noise from the mains, then it's a POS you should never have bought.

[@jean-lucbattista2492]

@@grahamserle7930 well he is so effective with his previous work because he has been able to show how he made sens of it all. Maybe he should just show clearly that he hasn't been able to pin-point the why. That would make it even more credible to me. But we can't say he's just in it for the money, there isn't sufficient proof.

[@marksieczko7766]

One factor that is ALWAYS overlooked is - how good are your ears? By the time most folks can afford a top end system their ears will have a HF roll - off that appears to make system sound dull, one ear may have been slightly more affected than the other which can blur the sound stage, and due to the wear and tear of the ears mechanics the dynamic range suffers, ie. a bit deaf so the quiet parts are too quiet so you turn it up, then the loud parts are too loud 'cos the ear cannot handle the sound pressure dynamics and it sounds distorted. You could spend a million bucks on the technically perfect system and it will sound poor if you don't look after your ears. Perhaps instead of spending on power cords get your ears tested!

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

And that is a fair question... What I used to say to my mother who had a bone defect in both of her ears, and had both of the bones in her ears replaced with a silver wire was... The worse your hearing, the clearer it needs to be. In later life mum got hearing aids to try and help her hear better, but she didn't really need them. The operation reduced her hearing to a very narrow band of frequencies. She could hear between 3000 and 5000hz OK, but outside of that she struggled. So it was often harder for her to hear what I was saying than it was for one of my sisters who talk in a higher frequency range (and volume they all yell when they talk). But if I took mum out of the echoing kitchen into a bedroom where there is carpet, and spoke to her standing right in front of her, she could hear me perfectly without needing to raise my voice. Nothing changed except the clarity in which she could hear me.

[@ericgardner5548]

I've said this for years, everyone has different hearing and loss at different frequencies.

[@thomasmleahy6218]

Getting your ears tested won't affect what you can/cannot hear. Once your hearing deteriorates, there's no going back. Hearing protection should be aggressively enforced when people are young. It's impossible and impractical. Orchestra musicians are subject to very loud sounds, but they're not wearing hearing protection. Many members in groups with amplifiers use them, and many wear in ear monitors to be able to hear the whole band. Audience members should be wearing ear protection. Loud concerts sound better with ear plugs.

[@tpr299]

I bought a really nice power cable for $5,000. It has beautiful plugs on both ends. Looks like carbon fiber. Male, and female. When I get some more money saved up I’m going to buy an amp, and some speakers.

[@rabarebra]

Still enjoying your cable? 😂 I got the joke, though.

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

When you do, be sure to introduce them through a gate or window for a few hours first. let them get used to each other's presence before allowing them to make direct contact, otherwise your investments will be wasted.

[@ramencurry6672]

I have a nice Cardas headphone cable. It’s expensive but I got it used for around $90. It probably doesn’t improve the sound but I like the look of it

[@douglasacker4923]

Lmao!! Brilliant

[@davidcottrell1308]

LOL....🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chriseggroll]

i think double blind listening tests are the gold standard for this sort of thing, as knowing what's hooked up can influence how you feel about the sound. i'm sure cabling and the power source can make a difference, but for me at least there are just hard limits on the lengths i will go. tube connectors and good speaker cables seem reasonable, but i don't know about power cables. you would need a good power strip too

[@Jako1987]

Make two identical setups and identical rooms. Double blind test. Pick what room gets a good cable at random. Repeat few times.

[@lmoelleb]

Going through all the effort of a double blind test just to learn your brain works like every other human brain and you do in fact not have an audiophile super power... Why would you want to do THAT?

[@literalghost929]

​@@Jako1987 that would never work. Can't have both setups identical. It's much simpler to have 1 room and 1 system and just have one guy switch the power cable, and see if the listeners can tell A from B. Doesn't even have to be double blind.

[@literalghost929]

@@lmoelleb Yep... Sad thing about this video, makes you doubt every other video/claim! I mean sure, it's kinda fun to listen to, almost like you'd do for other supernatural stories; ghosts, living in a simulation, etc., but yeah... Kinda hurts the credibility. Really needs a BT or DBT to confirm, without it.... Ouch... Cred - 100

[@dannyrichie9743]

Anyone spouting off the words "double blind testing" doesn't know how A/B comparisons work or how they are conducted.

[@michaelkiteboarder3184]

Meanwhile back at the Bar or auditorium or tv station they use the very cheapest cables / cords they can get buy with to ORIGINATE / mix the sound.

[@TheEmmef]

Sorry, but if the bass response of your power amplifier changes because of a different power cable, you should have a serious conversation with the manufacturer of that power amplifier. A quality amplifier must have quality internal voltage circuitry that is independent of noise, RF reception and whatever the power line does. Period. If equipment sells as "high-end" but you can hear the neighbors washing machine switch on or a Russian opera station via the power supply, the equipment is not high-end. Somebody screwed up in the design. Audio equipment should not be designed to only operate correctly in a military-grade Faraday cage listening room with filtered power supply.

[@GRResearch]

Sorry, but current delivery is and can be effected by the power cables.

[@GRResearch]

@@MrsZambezi Of coarse it can. You have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe this will help: shunyata.com/2019/07/11/power-cord-measurements-revolutionary-dtcd-analysis/

[@TheEmmef]

@@GRResearch My oven is able to use 2900 Watts for as long as a recipe takes. The power cord that came with the oven can take that, does not become warm and probably costs about 10 or 15 bucks. Any power cord that can continuously handle a pretty energy-hungry household appliance that uses, say, the peak power of your amp divided by its efficiency, is good enough and does not have to be expensive. The power circuitry should take care of smoothing and buffering. If you hear the difference between two cables that meet the above criteria: that's a flaw in the amp concerning design, part quality or age (capacitors come to mind). If your amp comes with a cable that does not meet the above criteria: buy another brand amp. Apparently they don't take things seriously. Or use the cord of your oven ;-)

[@TheEmmef]

@@GRResearch Research does not always means science or relevant to the application.First they talk about a "representative equipment sample" but do not specify what "segment" of the market it should represent, for example the "audiophile" market segment. Second, the actual used equipment is not mentioned, so there is no way to verify if the sample is indeed representative. Third, they mention "a variety of product" inside the equipment sample, but there is no method mentioned how the result are aggregated to produce the graphics shown. The previous leads to an experiment that is unclear about its scope, its methods and about its sample-set (the equipment). This means the experiment cannot be reproduced and the results cannot be verified. The result is that the experiment cannot qualify as "scientific". However, even if the experiment was scientific, the maximum scope of the result is _the sample of equipment used._ As long as we don't know that sample, we cannot draw conclusions. And even if we would know the exact equipment, we have to make the assumption that the drop in voltage/current has a noticeable effect on the desired behaviour of the equipment, for example the accuracy of audio signal reproduction. _For the sake of argument_ I will assume that this deviation from desired behaviour is a fact, event though it is highly dependent on the circuitry used. Now let's assume that the article relates to the audiophile market segment. Because we have assumed that the measured behaviour has a noticeable effect on the desired behaviour of the equipment - in this case audio reproduction accuracy - audiophile equipment MUST have a good power supply. What is a good power supply? A good power supply perfectly separates the characteristics from your wall-socket and the characteristics that the internal circuitry of you audiovisual sees. Whatever power characteristics come in, as long as it is "enough", the internal circuitry should see an almost perfect voltage-source: a voltage-source delivers a constant voltage that is independent of the drawn current. In yet other words: disturbances that enter the power supply should be invisible at the other end. Naturally, there are theoretical limits. If the average amount of power that the power supply can get is smaller than the average power it must supply, things break. But the power supply should definitely hoard enough energy to cope with (short) bursts of current demand at a constant voltage. The used 50 microseconds in the experiment should be peanuts and should _definitely_ not be passed on to the power cord directly! Outcomes The first outcome from the experiment is that the used power supply of the graphics _is not a good power supply_ at all. It does not buffer enough energy to support bursts and quickly becomes largely dependent on the input power. This will make the circuitry that it feeds see disturbances like power limitations, zero-crossings (wall-sockets are AC and when voltage difference is zero you cannot draw current) and potentially for other fluctuations that are caused by other equipment on the line or the power company. Not good. The second outcome is that this equipment should never qualify as audiophile, unless it is pampered with laboratory-grade power cords and sanitized power (which does not remove some of the mentioned problems). A consumer should not have to depend on that! And if the power supply is that bad, that doesn't bode well for other design decisions made in the equipment. The third outcome is that the manufacturer of the equipment gave a bad power cord. The reason is that if the cable makes a difference, it is very under-dimensioned, possibly leading to even more degradation caused by getting warm or even causing a fire hazard. It can also be that this experiment used the same "representable" cable for all measurements, but there is no way to know. By the way, if your amplifier needs a power cable that can deliver more power than your wall-socket is rated at, you can also get in trouble with fast fuses. Your equipment _should not_ depend on that. See the story about power supplies. A cable that can supply an oven or washing machine without a noticeable increase in temperature, is generally fine. Conclusion If you do not know the quality of your equipment, you can borrow a cable from a heavy household appliance like an oven or a washing machine to see if it helps. If it helps, you should not consider your audio equipment as "audiophile" as its power supply can't make that happen. Because certain problems that are inherent to your power supply cannot be fixed with a cable unless you pamper your equipment with laboratory-grade power cleaning and cords, but you shouldn't have depend on that as a consumer. Naturally, you can then use an expensive cable if that makes you happy. Good audiophile equipment comes with a good power supply and a good enough cable. If swapping the cable for a better one helps, consider asking your money back for both the cable _and_ the equipment.

[@darrengillesdarrengilles8336]

@@GRResearch The copper distribution wire going from your electrical panel to the outlet you plug your stereo into is 14/2 CU where I am from and as well in the US, typically protected with a 15Amp breaker. The attachment you provide shows a voltage and amperage drop in the OEM supplied power cord which is entirely possible, however it also means that I can replace the OEM supplied power cord with 14or12/or10/2 CU Romex and install my own adapter ends solving both problems the OEM cord created and use that to power my components for a cost of about $10 Home Depot prices. You can convince me I need the better cord you will have a much harder time getting me to spend $500 on CU wire at 1.5M in length. You can run 14K gold wire from the outlet to the stereo unit it wont sound any better than the wire does that is supplying the plug you tap into. We are not talking about line filters here just simple wiring. I was in electrical distribution for thirty years and that much I know for certain.

[@chrisg6597]

Why have I never seen any of these cables in Recording Studios? Surely the same argument must apply.

[@ferociousmullet9287]

Because it's nothing but bullshit. Worked in and around studios for 30 years. Abbey Road, Air etc. Places with 200k and up of custom speakers and the same on amplifiers in room designed by the best in business costing literal millions of dollars to create. ALL wired with the same Van Damme mutlicore and all connected with the power cables that came in the boxes of the kit. Studios can have 10's of miles of cables in them. No one pays ANY attention to this nonsense outside of audiofail worlds. Also why does he not measure these cables? He measures speakers to show the issues. Why not cables as well? Simple answer, measuring would show how full of shit he is on this topic. This is nothing more than a man selling snake oil products to gullible idiots. KZbin is full of them.

[@chrisg6597]

@@ferociousmullet9287 Exactly.... Far better explained than I could have done.

[@Wizardofgosz]

@@ferociousmullet9287 Yup. I'm a studio guy too. Stock IECs are fine. We generally wire everything with Belden or Mogami. Neutrik connectors. It's all you need. The rest is bullshit for crazy people.

[@richardelliott8352]

@@ferociousmullet9287 gullible idiots is strong language , but, in support I offer the many corvette owners who are now running around with the factory air filter on backwards because of an internet suggestion , offered without any proof of benefit. People surrounded by electrical devices would be well served to learn a few basic laws of electronics, especially if they have any interest in audio playback. That alone would cut down on a lot of the snake oil people peddle.

[@niilaheikki]

If only we could turn the AC into DC, regulate and filter it and store it in a bank of capacitors, we wouldn’t have to pay $$$ for power cables.. Oh wait

[@dannyrichie9743]

We do it with batteries. Most of our system is off the grid.

[@AllboroLCD]

I suppose to be thorough when touring the gear at shows would be to measure the noise on the actual outlet being used, based on your theory you should be able to best choose your wire that way.

[@Fleskepresk]

A few hours into this series, and there is still not a shred of scientific evicence that support the idea that high end cables makes an audible difference. Meanwhile at the "other camp" some of the best measuring equippment is being used to very clearly disprove that these cables have any chance of making an audible impact. Anything that is possible to measure tells us that it doesnt matter. You are also suddenly doubling down on your opinion that blind listening tests are somehow not valid or necessary, which kind of tells us that you tried it and could not discern a difference.

[@young_padawan]

I completely agree! Poor Amir is busy dispelling the myths propagated by name calling closet flat earthers. Also did you notice how his earlier videos talked about objective measurements but when that got disproved he suddenly switched to talking about "audible differences" Classic bait-and-switch.

[@hwgeek86]

I am new in this, but I think the best proof could be if he makes the worst conditions in a test room full of RF interference and such and test simple cable vs premium cable and show all that the simple cable act as Antenna and the premium cables act as Filter when he raise the volume knob to 100% while no music is playing, so we can hear if there is a noise with cheap cables and silence with premium cable.

[@MrDannydjmix2]

what science ur talking about? were talking about audio systems, listen for yourself and find out, but first get a good system and set it up properly, then get familiar to it then try, the proof is in the listening

[@Scottlp2]

@@MrDannydjmix2 against their religion.

[@dannyrichie9743]

They are not proving anything. They are taking measurements and then theorizing if there will or will not be ab audible difference. That's not scientific evidence. That's just a belief. And we do blind listening comparisons over here all the time. That's how we confirm results. We listen.

[@TestarossaMusicista]

"Not a lot of money" "Couple hundred bucks" Literally a piece of wire.

[@RudieVissenberg]

I would rephrase that as not expensive. For me expensive is when it is not worth the money. A lot of money does not have to be expensive, it is about perception. A good cable of a few hundred dollars that outperforms a cable that costs much more, is in my view not expensive. So I agree with Danny from this point of view because he does make the comparison.

[@jimross2101]

Let's talk next about little wooden trestles to get the speaker cables off the floor to combat floor decoupling wavelength phase band-pass electrostatic geo interference.

[@drdelewded]

haha

[@poserwanabe]

Noooo, they're used to keep the vacuum cleaner from tearing up the cable... everybody knows that.

[@bunk-bn9eo]

Audiophiles will bite on just about anything if you tell them it will improve the sound.

[@BoomerUKEngland]

Carpets contain static from people walking on them. If the cable is located directly on the carpet then static can enter the cable and effect sound. Raising the cable from the floor helps prevent this.

[@engjds]

LOL, which idiot told you that nonsense?

[@Finn-McCool]

Alternating current can be "dirty" due to modern electronic devices, vacuum cleaners, microwaves, chargers, florescent lights, dimmers etc etc. The only real thing that any decent power cord might need is a thicker gauge. You see this is why it's always "some guy from Canada with some forgettable product" that gets mentioned along with the anecdotal bedtime stories. Because there are no disinterested parties in the audio industry. The amount of backdoor excuses baked into the cable claims are there for a reason. "Like the fact that there's no ONE SIZE FITS ALL". Because if it was measurable and substantial it could be patented!!! Otherwise you will just have to trust the fact that it opens up the whatchamacallit and deepens the doohickey and smells so much better than lesser power cables. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But they will just make you think that you simply cannot hear it. What a shame to be you. If only you had good ears and a fat wallet, then all of your sonic dreams could come true.

[@jonblakeman6636]

So if evidence is to be believed the earth is not flat. Yet here we have someone telling us people are flat earthers because they want some evidence! Strange hypocrisy going on.

[@mikeazeka1753]

My day job includes recording relatively quiet high frequency bat echolocation calls in the 20 kHz to 70 kHz range, at wind turbines operating in low to moderate breezes (under 12 mph winds). I had an electronics engineer design a steep RLC filter for the 12 volt DC fully regulated supply powering the detectors. He is very familiar with the recording device, the power supply, and the experimental setup, and he tested it in the lab and said it provided excellent filtering and should reduce electronic noise in the detector, so I should get good recordings. I placed 6 units in 6 wind turbines and operated them for 2 nights. There was so much noise the recordings were unusable. We discussed this a length and he swore it was impossible for so much noise to enter the detector through the power supply and filter. After lots of additional R&D I determined noise was entering the recording device through the 12 V DC cable shield, so I instead switched to simple 2 conductor cable, added 2 ferrites to the 12 DC supply and it reduced the noise level enough to get usable data. The difference was 100% unusable versus usable recordings. My second comment is that the sound improvement from good speaker cables and powerline filtering is not in the loud parts of the music. It is in the quiet parts, the room reverberations, the subtle sounds around the instruments and music. Probably less than 0.3 volt audio signals at the speakers. So distortion compared to full output is not what we're talking about, rather it is noise compared to 0.2% of full output. That's the kind of sound I record with bat echolocation calls, very quiet sounds occurring in higher noise fields. The takeaway is unless you really analyze all noise pathways and reduce the less obvious ones in the setup in question, you may not get the good results you desire. So my suggetion is to try good speaker cables and good power cords in a high resolution system, before dismissing it out of hand because there are likely other pathways for noise to get into the music's quieter passages.

[@mfr58]

@@mikeazeka1753 Great comment. Gives an insight into some of the subtleties that are glossed over by the dyed in the wool engineer mind set.....namely Danny's flat earthers...

[@thomasni123]

@@mfr58 Amazing how you ignored the measured, rational response that backs up its argument with real numbers.

[@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549]

@@jonblakeman6636 Earth is a level plane of unknown size Antarctica is an unknown quantity

[@tjwreds1]

Can you show us the difference in measurements? I understand that if you played us the audio we're listening on whatever speakers we have, but we would be able to at least note a difference in quality even though it's not a true representation of the sound. Without data or empirical evidence, everything you say is ultimately, untested and unscientific. Stories do not get the job done for me. I enjoy when you show before and after graphs for speaker reviews and what you did to fix them. Can nothing be done to show the difference between power cable A and B in a given setup?

[@dannyrichie9743]

Hang on.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

The difference is real, it just takes an unbiased mind to have a listen. If you have already made up your mind that it won't work it will be hard for you to do a critical listening session to evaluate. You'll be saying it didn't do anything before you have even turned on the equipment. I was once skeptical that it would make a difference, how could it, it is only a power cable. But I did try it (other brands), and it did a lot of what Danny said it does.

[@Wizardofgosz]

@@bbfoto7248 He's done the tests, and even his MOM could hear the difference! NOT.

[@Wizardofgosz]

@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Literally everything you said is backwards. The confirmation bias is you believing the cables make a difference, and then you magically hear it. But it's your brain lying to you.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

@@Wizardofgosz if that was the case then my brain should have also lied to me about all the interconnects I have bought over the years. I can honestly say that I have not heard a "detectable" difference in any of them, and most have been expensive. To say I have would be wishful thinking, but power cables are a different story. There were noticeable differences from the stock power cables.

[@callmevil]

What an EXCELLENT video. Thank you

[@itzhakazoulay1271]

I learnt so much here. Thanks 👍

[@jeffkalina7727]

Which chart do you use to measure electrical noise levels?

[@JClay-lf7nx]

DSM V under auditory hallucinations and delusions of grandeur...

[@j.t.cooper2963]

He counts on his uncanny Spock ears for power cables.

[@realitykicksin8755]

As an Engineer I make a statement her: There is no difference between a normal functioning powercable and a “high-end” powercable … other than the amount of money that goes into the suppliers pocket.

[@dannyrichie9743]

You might want to revisit the school that issued you that degree and ask for a refund. Differences in the sound of power cables are supper easy to here.

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

@@dannyrichie9743 What school did you go to and what qualifications do you have? Can you reference measured data? Scientific, peer-validated studies? because the audio and electronics industries at large seem to be churning out a lot of misinformed people if you're correct.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@doctorfuzzzdirtbox Knowledge and experience is not quantified by walifications.

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

@dannyrichie9743 True. Especially as "walifications" is not even a word. But knowledge and even experience can be quantified by repeated measurements. So do you have any?

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@doctorfuzzzdirtbox It can also be quantified by repeated results.

[@michaels5166]

So what might you recommend for a hybrid system, used for DJing, and music recordings? I'm in a town house and in place alone, I have IT gear, DJ gear, studio gear, and of course my TV/soundbar. I do have an APC UPS system and I run most things from a 4 way junction box. My AC has it's own outlet and I do not run it while I am recording. I also have live instruments in the room, and my recording gear amps are AB power amps/ recievers. We do have occasional brownouts as well.I am doing a complete renovation in here so I want some suggestions.

[@workaholic7600]

This vedio really broke it down and helped my understanding emencely. Thank you!

[@Lauren080508]

oh boy, Amirm keeps getting busier and busier.....

[@dannyrichie9743]

Poor guy.

[@NickP333]

@@dannyrichie9743 Slanderous guy too. I’m not a fan of his snooty attitude either, while basically saying you don’t know what you’re talking about, Danny, which is obviously not true. He also seems to be one of those measurements only guys, not an actual listening to the music guy. Of course, measurements are very important, but listening and how something sounds and performs is the true test.

[@NickP333]

@@r423sdex Hey, Dave. I have absolutely no problem having opposing ideas. There’s nothing wrong with a difference of opinion. You’re saying that Amir shows the truth, and Danny shows nothing, then asking who is worse. Amir’s tactics seem purely slanderous towards Danny. He’s making videos with the intention of damaging Danny’s reputation, and he does it with a pompous attitude.That’s what I don’t like about Amir. And btw, The car going the speed of light or whatever isn’t a good comparison at all, and I’ve heard you use it multiple times. It just sounds silly. Let me ask you a serious question, and please answer it honestly. Do you just watch these vids and base your opinions on other people’s opinions, or have you actually tried different cables in your system? What about capacitors, resistors, tubes, etc.? Because I’ve heard it very clearly, I know for an absolute fact that different cables going from a turntable to a phono preamp can produce very different results based especially on capacitance, but that’s not the only factor. So, why would a cable going from your amp to your speakers not have different characteristics? They may be subtle differences, but it all adds up from your source to your speakers and it’s about fine tuning your system. I’m really not trying to be a dick either, Dave. Herb Reikert has a quote that I like that goes something like, we have the ability to hear what we can measure, but we can’t always measure everything we hear.

[@NickP333]

@@andydelle4509 Hi there Andy. I’m not saying Amir isn’t doing a service and doing it well. I watch his vids and agree with actually most of what he says, but he doesn’t seem to really truly listen. What I don’t like is his snarky nose in the air attitude, and this combative nature between KZbinrs talking badly about one another is not just healthy competition in some cases. Believe me, I very much respect you as an EE. In fact, I am now 45, but have a huge passion for electronics and was going to go to school for it, but my mother unfortunately got sick, and I had to change things around in my life. FWIW, when it comes to speaker cables, I use regular Canare 4S11 from Bluejeans cables. They’re well built, measure well, and sound good. For pwr cables, I just use good ol’ Belden, but was given a couple Pangea cables too. Ive also heard $1,000 cables which sounded awful. The difference between my pwr cables is negligible. Any difference I’ve heard in both my types of cables could well have been due to temperature or humidity effecting sound waves, etc. Whatever it was, it was so slight that I can’t justify or be bothered with expensive cables. Btw, my system is not crap at all, and it is plenty revealing. And yes, power quality is important, but a HiFi system obviously isn’t as important as what those UPS systems are providing power for. In the end, my real passion in life is music, and I was fortunate enough to have toured the world numerous times for playing my guitar, but that can burn you out after years of it, so now the world of HiFi is and has been my hobby. I appreciate good music, and I enjoy reproducing it as well as I can. Have a good week, Andy. Thanks for your comment. I enjoy conversations, not arguments. ✌️🎶🌝🔊👍

[@GRResearch]

@@r423sdex You really have a LOT to learn. And those Revel's are a dull and lifeless sounding speaker. If that is your reference then you may not notice much if any change of anything.

[@chem_e_markmark6374]

I’m done with this channel for a while. He’s jumped the shark.

[@rothgartheviking858]

Well Danny clearly belives what he is saying. Why don't you go listlen to his system and take him up on his offer. Bring your cables and listen for the difference.

[@iowaudioreviews]

@@rothgartheviking858 Becauae I can't take his specific system home. I've tryed a bunch of these different cables over the years and have never noticed any improvement in my system. Just use adequate cables and everything is fine.

[@rothgartheviking858]

@@iowaudioreviews That makes no sense go listen to his system and listen as he changes out cables. You may have proven it does nothing for your system. Go listen to a setup that is claiming it makes big difference and listen for the changes. Otherwise you just blowing smoke and calling Danny a liar.

[@rustyshackleford6978]

Too bad. I’m sure he’ll be missing the subscription from someone called “low audio review.” ✌️

[@rothgartheviking858]

@@rustyshackleford6978 I am sure you don't have the balls to go listen to his system. And take him up on his offer. Until i see one of naysayers take him up on his offer your just a bunch of trolls discrediting a respected individual.

[@joeadair3906]

Got my new power cord from y’all two days ago… could tell a difference right away, but seems to have dropped off some since.. I’ve got about 8 days to go before I start really testing it and comparing to old cord etc. Very cool though and really have high hopes that I’ll love it. !! Thanks so much .. JOE

[@qddk9545]

Your mind got cleared 🙂 No, the TRUTH is that they get worn out, by burning in.

[@SSStroger]

should I modify my old devices with attached cords to take modular power cord?

[@rogersharpe2490]

Snake oil .A well shielded diy power cable is quite adequate.

[@dannyrichie9743]

You really don't know how any of this works do you? The noise is already on the line before it reaches your power cable.

[@franciscoortiz6980]

The thing to remember is the diminishing rate of return. MOST people will reap the most NOTICEABLE benefit with a good Filter/Protection strip and "shielded hospital grade" power cords. That means you do not need a $1000 "audiophile" power conditioner, you will be just fine with a $100 Furman or Triplite. As far as the AC cable, you would have to be in a VERY electrically noisy room (like a trade show or computer room) to really need it, but if you need it A shielded Hospital grade power cable (that has a grounded outer shield is all you need). So again... a $10 hospital grade AC cable will sound the same as some snake skin $200 AC cable.

[@literalghost929]

What does 'hospital grade' change over a regular power cable? Maybe it's a lesser evil than full blown snakeoil cables, but they certainly won't sound any different than any $2 computer power cable...

[@franciscoortiz6980]

@@literalghost929 hospital grade is a thicker conductor and an EXTRA shield that is intended to reduce emi rfi signals that may be flowing in electricity. They use them to make sure those signals do NOT interfere with medical machines and meters.

[@literalghost929]

@@franciscoortiz6980 That won't change anything. Check out Audio Science Review "GR Research B24 AC Cable Review: Does it Make an Audible Difference?", he compares a cheapo cable and there's absolutely no difference... And it's perfectly logical, the electricity from the outlet/cable passes through a power supply: Transformer, caps, diodes, etc., there's no way any 'signal'/noise goes through the PS. Btw, HP grade cords typically aren't shielded.

[@franciscoortiz6980]

@@literalghost929 dude... i am not going to argue with you. You clearly are the "free cables that come in the box are great" opinion. I am NOT a $500 cable guy... i am somewhere in the middle... the way cheaper middle.

[@literalghost929]

​@@franciscoortiz6980 There's no middle... Either you get the answer right or you don't. It's like saying, look, I'm not going to buy 500$ worth of healing crystals, but I'm just going to buy these magic healing crystals that cost 15$, so I'm not with those who believe in magic, I'm in the middle. And just watch the vid... It's not an 'opinion' at this point; it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. With equipment far more precise than human ears!

[@Drat_67]

solid wire is always best for ac stuff, just wondering about stereo / audio , i think stranded is used for flexibility .. Just a thought , wondering if you have tried solid to stranded. I know it's not that flexible but for ac is best...most house wiring is 14awg to all wall plugs so would it be better to wire amp/ receiver with 10 awg solid copper wire ??? just wondering if you tried that against the 12ga stranded cables,,,

[@anderslundstrom4388]

Amazing, only one thing you said i remember is opposite to experience of my couple cables i tested, i noticed just as much difference on subwoofer that i did on receiver or computer as source of SPDIF. actually isotek optimum cable and filters made most clean sound difference on the receiver, while Audiouest NRG-10 made the most difference on 12" Velodyne sub in clean base and better red colors on computer monitor. i also noticed more difference between the higher range cables than i did between the cheaper audioquest cables.

[@dannyrichie9743]

You are correct. It can also make a lot of difference with subwoofers, but in those ranges it is more about current delivery than the other things I was discussing in the video. Thanks for sharing that though.

[@willbrink]

You have always done a good job of supplying before/after testing of mods made to speakers. Where are the measurements for the mega hose cable vs the power cable supplied by the manufacturer? That would seem the obvious step to me considering prior approaches with speakers and upgrades.

[@mikeleventhal2093]

Where are you measurements when you prefer the sound of one speaker over another; no difference. The ears are the ultimate Judge.

[@willbrink]

@@mikeleventhal2093 Are you new to this channel? He takes speakers and measures them, tweaks them with improved components, makes adjustments, then measures them again to show they objectively measure better. Two, the ears are not the judges subjectively, your brain is, the ears just a path to the brain, and the brain highly subjective to bias. No one can tell the difference between power cords if using a correctly done blind testing protocol. They can tell the difference between speakers however, and interestingly, often prefer the less $ speaker when they can't see them. As this channel shows many times, some far less expensive speakers objectively test better than the high cost stuff. So again, I'd like to see some actual objective measurements from that power cord vs run of the mil and or legit blind testing, but I also know what the results will be...

[@mikeleventhal2093]

@@willbrink Baloney, just your opinion and you are entitled to it. No one mentioned cost. My speakers are diy transmission lines, just tried a pair of JBL studio 580 and they were returned. Nothing but conjusted bass. For your info I build my first HiFi( mono) in 1957, so I've been around the block for many years with countless systems. And yes I now have some high frequency loss but can still hear up to 14k. The power cables I purchased were like 35. each and I started with the CD player( tube), next the preamp also tube, then the Stratos pw amp. The shielded cables made a huge difference with the CD and preamplifier; and almost none with the pw amp. End of story. Instead of being in denial, simply try for yourself; you just might be pleasently surprised.

[@willbrink]

@@mikeleventhal2093 I rest my case. Again, does sound like you follow this channel and how he goes about testing speakers. You are more focused on feelz and subjective bias then science and facts. If you think a power cord can sound different from another, by all means, get one and enjoy it. As the man said "there's a sucker born every minute"

[@mikeleventhal2093]

@@willbrinklike I said Baloney to your narrow minded thoughts. Be Gone

[@stephenyoud6125]

As a polymer technologist who did his PhD on Polyethylene, I'm interested to know what kind of changes can occur with Polyethylene at room temperature in a so called burn in phase that would affect its electrical insulation properties. Polyethylene is a semi crystalline polymer and crystallises as it cools from the molten state at between 120 - 135 deg C depending on its polymer structure. the amorphous phase between the crystallites is above its glass transition point and is in the rubbery state and will experience some relaxation of the built in stresses within the material caused by its rapid cooling from the melt state 9during the wire coating extrusion process. but whether a bit of molecular relaxation in a non polar polymer insulator would or could affect sound, remains to be seen, or heard... as a LINN Owner, arent we used to being flat earthers?

[@johndavidson6433]

You got understand something here Stephen, its not about science here... its about belief!

[@stephenyoud6125]

@@johndavidson6433 Science doesn't care what you believe, and Religion doesn't care what you can prove with Science ! although i normally reserve that for discussions on regular religion, not hifi !

[@johndavidson6433]

@@stephenyoud6125 sorry, I was being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious. Unfortunately, for many people this is a religion.

[@stephenyoud6125]

@@johndavidson6433 no worries, i get you, But as I was curious I have sincebought some double Reussen shielded Power cable from Gotham Cables here in Switzerland, two four socket Aluminium cased power socket outlets from SUPRA cables in Sweden and 8 pairs of Rhodium plated German Schuko-style male plugs and IEC female plugs, so lets see what effect that has, at least it'll be sielded from EMI and reduce or avoid interfering with my sinal cables, which I will soone be exchanging foir Balanced when i get my Linn Klimax Exakt DSM and Exaktbox

[@booaaaa]

@@stephenyoud6125 so how was it? Any difference?

[@dennismiller5725]

My Levinson 333 is old, but Madrigal at the time decided that Mark Levinson amps would come with their cable that is attached to the amp, obviously, they understood!

[@richardelliott8352]

if it sells product , it is a good feature, . Car used to have decorative fins , because they sold cars, not because they were needed. the example cited means little outside of the fact that a different wire, of higher status ,was used than the power wire that they usually supplied. One doesn't invent new customers, you work with what is out there. If white colors creates sales, you sell white colors. If consumers want magical wires, throw one into the deal , you don't wish for better informed customers.. I guess the question is now, do the owners of mark Levinson still use madrigal wire to the wall, or have they another answer . P.S. I just went over to the mark levinson site, checked a preamp user's manual, today they ship with removable IEC cords with a plug configuration for the appropriate market. At ML's price points, few consumers would kick about the added expense of a fancy wire, if needed. as evidenced by the wire on the old amp.

[@RobWhittlestone]

Danny, can you do Schuko mains plugs on an 3ft cable with IEC? Best regards, Rob in Switzerland

[@alexsaptetrei]

I am an electrical engineer. I did extensive testing on power cables from alu to copper to silver using state of the art equipment. And I could not find any difference in measurements. Now the equipment is much, much more sensitive than the human ear. My conclusion is: if the equipment cannot measure any difference, nor the ear. In my opinion a regular $10 cable sounds the same as $1000 cable. It matter the state of your mind when you listen to music.

[@arize84]

I don't need scientific measurements to tell me anything, the only measuring tool I need in audio are my ears. My ears tell me that free generic power cord that comes with your amp should be the first thing to into the trash after you unbox.

[@titntin5178]

@@arize84 absolutely. I too am an Electrical Engineer and also a trained recording studio engineer and long time audoholic. What many people forget is that science is absolutely NOT truth, its simply our best understanding of what is observable. There is a tendency for people to dismiss observation and instead quote science to tell you what you can or cannot observe, as if science were truth, lol. There are a whole bunch of fools who will tell you that all correctly designed amplifiers operating in their design limits will sound the same. Its clearly not true, but it also clearly demonstrates that some of the things we hear when we analyse music play back are not currently measurable, and we don't understand the mechanic which gives rise to the difference. As long as the observation meets the scientific method (repeatable blind tests) then its an observable fact regardless of if we can measure a difference or not. Our 'electrical engineer ' clearly belongs in the group that would be stating that bumble bees cannot fly despite the fact he's getting buzzed by one xD When thigs cannot be measured, or we don't understand the mechanic, there is a lot of room for the snake oil salesman though, and the audio industry has more than its fair share of issues with these, so extreme caution is to be advised. The only reason to replace a cable is if you can hear a difference you like when you do. I'm a big fan of cleaning up the mains signals I plug my hi fi into, and as I've spent some time with this, I've found the cable itself not to make much of a difference with my unit and my filtered and corrected mains, but everyone's situation is different.

[@lajosvarga6431]

We should take into consideration the wires in the house and in the streets, too. I mean, what difference could it possibly make, if you change only 2 meters of the total length of kilometers all the way down to the nearest transformer or powerplant? The wires of the main grid of a normal house is built based on general purposes in mind, not audiophile concepts. You might have a noisy, far from perfect sinus waveform of the mains, but can the 2 meter long power cable eliminate this noise? Should the power supply circuit of an amplifier/deck/etc. get rid of these inperfections and provide a stable DC voltage for the audio circuitry? Does the lack of noise make a wide soundstage? Does the effect of the power cable will enrich the signal with something that is not present in the original source (e.g. more treble)? And what about the less than perfect cables and other conductive materials inside the amplifier/deck/tuner/etc.? So, there is a long and complex system of wires from the powerplant to all the way to the loudspeakers. What difference could it make if you change 2 meters out of 1 km? And if it works with 2 meters, can we do it by only 5 cm long professional power cable, too? It would be cheap enough.

[@ericgardner5548]

Bingo, it's all placebo effect and psychological.

[@ericgardner5548]

@@arize84 LOl, yall love the snake oil. Enjoy the placebo effect.

[@dillonsaudio]

Great information about how power conditioning can affect an audio system. It's definitely necessary. I have 2 test cases: 1) What if the amplifier/CD player etc. has an inbuilt power cable? Meaning it's soldered onto the board and goes directly to the power transformer? 2) What if you buy some audio gear and it comes with a removable power cable? is it junk? do you throw it away?! Might this also be necessary for other electronics? Let us assume you have a power conditioner. It's going to protect all of your audio gear and feed it clean power. IMO, hospital-grade power cables are where it's at. They are made to NEMA 5 - 15P specifications; which would also ensure ideal performance with sensitive medical equipment. If we have high-end audio gear that may be sensitive to drops or peaks in power, these cables should work fine. That's been my experience...

[@ericgardner5548]

No, it's snake oil.

[@dillonsaudio]

@@ericgardner5548 i have to disagree. As a matter fact, audio amplifiers with soldered (hardwired) power cables won't benefit from a new power cable. But any other component that uses an external power supply will.

[@eriklowney]

NEMA 5-15P is a (P)lug end that goes into a 5-15Recepticle at 15 Amps peak power. Has nothing to do with anything else.

[@djfirestormx]

a voltage stabilizer is the only thing about this that is not snake oil. this is the most ridiculous debate ever. unless you condition or PHYSICALLY ALTER THE POWER nothing changes, assuming the wires are equal to or greater conductance than the outlet itself, or unless you are replacing a bad cable oxidized or damaged (internally) with a good one. i have blind tested people with pin drop hearing and you can really mess with them and make them think the standard copper cable is the upgraded one. simply its a placebo and i am SHOCKED that this video was made by a man i thought was smarter than this. but then again he does use the same exact capacitor series when he upgrades everyone speaker, so there is bias involved too. i have done so so much extensive testing on different capacitors with different tweeters and you just can not use the same cap on every tweeter made to get the best result. hes nice to listen to and has lots of great input, but in the end he has convinced himself that one size fits all, and now he joined the cable placebo. again, this is not talking about using crap cables and upgrading them to ones that match the output and length, this is just silly silly placebo effect. its simple: its a good wire or its not, the end. anything past that is about the equipment itself and yes voltage stabilization so the circuits do not dip up and down in power in/out

[@dillonsaudio]

@DJ FireStorm ever heard of a power transformer inside of an audio amplifier? It takes care of voltage. A power conditioner simply filters electricity that is compromised by noise. Power cables can make a difference - specifically, with Class A amplifiers that are inefficient by design and require power on demand to perform well. Just use 2 awg thicker than the standard cord, and you should be fine. I am not suggesting power cables that cost many hundreds or thousands of dollars.

[@markvincentcocjin]

But what if you add a socket adapter for either the US or UK plug? In case your country have a different type of socket. Would that have any effect on the performance of the cable?

[@geraldmosley2195]

Could you suggest a speaker cable that would open up my electrostatic speakers and help with imaging and bass.love your channel.

[@danryan4272]

Am I the only one who sees the irony of a science sceptic calling science and engineering principled people 'flat Earth guys?' Dude, Danny, you're the flat-Earther!

[@dannyrichie9743]

No, you missed the point. The guys claiming that they are using science and engineering principles are using them to form a theory. That's not science. To answer a question about audibility requires listening to get the answer.

[@danryan4272]

@@dannyrichie9743 using science and engineering principles to form a theory being compared to flat earth theory is unironic. Got it.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@danryan4272 Yep, that's all it is. And the irony is intentional.

[@iBeaver1973]

i built a cable using some lower priced connectors and supra cable (LORAD 3X2.5 BLUE B50) and plugged it in to my marantz 8012. I have a full atmos setup.... what I noticed asap was the noise floor dropped by a ton... honestly the noise floor getting quieter, let the audio play 'more' -> i could add adjectives but sharing what happened effectively without explaining how I heard more from the music is the best way to say there is a difference. your cables in a system can act as antennas as Dany said, and that supra cable I built is cheap proof of that. Probably those oscilator people could come over to my place and make some measurements :-)

[@garethonthetube]

I put an audiophile power cable on my 1975 Amstrad amplifier. Still sounds like s***. I want my money back.

[@b.morris2816]

My Marantz doesn’t have the ground pin. Do you offer a plug just a L and N connection?

[@mr_mark_perkins]

Tried and tested before seeing this post. It's a great improvement 👍

[@jlg23us]

Have u scoped it on a spectrum analyzer, and network analyzer? Curious to know line noise and mains/inverter impedance in each case. Maybe attribute to maximum power transfer from mains to amp, and cleanliness.

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

I am oriented to science and facts. I thought there is no way a short power cable can make a difference. I also read many articles expounding the virtues of power conditioners. I experimented with DIY power conditioners and found exactly what Danny describes. A little can help, and too much can kill the system. Isolation transformers slightly reduced sound quality. Inductors, even a small amount could kill the sound stage and make the sound dull and lifeless. Power cables are where I was shocked. I found a substantial difference in sound. I make my own, and they are a solid improvement in bass, sound stage etc. I used some DIY recipes from VH Audio cables with 10gauge wire. Sounds terrific. I put minor amounts of filtering in the distribution box using caps and also built a DC block circuit to avoid transformers from buzzing and saturating. This was all I need. There is only a couple feet between the conditioner/distribution box and the electronics. I also built an 8 foot cord to go from the wall to the distribution box. I also put a ferret clamp on the safety ground at each consumer. An inductor or a ferret clamp is not good on the power wires. I cannot explain any of this other than the notion of an appropriate amount of filtering. It could also be that the caps act as a volt/var circuit. I live in a large city and there is a ton of noise in local distribution including RF over power. My house is full of LED lights, dimmers and switch mode power supplies. There are several computers plugged in and powered at any time. Every house on the street has the same. We all have a plethora of radio antennas for wifi, cellular, garage doors and home automation. Somehow these power tweaks that cost me nothing helps my system work well.

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

What are the factual scientific differences between what the cable does and what a conditioner does? (With reference links, please.)

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

@@doctorfuzzzdirtbox With all due respect, feel free to do your own research. I have reported my circumstances and subjective opinion. Do with it what you wish. IMHO, there has been very little scientific study of the subject so there will be very little to be found. No one needs these things. An amp or a DAC will function safely if fed power by any UL approved power cord. But as I report, I and many others have been surprised that different power cords do in fact make a substantial difference in the sound in well resolved systems where low level detail is appreciated.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

@@user-od9iz9cv1w most of the people commenting on here are just parroting what others have said without even trying a different power cord. They keep making the same stupid comment that is the resistance is the same then it must sound the same. Well half of them are probably relying on someone else's measurements to make this statement, or don't have high enough quality testing gear to see a difference. Because if your equipment is sensitive enough no two cables should ever be the same. Using that same theory if an open baffle speaker and a boxed speaker measured exactly the same the should sound identical. Yet they sound nothing alike. Why is that? Because half the time people are measuring the wrong thing. How does resistance of a wire tell you how well that cable is insulated if you have it near some noisy equipment?

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

@user-od9iz9cv1w With due respect, I've done my own research extensively. I now want to know what I've missed, if you'd be kind enough to share.

[@doctorfuzzzdirtbox]

@DodgyBrothersEngineering As an audio engineer of 20+ years, I just want to know how I can find these results for myself because a speaker, with varying design cannot measure the same in all metrics. So neither can a power cable. As an engineer, I don't believe in my own ears. Psychoacoustic fundamentals can prove that our brains can very easily lie to us. Especially when cognitive bias is involved. So we need hard data to see through the mist.

[@stuartl4850]

Though filtering is significant, a more significant factor is the basic electrical RLC parameters in my view. The component receives a voltage which is well understood, however the power supply current draws are spikey transients. The current draw profile will differ depending on the component, leading to a non-consistent result between devicess.

[@Gnofg]

Try Oneac line conditioner.

[@stuartl4850]

@@Gnofg Pleâse explain

[@rolandlickert2904]

I use a Furutech pure transmission AG Power Line Receptacle Filter do you think I still have to upgrade to a better power cord? Use the Filter or go directly to the wall electric socket? Yes, I use an integrated Power D amp and you mention it would be better to use a better power cord direct to the Wall socket? What about a CD player? Does the power filter help or not and is it necessary to upgrade to a new power cord? Would appreciate your comment

[@jameswarren1831]

Danny, You should run the cables through ETL or UL to keep yourself and customers out of trouble with non-paying insurance and potential lawsuits.

[@scottmichaels1764]

Heads up! There are thousands of electrical products on the market without third party testing approval.

[@jameswarren1831]

@@scottmichaels1764 Absolutely, and many that generate noise in your home electrical system.

[@newsboyaudio]

@@jameswarren1831 more worried about fire. Or other problems.

[@nightmarecivic]

If you believe a 4ft power cable coming from many miles of power wire to your home. Is going to change a thing. You deserve to have your money taken.

[@dannyrichie9743]

If you think it won't then you deserve to listen to music just as have it now.

[@dfpurton]

@@dannyrichie9743 You deserve all the hate coming your way...I hope you go our of business

[@peterlynn3190]

Thanks for sharing stories of gained knowledge and having it thrown into the air to learn something else.

[@xprcloud]

There is nothing to learn from this dishonest charlatan, a cable is not a filter no difference between decent cables

[@peterlynn3190]

His sincerely shines through. Does yours 7189a ?

[@lunatrics]

I just like to see these opinions with science facts. When ears can "hear" a difference surely a good mic can measure a visable graph.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Yes.

[@dannyrichie9743]

Microphones don't easily pick up the changes that the cables bring to the table. Chris explained it pretty well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5K2oZZtfLSdrqM

[@carpo719]

@@bren1886 I call BS. We have devices that can sense the slightest Nuance in sound. I've heard people say that one time we couldn't prove gravity, but we knew it existed. Just hearing something doesn't mean it's really there. We fill in the gaps with our brain, we literally hallucinate a lot of the sounds. What we expect is what we get. If we spend thousands of dollars on cables we are going to convince ourselves that sounds better.. The truth is, there's a reason you will never see side-by-side comparisons doing blind tests. The few people who do them come to the conclusion there is no difference between power cables. Most of the guys are just going to tell you it "sounds better to them" and that's good enough for them. And that's fine. As long as they aren't trying to convince other people to buy that crap

[@AT-wl9yq]

@@bren1886 You're right, but taking measurements isn't doing science. Its junk science. Don't let them suck you into trap. They couldn't do science if they're life depended on it. Read my next post to see what I'm talking about.

[@AT-wl9yq]

@@carpo719 I call BS on your statement. You don't have a shred of evidence to back up. You may not believe he can hear a difference between power cables, but that's more evidence than you'll ever have. "The truth is, there's a reason you will never see side-by-side comparisons doing blind tests. The few people who do them come to the conclusion there is no difference between power cables." BS. The truth is you have never done a scientifically valid test. Its also true that you could never reference a well done listening test of any kind, done on any kind of cable, not just power cords. All you guys do is guess. Can you at least reference some type of scientific theory that would somehow imply that a cable can't make a difference in sound quality? I highly doubt it. For the last 30 years I've been asking the exact same questions to people like you. I have never gotten an answer of any kind. Not one time. You guys either run, or you ramble on about something that sounds complicated, but doesn't mean anything. Maybe you'll be the first?

[@ville-mattivepsalainen5068]

Filtering is done by those power supply big caps. Snake oil does the rest...

[@robertjermantowicz-uw3iw]

I agree! Power cords are total snake oil.

[@gordonp6353]

If these cables do everything said of them, why don't the equipment manufactures integrate them into the equipment and do away with the plug/socket which is apparently another item that introduces distortion.

[@johnlira3316]

Do u have a vid of u guys setting up the gear at a show??

[@latourhighendaudio]

Well done and said !

[@edgarortiz4681]

I am looking forward to the day that a consensus of established audio reviewers conduct blind listening tests publicly . If they are so confident in their belief that expensive cables will make a significant improvement in sound quality ,why has a demonstration of these claims not taken place . Obviously there will be an audible difference . What needs to be demonstrated is that the expensive cables will produce significantly better sound . If these experts can consistently recognize the difference between the stock cables and the upscale cables I would give serious consideration to upgrading . If in fact the difference is obvious , why are they so reluctant to conduct this experiment publicly and put the issue to rest ?

[@dannyrichie9743]

Man, I can't wait. Stay tuned.

[@Junker_1]

Yeah instead of this mumbo jumbo. He would be more convincing if he set up a double blind test and show the result. That would be much more interesting. And he knows that. And there is a reason why he doesn't do that, and certainly on youtube. Money makes the world go round.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@Junker_1 I have already addressed the "double blind" catch phrase. Real blind listening tests are coming. Hang on.

[@Junker_1]

@@dannyrichie9743 Excellent. And I hope it is the real thing. Double-blind test and no difference in volume, etc... (human bias is a strong thing) decent cheap cables against his or others, if you don't know how to do it then just contact audio science review. That would be great if he would be involved too. That way there is no doubt Will this be seen on this channel?

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@Junker_1 I know how to conduct a solid and completely blind listening comparison. And if anyone is willing to come and participate then they can.

[@lajosvarga6431]

We should take into consideration the wires in the house and in the streets, too. I mean, what difference could possibly make, if you change only 2 meters of the total length of kilometers all the way down to the nearest transformer or powerplant? The wires of the main grid of a normal house is built based on general purposes in mind, not audiophile concepts. You might have a noisy, far from perfect sinus waveform of the mains, but can the 2 meter long power cable eliminate this noise? Should the power supply circuit of an amplifier/deck/etc. get rid of these inperfections and provide a stable DC voltage for the audio circuitry? Does the lack of noise make a wide soundstage? Does the effect of the power cable will enrich the signal with something that is not present in the original source (e.g. more treble)? And what about the less than perfect cables and other conductive materials inside the amplifier/deck/tuner/etc.? So, there is a long and complex system of wires from the powerplant to all the way to the loudspeakers. What difference could it make if you change 2 meters out of 1 km? And if it works with 2 meters, can we do it by only 5 cm long professional power cable, too? It would be cheap enough.

[@kennethsrensen7706]

Actually in japan some audiophiles they do change all cables and establish a seperate line from the transformer to their home and listening room . You do not need to go that far but I truely understand the idear . ( In the place where I live I would help not just my audio systems but all other electronics too ) I have a small home studio and the worst electric system in house / street as you can get . No protection at all from main transformer in street / alley to the house and only two 30A fuses after the breaker . The breaker is worse than ww2 , ww1 circuit breakers where you flip the big handle . Nothing to protect or filter anything , absolute NO protection and zerro grounding . No wires are wired same way so outlets have hot and neutral flipped in some and not in others . I can tell you that those few feet from the wall outlet do make a big difference what cable you use . I have made my own grounding and what type of cables I use DO make a big difference . There is so much noise on the whole electric system from all small local business and shops and even other homes aircondition systems ect . By use power condition and the right cables I can get noise down . It doesnt have to be expensive cables , just cables there is isolated and act as a filter with good insulation and shielding against noise . Using standard cables is a big no no here because you drown in noise . ( I live in an alley in Philippines where all electric wires is like big spagetti hanging on big poles )

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

True Lajos, this guy is a sales man, plain and simple.

[@thesupergamermario3701]

should i use one of these on a vintage Marantz reciever?

[@johnrobins795]

Awesome❤🎶

[@kurtlyons136]

If water is traveling through 50' of 1/2" pipe, what would adding 4' of 2" pipe on the end do? NOTHING

[@GRResearch]

No the last few feet of pipe under your sink is a filter. Power cables do the same thing.

[@kurtlyons136]

@@GRResearch snake oil cow dung

[@ferociousmullet9287]

@@GRResearch Prove what you say is true. Show us the measurements. Simple no? If the difference is so clearly audible then it can be measured. Prove your assertions are true. I dare you. I am calling you out as a snake oil salesman. PROVE WHAT YOU CLAIM IS TRUE OR ITS NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT.

[@fasterthanaturtle]

I'm sure you didn't see the $2000 cables on other sites and Im sure you didn't make comments on their site!

[@rf0022]

Are the power cables UL or CSA listed?

[@scottmichaels1764]

I wouldn't think so, that is an expensive label.

[@rf0022]

@@scottmichaels1764 Perhaps the plugs and the cable could be, just not the package.

[@zackschindler8334]

Oh you had to go there...

[@380stroker]

Do u have ts/trs/xlr cables?

[@justlookingaround9834]

I so of agree, but how can you over filter it? If you manage to remove all ‘interference’ from the cable you have done just that. It implies some noise is beneficial.

[@michaeltuohy1249]

Danny, what is your take on Regeneration? My solar panels hurt my sound during the daytime. I think the inverter must be hashy/square-wavey.

[@RobWhittlestone]

Hi Michael I have not heard your system under day or night-time conditions nor do I know your EV power system, but in the daytime you are charging batteries and running an inverter (assuming 110V audio operation). In the nighttime you are still running the inverter but not charging. Don't you rather think it is the charger imposing its noise on the supply? Best regards, Rob

[@michaeltuohy1249]

@@RobWhittlestone, here in Hellinois we do not have battery-backed solar systems. The system either makes power that is consumed or pushed back to the grid. No battery storage. When the panels are not producing, I am back on the grid.

[@RobWhittlestone]

@@michaeltuohy1249 Oh very interesting! Thank you for your helping me understand your configuration! Now I understand your theory: sounds plausible to me; I agree with you.

[@QQ-td9id]

Good boxes always have good power supplies built in include lots filtering. It's OK to have a dedicated power conditioning device for that purpose for all boxes you got, not $$$ snake oil power cables that is NOT controllable/adjustable.

[@dannyrichie9743]

You are absolutely incorrect, but thanks for felling the need to post your opinion.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

ideally the power supply in the amp and the other devices takes care of that.

[@johnrobins795]

May I inquire: Could an Wireworld Electra 7 into a Audioquest Niagara 1200 be too much conditioning?

[@jonathanharris3049]

Hell no!

[@michaelgalanos981]

Danny what gives you a better performance your 1800 rca connects or a 10 dollar XLR cable?

[@dannyrichie9743]

You can get much better sound from using a good RCA cable that filters out noise. The problem with XLR's is they they won't filter out noise already on the line. They only filter out the noise they pick up as being an antenna. So they pass whatever noise was there to begin with without adding more.

[@kevinwest1607]

I found a way to save a lot of money I just use car jumper cables you can get them pretty cheap!the first time I installed them I couldn't believe it it was like a veil was lifted and the sound opened up you could hear all the air and hear things in music you could never hear before it's amazing!

[@phillipmorris9847]

Can you share how you used them

[@kevinwest1607]

@@phillipmorris9847 he just twist them up with some old ones and put some electrical tape on them works like a charm

[@vivianvaldi7871]

U mean as power cables or speakers ones ?

[@kevinwest1607]

@@vivianvaldi7871 strictly for power for speaker cables I like to use steel cables instead of copper it opens up the sound more you'll hear a lot more air in the sound it's fantastic

[@vivianvaldi7871]

@@kevinwest1607 Never tryed steel cables, u mean like heavy duty 10 or 20 mm in diameter? Sounds exotic !!! BTW did u find car jumper cables in steel ? I use to think they are most cooper ones.

[@Waitaminutesilly]

Nelson Pass does not use those fancy look cords .. Neither Bryston. All makes top notch amps

[@cy4624]

Nelson Pass happens to be very few people with Integrity left in the industry not pushing one snake oil after another that gullible and insecure sheeps fall for. John Dunlavy was another but got ostracized by peers for exposing snake oil money grab scams.

[@ARGBlackCloud]

Interesting discussion on power !!

[@drbarney1000]

You might try taking a Lundahl 2765 transformer off the 300B to go from 5k to 600 Ohms output between ground and the grid of an 833A at zero grid bas. Put 1000Volts on the 833A plate and heat the cathodes with 12.6 Volt lead acid car batteries with 0.3 Ohms dropping resistors for just under 10 Volts 10 Amps the 833A cathodes draw. This will only pull 120 ma through the plate. A Hammond 1642SE output transformer is perfect for the 833A, it is rated 400ma before core saturation begins and it is pot tested to 3500 Volts. I run mine with 45s driving it. The 833A is the Stradivari of music reproduction instruments even though it was originally made for AM radio station transmitters.

[@carpo719]

Sometimes I feel like people are forgetting the point is listening to music 🤣

[@aaronhowe3523]

I like your speaker upgrade videos because you provide graphs and data showing how the frequency response etc have changed. If these power cables make the sort of audible difference you describe then where are the measurements that show the sound out the speakers has changed when you swap between standard and premium cables?

[@rayl3028]

Don't hold your breath waiting for the data. It would be easy to do the measurement since he's done them before. It's not hard to guess why it wasn't done or why it was done but not presented here.

[@mike.thomas]

Yes, he has said in at least one video on YT he doesn’t need to listen to speakers to improve them. He just uses the FR graphs to show his improvements. But for cables it’s the opposite (?) You have to hear them, not measure, apparently. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kmidst_kn6329]

@@rayl3028 Hmm, there's links to buy cables in the video description. Interesting coincidence.

[@fhester44]

.... and there is a return option if it does nothing for your system. If you have a nice system, why not try it out? It is free to try. The worst thing that can possibly happen to you is that you hear a difference and then you covert to the dark side. But the worst thing about learning that cables can make a difference is then your stuck; forced to listen to all of the bobos that troll this topic just to tell people how stupid they are. Just know, It will probably not work if your system is not capable of a highly resolving sound. nor on most class D amps according to Danny. Again, it's free to try.

[@kmidst_mz5094]

@@fhester44 I'm just going to say it blunt, all "audiophile" cables and premium cables are snake oil. They do not measure any different than generic cables and they make literally no difference. In fact, sometimes they are worse, such as the cables with battery packs (Audioquest Thunderbird) because they add capacitance which obviously affects signal integrity. Anyone who tries to convince you different than this is either trying to sell you snake oil, or has deluded themselves into thinking it makes a difference.

[@nikkic36]

This is the longest advertisement I’ve ever seen for his company

[@pandoraefretum]

I agree with you 100% ... Nice Copper cables... that's what I like

[@EduardBroekman]

Excellent video thank you

[@MSRWorkshop]

So you’re able to hear 0.06db difference from a 5k speaker cable and and one from Lowes? Because that’s the difference that was measured by audioholics.

[@dannyrichie9743]

That's only if you are looking at resistance.

[@MSRWorkshop]

@@dannyrichie9743 that’s the volume gain between the two

[@HowieHaigh]

How do you measure something when it's "off the charts"? 🤔

[@Darrylizer1]

Bigger charts

[@ceddy1031]

Cause they are GR-Research, they can make your shitty system to be high end by using their snake oil power cable or China fake speaker cables. LOL

[@AudiOhm]

Another manufacturer power cord sales pitch. If you add filtering, meaning active components to your power cable you could remove noise on your line, but if you look inside your components, this circuitry is already present. The gauge of the conductors will determine the amount of current that it will pass, more than 14 is a waist if the in wall cable and your breaker are both 15 amp rated. The insulation will determine the amount of voltage the cable can safely pass, fancy braid is for looks, and hides the actual basic internal wire/cable. You can add shielding, this will only prevent more noise from entering the cables signal, it will not filter what is on the line from the 40+ feet of non-shielded cable in the wall. Why don’t these manufactures supply test data to show the differences these power cables make on the AC signal (noise, voltage, and current), they do not because they know there is no difference. They seem to show all kinds of measurements for their crossover upgrades to show the improvements, why not their power cables?

[@Wizardofgosz]

Geez... I wonder why...

[@astolatpere11]

I changed the off the shelf pc on my SET amp and there was a dramatic change. That just opened up a can of worms. I realized that the cheap power strip, the cheap cable terminals, even the cheap IEC terminals on my gear are not optimized and have been replacing those things in my system. It's just better. I'd love to have a dedicated qualty circuit to my hifi but that's a dream. I dismiss the skeptics since I've heard the diff.

[@Aestheticnerdlife]

You must also think the earth is flat

[@njm1971nyc]

Placebo Effect once again 🤷‍♂️

[@thereefaholic]

Any company designing a “high end” piece of electronics is going to filter their power supply circuitry from the input through the rectifier. Of course a cord can introduce (antenna) noise that falls outside the band power supplies filter but the cord that came with the gear should be the optimum cord for that piece of equipment. If it’s not then that company should be ashamed.

[@dannyrichie9743]

Unfortunately it can only be optimal for a certain noise level. What is optimal at my house is not near enough when going to a show and being plugged into the grid at a major hotel.

[@LolkeDijkstra]

It's probably the other way around. The $6000-$8000 cables are a ripoff

[@stevemiller9480]

Why do we have to worry about this stuff now? We didn't have these cables back in the day when I could go into a HIFI store and test between amps and speakers, they used the factory wires that came with the top of the line amps and speakers. Why isn't that true today?

[@jameswarren1831]

I remember how many electronic items were in the home during the 70's and 80's, now there are literally 100's of cheaply made electronic components, many of that don't have ETL UL certification. I have an undamped solenoid on the ice maker that makes a snap noise through my system without basic filtration.

[@redstang5150]

You don't have to worry about this stuff, however the audiophile argument would be that your testing back in the day probably sounded fine, but even back then could have been even better with better cables. The key word in all this is 'better', i.e. incremental improvement. The entire market is based on the pursuit of 'better'. The debate then, is can cables actually make things 'better', or is it all in your head?

[@jameswarren1831]

@Douglas Blake If I had $12k for my audio system I would have fixed the plumbing a long time ago!

[@stevemiller9480]

@@redstang5150 It's in your head mostly, if high quality, braided power cords connected to power amps made so much difference to the average sound system they would mass market them. If a $300 power cable makes a $5000 audio amplifier sound better then they didn't design the amp properly.

[@redstang5150]

@@stevemiller9480 I agree, but somehow people still claim they can make an unbiased distinction. But they obviously don't need to mass market them. There still a large market there for these things because these companies continue to exist and sell enough product to be very profitable.

[@joshdekubber3631]

How do I figure out which model of your power cords is better for me?

[@DanielC__]

Don’t buy em, you’re getting sucked in to moon bat thinking

[@spelare2]

Its strange that Siegfried Linkwitz and Bruno Putzeys never talk about how important cables are? Maybe they are “flat earther”

[@DynamicRockers]

14:03 I worked in big studio facilities around the world for many years and I've only seen regular 2$ IEC power cables on pro gears. Sometimes studios have regenerators or isolation transformers but it's only if they had no choice because of surges, line noises or big swings. The filtering stage of any pro audio gear should be sufficient to clean up the AC defects. If it's recorded like that in those studios, you'll get them on your home system anyway. Just open a 2000$ EQ rack and smile at those hair-thin oxydized internal connectors... Sorry but I'll let you hear this audio guru preaching how AMAZING vs AWFUL and LIFELESS it sounds when you plug a 40W amplifier with an industrial pure copper 4/0 AWG 100A power cable. Me on my side, I'll play some records in my modest room and just enjoy it for what it is, music. Peace

[@GS-HIFI-AUDIO]

You should take a look at his "Electra cable tube connectors". The price will give you a good laugh, I promise.

[@DynamicRockers]

@@GS-HIFI-AUDIO ahaha I just watched the video about it. Clarity and details, this is what it's all about! 🙉

[@GS-HIFI-AUDIO]

@@DynamicRockers The level of ignorance Dan displays in his videos prevents me from watching any more content. This guy is on another level. Makes no effort hiding his contempt for customers that don't want to buy his $1600 interconnects (you know....those interconnects made from $1.50 to $3.00 worth of parts).

[@voodoosurvivor148]

Whatever component you buy is guaranteed by the manufacturer to meet all specs w/ the power cable they provide, so what’s the issue? What I’d be worried about is those heavy power cables ripping the receptacle out of the back of my amp.

[@cybergod77]

what's your opinion on conditioners fm Isotek?

[@Gnofg]

The number one conditioner is Oneac. We used these when I sold POS equipment. Go look at any hospital and every machine in a hospital is hooked to one. Premium line conditioner and inexpensive.

[@beagle7622]

That’s what I have been waiting for someone to say.

[@johnolson4977]

I change the power cable on my Delta Unisaw Table saw today , It cuts faster, smoother , quieter, Less vibration on the cast-iron top. I would like to do a double blind test but I am scared , I’ll cut my fingers off 🤔

[@Supashoppa69]

I changed it on my kettle. I could swear that’s it comes to the boil far more quickly and is slightly definitely maybe quieter and the water tastes cleaner. It probably cures COVID-19 too.

[@albo1506]

Not sure it can cure covid, only make it sound better 😇

[@wm5723]

Me too, haven’t sharpened my blades in 10 yrs. Amazing what them cables can do.

[@zackschindler8334]

I have a friend that works at the CERN. He was able to put some of my old cheap power cables in the most powerful particle accelerator in the world on an off shift. You would not be able to believe the difference it made to the sound! It now funnels muons, pions and quarks and changed the subatomic structure of the wire itself. Anyone want to buy it for $10K?

[@geoff37s38]

Can I interest you in some audiophile paint? “high Frequency White” is particularly useful in countering the dreaded “Dark Sound” caused by too much filtering. Only $999 a can. Don’t knock it if you have not tried it.

[@howardskeivys4184]

Do you offer a discount for bulk buying? Do you find that Matt or gloss is more effective? How many coats do you have to apply, before the ubiquitous laws of diminishing returns rear their ugly bonce? If I were to put a couple of coats on the inside panels of my speaker cabinets, would this make them more inert and work out far less expensive than a couple of sheets of Danny’s ‘no res’?👍🍻

[@filmses]

😂😂😂

[@you2ber252]

🤣😂😂🤣🤣 👍

[@freone111]

Greatjob danny👍

[@paulpaulzadeh6172]

Danny , do you have Power connector with European connecter ?? , I saw on your web site , it is US type connecter

[@dannyrichie9743]

We currently do not stock that type of connector. But if you send us the connectors that you want to use then we can build out the cables using them.

[@AnthonyMShadows]

If the Bass was audibly different between cables, couldn't someone set up a decent measurement mic and record a frequency response graph from the speakers and compare cable A to B? You could see the overlaid graphs and see if there was a difference in the freq curve between the two recordings. Is there any videos of someone doing this?

[@bh69videa]

I doubt it exists, because no power cable can have such effect ... I have tried to look for some measurements supporting power cable influence, but only found some that prove that they have no effect.

[@lanx0003]

Yep, I thought the host is technicality oriented so show us some measurement. If it does make noticeable difference, it got to be measurable.

[@shaolin95]

You will never see that because people that believes in this nonsense the last thing they want is to actually use science to test it lol

[@takeiteasy6154]

@@shaolin95 well said

[@mike.thomas]

He only uses measurements for speakers, apparently.

[@alvarojaramoreno2740]

so, a guy selling power cords is backing power cables?

[@tomfoolery2082]

How would this translate to instrument amplifiers , bass , guitar , keyboard ect ?

[@cybergod77]

Does your power cord support 240V?