Dear Andrew Robinson: I Know Whats Inside Your Speakers.

Dear Andrew Robinson: I Know Whats Inside Your Speakers.
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[@machone539]

Audio is like the automotive industry. 99% of the folks out there buy a stereo system and they are done. Then there is that 1% that likes tweak what they have. They might use heavy gauge OFC wires. They might replace their op-amps with a higher grade chips. And some might tweak the crossover. Hot rodders have been tweaking cars for years.

[@deputy3690]

Great point

[@davidnewell3232]

That's exactly who Danny is. Racing the quarter mile is another of his passions. I can't see the video right now. But I think he's wearing a drag racing t-shirt.

[@clasvirhodes4969]

I quit watching Andrew a couple years ago after he made a egotistical and disrespectful response to my fair comment😂

[@JC-lk3oy]

Excellent analogy. I've never left a car stock for more than a month, and once I got into diy and customized speakers, I'll never go back. It's crazy how much manufacturers leave on the table. Upgrading the crossover parts is like going from stock garbage shocks to some adjustable Koni shocks.

[@remiandrepedersen868]

@@JC-lk3oy Maybe with exceptions as it is a T50 from Gordon Murray! But not all cars and equipment are at that level, possibly none, so I understand what you mean.

[@stevejenkins-rq3fq]

Not suprising that Andrew and his wife would not understand that the crossovers are more important than the drive units... I can tell you from many years of experience, you can get very good results with high quality crossover components and cheap drive units, it does not work the other way round...... high quality drive units will reveal the massive improvements crossover components can make.

[@chadmorris946]

Their videos are pretty much just him reading the manufacturer's brochure. Its so insanely mind numbing listening to his stuff its beyond basic.

[@bencarignan2711]

Yup. Feels like a paid advertisement.

[@digoryjohns2018]

Your last point is particularly salient, it confirms my experience too.

[@voodooshome]

I find them quite entertainig. High quality videos and he's showing products at their best. Can't find anything wrong with it when someone is interested in new gear and wants some information about it. He's making comparisons to other speakers, Amps or whatever they review. Who likes to read brochures when someone does it better for you in a video!?

[@chadmorris946]

@@voodooshome There really isn't any comparisons because he thinks everything is great and wonderful so he doesn't lose sponsors.

[@carlhayes-ze5nd]

We should be concerned about what’s inside. It can reveal what the consumer is actually paying for. It’s not for everyone but for some it does matter.

[@jdlech]

I had one guy tell me his $14 earbuds sound better than most $4000 speaker systems. And I had another idiot tell me that the specs on his computer's CD player says "0 to 50,000 Hz", therefore all music he listens to through his computer is 0 to 50KHz. And there was no convincing him otherwise. So you are right.... there really are people who should never, ever, ever see the inside of anything. And the really mind blowing part is, both were arguing with me on the discussion page of the wikipedia entry for "audiophile".

[@VinylBliss]

Absolutely!

[@voodooshome]

But as Danny always says, all the manufacturer build to a pricepoint. And more people like shiny stuff than a black box with great parts inside you cannot see. So they spend money on design and build of a nice shiny box. Parts don't bring customers, high gloss videos about nice speakers do ;-)

[@biggsy..215]

💯 correct.

[@ChadHuisinga]

If the parts are spectacular and of immaculate standards and it is not voiced correctly it doesn’t matter. Andrew’s whole point is how does it sound stop taking everything apart and just listen to the music and enjoy. If it doesn’t sound good return it and try something new. Stop trying to fix something not designed correctly in the first place.

[@warpspeed9877]

Class act Danny.

[@gainstage4497]

When you took off your glasses and zoomed in on the affiliate links… Epic!

[@TypicalBenYT]

This was brilliant.

[@ChadHuisinga]

Nonsense and tiring. I think Danny is only click baiting for his channel anymore off of more successful and better produced channels.

[@TypicalBenYT]

@@ChadHuisinga It's pretty obvious that someone trying to sell you the product isn't going to highlight any flaws in it. They're literally incentivized to portray the product in a positive light regardless.

[@s.t.e.r.e.o.]

@@ChadHuisinga Danny got called out. How is he click baiting?

[@solomonstewart1025]

Epic indeed. Ouch!

[@cobar5342]

If he does not care about what is in a speaker, he really should not be in the speaker review domain. Credibility is built on deep understanding and a wide base of knowledge. Anything else may be arrogance in its true meaning

[@emmet7208]

Well said my friend!

[@toddlee2571]

Not that I disagree, but you don't really believe that the majority of speaker reviewers, in the history of speaker reviewers, were well versed in speaker design or even a novice at design for that matter. That being said, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss any reviewers' experience at what they do. There's always going to be two kinds of audiophiles; those who only care about how a speaker sounds and those who only care how it measures. Both are valid. And both can be completely unrepresentative of how a speaker will sound in your environment and application. But it's always going to be impractical for me to believe that I should not trust my ears when it comes to speakers, when they can be measured, but I should trust my ears when comes to audiophile esoterica, i.e. that which is not substantiated by measurements.

[@Staybrown11]

Wow. Real high standards there fella. I guess you only watch 4 review channels. But honestly, it’s not a big deal. It’s just Hifi. No wrongs or rights. Andrew is right because the vast majority of folks just buy a speaker, push it up against a wall and don’t care much about its crossover. A minority of specialized audiophiles will tear into a speaker and upgrade internals. And that’s ok too. But it’s a small number of folks.

[@lau1812]

The ears are important but it does not change the fact that when the parts are different , you should hear the difference. If you don’t, go and have a hearing test.

[@howardskeivys4184]

I could review a new car. I’m not a mechanic, but that doesn’t stop me appreciating the way the car performs!

[@jamesoneil9757]

I don't see how anyone in their right mind could hold a grudge against GR Research. Danny's videos help everyone enjoy their speakers. He demonstrates where very inexpensive speakers and components can be quite good, and improved, and, yes, sometimes points out where an expensive speaker can easily be improved or fixed by using a $10.00 resistor instead of a $0.50 resistor. And, Danny almost always uses measurements to back up his opinions. I think watching Danny's videos can improve peoples enjoyment of very cheap speakers or their expensive speakers. This is a gift. Knowing the difference between good quality and bad quality is beneficial for any material thing we buy.

[@MasterofPlay7]

His kits are much more expensive than that....

[@jasontimothywells9895]

Danny has the knowledge, skills and integrity all others do not care about . Danny loves to see his customers happy .

[@peterw2714]

@@MasterofPlay7yes, a crossover consists of more than a single resistor. But smaller less expensive speakers tend to have more simple crossovers.

[@kenp9073]

He also puts in the time to actually create a new crossover. It's not just about the parts. Called R&D​@@MasterofPlay7

[@brainache555]

​@@MasterofPlay7it's high quality parts he is hardly making any money on the kits.

[@TheEvolvingAudioNut]

I stopped watching his channel a long time ago. If I had not, going out of his way to demonstrate ignorance about speaker design would have done the trick. 🤪

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Andrew is a bit of a yes man.

[@mgsee]

Me too. I stopped following that channel also because I didn't like the 'smug' attitude that I detected on their channel. GR Research emphasise that a lot of speakers are obviously made to a price point, but if the speaker is well designed then GR Research are able to make your original purchase sound significantly better for a modest outlay and bit of DIY input - and who doesn't like a bit of DIY input!

[@MrLaserpowered]

Same..he went more gatekeeper elitist, so I dropped out.

[@rmzidann]

I agree. I have changed X-over parts on multiple speakers and every time, it’s a noticeable improvement.

[@jdlech]

I don't bother watching any reviewer who does not at least look inside the box. If they're going to put in such low effort, then they're not worth my time.

[@KirkLazurus]

Andrew has mentioned GR Research by name many times during live streams. He was talking about you.

[@JC-lk3oy]

I specifically remember this in regards to the open baffle decware zen master speaker. Basically saying Danny wouldn't be able to improve it because there was no crossover. I personally really enjoy that speaker, but it is a huge compromise when you go with a large wide band driver like that. The work Danny does is admirable, nad it absolutely makes a marked improvement to upgrade the crossover parts the way he does. The snark from Andrew on this is very off-putting.

[@Supperconductor]

The guts ARE important. The high end audio industry is NOTORIOUS for not only snake oil but "reviews" that often feel like paid ads. Manufacturers have privately admitted that when they set HIGHER prices, their products are perceived as better by the high end industry in general. The budget of a product allocated to cosmetics alone can be a significant chunk of the selling price.

[@DarrenShaw-ev5tb]

Fo-Sho ! - But Damm the finish on Wilson speakers Is Freakin Sweet !! ( lol

[@zizendorf]

@@DarrenShaw-ev5tb LOL And Sonus Faber too! They're gorgeous. But I purchase speakers for sound not how they look.

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

@@zizendorf So you buy a car based on 0 to 60 and not the looks or the colour or options like leather etc? I call BS

[@zizendorf]

@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Well you can call bullshit all you want. I didn't come here for an argument. However, I did research for a year and then searched for an Audi A6 Avant. Found one, based upon 0-60. Bought it and didn't give two shits that it was silver. But, you're right, it does have a leather interior. They all do. I'd have purchased it regardless of it's color. LOL

[@ruger6049]

@@zizendorf I've got a beater that will leave your windshield covered in rubber dust as you watch me pull way out site ahead of you. Why not buy that? Oh, it doesn't have those linked circles on the rear lid nor the fancy price. Everything is relative. You like a pretty car and ugly speakers. I have pretty speakers and an ugly car. Not trying to be a dick, just pointing out that this can be applied to any consumer item you buy. Why does a woman need a big $$$ diamond when a smaller $ signifies the exact same thing? Dude does not love his fiance' more than I love mine. Right?

[@tysonn4736]

Saying parts quality doesn't matter in audio is like saying food quality doesn't matter in cooking.

[@Constantin1020]

I think he sad that he doesn’t care , not that the parts don’t matter. Two different things

[@toulcaz31]

Bien dit 🙂

[@anthonyjackson7097]

@tysonn4736 He was simply saying that as long as the speaker performs as intended. It doesn't matter the parts used. You know, about 45 years ago, this wasn't even a topic of conversation. The JBL100 is one of the most popular speakers in history. Not once during its heyday did anyone ask about crossover parts quality! I wonder why in recent history suddenly it's an important matter?

[@veroman007]

@@anthonyjackson7097 yes because we had no way to measure all those things back then!!! he was skewering gr's business model and all of the good they do for customers .

[@Mrrich3]

Excellent explanation of how parts effect sound. I built a pair of your Brutes with the high end options. I could not find a speaker anywhere that performs as well for the price. I have built several pairs of speakers including Open Baffles, which are my favorite. Parts do matter! Facts are often difficult for people today, Danny you need to put more feeling into your reviews so the wannabe's can understand what your offering. Andrew is clearly a very sensitive man, he needs a hug.

[@BeatTenguDoomzy]

You're always criticised by those who do less never more. These companies pay very little into research & design & expect consumers to just such up the end product.

[@TheMirolab]

you did very little to spell check.

[@greenlanternseven]

Look at the size of that KPCU01 Miflex 600v cap...that baby is expensive

[@Atheistic007]

I saw that too, its the size of a small dog!

[@FOH3663]

A cap ... That's what that was? Damn, I thought it was some kinda movie prop Darpa nuclear device that CIA Ground Branch would have. Wow, a cap ... no cap.

[@kdomster9141]

I own piece of B&W speakers that have reputation of unruly and coarse , but original crossover had 3usd 4.3uf Vishay Poly cap on the tweeter as a single part for its 6dD per octave crossover ....Guess what I installed KPCU01 Miflex instead , mounted it behind the speaker on a tiny shelf and it absolutely transformed the performance of that 500usd monitor speaker . I was able to hear it's phases of break in affects on sound . But it now sounds so clean, open, detailed and pleasant to the ear . It was the biggest testimony of how parts quality is a key to high resolution of sound . So if Andrew does not care he is ignorantly and he is the one losing out on his approach.

[@staceymangham]

That cap is the size of a 1 farad stiffening cap for a car audio system

[@kdomster9141]

@@staceymangham Yes that's why I had to install it outside of the enclosure, Mine is 4.3uf so half of that value Danny is using there and half size and half price as well 😉

[@JR-ho5qm]

So much to say here! Fantastic video, I hope it goes somewhere with Andrew and Kristi. I really think they need to keep a more open mind in this area. Even if they were neutral on the subject they shouldn’t bash us that apreatiate it. Kristi kinda had a go at me in the comments section of there last video and I was disappointed, because I respect them and watch all there videos. I challenged them to upgrade the crossovers on a pair of there speakers to see the benefits for themselves. There white Klipsh would be perfect for this however I do not expect this to happen. 🤞🏼. I honestly feel sorry for people who don’t understand or trust Danny and GR Research. We as hobbiest are extremely lucky to have him mentoring our way. Crossover upgrades arnt for everyone. But man it’s sure fun knowing you have good parts in there making the speaker the best version of its self!

[@randylneisen4824]

Well said!

[@MilGrip76]

... their minds have been open for a long time... open to being paid for "facts", open to birds picking away their brains... open to anyone who will agree with their narrow views.

[@stevejenkins-rq3fq]

.......also.... if your average £600 class leading stand mount speaker had a decent crossover it would be nearly double the price .... I have taken apart dozens of so called hi end speakers to find £12 worth of crossover components, most crossovers I have upgraded have cost hundreds, but transform the sound. The manufacturers just cant afford to put in decent parts unless you are paying very big money indeed. So Andrew, sorry on this one you are WRONG... Danny, as with other experts in his field ,understand that if you are prepared to spend the money you can make HUGE improvements.

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

Uhh wrong. Often the crossover doesn't even cost a dollar to the manufacturer and this on a $4000 speaker. The manufacturer could easily add $200 in crossover parts at their cost to greatly improve the speaker. No one refuses to buy say a $5200 speaker over a $5000. People feel better on their purchase if they know what they don't see on the inside is of decent quality.

[@heidizeelie]

Great back to school lesson done very professionally. Brilliant.

[@jarza_87]

Crossovers are the weakest point on any speaker that are build for price point what ever is the price point, period. I upgraded my speakers crossovers with better components and it was BIG upgrade! All those cheap sandcast resistors, electrolytic capacitors and iron core coils removed with better parts was game chancer!

[@evilmonstertruck]

This is fantastic!!!

[@toecutterjenkins]

Danny you should make a test set on encores and use cheap crossover parts send it to Jay. He would be a good guy to do a fair comparison . Do a downgrade to prove your point.

[@deeplyclosetedindividual]

Great idea! I hope he sees this

[@Mrrich3]

Andrew needs to start listening to his wife, she seams to have a better grasp of sound quality. Danny thanks for giving us options without pushing so Soy boy agenda.

[@dannyjonze]

And possibly reality.

[@toby9999]

When he said "who cares" multiple times in one response, referring to the importance of crossovers, he destroyed his credibility as an audio equipment reviewer for all time.

[@PAINFOOL13]

Big respect for you Danny , maybe this dude has misguided arrogance for clicks??

[@Greenapul]

Andrew has over 300k subs. He has to cater to his audience. They don’t want to be told the manufacturer of their new speaker had to make comprises to hit a specific price target.

[@The_Story_Channel]

@@Greenapul Right, give them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

[@DJ_BROBOT]

Im gonna say thats false...if you watch their channel long enough, they say that they dont. Many manufacturers wont send them items because they have given bad reviews of gear in the past.

[@Harrisongrey19]

@@DJ_BROBOTtrue, people in all these comments are idiots

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

If I remember correctly he used to review cameras. Lol

[@PedroLCogoy]

I follow Andrew and I always have the impression that Klipsh is a sponsor of his videos. Remember, that is an IMPRESSION, not a certainty. Who knows? A guy has to make a living.

[@ChicagoRob2]

His past endeavors were in the film industry, and it appears he cares more about production than anything else.

[@emed1977]

He’s worked/contracted for several audio companies, including Emotiva.

[@Sir_Corgerus]

While I really like Andrew, I have to agree with you because he clearly doesn't spend a lot of time with speakers. I take his opinions as impressions, he forms those "as-is" coming from the speaker and his room. Hot take, that's fine. You just gotta know what the "review" really is.

[@Wagondragin]

I believe his "who cares comment" would have been better phrased as " I don't care". I enjoy Andrews channel and his content has its place

[@ptpoul]

I have seen him be critical of some Klipsch products. Calling them shorty. He likes their higher end stuff though.

[@redred2772]

Send Andrew some of your line. He may end up your biggest fan.

[@Reluctantaudiophile]

That would be a great way to handle this kerfuffle!

[@dannyjonze]

Listen to what Danny said, he won't send stuff to people who can't tell the difference anyway.

[@jasontimothywells9895]

😂

[@redred2772]

@@dannyjonze As someone who knows nothing -and I am- I'm curious how well the GR speakers do with Andrews room correction in relation to other speaker manufacturers and electronics combinations as well as having older ears I would love to know what Andrew's camera shy wife thinks as well. Im leaning towards Q acoustics or GR and would love to hear the results of a head to head in an untreated room. I love both channels! Keep up the good work!

[@edmarks3767]

​unlikely hepraises klipish and bose@@Reluctantaudiophile

[@TurboSound1983]

Jetzt geht der KZbin Beef los, ich hole mal Popcorn ;-)

[@zizendorf]

@TurboSound1983 Ja, machs gut die Unterhaltung.

[@bingdong8571]

Really! That dude is the last person to crap on parts. He cares about shiny finishes and cool architectural angles more than anything. He is Not a good tech reviewer. More of a speaker design reviewer.

[@FOH3663]

Agreed Lifestyle reporting

[@TheMirolab]

I believe Andrew strikes a balance between audiophile and lifestyle.... and that is what's NEEDED! Just talking tech turns the average person off. Andrew is the perfect personality to charm people into this hobby. I don't care who they are or how they get here, but the more people buying good audio is good for all audiophiles.

[@nicodenhaak3961]

​​@@TheMirolab Exept the part where Andrew is talking b.s. himself about not caring how crossovers are build, or implemented in a speaker. As a reviewer you can't talk nonsense like that if you want to be taken seriously...

[@Kaspurr84]

That's literally half the dudes channel title, is he hiding it in your eyes? He focuses on architecture and design.

[@bingdong8571]

@@Kaspurr84 thats cool, i honestly just like to comment whenever this grresearch fella gets into a youtube skirmish. It happens like once a month. JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

[@alwayspushing2031]

My 2020 Ram is perfect as "stock" but I wanted more as I got bored with it so for me, 4" lift, 24" rims and tires, upgraded control module, did it "need it", negative! Buttttt do I enjoy it, does it make me happy? Exactly...... all hobbies and have niche components of them. Like...., pre-amps, mono blocks, cables, wires, isolation exc....... Andrew has a successful channel so he is above "getting his hands dirty" yeah I said what I said. Enjoy your hobby of choosing and be happy with what we have because if we are spending $$$ on hobbies we are A.O.K.!!!

[@nickmrt2670]

Well said!! ✔️

[@ruger6049]

Why is it so friggin' hard for people to understand that not all music lovers give a royal-rats-ass about the innards of a speaker and why it is built the way it is? The vast majority of professional musicians wouldn't know a binding post from a tweeter. This is why I prefer to listen to what actual owners have to say about living with a particular product before I get serious about it. Reviews, KZbin or print, are just a very basic tools to used as guidelines. Perfectly said, "did I need it, negative". Cheers.

[@bencarignan2711]

Andrew is paid handsomely by the speaker manufacturers. Keep that in mind when listening to his reviews.

[@dalewilliams8001]

Is he?

[@FOH3663]

Either way, he's a working content creator ... doesn't matter, more power to him. That said, his take on Danny and GR Research completely missed the mark. "Boutique" operation, ... uh yeah! Please. I suspect he's a smart guy, likely parroting a forum comment or something ... 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘵𝘰𝘰 𝘴𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘵. I look forward to Andrew and Christie taking a road trip. You know they're constantly brainstorming new content ideas ... well, here you go.

[@rlowes]

I actually agree with Danny’s feedback about Andrew’s comments, but I don’t believe there is anything anywhere showing Andrew is getting paid by manufacturers- in fact they have clearly stated the opposite. This is a false accusation. I think Andrew just doesn’t believe/agree with Danny’s business model around upgrades or that they make any significant difference in sound quality.

[@paule3999]

EVERYBODY on youtube are just for the money and gr-research also!

[@Mark-rw3kw]

That is complete false. Here is Andrew Robinson's policy "We do not allow/accept payment or free product in exchange for a review, video or our time. Products sent on loan by the manufacturer or their rep are returned after the review. Otherwise, the Channel has purchased the product(s) for the purpose of a review and/or has paid to keep the product long-term."

[@BrentLeVasseur]

If GR Research and Kef had a baby it would be the perfect speaker. Gr Research has the sound quality and Kef has the good looks.

[@jasontimothywells9895]

Looks don't matter to me and KEF is overpriced tinsel.

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Thing is he speakers have been tested and they weren't great with Klippel

[@tubefreeeasy]

He’s a cable denier and that made me unsubscribe from him.

[@MasterofPlay7]

@@tubefreeeasy what do you mean cable deniers? I think he said cables do make a difference

[@tubefreeeasy]

@@MasterofPlay7 Check out ‘10 Things…”

[@TheMirolab]

I don't deny.... I just think there's other, more fun things to worry about than cables.

[@MasterofPlay7]

@@TheMirolab like what?

[@zizendorf]

@@MasterofPlay7 I used to be a cable denier. However, I do believe (yes, I wrote about my belief - not science), that interconnects are the better route to go with cables as opposed to decent speaker cables. That's been my limited experience (limited by my financial situation).

[@0richbike]

What you said...

[@middleearthltd]

The alleged shill reviewers sound like timeshare salesmen Danny went through his bona fides recently and yet he has to address the alleged shill reviewers One reason I build my own speakers is that the mark-up is insane and you generally get crap parts Ignore the shill reviewers

[@jwilson086]

Andrew’s “who cares” response came across as hugely pompous to me. Big turn off.

[@greenlanternseven]

@@jwilson086 yup...ego pride pompous arrogant all knowing and yet admits his limitations of understanding, that pretty much sums up everyone born in 1980 to present. Lol.

[@cup_and_cone]

Definitely has an asshole vibe to him.

[@Harrisongrey19]

Weird you were turned on by another man anyway.

[@rmzidann]

Not sure if pompous as much as pure ignorance which is just as bad, especially ignorance regarding a field that he should be well versed in.

[@WhatAreYouJewingHere]

Andy is a QUEEN

[@robmccoy21]

I'm a fan of Andrew Robinson and watched that particular video, and I have to say he's wrong. I'm an electronic engineer by trade and someone who loves audio. It really matters to me the quality of the crossover and the impact it can have. Speakers that have high-quality crossover parts are unfortunately overpriced, so upgrades can be an affordable route without the financial impact.

[@zizendorf]

@@robmccoy21 Why would one need to upgrade high quality crossovers? I don’t understand…

[@orwhat24]

When these things devolve into personal criticism they completely lose me. I get both points of view. For me, if the quality of the sound is (subjectively to me) is commensurate with the price, then we’re good. DIY upgrades are a perfectly legitimate way to enjoy the hobby. OTOH, Expecting speakers to sound good with out upgrades is reasonable. The $/sound ratio is what matters. As someone whose solder joints look like used bubble gum, I need a decent sound from the factory. You both have perfectly valid opinions. So let’s get back to the music.

[@Constantin1020]

Finally, a civilized comment without attacking any of the parties involved 👍❤

[@EnpuerKT]

In Danny we trust

[@unknownspectre]

"Who cares?!" and "I don't care if....." is ridiculous. I wonder how many car guys feel like that about engines 😂

[@clarencehoover6748]

12:20 Andrew: As an electrical engineer and an audiophile, I CARE about the crossover network design and components.

[@cup_and_cone]

Andrew comes off as a Best Buy sales guy in a previous life...

[@turerkan]

zero fuchs given :)

[@jeffwaterman4855]

Haha!!!

[@ptpoul]

Love the video, and Andrew can do better keeping his emotions out of certain videos. But talking about Andrew needs to understand speaker placement is ignorant. He has detailed how he uses lasers, moves speakers around testing toe in, width, distance from the back wall, side wall etc. Also, he worked as an editor in the hifi magazine industry. It really takes away from an otherwise inspiring way of approaching a discussion, assuming instead of understanding the background and the claims made by the person you are responding to. I hope this results in more collabs and genuine curiosity over assumptions and division. This would greatly benefit everyone, especially us viewers 😁

[@garbagemanify]

Danny, It's real simple,... tell those guys to whip out a dual trace oscilloscope, and a high quality signal generator... Set the o-scope up for dual trace mode, as well as your divisions for an audio time based grid, and then put your signal generator on square wave mode.. Place one "trace", or probe directly to the output of the signal generator, then pass the signal THROUGH what ever component you want to do diagnostics on.... The scope will (WILL) show the differences between iron core inductors, sand cast resistors, and electrolytic caps VS using HQ AIR core inductors, poly FILM caps, and wire wound resistors... I've een in the industry for decades, and believe me- this simple O-scope test will show the differences in ringing, smearing, and time delays..

[@briankennedy2737]

Is the timing belt in Andrew's car made out of paper clips? Who cares?

[@scrappy7571]

Rubber bands... paper clips for the chain.

[@chris01922]

It's probably an EV

[@scrappy7571]

@@chris01922 Bet your correct... But EV owners usually let us know they drive one, and how you should too..

[@peterbooth6753]

@@scrappy7571 some day we will look back on EVs as a sad joke, a misguided attempt to be green that doesn't consider science or sound engineering.

[@delvalle9256]

You want more drama? 🎭 Please make upgrade kits for Tekton speakers 🔊

[@deeplyclosetedindividual]

Yes!!

[@SkunkieDesignsElectronics]

HA!!!! LMAO

[@delvalle9256]

@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics right?

[@solomonstewart1025]

LOL that would be more than drama.

[@thepracticalaudiophile]

I've done gr-research upgrades to rp8000f and lrs+ speakers, and they're both phenomenal.

[@killercarpcatcher]

A tale as old as time. The difference between an engineer and a salesman.

[@jeffwaterman4855]

Well said

[@lithiumstatic]

Andrew & Kristi.... I love your reviews. I get what you're doing and why. No issues with it at all. BUT..... There's a lot of validity to what Danny is saying. I realize your not engineers and just want results and caring how the results happen isn't important. I get that we live in a world of buy good or buy better. Not picking a side, because Danny knows I'm brutally honest. Danny.... something you didn't mention. The expense to upgrade a speakers crossover isn't always going to provide enough "leveling up" to warrant the cost. The gain can be fractional on some speakers and simply isn't worth it.. Some speaker can really use an upgrade, but not all and not all are worth the investment.

[@dannyrichie9743]

When the cost just isn't worth it then I don't offer the upgrade.

[@lithiumstatic]

@@dannyrichie9743 But that's subjective. I gave this video a thumbs up and never have done that for any of your videos. Why? It's a good explanation as to why better parts create better sounds.... in most cases. ;) Do a video on driver speed and how controlling that speed is important to sound. As a matter of fact, do a video series on speakers from A to Z, meaning cover design, driver selection, crossover builds, etc. etc. I think it would be good for the audience to understand a bit of the engineering, kind like you did in his video.

[@azar3006]

@@lithiumstaticHow can it be subjective when Danny clearly explains the speaker charts, frequency curve and waterfall ? and plus he has the experience to decide if certain upgrades are not worth it !

[@lithiumstatic]

@@azar3006 The money in exchange for what someone feels is of good value. Not arguing data.

[@mcgjohn22]

what few seem to realize is the absolute best parts come in almost no speakers regardless of price. many 'philes have a tough time wrapping their head around that concept.

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

Not true!

[@mcgjohn22]

@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt too funny. Its actually quite true. Take a look at Wilson, Rockport, Magico. They use good parts but far from great parts. Open a few up and have a look.

[@lowdeck2682]

Andrew's the kind a guy that can't change the oil in his own car. He's not going to understand upgrading anything, nor would he want to. I don't know about you but, if my kids put some toys in the speaker ports and, I open them up to get said toy out. I see that the cross over is a penny wrapped in a bubble gum wrapper. I would think to myself "I payed $6500 doll hair for these". Not a happy camper.

[@bigbirdwpg]

Another point is, ,in general, the higher end higher cost speakers tend to use better parts in the x-over, wiring, connectors etc.. Why would they do that if it made no differeince? PS audio speakers for instance. Nothing but high quality parts.

[@kennethabbott3856]

This may get some people riled up. While I think Andrew could have been less condescending with his feelings towards the speaker modding/upgrading community, i very much understand his point. He doesn't review DIY/modded equipment. His reviews have to be based on what he receives from a manufacturer or retail store. It truly doesn't matter what parts are in the product. If it's good, he explains why. If it's not, he explains why. If it's really bad, he doesn't post a review. His channel has never been about telling viewers to buy something, take it to someone else to fix problems with it, then take it home and enjoy it. I guarantee that, as long as he's been in the HIFI world, he understands what crossover parts do to a signal. It's just that, for the purpose of what he and Kristie do with their channel, they don't matter. If you don't like the way a speaker sounds from the factory, don't buy it. Definitely don't buy expecting Danny to be able to work miracles and make it sound like something that would cost you $3-4K more than what you paid. Just buy one of Danny's kits and get the good stuff the first time. Much as I don't come to Danny's channel for info on how well a particular pair of Paradigm towers might blend in with the decor of my living room, i don't go to Andrew's channel for detailed technical analysis of how they perform. I watch Andrew and Kristie to get info about it would be to live with a particular product as it comes from the manufacturer.

[@TheMirolab]

A fair & balanced comment!

[@jasonavant5210]

Somebody gets it!

[@Feliciano12v]

This!

[@seanb3303]

Gosh andrew’s facial expressions are so smug. He should at least try to hide how pleased he is with himself.

[@cup_and_cone]

One of the most punchable faces I've seen in some time. That pompous smirk is next level. Chuffed with his own ignorance.

[@countdebleauchamp]

I detest that schmoozy bastard.

[@WhatAreYouJewingHere]

He is a Queen. Once you realize he is gay then everything makes sense.

[@countdebleauchamp]

@@seanb3303 I'm not going to participate in gay-bashing, but I can't stand that schmoozy bastard.

[@countdebleauchamp]

@@seanb3303 My comments regarding Andrew keep getting deleted, but suffice to say I can't stand that schmoozy @#$&(.

[@kstofkos]

Wasn't Andrew CEO of Emotiva ? I do believe that he might have an idea of what he is talking about. If the commenters of this channel have watched his original video like I did, you would see that Andrew said that the crossovers in most factory speakers are not top quality and are made to a price point. He also doesn't believe that you should have to buy a product then have to upgrade it. Andrew always says at the end of his videos basically... only you have to like what you are listening to. Saying it doesn't matter what other people think of the sound of your home audio, as long as you like it. A while back I upgraded my main tower speakers. I couldn't believe the sound that was coming out of them. I heard detail in the lyrics and sound stage that I have never in my life heard before. The speakers made you feel like you were sitting in front of the band at a live concert. I only changed the speakers from the 6" Klipsch towers to the newest 8" tower speakers. The Denon 6700H and the Emotiva basex 3 were still driving both as the same settings. I was A / B ing the speakers and the difference was incredible. I didn't need the boutique crossovers to bring my living room alive. Just factory speakers with no upgrades.

[@alexh4843]

I believe Andrew was in marketing or brand management of sort for Emotiva. But I'm not 100% sure of this. And I have nothing against him I have watched many of his reviews.

[@veroman007]

i seriously doubt that!

[@kstofkos]

@@veroman007 what part are you doubting?

[@jimbendtsen8841]

No. Where did you come up with that ?

[@torbenkristiansen7732]

You are talking rubbish without scientific evidence. Trying to find technical explanations because you know it convinces and sells. You say the filter / speakers measure identically, but can sound very different, it is also my experience, the difference is just that I'm not talking about a degradation of the signal, because it is not what has the decisive importance for the sound, despite long electronics training, I do not know the reason why it is so. ASR has shown this countless times via measurements zero test and the theory tells us so, this applies not only to speakers but to all hifi devices, measurements do not tell us much about the perceived sound, this is the final problem for the ‘snakeoil’ industry they do not know the main reason why it is so and therefore come up with a lot of techno babble. As you point out, measurements only tell us something about precision but very little about perceived timbre soundstage rhythm perceived resolution and more, everything we value as hifi enthusiasts. Lack of precision typically results in something that will irritate our ears: noise, high distortion, high frequency deviation, resonances, poor connectivity and more. These measurable errors can and should be minimised, and fortunately we can measure to document, the results of the measurements will mainly be determined by the construction itself, which in my opinion is one part of hifi construction. The easy part. The other part, the part that in my opinion is often the most significant for the perceived sound is what construction is realised with, cables resistors capacitors coils connections etc. What the right choice is can only be determined through listening experience and checked/measured with controlled double blind tests, my experience is that pure and natural non-magnetic materials sound best, this part of hifi seems to be mainly determined by your choice of materials. What we hear is of course a combination of the two descriptive parts. One part we have complete control over through measurement and theory, the other part can only be experienced and measured through blind testing.

[@jasonleyson7825]

Andrew's videos are just infomercials disguised as product reviews.

[@ThomasKoss3]

100000% Its stunning people cant see past that. What's your take on Steve Huff? I'm starting to get vibes that he's on the gravy train too. For years i didn't think to much about it because i have owned many of the products has 'reviewed' and found them pretty similar to my experience. But now its getting a bit sus.

[@VIctorCarruyo]

Danny actually has talked me out upgrading some speakers. Its not about the money. Xover upgrades have to be experienced, it’s a night and day deference. After wetting my toe on high quality components, I was hooked. Then I started buying nice and once. IMHO DIY is best. No compromises. A wise man once told me: “ When you build a race car, you are better off starting with a race car. Not a street car. Because, the street car was built to a budget, and compromises were made.”

[@t-mar9275]

I follow and enjoy both the AR and GR channels. When I saw the original AR video, I anticipated this response from GR. Personally, I took AR's "don't care" comments in a different context. He's using the "black box" reviewing technique, in that whatever he can't hear or see from the outside is irrelevant. He's "blind testing" things such as the crossover components, dampening material, bracing and binding post material, which aren't visible to him. He can't control the decisions made by the designer and therefore "doesn't care" how the designer got to the end result, only how it fares against the direct competition with its outward characteristics (i.e. sound, aesthetics, construction). Ultimately, he's judging it by the same characteristics as the typical end consumer. I'm sure he appreciates (and can likely hear) the benefits of better crossover components, non-magnetic binding posts, etc. but he also realizes the cost concessions required at certain price points and trade-offs to be made. Perhaps, instead of saying "doesn't care", a more accurate statement would be "I don't want to know". He's relying on his senses for the review and doesn't want to influenced by the brand name on some crossover component.

[@thomasperina2990]

Hello GR Reasearch: Thank you for this video sir. What I admire about you and your company is that you don't have a hidden adjenda like other tube channels. I've been an audio enthusiast since I was young & you have educated me in many areas that when I walk into a person's home & hear some of this audio crap that is actually painful to listen to. God Bless & stay safe, TMP from N.J.

[@miltystu2004]

I watch Andrews vids. He does a good job at it too. But, he's the guy who buys a car and enjoys it as is. He just doesnt understand that some people like to upgrade the stereo in their car or put a turbo kit on it to make it faster. I dont mind him having an opinion but his comments are putting down others and thats kind of sad. I've built my own cars, computers, amplifiers, speakers, etc. I enjoy it. I find his comments a little offensive to people like myself. He sounds like a technical idiot to me, and he's jealous of people smart enough to know how to upgrade, repair, or build things he doesn't understand. I guess he's just ignorant.

[@benbooth7411]

I hope Andrew Robinson will take it upon himself to become better educated on the science and technological aspects of the subject matter he professes to know something about. He says, "who cares!" Of course, his audience cares. I deleted my subscription to his channel

[@t.j.bennett6454]

He’s such a smuck and is trying to completely control the market especially in home theater. That’s what the biggest noobs start off and there are new ones daily. So he purposely tries to look like a savior to people because he not only a narcissist who loves people praising him but he’s makes money doing so

[@bensaven5151]

Better parts better performance that goes for everything that's made in this world there's always something better and upgrade that will make it better sound better drive better whatever it is it will be better. Why do people understand that butter parts and everything else in this world makes it better except for better parts on a speaker. They should look at the ultra-high end and the really high-end components inside those speakers and there's nothing like these cheap speakers why are they using them because they're better and that's why they sound so good!

[@vasileuricariu8928]

About your product i buy norez end tube conectors from you because i live in belgium end the shiping price end doane is not cheap but the difrent betwen befor end after is huge is what Danny said clean basse end more clarity i´m very happy end i recomand to all my frends thank you GR research

[@JR-ho5qm]

Andrew Kristi! Please go see Danny it will make for great content!

[@deeplyclosetedindividual]

No amazon / Crutchfield affiliate links. Won’t fit his MO.

[@reyiiteleco]

I stand by Danny, I’m a customer and I’m impressed how well addressed is this video.

[@Thevikingcam]

He is true, only sound matters to the customer. For 99%. The 1% would like to know. But the 99% is where the money comes so ask again who cares. Not me too. I do know the speakers i use sounds good. Iw had few, from genelec G5 to "the ones" to few Klipsh models to Jamo one to and so on. Triangle antal stays. For now :D You can upgrade the crossovers and what ever, that is like changing engines intakes and adding turbo to the car, its not for everyone, maybe to the 1%.

[@solomonstewart1025]

How you arrive at your percentages. 99 to 1? It could be 70 to 30.

[@welshrarebit9238]

First it was Jay now Andrew

[@robanderson6173]

Thanks for the video, I'm still loving my X-statiks.

[@terrycain1811]

Danny are u an audio engineer or electrical engineer Show us your knowledge. What Degrees do u have from what University’s. I bet u WONT!!

[@IndySnowman]

Even if Andrew Robinson knew what he was talking about I would still find him unwatchable because he is so smarmy and arrogant. In addition his off-camera girlfriend/wife also has a really weird cult of followers that gives the channel a very creepy vibe.

[@Pete.across.the.street]

Oh yeah, now that you mention it I totally see that. Probably the only women that will respond to them.

[@deeplyclosetedindividual]

It’s bc they delete any comments that don’t worship them or are critical in the slightest

[@John-hx2lw]

This video popped up on my feed and I thought Andrew Robinson sounded familiar, I looked through my history and had started watching his video "Do Home Theaters NEED a CENTER SPEAKER?" at one point and remember being extremely off put by the weird interview sitting in a chair style with blurred background...Strange. But to each their own. I watched for about 5 minutes and couldn't take his voice or the female background voice anymore... I've always been of the mindset, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you don't want an expensive cable, don't buy it. If you don't want to buy a speaker upgrade, don't buy it. I'm just getting into the DIY speaker world and can't believe how much smack talk there is about this company. I bought a center channel kit from GR and couldn't be happier. Questions were always answered, no pressure was ever put on me, just great customer service and a quality product.

[@hermanknief]

Will probably get roasted for this. While I completely agree that components can/do make a difference, I also have to wonder about pursuing upgrades. When wanting better sound, I know there are those who would just look at new speakers. Granted, I'm sure there are plenty of DIYers that would look at upgrading a speaker already in someone's possession. How many people buy a speaker and the turn right around and want to upgrade it? If when you audition a speaker, if you don't think it sounds fantastic as is, why buy it? And in Andrews defense, if you think a speaker sounds fantastic, then does it matter what is inside? Could it sound better with better components? Possibly, but again, if you don't like how it sounds, then why buy it in the first place?

[@corymarcotte5853]

Because most people don’t know what good sound is.

[@hermanknief]

Perhaps. Part of the problem is, it's highly subjective and not everyone hears the same. Age, hearing loss and many other factors can make a difference to one's perception of what they hear.. Danny mentions a speaker can measure perfect and sound lifeless... maybe to one person while another person loves it. Some people think horn speakers are the best. Others, direct radiators. Yet others, Electrostatics. Listen to a B&W first, then a Kef and the KEF may sound flat. Wait 15 mins and reverse the order and the B&W may sound overly bright or even harsh. It really comes down to what individuals like, a baseline for comparison, the type of music they listen to, volume level, placement and most importantly room acoustics.

[@1997inspire]

Perhaps you couldnt afford the speaker you wanted so it could be very cost effective to upgrade the one you bought to sound probably better than the one you wanted.

[@hermanknief]

Perhaps. Just doesn't seem like a path that the average Best Buy shopper would follow. Could definitely see it for buying a second hand speaker to experiment with or something that say Danny has a kit for.

[@richgrao]

I get both views, but also cynical about both. You provide a service that some people in this hobby (obsession?) find value in. I think the real question Andrew is asking is whether spending $$’s on a $ speaker is worth it. I know you will argue that it will make the speaker X times better, or that you would have spend so much more to equal the upgraded speaker’s performance that the upgrade is a bargain. But you ARE trying to sell something. Nothing wrong with that, but Andrew doesn’t get any affiliate $’s if I buy your upgrade instead of buying a set of Elac’s through his affiliate link. So also a self serving video on his part. I would love to hear a reviewer I trust more review one of your upgrades and also complete speakers, but no one is going to do that unless you send them s&@t. (Cynical, remember.).

[@hoosierhifi5183]

Andrew Robinson's point seems to be that upgrading a speaker's crossover may not always offer the best value. After purchasing speakers and then investing in crossover upgrades, you may have spent enough money that it would have been better to invest in a higher-quality speaker from the start, avoiding the additional work and hassle. While DIY speaker projects can be enjoyable and are a valid hobby, for the average person who may not want to invest the time and effort, their money could be better spent elsewhere. Although crossover upgrades can make a difference in sound quality, the improvement doesn't always justify the cost. Spending significant money on upgrades may only result in a marginal improvement, without addressing the inherent limitations of the speaker's design. True innovation in speaker performance comes from a ground-up approach that considers the entire design, not just the crossover. Ultimately, how a speaker measures in performance is often more important than individual component selections when it comes to how it will sound. This isn't meant to criticize anyone's choices but simply reflects a personal opinion. Cheers!

[@kdomster9141]

This opinion added some fog and haze to the concept. Let me tell you , even my car stereos tweeter sounds way better when I replaced factory tiny electrolyte 6.8uf for a 6usd worth audio poly cap .... Difference is significant to a trained ear , not to mention , resistors that also make a difference, than inductors , internal wiring , cabinet enhancements, binding posts upgrade and all of it improves the sound . So cheap speaker sold for 200usd can be greatly improved by spending 70usd for better caps and resistors, coils , just pick wisely to stay in this tight budget and YES it will make these 70 USD speakers sound much much better and well worth 70usd spend on better quality parts . Than if you approach 600usd speakers and say you decide to spend 140usd on parts to upgrade the crossovers the difference on such speaker will be even greater ... Proportions and logic in such upgrade is a key for it to make sense .

[@052RC]

"Ultimately, how a speaker measures in performance is often more important than individual component selections when it comes to how it will sound." I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I can give you the specs to a speaker and you can't tell me how its going to sound. Let me give you a real example of what I'm talking about. I'm very sensitive to high frequencies. You can have a metal tweeter and a soft dome tweeter that measures very close, if not the same, and can sound very different in actual use. Measurements are not going to tell you that.

[@hoosierhifi5183]

@@052RC I appreciate your perspective, and I agree that measurements alone can't fully capture the subjective experience of listening to a speaker. What I meant by "how a speaker measures far exceeds parts selections" is that while individual components, like tweeters, do contribute to the overall sound, the performance of the entire speaker system - as indicated by how it measures across various parameters - often provides a better indication of its overall quality and design than simply focusing on component selection in isolation. To your point, measurements might not always reveal specific nuances such as listener sensitivity to certain frequencies or tonal preferences. However, they do provide a more objective baseline for comparing performance and understanding how the speaker was engineered. So, while measurements may not tell the whole story, they are a key part of understanding speaker performance when considered alongside subjective listening tests. I fully acknowledge that sound is a subjective experience and can vary significantly from person to person. For example, as you pointed out, two tweeters that measure similarly might sound quite different to someone sensitive to high frequencies. While measurements offer an objective baseline for performance, they can’t account for personal preferences or sensitivities. It's definitely a balance between objective data and personal listening experience. Thanks again for engaging in the discussion!

[@hoosierhifi5183]

@@kdomster9141 Thank you for your input. I completely understand the perspective you're coming from, and I don’t doubt that upgrading components like capacitors, resistors, and inductors can improve the sound of a speaker, particularly for someone with a trained ear. However, my point was more about the broader balance between cost, time, and the overall design of the speaker itself. You’re right that a budget speaker can be improved with better components, but there are inherent limitations in what can be achieved due to the overall design of the speaker. Cabinet design, driver quality, and tuning play a significant role in a speaker’s performance, and those factors often can't be fully addressed by just upgrading the crossover. While spending $70 on upgrades may improve a $200 speaker, it’s important to recognize that the improvements may be marginal when compared to purchasing a speaker that was designed from the ground up with higher-quality components, cabinetry, and tuning. There’s also the consideration of diminishing returns. As you mentioned, the difference might be more significant in a $600 speaker, but there comes a point where the cost of upgrading components may not deliver improvements that justify the expense. High-end speakers are typically designed with a balanced integration of all parts, not just components, so modifying one area might yield subtle changes, but won't necessarily unlock the full potential of the speaker. Ultimately, upgrading components can provide an enjoyable DIY project and can yield improvements, but I believe there's a balance between those upgrades and recognizing the limits imposed by the original design. It’s also worth considering whether the time and effort involved in such upgrades would be better invested in purchasing a speaker that already achieves the desired performance out of the box.

[@kdomster9141]

@@hoosierhifi5183 well, it is half truth, some 600usd speakers will use much better quality components that other 600usd speaker , proportional upgrade to 600usd speaker with 200usd of parts upgrade will vary with result of the upgrade as some 600usd speakers use a tweeter costing 15usd and sounding like it while some 600usd speakers will use much better quality tweeter costing 40usd but sounding better than some 90usd tweeters from some 3000usd speakers . My point is you can't assume as all speakers and upgrades a open book approach where you need to do intelligent analysis of what is worth to upgrade and how much to spend on what area of the speaker . Biggest point is when done wisely crossover and cabinet/posts/stands will make the speakers sound much cleaner and if they did cost much more than initial price spend on the speaker and upgrade .... Go for it and have fun observing the changes and make assessment used in your next projects . Yes even 10000usd speakers with stock crossover parts worth say 300usd can be upgraded to better quality and it will sound better , much better as drivers , cabinet, posts are all much better quality than in 600usd speaker so more expensive speaker makes more sense to upgrade. Example , Magico floor standers sold for 11000usd use Mundorf Caps worth 60usd (I know their sound and there is a ton of room for improvement with better Cap. So let's not smear the fact that upgrades almost always make sense if you care about sound quality .

[@1Hiprascal]

About 3, 4 years ago I really started getting into this hobby including KZbin videos. I viewed a ton, from many different channels. I learned about gear, tweaks, listening, acoustics... and the reviewers. Today I enjoy videos from Danny, Tarun, Hans, Erin, Shane, Mikey....Andrew's is among those I no longer spend time on.

[@behzad36]

Andrew said: "As long as a speaker sounds good, I don't care what parts are used inside it". His logic is sound, as the end goal is for a speaker to sound good.

[@mediascapes2011]

You got all these goodies beautifully laid out on your table, but the fact is all of it is problematic, a good speaker needs NO such x-over!! Why even touch that stuff, I am certain you know how to design a crossoverless speaker.

[@russellperry3605]

I have two pair of gr- research speakers and they are fine. Not my favorites, a bit flat for me. I was totally over Danny though when he thought he could improve a pair of Wilson’s and then improved a pair of Andrew Jones’s speakers . Please.

[@alexw890]

No one’s perfect, Mr. Jones included.

[@createachanneltopost]

When did Danny say that he could improve a pair of wilsons? He says frequently that he doesn't usually get those higher end speakers in because they already do a good job in design. In speakers that measure well, he will still provide a component upgrade that does make a difference.

[@adamfrost9048]

My GR-Research crossover upgrades were my first introduction to how speakers should really sound and led me down the right path in my audio journey which has brought me many hours of enjoyment. In my opinion after experiencing the upgrade experience myself, anyone who thinks negatively about it doesn't know what they are talking about or are biased for some financial or other self interest.

[@travisbishop7212]

Robinson is a snowflake ❄️

[@clarkschreiner3467]

I have pair of Timekeeper 2’s from Tyler Acousics designed by Danny. I hear new things in music I have been listening to for 50 years!! Amazing sound & detail. Danny is the real deal!!

[@seanb3303]

Andrew Robinson has an L shaped room with no treatment. His lack of any sidewall symmetry means he is not hearing what he is supposed to be hearing.

[@tysonn4736]

Oh that's the worst kind of room possible.

[@burton7023]

@seanb3303 even though Andrew is by far not my favorite person most people room is far from perfect the same speakers will sound very different in different rooms

[@seanb3303]

@@burton7023 for sure…don’t give up if your room is L Shaped…enjoy the music…but if you want to be a professional reviewer in a L shaped room…expect skepticism when you talk about sound staging, image, and anything related to stereo balance 😉

[@MilGrip76]

... and he believes that an 8 foot glass table in front of the listening position has no effect!? That is one clueless individual.

[@redpil1le____461]

If I’m not mistaken he doesn’t believe in speaker break-in either.

[@billybunter3753]

Let's just pretend for a moment that high quality crossovers don't make speakers sound better. I still prefer to know that they're in there seems as though I paid good money for them!

[@missinglinq]

The woman is insufferable. I stopped watching him years ago when he started force feeding us that person.

[@ChicagoRob2]

Especially when she hides behind the camera.

[@TheMirolab]

@@ChicagoRob2 Clearly she's hiding from rude "dudes" like you guys. She's had traumas in her past, and doesn't owe you anything. It's guys like you that drive women away from this hobby. I like her contributions!

[@5Antvin]

He's got a point .Don't like your speakers get a new pair - There's zillions out on the market Now if you like your speakers, and you can take them to another level then upgrades makes sense .Makes even more $ sense on older top model hi end speakers and are still great or used speakers that were purchased at a heavily discounted price leaving the buyer extra 🍞for potential upgrades - ultimately you do have to first like the speakers you own

[@memania-]

how many time did you contradict yourself? Honestly I think a video like that will make you more damage than just shutting it up and letting it go.

[@RLM-TV]

The world is full of intense ignorance, but through peace, there can be enlightenment in all things.

[@Wyoblair]

I may be wrong but I think most of you are missing the point. I don’t think he’s saying that good components don’t matter. He’s saying why spend money on something to turn around and “Fix” it. Just buy a better quality speaker instead.

[@dannyrichie9743]

I can understand why he might think that, however, it reality that is not at the case. That next bigger or more expensive model has the same budget level cheesy parts most of the time. Then you are faced with the same thing. You just have an even more expensive speaker that needs help too.

[@jamesbrotherton5487]

The chances are that the speaker that's upgraded will be better than the more expensive speaker is stock and you'll spend less money over all.

[@dominicdiclemente8877]

The industry standard markup is about 5x the bill of material costs. Imagine you start with a $1000 speaker, that speaker has about $200 in parts. If you bought a $2k speaker to get something better, that better speaker only spent an extra $200 in parts.

[@jamesbrotherton5487]

@@dominicdiclemente8877 Also factor in the loss you take when reselling your $1k speakers.

[@corymarcotte5853]

Problem is, those higher quality (more expensive) are using cheese also. Manufacturers, for the most part, don’t care. Because most people don’t care. As Danny said. You can’t know what your missing if your not exposed to it. I’m only saying this from personal experience. I grew up in an audiophile family. Thought I knew my s-it. Then I experienced a 80,000 dollar system. What more can I say.

[@labalo5]

The people that still think some of the big channels (AR) are authorities are nuts. They are pure entertainment. His production looks good cause he used to do photography and it obviously translates. GR can often speak of the value-add and their purpose of existence.

[@ArtOfMassDestruction]

This is all so childish and petty. Most notably all the 'fanboy' comments. So sad.

[@VinylBliss]

Recently I completed the Dennis Murphy Mod for my Pioneer SP-BS22 bookshelf speakers. I can say there absolutely was a great improvement in sound. The sound stage is now more expansive and deep with a smoother high end. I learned from practical hard proof: Crossovers matter. The original speakers were quite nice for the price but the upgrade took them to a new level.

[@toddclarke1580]

You are hot rodding speakers, and people are interested , end of story .

[@Larryldspkr]

I can't watch Andrew's video's, very superficial!

[@mrobbins2406]

❤Andrew, his reviews are straight talk and resonate with 99% of us hobbyists who despise the hate filled forums snobbery and people telling what me what I should like. Honestly, a bit arrogant to think he’s talking about you, he was referencing his career and what he’s seen over the years.

[@sean_heisler]

In this hobby I am much more like Danny than I am Andrew. But I like Andrew. I think your first point is spot on, Andrew’s audience is mostly the casual listener who wants good sound and is not obsessed over the details and with that what Andrew said about crossovers is probably valid. But to your second point, while I do know about Andrew’s past and that he himself was once madly obsessed to the point where he literally endured emotional and financial stress, he was in fact talking about Danny in his comment as well. No question. He’s mentioned Danny before. Andrew used to be an obsessed audiophile with systems costing tens of thousands and I get why he became the “recovering audiophile” when he walked away from it all but I think he’s swung too far and where he could remain positive and preach the lessons he’s learned he’s chosen to be negative about it and a bit snarky at times.

[@jonpatrick66]

Danny's a kind and professional educator. He doesn't smear people that lesser people might be tempted to smear or attack. I appreciate that quality in him. And at the same time educates a possible new bunch of people or follower's that might not be aware of the possibilities to problems that they're becoming aware of. Anyway, this was a good video. Thanks

[@jeffwaterman4855]

Well said

[@Dk_Shadowhunter]

Don't really know his channel. But he's not the one telling you hov bad a speaker is and then selling kit upgrades....

[@jamesbrotherton5487]

He's not just telling you, he's showing you with measurements. He upgrades speakers for people who send them to him because they're unhappy with the sound. He then offers the kit to those who may already own the speaker. Not everyone who sells things is dishonest.

[@Pete.across.the.street]

Andrew is telling you a part of a speaker is pretty bad and then is still recommending it. Waxes poetic about the downfalls to make them seem like they aren't that big of a deal.

[@mikehartigan2703]

The "Who cares?" part is what caused me to comment... Consider this, if someone is really into cars, especially sports cars, muscle cars, etc. They absolutely care about what is under the hood. In fact they probably care a lot about every part in the car. As for me, I am into electronics. I open almost everything up just out of curiosity.. So yeah, "who cares?" is a weird thing to say.

[@sean_heisler]

I agree. A lot of people don’t know his history, that he calls himself the recovering audiophile because he himself was once a madly obsessed audiophile with a six figure two channel system that he tweaked to death. He endured both financial and emotional distress from it and ultimately walked away from it. So I think he’s kind of running from his past and personally, back to your point, I don’t think he’s handling it well. To say “who cares” and then be so negative about it, basically disparaging those who do care about what’s “under the hood,” is where I think he’s chosen the wrong path in dealing with his past.

[@bw8827]

Hey Danny, I believe Robinson and yourself are both in Texas, so why not invite him round to prove your point ? 😊

[@dannyjonze]

He just did, didn't you watch the video?

[@dannyrichie9743]

I just did. I hope he comes.

[@barney6888]

I'll believe Andrew Robinson is an A.I. cartoon until I see him in person, in front of me. That channel is just nothing more than a long commercial.

[@jasontimothywells9895]

dannyrichie9743 that would be a good video . Danny you are the Mike Tyson of speakers hands down . Let's get ready to rumble 😅

[@db-dy7tf]

​@@barney6888 His voice creeps me out too. I always thought it was digitally enhanced.

[@kennybofish]

I find it fascinating that we are being told that you need a special room set up to listen to your speakers in the real world are a least in my world our entertainment is usually set up in our living area , everyone doesn't have the luxury of have a dedicated listen room

[@hifipi3.14]

Watch the video again, he's specifically referring to reviewers, even goes out of his way to explain he's not talking about customers lol.

[@AverageNiceGuy]

I'm still rocking the Carnegie CST-1's with upgraded crossovers and no-rez, and loving it 😎👍