Grubby DISCOVERS HWEI! The Invoker of League of Legends!

Check out the original Spotlight video here: • Hwei Champion Spotligh...
The Visionary Hwei has finally made it to live servers, and I can't wait to get my hands on his overloaded kit! Let's see what the Invoker of League of Legends is capable of!
Grubby DISCOVERS HWEI! The Invoker of League of Legends! (Live on 6-December-2023)
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[@requiem-girl]

I was an art student at two separate universities. I know at least five different guys exactly like Hwei, and hearing him speak fills me with a rage you can only understand if you have ever had to listen to someone like him talk for 45 minutes of his 15 minute presentation about why his project is actually the next coming of fucking Michelangelo.

[@DoctorStrange01]

So it means Riot did a great job with the archetype and lore then if it pisses you off just as much as real human painters/artists 😂

[@xDamage69]

thats fkin hilarious

[@yuliia-san5609]

I'm sorry for your experience))

[@krd5709]

And they're not even that good, even for pastiche (speaking as a creative writing student who has encountered self-professed literary messiahs)

[@FollowGrubby]

ROFLLLLL

[@Wabinator]

On your bottom bar, next to your champ's portrait there are 3 buttons. If you click the green or blue one, you can pin your character's stats or the runes stats to the bar so you don't have to hold the C button

[@amare2014]

wait whaaaat

[@aeroshv23]

This might be the best new champ video I have seen in 10 years of league. You ask yourself the best questions and I feel like I'm learning the champ with you which is really helpful. Please consider making this a series for League.

[@smievil]

his dota videos where pretty interesting.

[@neonwargaming5536]

I really enjoy him discovering all the champs this game has to offer 😊

[@3_MiL]

ye this game is fucking great

[@specificocean4176]

​@@3_MiL finally someone says it

[@ZEFFENWULF]

Im gonna insta lick when he eventually tries Jhin, Irelia, Zed, Akali, Yasuo, Yone or Camille

[@Ragna0602]

@@3_MiL dota2 >>>

[@dawnwatching6382]

It's so cool that you know Phreak. He mentioned you in his newest patch note video as well!

[@NaldaxTV]

That's cool, do you know at what time he mentions grubby roughly? :)

[@dawnwatching6382]

@@NaldaxTV Just checked the video transcript, it's from around 24:48

[@nartdarym4237]

​@@dawnwatching6382wow 👍

[@NaldaxTV]

Thanks!@@dawnwatching6382

[@yuliia-san5609]

🌚

[@nosleep268]

6:38 I had to like and save this video for the sole reason of that bald statement that came out for NO REASON 😂😂😂

[@piplion9264]

thats grimstoke + invoker brush + invokation hahaha 5:47 "ill spam my botton and see what will happen" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheJerbol]

Lol your chat is wild. Same frame you get, 'So this is invoker for idiots?' and 'So he's way more complicated than invoker'

[@FollowGrubby]

I can't control them... I try to teach balance, but... xD

[@dark3031]

It sort of became his signature phrase now "tons of anything", even though it all started from "tons of damage".

[@evsya7674]

Should also take a look at Aphelios, the previously most complicated champ before this as an ADC. It eventually got balanced but that was one hell of a release.

[@TheJerbol]

He's much more complicated than Hwei imo. 5 guns, all interacting with each other differently depending what's in your off-hand and how you use q/ult. Hwei just has more abilities, but they're all super straightforward

[@TheJerbol]

Release Aphelios infernum ult one-shotting whole teams was absolutely wild XD

[@evsya7674]

Yeah i thought about it after also, Hwei only has more abilities on paper, but Aphelios is a lot more complex when it comes to combinations and gameplay

[@FollowGrubby]

Got it!

[@dragocrafterr8286]

@@FollowGrubbyYeah Aphelios’ difficulty isn’t mechanical but forward thinking based But Riot confirmed he was directly inspired by Invoker and trying to make a League/Non mage version

[@Xarick]

As a guy who doesn't play league, seems like mephisto and orphea and lucio smashed together. :o I wonder if stun or knock up attacks will disrupt your combination que.. and how will be play early game with no abilites for combos.. :o

[@KingJerbear]

Really love watching you dive into League of Legends. It's making me appreciate the game again, as I personally stopped playing several years ago (although I still tend to follow the professional scene). It's very interesting to see the design of the newer champions, as well as your reactions to the existing characters and mechanics. I also love your approach to trying out new champs, where you spend some time in the practice tool and even think of hypothetical situations that may arise. I used to just pick the champ in a Normal game and wing it... typically rather unsuccessfully.

[@kane-111]

6:38 LMAO

[@entropyfun]

Ah Riot, the masters of balanced play

[@xblast2701]

I cant wait to see how Grubby will react to the new season items

[@nickmilo932]

my guy, he's still reacting to the already existing items xD

[@veselinvetov2544]

The best thing is that a pro player started League and shares with us his process of learning, amazing without any shitpromos clitches or whatever. Even tho i am pretty familiar with the game i enjoy watching him thinking, asking questions and discovering new things amazing. Continue please even if you pick another game i would watch.

[@yuliia-san5609]

Hi Grubby!) 6:14 Now I get why he appearing on streams of some famous youtubers/streamers 😵‍💫

[@LemonArbor]

You need to try Shen top to learn about side lane pressure

[@weeirrdcat]

Yes! Please play Shen, he's a bit like a mix between Dehaka and Brightwing from HotS

[@testbug01]

I want to suggest this as well, Shen+Teleport is good for top lane beginners to learn about Macro of top laner Also, wanna see how he use his R

[@nickmilo932]

tryndamere: yeah so I'll just take this nexus real quick

[@whatdothlife4660]

While League isn't my cup of tea it's always fun to join you in exploring new games. I think Riot may have taken inspiration from how Smite made their Invoker style hero Merlin.

[@thevillageelder566]

@whatdothlife4660 Red blue and purple classes reminded me of Merlin as well. And pick one skill and get variation is similar to other smite gods like ishtar, Morgan le fay q or tiamat ranged ult.

[@GrotslagBrickface]

This is the Hwei

[@20marzboy]

Been watching you since hots, love that your playing league now! I personally have been playing hwei support and he's worked out well so far, lots of poke but can do utility with speed up to rush down opponents and shield is alot stronger than it seems at first. You can try him mid but until he gets a few more buffs on cool downs I think sup best spot for him. Keep up the great work!

[@FollowGrubby]

Hmm interesting! Should maybe try!

[@nickmilo932]

considering he has decent CC and utility for engage + a lot of poke I can see it

[@feitopuns]

I used to play invoker back in the day so glad Hwei feels so fun too bad we dont have tornado emp, dagger, guinsoo scythe of vyse, force staff and Eul's scepter

[@dantefromdevilmaycry9857]

LOL I remember assassinating Sniper and support heroes in the back line with Invis, Necronomicon, Lava Spawn, Guinsoo, and Orchid then just going full menace on everyone else when their on cooldown either run or I just die after.

[@hwgh]

Another champion called Orianna had a ult miscast problem, similar issue to what you described. Some years ago they added a 0.75 second cooldown for her ult when some events happen, as a quality of life thing. Maybe this new champion works the same way? i.e. Maybe when HWEI cancels a spellbook the ult enters a 0.75 second cooldown to prevent miscast?

[@xetanth87]

It's interesting that they are calling the submenus "Spellbooks" because that's the name of the Warcraft III ability that lets you have submenus with abilities

[@Vatarify]

Seriously enjoying your League content Sir Grub

[@MOEMOEKYUNBEAM]

People think this hero is complex and similar to Invoker but the shared cooldown per book really hampers what he can do in a teamfight after you blow your initial combo because you lock yourself out of damage spells for a good 10 seconds and utility spells for about 15 seconds so basically you're a one pump chump that blows his load and then just gets to cast one useful spell at a time every 2 business days. Also a good chunk of his spells are just "X skill shot that does damage and maybe slows them" doesn't have the CC or survivability that comes close to Invoker.

[@Kaygu_]

Oh on, I want to play League again

[@svenjard]

maybe youd like to try Ryze or Katarina for the 'smash the keyboard to win' champs. haha

[@kalorathekau]

14:17 Sounds like I got a message on my phone

[@EtherealHOTS]

Omg! I want this kind of hero in Hots too

[@cangrexX]

im doing the complete oposite, going from league to dota and it's blowing my mind xD i feel like lol is easier to get started, it doesn't help i want to play storm spírit and it's blocked for 100hs i think? idk i hope it's less

[@yenick5240]

Was interesting how the other day grubby was being sarcastic about power creep in league. Then chat mentioned how many of the champs in his match were over 10 years old, which I think suprised him. This new guy has a whopping 30 percent win rate on launch, riot does ultimately keep its older champs strong so they don't all get crept

[@thedog5k]

16:44 True Kwak. It's true.

[@skd]

It will cause massive damage in pro games and lots of reports in soloque :)

[@ags8507]

fear doesnt update when caster moves, fear direction is calculated when the spell hits, not when cast, thats why they run in a different direction if you cast and flash

[@UncleForHire]

I like how most commenters are hwei veterans with 10+ years of experience with his abilties and items even though he was released a few days ago.

[@zedus4042]

Wait I never knew that but is Phreak really the one voicing champion sporlights if I understood it correctly from this video?

[@Javano_]

Yes, he always has been.

[@zedus4042]

wow that's so crazy to me lol, all these years and I had no clue@@Javano_

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

Riot got bored of putting abilities that do a million things on every champ so the just put a million abilities on this one

[@lc1540]

Hwei's sitting on 30% WR lmao. Riot finally managed to make a champion that's not broken on release by nerfing it into the ground.

[@ZargorrOG]

He was made for the new season + he takes time to learn. And they already buffed him, watch as he becomes one of the best champions in the game throught the month and then they will have to nerf him every patch for months, like Briar

[@jorgovan-ni9kz]

That champion has few known weird bugs. So much so it would confuse even a pro player. Theres one bug where after u put ward near you and try to do ability u won't be able to, for how long idk... It's crazy but riot is same like blizzard except blizzard had Warcraft before which has no bugs in my recollection. I wish more companies were like ones behind Elden ring or Baldurs gate 3. And just release something without any bugs

[@nuudles982]

damn he pick up so fast

[@Ruukasu97]

the narrator is the head of the balancing team and is themost known Rioter, everyone knows him, he has been the face of legue since the beginning

[@wabbajack8283]

When the tournament was still called "Phreak's Basement" lmao

[@HexJK]

He's not that strong right now because he's balanced around the next set of items, but he's pretty fun to play.

[@milosmilosmilos]

Huawei?

[@blackwomangamer2637]

+500 credit

[@takumifujiwara300]

Grubby really thought Riot balances things xd They don't

[@justrose4905]

in past riot said they wont another aphelios which was last their that complex champ, meanwhile now:

[@sazzowl_gaming8203]

I like that Riot is now in a position where they can make very niche champions! Now we need a micro managing one with constant uptime. I would like something like Samuro from HOTS

[@en.D_gaming]

yeah Hwei is hot in LoL now, and i think it's not different from Invoker in dota 😂

[@miragetv1718]

Walmart Invoker

[@dpad_]

tf is an invoker?

[@KT-ly2tr]

It's rather annoying to see Silver chatters sharing their "knowledge" of the game and being terribly wrong.

[@reveirg9]

Discount Invoker lol. Shared cooldown means less micro on the cd timings and without items like Eul/Hex Forcestaff it's overall less challenging to play Hwei as compared to Invoker

[@boyonthephone4331]

Yooo Grubby, just wanted to tell you that IWillDominate actually would very much love to teach you some stuff/help you learn/understand whatever you want to know. Not sure if you know him, he was a Warcraft player before swapping to league

[@FollowGrubby]

Got it!

[@HyuchaKyrie]

he is strong but tricky to use, there are so many options that sometimes u dont know what to do and when

[@QuintillionLOL]

Hi Grubby, Love your content. Can you play Sylas next time😊

[@NaldaxTV]

Sylas is awesome but not great for Grubby because of his Ultimete. He probably needs to know a bit more about other champions' ults

[@FollowGrubby]

Is he like rubick in how he steals abilities?@@NaldaxTV

[@unalman21]

We need a gameplay from you.

[@mery2488]

Grubby, i really enjoy seeing you learn and advance in league. Can you try Briar next? She is fun.

[@garagavia]

I'd love that cause I just returned to the game and I have no idea what that champion does yet

[@mery2488]

@@garagavia you either kill or get killed 😂 but she is fun. Flying across the map to change a fight is so satisfying.

[@Hmida32]

Bro you should react to a high elo game to see what skilled playing looks like

[@Wonback]

Zed next?

[@CZ2_Delta]

Wait till he checks Briar xdd

[@Elite_JSM]

cant wait for him to become a challenger hwei otp

[@BaronVonScrub]

So. Not a joke or meme at all. I typed "Grubby" into the search bar, and it gave me a popup for the local suicide hotline?? Any idea why that would be? Lmao

[@FollowGrubby]

I never had that

[@scy22]

Introverted invoker in a blouse... with paint. That one guy around the Riot brainstorming table was super excited about this concept, while the others dared not speak out in fear of the diversity, equity, and inclusion police.

[@dwayne8273]

If all league players did this....using sandbox instead of trolling ranked games

[@KolyaUrtz]

So its basically oversimplified invoker with way less strategic and tactical freedom.

[@BruhMeme85]

depressed femboy invoker if he didnt get accepted into artschool

[@ags8507]

incoming accounts named austrian painter

[@xrsma]

The daily disappointment when Grubbys new upload is a LOL video again :( love the wc3 content so much ❤

[@BrendanZanitCoen]

aphelios is also complex. with less control

[@seb7271]

It would look like we’ll maybe have another Ryze situation. Hwei will either have super high win rate or extremely low like the 30% win rate he had on release.

[@feitopuns]

ofcourse he will have low wr he is not a simple chp

[@theteamxxx3142]

TBH some of his AP ratio are really low while on his R it's really high so if he's underpower they could buff ap ratios of Q E nerf R and maybe buff some stats or lower mana costs (it's not a problem mana cause his w is just TF blue card ) . He's a control mage so we might see him competitive ... or maybe not because he might struggle into syndra LB etc

[@seb7271]

@@feitopuns Aphelios is arguably a more mechanically demanding and harder champ but has never been under a 43% winrate, which happened 2 years after release. A champion not being “simple” does not seem to be a significant enough factor to explain a 30% winrate.

[@feitopuns]

@@seb7271 yep a champion that is an adc that has a support yep let's see 2 yrs ago which is s11 a season for engage supports meanwhile briar is still low risk high reward

[@seb7271]

@@theteamxxx3142 Hopefully Riot can improve the situation. I just don’t want to see another 200 years situation. Neither would I want Hwei mains to descend into madness after years of low winrate like Ryze mains have. Although, it’s hard to say if there are any Hwei mains considering the abnormally low P/B rate for a new champ. Which is something that could further explain the problem.

[@blackstreak02]

damn League now taking from Dota this is dope

A low budget transexual invoker, very modern.

[@ahkoukyoussef]

please play Sion. he is cheap and bulky just like me

[@thedog5k]

13:48 So many bad opinions in chat

[@skullchimes]

Too bad Hwei is kind of underpowered right now, I wish the qq ability did more damage for what it is, primary damage source

[@MaxedEntropy]

Q-E for waveclear and poke just seems to be always better than Q-Q at his current state, i'm surprised the beta testing didn't reveal that his Q-Q was barely worth casting

[@Fox-in-the-north]

League and balance don't belong in the same sentence

[@adamamentia2678]

It's kinda sad this champ conceptually really cool, but is probably the weakest mid laner ever released (at least on release). I seen some statistics showing about a 30% win rate before the hot fix buffs, also most challenger level players I'm aware of said he was complete garbage. He should be a little better with the upcoming item changes tho

[@spirtishspirtulescu4324]

play azir pls

[@landi2244]

Each spell has a unique time and place. do your wtf with gthoh.

[@NOFOCKYOU]

Hwei with the school shooter voice lines

[@andrewvader1955]

The graphics and how everyone can hide is silly to me.

[@Tabnito]

This is the weakest a champion has been released. I liked ivern and aurelion sol on release and did really well on them, they both needed hotfixes and buffs. Hwei has a 28% win rate in 33,000 games. He is essentially only good for safe waveclear mid and thats it, no roaming. If you fight a zed or talon good luck with the lowest base movespeed and 18 base armor. So far he has so many options and none of them are the correct one.

[@feitopuns]

Phreak is a legendary champion spotlight voice narrator but bad at addressing comunnity feedback as a lead balance

[@theadmiral4157]

He skipped the other champs yo

[@CorvinCostinus]

Mortal Kombat

[@AlexusMagnum]

Do you play Mobile Legends: Bang Bang? Thank you for the cool content always!

[@GAMZ1312]

Nah that's game is trash, they always copying Hero design from another games

[@AlexusMagnum]

​@@GAMZ1312Hahhaha that's what my friend says!! But hey it looks better than HOTS😅

[@seb7271]

⁠@@AlexusMagnumThe only reason Mobile Legends still exists is because China doesn’t really have copyright laws.

[@angel_of_rust]

it's Invoker if he was an insufferable art student femboy with childhood trauma. so a zoomer Invoker.

[@12MYCRYL17]

this champion is surprisingly easy. his w combos are bad at scaling. if they are going to balance someone, it should be ksante and briar anyway, hope you won't fall in dota, since LoL usually "weakens" dota players when they play dota coming from LoL Grimvoker looks bad. should have made him look... ARTISTIC

[@Dar1vetra]

Nononono, pls dont call it "invoker from lol" its not even close

[@HmmStar]

invoker from wish kekw

[@sumitramahapatra2313]

AintnoHwei

[@Mecanotech]

The sad thing of League is... Only some champions are meta by the season.

[@abunja]

Which is? SoloQue meta or pro play meta? The glaring difference is that pros select champions that are consistent. The more consistent it is, the less mistakes it'll make. Also they take the patch buffs into consideration and take what advantages they'll get. Also take into consideration that not all pro players have mastered a huge champion pool so they choose safe champions or counterpicks for safe play.

[@Octarinecore-00]

Cheap copy of invoker.

[@veselinrankov7322]

Dota2 fanboys think that Riot actually cares about what Dota2 does

[@gusti3811]

What reference is this champ from?

[@yarikyaryi]

Terrible character design, though pretty ordinary femboy for league and other asian games, and kinda boring abilities taken from other champions with just different animations. Riot run out of ideas.

[@mango-float]

Not a fan of his design but I'm enjoying his kit

[@lexsdragon1554]

Lmao

[@theteamxxx3142]

Briar was pretty revolutionary as concept and she was released 1-2 months ago

[@yarikyaryi]

@@theteamxxx3142 yeah, little wannabe vampire girl. Nice concept, so original. Also nothing special in her skills. There are pretty similar in both league and other mobas.

[@lexsdragon1554]

@@yarikyaryi can you name some "original" humanoid characters from league released recently?

[@TimeTraveler343]

Ngl, totally not enjoying this series of him playing League of Legends.. Dota 2 was more fun and is overall a better game.

[@Javano_]

Don't watch it then...?

[@TimeTraveler343]

i don't, thanks@@Javano_

[@FollowGrubby]

My DOTA2 is on @GrubbyPlays

[@Blagno4]

They very obviously based the idea on FF14's Ninja class and it's not a bad idea, it works well

[@saki1333]

How will they balance him ? Like alwise, the champ will be either broken or they'll knee cap him so only a few dedicated mains play him. That's how it usually works 😅

[@miriamkapeller6754]

Balancing always has to center around the most skilled players with a champion, which means he will be useless to the average player.