CIG asked for feedback, so here it is... Part 1 (Vehicle Balance)

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[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

Thank you to @Camural for sorting them all out

[@Pa1ad1no]

Your uploads are always welcome, Grumpy!

[@solomonmitchell6048]

Grumpy has returned!!

[@Faytless]

CIG asking players for feedback is brave, very very brave.

[@JagHiroshi]

Beam eye tracker looks interesting! As for SC, that's just becoming a meme in 2024. I'm glad you step in to comment from time to time.

[@HarenunHoppus]

This would be useful when i play/suffer in war thunder

[@CptFugu]

This survey will turn out to be useless. Most of the people filling it are not active players.

[@dasofdoom]

It's ridiculous to demand a specific meta be catered to when we don't even have a functional game. Server caps mean that we aren't having real fleet engagements. Balance needs to centre around a fleet. Not one specific ship For E.g, a hammerhead and fighters vs. fighters should win. The hammerhead alone shouldn't win but should be impenetrable in an area denial situation vs. small numbers of light fighters. But also a solo large ship with unmanned turrets should also be stomped So no. CIG shouldn't make solo space. dads flying multicrew without turrets be meta..

[@freddygeurts9105]

CIG asked for feedback, so here it is....wel how about the ATLS-scam...its a hot toppic right now !!!

[@frogger2011ify]

And they are deleting any feedback they dont like They need to do away with master modes, add armour and mass to ships, fix the collision detection and then they can ballance weapons and finalize weapon types. Buuut no they dont wanna do and probably cant do any of that

[@Venhili]

They're not getting rid of master modes. It's the SQ42 flight model, and they need to be the same models as sq42 is the hook to hring casuals into the pu

[@steadydriftin3765]

Not so sure about that the majority of the thread is negative

[@Venhili]

@@steadydriftin3765 that doesn't matter.

[@steadydriftin3765]

@Venhili what doesn't matter? I was replying to the guy talking about deleting comments not you

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

I think they got the message across about MM and frankly I am confident echos went in Chris' ears. Should they fuck you up with MM will be in 3 to 6 months for little to some thinking, feasibility delay tweaks

[@Biggerfoot]

Bro i think at this point everyone would get there moneys worth watching this game die and watch chris implode and lose that double chin

[@N1ghtR1der666]

I reluctantly tried MM for the first time last night and its worse than I expected, its so much more confusing just to fly your ship now, not to mention nightmare levels of slow

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@N1ghtR1der666 it takes some time to get used to. But once you do, you start seeing the actual issues with it.

[@Casey093]

Always great to hear from you, Grumpy! No matter when we only see you once every few months, because honestly... what more is there to talk about in SC?

[@ArtemisTGM]

What happened to that G11 vehicle players paid for 7 years ago.. 😅

[@Aeternum_Gaming]

what happened to the BMM people paid for in 2013... ... ... ...or the orion...the list goes on

[@HarenunHoppus]

@@Aeternum_Gamingand the backlog grows and grows

[@mrdashin8323]

They deleted my feedback and temp banned me.

[@HarenunHoppus]

This will make the stasi blush with that kind of censorship

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

what did you say though?

[@Red_ger]

The chat... The best chat system I ever exoerienced was WoW. It was easy to understand and quick to use and chat with the ppl you wanted to. Whisper, group, raid, all ...

[@Marlax-101]

idk about fighters but they have already talked about soft spots on ships years ago. places like ejection pods ect are thinner armored and such and with fighters soon they will be having the aerodynamic physics and engineering which will affect their flight a lot more from being hit in a fight.

[@younboyce7068]

The tec demo was just a bunch of players jammed on a server it was hilarious

[@nicg1331]

Your intro is always legendary

[@Libertas_P77]

Your input, as usual, is just keeping it real.

[@Emperor.of.Mankind]

Master modes are shit. lol old model was way better.

[@Biggerfoot]

Yea they are deleting feedback they dont like, I have done feed back on all of these and 6 of them got deleted

[@Crazy-Chicken-Media]

They won't be able to balance the ship they're just going to come out with ships that have more firepower in the same class, They want to balance it they got to keep it simple light fighters that only have the firepower to go up against medium fighters, with difficulty. No light fighter should ever be able to take out anything bigger than a medium And so on and so forth. rmc value needs to be cut in half, cm needs to be a little bit more than doubled not by much, They need to stay close within themselves to make it worth going after both, And to really add a level of difficulty they shouldn't be able to crush a ship unless a certain amount of RMC has been harvested. Salvage missions need to be completely balanced out it's ridiculous you pay $5,000 and $10,000 for the exact same ship with very little payout I think the cargo that you find on them is plenty. then let's talk about the fact that you can't crush a ship unless the power's off but you go to turn off the power and the ship already has no power... That needs to be looked at That's all I have time to put down I got to go back to work

[@Storm-Cleaver]

Great vid, Grumpy! I'm pretty much on the same page as you for the feedback, but, since I mostly use EM Prox missiles, I hadn't realized that the IR and CS missiles were still trash. I don't use CS because I'm impatient and usually going too fast, so there's no time to lock on when you reach max range, before I do, I hit min range and I'm switching to guns. I do love the Rattlers, but, until the fight is going, EM is usually higher than IR, so, again, easier to get a lock.

[@665Jan83]

The components should bring in the positioning. Possibly, maybe.

[@Brian-us2xz]

If anything, I am annoyed with people saying it is just face tanking. I had a guy is discord crying about mastermodes constantly, when you finally drag him into mm arena commander and he gets tooled, he won't admit it requires skill because combat is super dangerous, no tricording out at max speed now. As for missiles, counter measures work, too well I would argue.

[@HardMode..]

💯 multicrew ships should be the meta, but that makes too much sense for CIG

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

ROFL The only feedback that matters is Chris. MM is here to stay. It is dumbed down mode, but when you play on controllers and eye the console market, MM makes your smooth brain happy.

[@Cmdr_V]

Bruh just look at the settings your never getting that much on a controller lmao

[@steppahouse]

@15:52 - I think that's an NPC Reclaimer bug though. They have had perma-shields for a while now. I hit one with 2x Panthers and a entire mag on my Cutty's default ballistics, all aimed at the same rear shield face. It never dropped below 100%.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

I tested it on a friend's ship, because I already saw that it's doing NOTHING to other players. I rarely do pve...

[@steppahouse]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming Gotcha. Did the shields drop at all on a pvp ship?

[@CornOnTheCop]

Good to see you doing a SC related video. I've missed you. 👮‍♂️

[@alistairbuckle3450]

Are you the new CIG game Soulsinger? How can I buy the souls? Asking for a friend.

[@Thearmiktz]

Are you talking about that cool new persistent community driven mech game? I heard that Jared is playing a mission giver. Yeah, can my soul have a flame 🔥 $5 skin? I heard they are like 40 bucks for the starting one (no game package, obviously), but don't worry they will be purchasable in game cash by the next 2 patches.

[@Accuracy158]

OMG!!!!! Grumpy came back to us!!!!!

[@maxjergens]

Great show, Grumpy. Your perspective is greatly missed.

[@WitchzzzX]

Countermeasures do very little. Funny enough i was interdicted today and absolutely railed by a cutty and size 1 EM'S. Sometimes it can be quite aggrevating.

[@arthurvartanov2573]

They must remove this shield regeneration delay when you hit from ships like it was before and ballance shield regeneration rate and all problems big ships have now will gone. No matter how big you shield is even if its s4 shield you have 5 sec regeneration delay when you hit it means any small ship even aurora can drain it non stop firing..

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Yep. Or make it a delay (size shield - gun size) = recharge delay. If you have a size 3 shield getting hit by size 2 guns, no recharge delay.

[@NSAgent]

I mean CIG needs to make a game first of all but also guys SC cannot be a complicated space flight sim anymore, canes like that are for small niche audiences and SC can't be sustained by a small audience any longer

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

And both groups are leaving in mass. There are alot bigger issues than ship balance right now..

[@jodyboi716]

My friend and I were talking about master modes a couple of days ago and this is what we came up with. The main problem is multi crew ships get hosed when trying to run away or if they get snatched out of quantum. So we came up with this when entering in NAV mode your shields stay up, your speed is halved and you lose your pilot guns but manned turrets stay on. Now the speed of every ship needs to be increased in combat mode to implement this. CIG and other people need to understand “this is coming from mostly a cargo and mining player” it’s ok if the “pro” pilot 1v5’s people like really if you trained every day in something you should be able to wipe the floor with a bunch of noobs if I go up against someone that’s been only doing PVP and they shit on me, ya no shit I rarely PVP that’s not because there using the meta ship I just suck. Great video btw.

[@carlosfernandez7706]

Master modes simply needs to go, there is no good from arcadey changing modes.

[@theamericanaromantic]

You know my name is...

[@ShanerTheGrey]

Yeah but they didn’t say they would listen

[@pawe6199]

Gladius? You meant Bucc? Do You even play currently?

[@Cmdr_V]

"i havent played but im going to give feedback" ok grump lol

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

you're acting like it changed so much that it's an unrecognizable game now.. like it's out of alpha lol what are you talking about?

[@Patchaism]

waiting for part 2

[@matthewsmith7947]

I remember planetside 1s squad layouts back in rhe day which was good

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

PS1 was my first love. Team play dropping on bases or rolling armor was tops.

[@matthewsmith7947]

@@Kyle-sr6jm yep I loved that game played alot of it back in the day with my outfit

[@cookiebandit101]

Missile dedicated ships will have multilock and missile spam thats not going away sorry. If anything missiles suck atm and need to be way way stronger.

[@Cmdr_V]

Press R once after selecting a target and watch their engines fall off in one shot lol

[@1aatlas]

Hey man, hope ur doing well.

[@jimflagg4009]

Another good one.

[@Keithsciguy]

What's your music name where can I find it. I randomly sing your intro like a song from the radio stuck in my head. I like the sound of your music

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

you can find some on this channel that I did specifically for this audience, but you can find the rest of it under Aleksandar Stanojkovic or Mrzovoljno Oko on youtube and spotify.. or just check my website (it's in the video description)

[@okamiexe1501]

Grumpy will never like this comment... Or maybe he will

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

I wont

[@carlosfernandez7706]

Marcade Modes needs to go, its horrible and those changing modes please no.

[@GamerDudester]

Gladius is not meta brother. Its buccaneer now.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@GamerDudester that's why they took it's shields

[@GamerDudester]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming yeah, but light fighters are really bad now in the current meta. Its all about the interceptors.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@GamerDudester and that's why they're nerfing the bucc, so the gladius would be the meta again.

[@GamerDudester]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming haha maybe maybe. But Gladius still falling behind things like Avenger, 325A, m50

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@GamerDudester those are still one seater light fighters. sure you can call them interceptors because they're faster, but again.. multicrew is where it should be with this game

[@TairnKA]

When you were mentioning size one missiles (11:40), I remembered outfitting my Cutlass Black with 40 size ones. I wonder what would be more effective, the above loadout or a max load (16 missiles?) of size two "Rattlers" (7 mini=missiles each)? ;-)

[@Fonsecaj89]

And the feedback was that all is a buggy trash and deserve jail for the big scam they are running?

[@meyatetana2973]

can they seperate pvp from pve players?

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Nope

[@DerHerbman]

yes

[@linkmasterms]

The old model was shit, mastermodes are better

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

My dear, if high ceiling is to select few that truly are superior then... the system is bad as to pevemt flow. Flow to balance area for dominance. As long as metrics show the avg joe 0000 improvements on his own volution and a bit of determination then the system is bad gameplay. It does nit mean yogi snd team are morons by any means, it means the system offers 0 natural growth and 100% you get it right away or you are fucked, which i hope now you realize what a bad system is ???? Now learning to become a pro let say SC vidéo tutorials that CIG truly hopes will solve all is a misconception. You know you understand the system and master it right away over others that appears to struggle to the point they are, feel, look dumb, are you going to share as a backer, no you ain't. You stick to basis, know your ship and pull the stick to keep up tsrget alignement, but beside that, you wont share. Thats where we ate at. Picking up the system in depth and its strength, caveats might exist but is hush hush; therefore is a terrible system

[@Cpt_Kakashi]

thoughts about soulsinger? 😂

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@Cpt_Kakashi it's gonna be in one of the upcoming parts

[@rubentaiartinger2640]

I wrote my personal Feedback to every thread and i hope it helps to make sc better, took me one hour; greets from germany --> expg_pham :-D