GSD vs HSD | Which one is right for you?

[@Joseph-jy5lz]

Great review on selecting right choice for people. The transmission selection was very useful. Pit they don't have a Rohloff although it sounds like the HDS does have an internal gear option. keep up the good work and stay safe

[@Propelbikes]

They have Rohloff on the new GSD video now. I should probably make an updated version of this video now :)

[@striatic]

A pretty good video but I think it misses big on a very, very important quality of the HSD; its improved Transportability over the GSD. When you really think about the day to day usability of your bike, this can have massive implications. The HSD is a little over 56 pounds, stock. Many transit systems place a 55 pound limit on bikes they allow on their front racks. Pop the battery and possibly the Yepp seat off your HSD and you are ready to VASTLY expand your transportation range by doing Bike/Bus combination travel. The GSD is significantly overweight to even attempt this. The HSD may thus be capable of handling the last few miles of your otherwise train or bus dominated commute, whereas the GSD is very unlikely to be. You may also want to go somewhere in your car, then bike once you get there. The GSD is a beast. Difficult to fit in another vehicle. You will want a very heavy duty rear bike rack to even attempt carrying it outside your vehicle. The HSD will fit inside more cars, as well as outside cars on more racks. This will open up riding opportunities on the HSD that would be highly impractical or impossible on the GSD. Even just carrying the bike up stairs and over curbs. Unfortunately not all public spaces are perfectly accessible yet and you may need to lift your bike, even just to help it snake into a storage location. The lower weight of the HSD will be a big benefit for these mundane but muscle testing moments.

[@Propelbikes]

This is excellent feedback. I had one day to make three videos of the HSD and you’re totally right about missing this point. I think these points are worth calling out for sure and I appreciate you doing so. I will also note that I didn’t have a car readily available, but I will consider using one as a prop in a future video when relevant. I don’t use a car much in my daily life, but I know many do so I should think about that more in the future. Thanks again for your feedback.

[@nija1976]

@@Propelbikes As well as weight, the 2.4 “ wide tires on the gsd wont fit into the transit busses rack in the SF Bay Area.

[@Propelbikes]

@@nija1976 That sure does stink. Great feedback again! I appreciate you sharing.

[@littlegreen5845]

But ... isn’t the gsd s10 is about 59 lb vs hsd 54 lb isn’t much different after removing the battery for public transport? Maybe the price point is significant ... the s00 at 71 lb is definitely too heavy. A trade off for that extra weight cargo for sure.

[@striatic]

Aimee Taylor Many public transit services have a 50lb limit for their racks. It is impossible to get the GSD under this limit. Removing the battery from the HSD puts it under the limit. Those 5 additional pounds might as well be 50 pounds as far as the regulations are concerned.

[@DanielLopes-jt8yl]

Very informative in a relaxing manner that allows absorbing the content better. Wonderful bike GSD been looking at Tern for a while. Nice in thinking about the little guy (money constraints), by making such an affordable version-has me eye balling it again.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Daniel! I really appreciate your comments. I'm still learning, but it's good to have feedback like this. Let us know if we can help.

[@ihsankib]

Thank you for this review!

[@airsks]

I am holding my money for next GSD S00with a carbon belt drive, and a front suspension fork.

[@MichaelSmith-kp1nd]

I'm really interested in this line of bikes and this video was really helpful. Hoping to pick one up soon!

[@Propelbikes]

Glad it was helpful Michael! Let me know if we can help further :)

[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

Propel Electric Bikes I am seriously shopping now and your guys have been very helpful. I just want a Gen 4 motor, the widest tires, suspension and double battery ability but these qualities are split between the GSD and HSD. Why would I want to pay $4k+ for the GSD when it has a Gen 2 motor and not have suspension? I would get it otherwise. Why can’t the HSD have wider tires or double battery capability? I would get it otherwise.

[@djedUVprojector]

The level of "design" in both of these bikes is market leading. "Cargo" bikes are what eBikes are about. They are a motorised exoskeleton like in Aliens film but with wheels...

[@christopherhoffer2393]

Very helpful. Thank you. Have you heard any release date (generally) for the HSD S+ ?

[@Propelbikes]

Thank you! The S+ will be early Spring from what I understand. The P9 and S8i will be early next year.

[@ashleydruve]

Great review thank you.

[@JulianWiersbitzki]

What I am wondering: If you have something installed in the back, how do you change the battery/ies on the HSD/GSD?

[@Propelbikes]

You can charge the battery on the bike, but some cargo configurations can make it difficult to remover the battery.

[@jergoz]

But an Uphill Load Test?

[@StarEssences]

Are 20" rims tall enough to carry pannier bags from ground clearance? I would desire one for not only reccreational riding, but also for long distance biketouring as traveling on the following types of surface grounds: 1) pavement 2) paths 3) hard pack dirt to light gravel fire road trails.

[@illiiilli24601]

With a normal back rack on other 20 inch bikes, you'll only be able to carry front panniers. But there should be a way to make true back pannier work on these

[@keepthesummeralive]

Great Review - Very clearly explained also for people with less bike knowledge. I have a question about the HSD. I want carry a child and a small dog (4kg) in a basket on the back. Like to keep the front rack empty for other things. Can the child seat be placed at the very back of the rear rack so that I could fit a small basket in front of it. Thanks in advance for your help :)

[@dedre123]

Is the GSD only available with a derailleur or is it available with Rohloff or Enviolo? If not, will it eventually comes with internal shifter?

[@predatorminutepodcast1570]

What is the range for a single battery? I know there are a lot of variables, but let's say you're carrying two little kids and a few pounds of cargo.

[@mohamadmansor2279]

Can this bike use as touring

[@Propelbikes]

Definitely!

[@jollygreen4662]

Let's say I buy a used. Can I buy replacement parts to any thing on the bike to replace if I find out it's broken?

[@Propelbikes]

Tern is great about providing shops with parts, so I would say yes.

[@lakshmangm7775]

Price ?

[@mugsy201]

Is there a throttle option for either bike?

[@Propelbikes]

No throttle options for these. I would recommend trying one though as most people find a throttle isn’t necessary once you actually try a proper pedal assist bike. Btw - not all pedal assist is created equal. Most systems pale in comparison to the Bosch motor system when it comes to the ride experience.

[@mugsy201]

@@Propelbikes thanks for the quick response. Ok I'll give it a try!

[@atomicsmith]

@@mugsy201 I tried lots of electric bikes before buying one and it was quickly obvious that the throttle bikes weren't even worth considering. The pedal assist is just that good.

[@Propelbikes]

I agree. Not all pedal assist is created equal, but if you have a good pedal assist system the throttle because not necessary.

[@KillerRaptorr]

Why do you say a very low weight of 100/200pounds on a WELDED frame rack that supposedly would take over 5times more weight then a classic bolt on rack would?

[@Propelbikes]

132lbs and 200lbs is a lot of weight. Maybe it could handle more, but it would hurt the handling.

[@mettreenmusique]

The man doing this review sounds like Tommy Carcetti from the Wire

[@mohamadmansor2279]

Is this bike enter Singapore bike shop

[@Propelbikes]

I don’t know if there are. You can email Tern at [e-mail]

[@deepindercheema4917]

My favourite electric bike is the Peraves Monotracer !

[@wholderby]

We are legit in the market for 3 bikes as a family and I have to tell you after totally loving the looks and design of the GSD I went to research the price and my jaw hit the floor. I know bikes can get expensive (even regular bikes) but these guys are at least twice as expensive as they should be so we have decided to pull the trigger with a different brand (actually 2 from one brand and a Radwagon for brother inlaw and mother inlaw to use as a tandem. The pricing was ridiculous just for the base model much less the seat in the back etc.

[@justicesketchworld894]

For the price its worth it's not worth it because of the battery capacity is too small for professionals commercial work

[@Propelbikes]

We have many commercial customers and I would have to disagree here.

[@justicesketchworld894]

@@Propelbikes does it last 12 hours?

[@Propelbikes]

No, but most of our commercial riders aren’t riding 12 hours. That’s a really long work day. I guess we have different perspectives on what commercial work is and obviously there is a varying scale of the types of work people do and the tools they need to do their job.

[@justicesketchworld894]

@@Propelbikes I work 12-15 hour 5 days out of the week for food deliveries going up and down steep hills in California I already broke 2 electric motors in 6 weeks with my name brand ebike so this is what I call professional commercial business if I can break the bike in less than a month it's not worth $3.5k for tern bikes

[@Propelbikes]

I would recommend trying a bike with the Bosch system. You’d be surprised how well they hold up. We have hundreds on them on the streets of NY being used for commercial purposes and they have little trouble.