FNAF's Biggest Mystery SOLVED!? | MatPat Reacts to FuhNaff's I Solved Security Breach (Part 2)

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Loyal theorists, ‪@FuhNaff‬ has released ANOTHER FNAF Security Breach theory... and this time, he's diving into his proposed answer to the identity of Patient 46. He's pieced together loads of LORE, which means it's time for Tom and I to sit back down on the couch.
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0:00 - The Witty Banter
9:17 - they never ask HOW is patient 46
1:02:40 - The Witty Wrap Up
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[@FuhNaff]

THANKS FOR REACTING FRIENDS

[@ethancate8462]

Yo I've been subbed since 2020! Caught your comment early!

[@ionelalexandra]

It's the theorist himself! Hi John :) ✨

[@blackrabblt1873]

[@halejoharchi8676]

Hi john

[@mustafa.m.alnatsheh]

Fuhh

[@a_balloon]

Fuhnaff actually showed that Security breach actually does have storyline/lore for it, and it is so well hidden in the game that it makes me wonder if devs opened all these possibilities just by accident.

[@randomguy6909]

Ah yes when a Ballon is smarter then you.

[@Sebastiantheonewithlonghair]

Bro there are so many different people working on this game, coming up with lore, it makes it so hard to understand what is and isnt true, because in all honesty if you asked any dev to explain their full understanding of the lore they would probably all have different answers. It was much easier to rule things in and out when it was just one guy.

[@nebula189]

Enciteful comment from a balloon

[@VillainVac]

most of the animatronics in fnafsb have their own lore. the daycare attendants control issues; burntrap being a hostage etc. y’know?

[@dragon1130]

@@Sebastiantheonewithlonghair typically, there should be a few people working on the storyline (usually 1-3 people), and they typically work on the story together. Anything put in the game that's lore based has to have their approval first before it can be included. Honestly, if security Breach didn't do things this way and just had a free for all throw in whatever LORE the devs felt like (as you suggest) then the games story, and lore would have been a much bigger mess than what we have here. At least with the finished product we got, there is consistency with itself, at least. The real issue with security Breach is that the head writter for the games prior to SB stepped down, and, there are now writers, working on the story, who aren't going to be able to capture his style of writing because...well they aren't him.

[@echocardiogram572]

I have something to say about 35:03 If the therapist were to look into Charlie’s history, she would not have seen the trauma or murder. Henry would have completely gotten rid of all records of that and fabricated all sorts of great memories for his daughter. Why would he keep proof of her murder easily accessible to outsiders if his goal was for her to continue to live and have a seemingly normal life? He wouldn’t. It’s not that she knows she’s lying. It’s that she knows no one will believe her because there is no record of the memories she has. If the therapist were to find evidence of her murder and actually believe it, then Charlie could no longer discreetly exist as a humanoid robot.

[@m3gajj]

Had the same thought process dude, I am starting to fully think that Patient 46 is a corrupted Charlie bot

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life

[@UltimateMustacheX]

As someone whose only exposure to FNAF is through these theory videos, I thought the "happy childhood" part the therapist called out made sense. If Charlie was rebuilt as a robot in a new child form, she would have a new family and childhood to live through. This childhood would be normal/happy, but she would have constant memories of a tragic past life that the therapist calls fantasies. This similar idea was mentioned multiple times, both with the throwing out old parts line and that girl who keeps sweeping without knowing why.

[@littlestargaming1644]

that makes sense never realized that lol

[@UnderworldsHeiress]

That actually is what happens on the books. I know they cant be considerelly completely canon. But if he consider it as a paralel universe of "what ifs". Charlie has a normal childhood with her aunt and memories of a brother no one else mentions and she never understood why. Because it wasnt a brother, it was her. So her old memories in conflict with the programming.

[@neasulavuori4955]

oh wow, i took it to mean charlie had a happy childhood until she died since she was henrys kid, not williams but that makes even more sense!I wish they'd see this comment, you might wanna post this on freddit

[@tayloranderson7547]

Experienced adult videos in the part where the Benson was Charlie rebuilt of robot in a new child form she would have a new family and childhood to live through. This childhood normal happy and she have consent memories of a tragic past life that the therapist Kohl's fantasies. The similar idea was meant emotive mention multiple times ,both with the throwing out old part line and that girl who keeps sweeping 🧹 without knowing why .

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life

[@chojay13]

A child going silent after being confronted about lying in therapy would not automatically imply the child knew they were lying and felt "caught." They are being told the stories of their (very real) traumas are "made up" and that they actually had a very "happy childhood." If my therapist tried to gaslight me like that (from the child's perspective; the therapist genuinely would have no idea) especially with power dynamics from an adult to a child (who may have been told she's lying by adults in other situations before), I'd clam up too.

[@VictoryandHope]

I thought the same thing.

[@JDM-is-my-name]

Yeah, I feel like, as theorists, that a lot of people assume that the therapists can't lie/be wrong. I think it takes away from the ability to fully process who 46 might be. If it truly is Charlie (or just a kid who has been through something strange) then ofc the therapists wouldn't believe a child if they insisted they had died before or if they seemed to have a "wrong" perspective of their own life. "You had a happy childhood" is a really weird thing to emphasise to a child because they are in their childhood, assumably. They are currently experiencing things and if their parents are dead, then people are more likely to speak well of them. No one wants to be the one to say, "Yeah, aunt Sharon was a poc who never bothered to feed her kids after they turned 10"

[@nessie7306]

@@JDM-is-my-name lol off topic but I assume by poc you mean "piece of crap" and not "person of color" cos I had to do a double take like huh? Sharon is a poc? Oh wait 😂😂

[@autisticzuko2750]

Yeah, that never sat right with me that nobody seemed to pick up on. Just because a family seems happy and there's nothing reported, it doesn't mean it was. That therapist was attacking that child and ignoring the fact not everything is as it appears. Even still, if the child were lying, that in itself would be indicative of some kind of mental issue or trauma.

[@Vinkittymeowningstar]

I have literally had this happen to me with several different therapists throughout my childhood (both early and late childhood), not once did my story change and still, they told me I was lying/overreacting, etcetera. people are taught that they can trust counsellors and therapists, but in my experience, a lot of them don't really care and are incredibly biased despite the fact that they are supposed to be non-judgemental and are supposed to help even if they personally think there are exaggerations or misinterpreted wordings regarding trauma.

[@wiktoriaarbaros7176]

Throughout this whole video I was like "MAT JUST LET IT PLAY, your questions would be answered in the next 30 seconds or so"

[@777SilverPhoenix777]

He's too defensive at this point to let it play. He admitted that he was getting angry. Apparently, he NEEDS Steph to be on the couch yelling at him for us. She would make him listen. It's too bad she's not there. I remember her doing just that when he did his first let's play of security breach live. The chat was yelling at him to PLAY THE GAME. He was goofing around the whole time and here Steph is telling him his fans are getting upset with him. Only after her insistence did he FINALLY get out of the starting zone. Then immediately lose all his progress after goofing around in the atrium. permanent consequences finally got him to play the game as intended. He's too prideful and stubborn for his own good sometimes.

[@hubdweller9969]

Reactors in a Shellnut

[@angelav4401]

LOL seriously! I literally said that out loud while watching 🤣

[@Junya01]

@@777SilverPhoenix777 okay, but why does matpat need to play the game the “right” way in the first place? If he’s having fun goofin around in a goofy game, what’s wrong with it? Fnaf SB was a buggy mess, he bought the game and he’s used it to have fun. If them backseat theorists wanted to progress the story, they could have bought the game themselves and played it the way they wanted. Really take a step back for a second, so many people are living vicariously through streamers that they get mad when said streamer doesn’t play the game like they want them to play, instead of buying the game themselves. A bit entitled imo

[@gunnersg2700]

Considering that this is a reaction video, i see nothing wrong with Mat pausing the video to voice his reactions, and to ask questions so that they can be answered later on. As kids, we were often told to be quiet and listen, but i think that it's fine to ask questions to follow along with the video. Maybe he's defensive, but to me it reads as him joining the dots between this new info and what he already knows/thinks. Maybe he's angry, but i think that he's angry at how crazy the lore is. From 31:29 - 32:05, he says "I can already see where the pieces line up"... "but like, ooh that would make me mad! Let one of the characters die!" To me it sounds like he's saying that the theory seems to make sense, but if the theory's true, he would be angry at the lore for never letting any of the characters die (eg. William, maybe the other Aftons, and now Charlie)

[@duckman9327]

Just wanna say, Charlie bot makes way more sense than Gregory being 46.

[@Yaya-sg9cr]

I agree but also disagree bc like if you look at Charlie whole character she’s always been against Afton so idk I don’t think either fit bc it wouldn’t make sense at all for either

[@Drpsz1629]

@@Yaya-sg9cr he made a new video of where afton stole an version of her and made it evil

[@duckman9327]

@@Yaya-sg9cr I’m meaning that Elizabeth possesses the Charlie bot, as it is in fourth closet. Under the Charlie bot storyline, it makes perfect sense as Elizabeth possessed as Charlie bot and then helped afton

[@Yaya-sg9cr]

@@duckman9327 yes it does especially after this new video out but we’ll have to wait and see for the next few the videos

[@idarblox]

Yeah and plus , In ThE bOoKs Charlie is a robot soo it makes more sense

[@kinda_history_nerd]

I think GNNA stands for God No, Not Again

[@LadyOnikara]

In other words, a second marriage.

[@Coolest_Username_Ever]

Matpat is the only person that can turn a 30-minute video into an hour-long video and still need a part two

[@MAX-xd4uz]

yeah reminds me of a youtuber named tb skyen... he makes hour-long videos from 3 for 4 minutes vids related to league of legends

[@kurty8420]

remind me of a 2min vid to 2 hour long vid haha

[@imterrifiedofchickens909]

he can be so fucking annoying

[@AshChiCupcak]

Him and Josh Strife Hayes could make a 10 minute video last 24 hours.

[@GreatRaijin]

He's not though

[@nerdyworld938]

Matpat: “I hate this I don’t want Charlie to be back into this franchise!” HOW DO YOU THINK WE FEEL ABOUT YOUR LATEST THEORY MATT!

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

He doesn't like it either. So no one likes it.

[@tacogod9131]

fr JUST LET CRYING CHILD AND CHARLIE DIE PLEASE they have suffered enough

[@tacogod9131]

also....why illusion disks...oh god. I've been following the entireity of this franchise's lore and my god what in the world

[@reaper_is_unavailable]

@@tacogod9131 better than FazGoo

[@Rainingsunshine346]

@@reaper_is_unavailable That is true. In my opinion at this point, anything is better than FazGoo.

[@hulax9858]

Fuhnaff made me realise this game is way deeper and filled with more lore than I thought

[@bunny6820]

32:45 Phobias are generally related to the triggers (generally visual) of certain events, so it makes sense that she would want to keep the windows covered by something would be to not see the window in the first place, since it reminds her of her trauma

[@fenrirslip]

I love how at the end the word, "schematics" really got Mat's gears turning. John has opened his third eye and when Mat and John have their third eye opened, they cannot be stopped!

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

I think i miss it. Do you have a time stamp? Edit: Found it, 1:00:44

[@Bardic_Knowledge]

Third Eye? Vanessa is Yuri confirmed. /jk

[@joshualeahy2162]

@@Bardic_Knowledge What if it isn't a joke though dun dun daaa.

[@tinaherr3856]

I don't believe that Charlie is back somehow, but I do believe that Nightmarionne has more significance than just a Easter egg. There is just too much references and instances of them appearing. In addition to the stuff mentioned in the video, Nightmarionne is also the only non-Glamrock animitronic that is a collectable plushie.

[@Sway22]

But didn't Scott say himself that Nightmarionne is not a cannon character? Edit: 29:15. Exactly. Why would Scott make nightmare baloon boy canon, but keep nightmarionne not cannon (he clearly didn't want him/her cannon).

[@tinaherr3856]

@@Sway22 that was all the way back during FNAF 4, specifically its Halloween update. However, Nightmarionne has made two appearances in canon games other than the update (not including Security Breach). The first, in Ultimate Custom Night, and the second in FNAF Help Wanted. So while Nightmarionne may not have been canon to the story specifically made for FNAF 4, they appear in several other canon entries.

[@someguy774]

Its even shown in the full video

[@Renigade68]

@@Sway22 If NightMarione is meant as a dark reflection of the Puppet being possessed by Charlie, it could be that canonically FNAF4 and the bite of 83 takes place before Charlie's death, possibly before Henry even created the security puppet, so it could be that Nightmarrionne's appearance in FNAF4 is non-cannon because it doesn't work timing wise, the crying child can't be having nightmares about something that doesn't exist yet, but that doesn't make Nightmarionne itself inherently non-cannon.

[@Sean-qg3gg]

@@tinaherr3856 Nightmarionne’s appearances in Help Wanted and partially Security Breach might not be important, because that’s Fazbear Entertainment being meta with their included merch. They would do that since the first 4 games are the games that repopularized the brand, and likely Steve (that’s his name, right?) stated the same thing Scott did. Nightmarionne’s interesting inclusion is in Ultimate Custom Night, and the repetition in Security Breach. However, if the nightmare animatronics in general are caused by illusion discs, then technically none of them should be canon? Besides maybe Nightmare since he might have a brain, but that could just be the discs being more detailed as time goes on or something. So, I really don’t think there’s much issue on Nightmarionne specifically being canon.

[@allisonyoung5626]

I wish Mat would let John explain before trying to debunk each sentence. I think John did a good job of laying his thoughts out and its more compelling if you listen to the story he lays out.

[@BB-oo5ws]

No offense to Matpat, he sounded a little bit condescending with some of his comments to John's points in the video. Yah, some of the points to John's theories were a little weak, I just found it strange the way Matpat would sometimes respond.

[@777SilverPhoenix777]

@@BB-oo5ws yeah he's being a bit childish about this whole thing. like he's jealous he didn't come up with it or something. or he doesn't want to admit he was way off base with his theories. I doubt I will watch the second part since this was a huge turn off for me. I just want to smack him upside the head and say "Stop being a jerk.".

[@777SilverPhoenix777]

Yeah that was really bugging me as well. Probably won't watch part too as he was making me angry with his interruptions.

[@BB-oo5ws]

@@777SilverPhoenix777 Well, he can half or fully disagree with John's theories, that doesn't really matter. The way he was responding to points John was making during the watch was off. It was almost as if he had a better understanding of the game then John did, meanwhile both of them are just throwing ideas to see what sticks and makes a good conclusion. Neither one of their theories are the truth as far as we know now.

[@gunnersg2700]

i appreciated the fact that he tried to "debunk each sentence", giving me (who doesn't know FNaF) a very close look at each point, instead of waiting until the end to give a broader summary. Agree that he sounded condescending. To me he's trying to act like the "old guy" of FNaF theory, since he's been doing it for much longer. Of course he doesn't want to admit that he was way off base with his theories. He would need to be convinced first. That's why i liked that he looked at everything so closely, to figure out whether he is convinced. As kids, we're told to accept what people say, and get hit upside the head when we don't. But i like that he's taking the time to think about things on video with us. If you think his thoughts on the lore were inaccurate, that's great, but at least he made the effort to pause the video and think

[@PepperPlays470]

Adding onto the discussion at about 25:00 - Gregory's motivation to leave the Pizzaplex seems to be only spurred on by the fact that he is being chased by the animatronics and Vanessa. I think that he was perfectly happy in there until Vanessa realised he was there and thats when he realised he was in danger.

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life but he's released release he was injecting danger

[@taniaevenson1086]

I was actually amazed at the "hidden" jump scare sound. One of those things you won't just find without trying.

[@DaniCal1forn1a]

It's interesting because I know I heard _something_ different when I watched people play it (I have a good ear for subtle sounds, my brain can separate the layers of music tracks and focus in on each one e.g.), but I had no idea what it was 🤔. I know the lore and such from other fnaf theories & games from seeing them played but Nightmarionne is a bit of a deeper cut than other reoccurring characters, and I didn't get into the whole lore behind things until a couple of years ago when I became fascinated with trying to reconcile the story of fnaf after watching things like the fnaf iceberg on here 🤣 - so I didn't link the sound to them 🤔. Makes me wonder if having someone less deeply familiar with the franchise, but who has the knack for noticing out of place things, could be helpful for theorising since there are less preconceived notions and they could be there to point out "hey, there's something different/off there" 🤔

[@nylada]

@@DaniCal1forn1a yeah i was really surprised no one else noticed. i thought it was so obvious.

[@ghosty8193]

@@nylada Same! I haven't really been too up to date with the lore and so I had no idea what the sound was. I'm glad someone confirmed it though because I remember making a post on the fnaf subreddit about Afton's laugh in one of the tracks and being called a liar.

[@TMS-Oddbot]

@@ghosty8193 Wait clarify, what are you referring to with Afton's laugh?

[@ghosty8193]

@@TMS-Oddbot iirc in the ambience of the Afton (burntrap) battle, there’s a series of laughs that belong to William Afton. They start ‘young’ and eventually end up sounding robotic. If you look up ‘William Afton laugh security breach’ you should find it.

[@bootonia1518]

about the puppet's tentacle pattern being linked to the arcade, think about the only times we ever see charlie's death in the games. the only times it's ever been shown is in ARCADE STYLE GAMES.

[@bootonia1518]

examples being fnaf 2's death minigame, and fnaf 6's minigame where she's outside the window trying to get help

[@nessie7306]

Hmmmm good point good point

[@firefly314]

Ohh good call!!

[@sivasuntharam4534]

This deserves more attention

[@muffinss1706]

Wow

[@Dapego580]

Matt you said it yourself, fire neutralices Remnant, not Agony, Charlie wasn’t brought to life to the puppet with remnant, but with her own agony right when she died, therefore, the fire in the 6th game wouldn’t let her free, just like Afton.

[@lakiadler]

The way that Tom and Mat react to FuhNaff with distance, sometimes with irony, like his points are clearly invalid, doubting each sentence and trying to debunk it, just makes me sad..! I think John has made reasonable arguments and gave some believable proof! :)

[@charlottesweb5964]

Something I want to point out. 46 isn't afraid of open or closed windows. All we know is that the therapist pulled the shades. 46 doesn't like windows in general. Likes to stay inside.

[@Sway22]

But 46 doesn't like many things. To cling so hard to this one and connect it so loosely to this one kid? Idk.... it's unlikely.

[@charlottesweb5964]

@@Sway22 Can't disagree with you there. I just wanted to point this out. At 32:21 it specifically says that 46 likes the windows shut. That's not true. The therapist does close the blinds though. I just wanted to clarify, because small errors like that weaken the argument that Fuhnaff is trying to make. Plus, it confuses the audience, including Mat himself.

[@shanedog5059]

@@Sway22 its not like gregory being 46 is an any better theory. honestly, charlie being 46 makes more sense than if gregory was 46.

[@lunakon5911]

@@charlottesweb5964 then she doesn’t like windows, which fits even more to Charlie’s trauma.

[@ShutupandListen]

@@shanedog5059 think about it it’s Vanny

[@afterstory5572]

I kinda get the whole point about Charlie wanting to keep the windows closed. If something super traumatic happens I would do everything in my power to avoid said thing. The act of looking outside would probably be a trigger for that trauma which is where keeping the windows closed comes in.

[@Sway22]

But 46 doesn't like many things. To cling so hard to this one and connect it so loosely to this one kid? Idk.... it's unlikely.

[@afterstory5572]

@@Sway22 I wasn't saying i agree with 46 being Charlie its a big stretch. I just wanted to point this out because matt couldn't grasp that dying outside could equal wanting windows closed.

[@RancorSnp]

@@Sway22 You are looking at it the wrong way. It's not about the fact that this character dislikes the outside that makes the connection. The connection is in the fact that in ALL of the characters Fnaf EVER introduced, there is only ONE person that has any reason to fear the outside

[@axelblyat7705]

I see it like that: Charlie could not reach out to anyone through the window prior to her death so this thrauma thriggered a note in her mind that windows - is a impenetrable barrier. So if you are inside the room and windows are shut - you're safe.

[@miguelchapa1213]

@@axelblyat7705 Psychologically speaking this hits on some serious points. Considering this was also a robot coming to being then you have to take into consideration how sensitive this Charly could be. Add to that they might be a under Aftons control then maybe there's more to do with that on why this person behaves negatively towards human-based behaviors.

[@MiningNatureYT]

MatPat: gregory is a robot kid that is brought back to life and is patient 46 Also MatPat: CHARLIE CANT BE A ROBOT KID THAT IS BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AND IS IN THERAPY THATS NOT HOW THAT WORKS

[@bruhdaily2948]

Wow GTlive found your comment so funny that they gave you exlcusive access to a giveaway, crazy 😐

[@MiningNatureYT]

@@bruhdaily2948 yeah not sketchy at all, right?

[@bruhdaily2948]

@@MiningNatureYT Yeah bro, totally, can't believe GTlive is so generous.

[@VentA_7]

He never said that: he said “man that makes a lot of sense: but I hate that it does cause fnaf needs to stop bringing back dead characters”

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life that is so awesome

[@davidjennings2300]

While there's alot of vague connections, there's also alot of SUPER interesting points here, like the nightmarione jumpscare sound in the bot jumpscare. That is some heavy evidence for something imo, and I think it is definitely no coincidence. Also I do like you are doing 2 parts for this instead of trying to rush through it and not get all your thoughts out. I definitely want to hear all the things you have to say about this theory!

[@Itsmissdeary]

I think that the "keeping" the windows shut" part is referring to the fact that when Charlie would look outside, she'd (theoretically) see her death. Or, alternately, she was "shut out" by the children, running off to continue the party, leaving her to die to Afton's hands. She's afraid of seeing her past.

[@AceFaz]

Her father kept telling her to stay inside, She walked outside one time and died- of course she hates the outdoors...

[@sirthursday6159]

Ptsd, she literally died begging for her life against a window. I wouldn't want to see windows either

[@Parallelocam]

It's just a bad theory that doesn't make sense. Don't try to make sense of it.

[@AceFaz]

@@Parallelocam better than it being Gregory xD

[@tayloranderson7547]

Kearny and her death died the two absence hands she's afraid of seeing her past.

[@pipercohen1416]

Fun Fact; The bears being extinct line is mentioned in-game now. I know because I was playing the other night. If I remember correctly it goes " Did you know that Bears love Pizza Sauce more than Honey? It's true. Before their extinction, Bears were known to attack Pizza Delivery Trucks more than any other food service vehicles. This has been another Faz Fact"

[@helhunden]

Its really interesting to see the behind the scenes of theory crafting, and I keep thinking each time Funfnaf says "need more proof?" thinking like, "yes, way more" I agree with mat that a lot of these seem to be stretching a bit, but some of the points are really compelling, and it certainly has made me look at some things again. I think you can see that happening with Mat too, esspecially with the closet and the tiny door to the sister location room

[@lenalee8251]

I love how the second part of the reaction will never be uploaded

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

One thing I will say about John's theory is that it gives more significance to the randomness that is those Puppet themed bots. They're just lurking around down there and quickly gets overlooked, so it's nice to finally theorize on why they're even a thing.

[@KraziShadowbear]

Matpat, Matt, Dawko, and FuhNaff (John) should team up when they make "bigger" FNAF theories. Like, some things one of you or both of you or three of you might miss, but at least one of you (who thinks very different from the rest) would catch something or maintain it and organize all much better than only one of you ever could.

[@ashowershitter]

matt being mirror matt?

[@johndoe24328]

You’re literally pitching the awesome collaboration live streams of early fnaf days. Scott used to interact with the group even

[@vipersnek3141]

this already happened

[@TMS-Oddbot]

@@johndoe24328 Yeah I was just watching some theories, and MatPat mentioned a livestream where Scott Cawthon brought attention to Toy Chica's beak being on the ground.

[@KaizorGaming1]

No love for ryetoast?

[@ixedtea5302]

I personally agree more with FuhNaff's theory because it makes so much more sense the only think is I wish Matt would listen more instead of debunking everything the moment he hears it

[@goldfishgallant1432]

I think you're confusing "makes more sense" with "is more a satisfying narrative". FuhNaff does an amazing job building an engaging story one can follow along with in their minds along with the evidence he brings up. At the same time, building a narrative so clear takes some imagination on FuhNaffs part to fill in some blanks. A narrative that just isn't at all clear or obvious when presented with ONLY the clues given in the game. Which is also a fantastic point FuhNaff makes in the first part of this series, that security breach cannot really be solved with the pieces we currently have. I personally like to appreciate both of these big players methods of building a theory and seeing how they play off each other which makes the whole community of theories feel a lot more cohesive as a whole.

[@anemoiajunkie]

@@goldfishgallant1432 while i do disagree with some of mat’s theories, i agree with you on the point that the satisfactory narrative approach is the one that jon takes.

[@gamingwithlizzy9070]

Remember how complicated this franchise is if there is a piece of evidence that contradicts the theory it’s important to make note of it not just ignore that because the theory “makes sense”. Matpat seems pretty open minded from my point of view but he likes to follow the solid proof that is extremely supportive which is why he debunks a lot of Funaff’s theories ( just my opinion tho )

[@cruzmbolanos]

The amount of times I keep screaming at the TV for Matt to stop pausing and listen is driving me crazy 😤😤😤

[@buddytheratmore7540]

personally i think that matpat isnt built for this format of video to make it watchable, the theory channels always have constant entertaining graphics, which makes it watchable but with him and tom, they never known when to stop talking and cant seem to just hear john out.. they never let the video get out one train of thought before commenting when matpat is with steph or ash the chemistry makes it a lot more watchable because theyre like comedic relief and something more to pay attention to but if its only matpat or matpat + tom its so hard and annoying to watch i just dont think theyre too funny on their own i guess but thats not gonna be true for everyone obviously just my opinion

[@cruzmbolanos]

@@buddytheratmore7540 I think that the problem is that they cant stop from theorizing long enough to hear him out then when they finally do hit play and its the same thing they said its like if you waited like 15 seconds then we could have heard john say it instead of them going off on this long explanation to get the same result. thats why if i see that they have started another video about johns theory i just watch his 1st so im not screaming the whole time

[@GregAndrews03]

@@cruzmbolanos OR with them talking about it before continuing with the video shows that they can also come to the same conclusion. Sometimes this works better for some people so quit whining

[@cruzmbolanos]

@@GregAndrews03 says the guy who got on whining about someone whining 🙄

[@GregAndrews03]

@@cruzmbolanos sticking up for someone and whining are two different things

[@darknessking2859]

MatPat you need to RECRUIT HIM. He would be perfect to work on film theory with you maybe make him your apprentice or something. Maybe as they do a couple of class with him or something Edit: I ment collaboration not class I don't know how I made that mistake.

[@randomguy6909]

I read that as "maybe do couple classes with him"💀

[@d1gital.star.]

@@randomguy6909 lol same

[@corazondonquixote]

Nah i think fuhnaff can stand up on his own. I wish there were more fnaf channels that were all decentralized so once a year they can have a state of the fnaf meeting or something like the united nations

[@d1gital.star.]

@@corazondonquixote I agree, he should be able to have his own independent channel

[@JaredTSM]

that would be nice but I like the idea of him (I wanna call him John for some reason) growing by himself as a person. Not saying that Mat will stunt that growth but allowing him to develop his own style and formula of thinking would be better for him. I think itd be cooler if they collabed every now and then instead

[@humanoidrkangel]

I think the General N/A fits. It could be just a general party for the room. Like a parent wanting to celebrate a child doing well in school or a school celebrating hitting a milestone. Or even just a day care service just wanting to have a fun day. Just a general party.

[@mikaylacarroll9882]

Yeah I agree

[@kellynine7438]

"Generic/Not Applicable" is probably a better way to phrase it, but yeah.

[@lisahenry20]

I agree that the code is supposed to be for a general/genetic party, I just don't agree that the code means general n/a because that feels very redundant. They could use general or use n/a, they don't need both. And if they needed a 4 character code (I'd have to check if all the others are 4 characters), maybe for a database or to make it easier to read or something, then surely something like GNRL (general), GNTC (genetic) or even NAPP (not applicable) would work better. Or even STND for standard, as in standard party decorations.

[@ValentineC137]

generic party / non applicable age as all other have a reason / age

[@humanoidrkangel]

I think it’s more of like what kind of party they are having for certain decorations. Like they could have the size, package, and then party style.

[@kays4290]

Also, the only time, that I can remember, that we hear Afton speak clearly is in Sister Location. After that, he was spring trap and he only made noises, not words, even in security breach. This would imply that this conversation he had in the second trailer for security breach had to take place well before Vanessa. Also in the back ground you hear the tinkering of gears. He is talking to his mechanical creation. Not a person.

[@BrixVGM]

He talks quite clearly in FFPS

[@tayloranderson7547]

Creation . Not a person.

[@AviaRayne2]

MatPat underestimates my ability to sit and binge youtube FNAF theories for hours on end. I would love having the timeline theory as one, really massive 5 hr video! 😂

[@connorschultz380]

Same

[@yaoixsenpai]

The Nightmare Marion scare line being put behind the bots is definitely a good point to explore.

[@jaytc8521]

isn't that the same jumpscare sound as nightmare though?

[@yaoixsenpai]

@@jaytc8521 Regardless, Scott or the devs wouldn't add that detail unless it was significant.

[@tartra]

I already love that MatPat is welcoming Fuhnaff into the struggles of beinga FNaF theorist 💖 It's so nice to see that solidarity

[@randomguy6909]

Especially since some go against things he’s spent hours of his life on!

[@johnmarkson1998]

@@randomguy6909 tbf none of the theories are really going against matpat since the evidence from fuhnaff is very weak overall.

[@shanedog5059]

@@johnmarkson1998 imo his theories were pretty solid, and i definitely like them better than if gregory was 46. you can ofc have your own opinions, i just heavily disagree, big john cena.

[@johnmarkson1998]

@@shanedog5059 yeah im just saying from matpats perspective he mostly disagreed with the evidence. i personally think the evidence was solid but mat obviously has a much higher standard.

[@vhalrougelarfouxe]

@@johnmarkson1998 I do believe that the theory has merit. It gives people more perspective to craft theories themselves. As it had been said, there are fatal flaws in the presented theory but the idea had been showing signs that he is being led to the right direction. The way that he laid out his cards is meticulous that even if there are holes, it just makes enough sense that you would think that he is right. I do agree that Matt is taking FNAF theories to a higher standard as he is the man who has a lot of data on it.

[@Viichan777]

People keep saying that bears extinct line is cut, but I've heard it tons of times in elevators, idk if it's because I'm playing on steam deck (which has a weird static effect instead of most endings playing) but it plays alot.

[@Sugarsoleil_uwu]

Kinda want them to do just an uninterrupted reaction of the videos without pausing after a couple seconds and THEN go back to the smaller details. Like hear him out for the whole video instead of pausing after every detail. I know it's a theory channel but I would just like for them to hear everything. But Fuhnaff has an incredible theory 🎉

[@Jam35R0rgu3]

Gregory hid inside of Freddy at the beginning of the game because he didn't want to be caught by Vanessa. *Freddy: That is the security guard. She can help. Gregory: No, I don't trust her.*

[@tayloranderson7547]

I don't either

[@judgment5090]

Well, she does have a tendency to be a killer bunny so i’m with Gregory on this one.

[@SonicFlameCreator]

Yeah, but they're questioning if that holds up. If Gregory was there beforehand when everyone else was leaving, and it's almost confirmed he was, why didn't he walk out and hide in the crowd? Say he was there even before that and ran into the crowd to avoid Vanessa, why even leave the crowd at all to go to Freddy? At least I think that's their logic.

[@lisahenry20]

@@SonicFlameCreator I can kind of see why Gregory might not want to hide in the crowd. If Vanessa did manage to get him, then people in the crowd probably wouldn't try stopping her since they think she's helping, or maybe if they see a child without parents, they may take him to the nearest security guard or police officer aka Vanessa. But it does feel very weird. There's still way too much that we don't know about Gregory.

[@SonicFlameCreator]

@@lisahenry20 In my opinion, I think Gregory somehow getting in Freddy is way more convoluted than just straight up leaving, no matter where you think he is at the beginning of the game. Gregory is such a unknown I agree, like they said he's like a free space, you can put him along any theory decently.

[@eothe8802]

MatPat, the only person to make reacting to a 20ish minute video into 2 hours.

[@davisranger]

More like a 30ish into 1 hour

[@KooI-AidMan]

@@davisranger they only got halfway through the video

[@jhesidstevensuarezberrio319]

I mean, if you can do 15 minutes with 30 secs of a clip this seems like an easy take

[@MoonAirN]

There's a lot of caveats that you'd prefer to address right out the gate, or as soon as something critical is mentioned, because you can contextualise what aspects of the greater narrative do you have to focus on and make sense of. It's a far better approach than just sitting and taking in everything at face value, without challenge or corroboration to the extent that you're satisfied with what's being said

[@addiwoodrish4852]

I refer you to Josh Strife Hayes reacting to Asmongold reacting to Josh. Or pretty much any Mauler video

[@HoloGraphicDraws]

The fact that Charlie is 46 actually makes a little sense because The Marionette is always close behind Afton. so if 46 is indeed Charlie it wouldn't be so far fetched.

[@willag-art]

The evidence made me think of another possibility. What if patient 46 is the child model of Vanessa, like the girl in the books, as an attempt to recreate Elizabeth Afton. It would explain a few things. 1. Why the patient seems to be small yet intelligent 2. The patient's connection to Vanessa and why they would be manipulating her 3. Why there's another person who's young living in the pizzaplex 4. Why the Creators call attention to 'schematics' 5. The small closet door 6. The ending that shows another Vanessa 7. Why the patient would be helping William Afton

[@j.f3448]

Thought: Is it possible that the therapists only have access to files of the Charlie robot and not Charlie's actual life. This would make the therapist line about her happy childhood make sense because as a robot, Charlie lived a large deal as happy with Henry.

[@nerdyvalkyrie9230]

"Therapy is for everyone, even possessed animatronic security puppets" is a quote that I now desperately need on a tshirt

[@casz6986]

Yes! Someone please make this! I would but idk how 😅

[@jeom3808]

"Let one character die" I mean, 'no new characters being introduced(via letting Gregory be his own new character)' vs 'no character dies', I rather no characters die.(I mean, 1 more returning character isn't that big a deal in comparison to everyone that's back. we are kinda starved for new human characters like Gregory) for the record, I don't mind if Gregory is a robot, but if he actually isn't, that would be better.

[@rai8701]

honestly i get that its annoying how many times matpat pauses and we want him to just watch the whole thing and then analyze, but i relate to him HAHAHAH I have adhd and if i dont say/jot down notes when watching sometimes longer than a couple of minutes then i lose pretty much all those thoughts that I get at the first watch.

[@imalwaystired5221]

I don't have ADHD, but I can relate to you. I'm a very forgetful person, thus it's easy for me to forget things. That's why I prefer Mattpat's delivery instead of he's watching the entire video first then voicing out his thoughts and opinions later. Because if he does the letter, I might already forget a lot of the details that John showed in his video and I have to go watch the video again several times to remember. There are a lot of things that John explained in his video, so it will be hard to go back and watch the video several times. So I was grateful to Mattpat for delivering his thoughts and opinions the way he did.

[@AriaSerif]

@@imalwaystired5221 I get that, because while I don't have ADHD I do need to jot down things, but there was nothing stopping Matpat from doing just that. Taking a notepad and jotting down things while he watched. He absolutely DID NOT need to pause the video as often as he did just to run on a tangent of his thoughts. I'd have been more accepting if he'd paused it and said "I have some notes I need to make so I can state my thoughts on this when he's about to move on." rather than what he does. I can't say it's childish, but definitely hyperactive. I would have preferred him scribbling random notes while the vid played rather than breaking off into his own thoughts every few seconds making what should have been a 30 - 45 min. video into over an hour and still needing to do a part 2... I get the lack of focus thing, even without ADHD I sometimes can be easily distracted BUT that's why I write down important things. So that I can't forget, so that if I am distracted, I can pick back up where I left off. It's just the responsible thing to do is all. I think this was a tactical err on his part where he didn't plan out to be a responsible 'audience member' in respect to his own needs and how he'd normally watch something to relax and just, as he more or less said, was trying to "fill the shoes of HIS audience" rather than account for himself. That's not a good way to jump into any role; if you're going to take a role you don't normally have, you need to plan for it in respect to your personal needs and how you learn or deal with things - not how someone else does.

[@imalwaystired5221]

@@AriaSerif Wow, I didn't epect to get a long reply, but I guess I understand where you're coming from. I don't have any problem with how Mattpat paused the video so often and talked about his opinions and thoughts, but I wonder why Mattpat didn't just take notes and write down all his thoughts.

[@AriaSerif]

@@imalwaystired5221 who knows, yeah I tend to have rather long replies when I comment, or decently long at least.

[@AndreggvilJammer]

Personally, I do think that FuhNaff provides a lot of compelling points about Patient 46 being Charlie, but all of it is more present in the second half (which I really wish they could have gotten to). It fits better than Gregory does because we simply don't know enough about him. At least with Charlie, there's a fair bit more to work with that does actually fit in with what we know about Patient 46, even if some of it may be contrived or seem out of the realm of possibility. But as a bit of feedback for MatPat with these theory-reviewing videos, it would be great if he could watch through the whole thing mostly unpaused a first time before going back to break down the nitty-gritty minute by minute. I love hearing him and Tom's interjections and seeing how they react, but it does become a frustrating viewing experience at times since they sometimes go off on really long tangents about points that FuhNaff addresses later on. Regardless of these hiccups though, it's great to see both Tom and Mat so involved and engaged, and I hope to see more of these types of theory-reviewing GTLives!

[@m_artroom]

I agree 100%

[@sakrai36]

That would contradict the whole point. In the rewatch he would be heavily influenced by things said later on which would either prevent the discussion of the smaller points made due to bigger findings or make irrelevant information valid only because of confirnation bias

[@m_artroom]

@@sakrai36 I guess we all see it differently. However it can be frustrating to see mat get fired up about a point when he’s stopping it so much mat forgets the big picture

[@sakrai36]

@@m_artroom You won't solve the story without asking questions and giving thoughts for further discussions.

[@Smiuley]

I agree. I don't even think he has to watch the whole video, but he should let Fuhnaff make his entire point and then comment on it

[@m0002856]

So I think I can kinda explain the “General N/A” thing in a way that makes more sense. Judging based on the suspected format “BD10” meaning “Birthday party- kid turning ten”, then “General” would be the type of party while “NA” would refer to the age. It’s a general party and, therefore, the age is not applicable.

[@LemurG]

It could also mean “no age” since it’s not applicable to a general party. I think your point is helpful in making it make sense

[@anthonynguyen1289]

I mean there’s graduation on there as GRAD which also doesn’t have an age attached. So the format isn’t completely uniform

[@m0002856]

@@anthonynguyen1289 Right, but graduations also wouldn’t have a specific age associated with them either. It seems like the codes all also follow a 4 letter system so that’s another way you could explain GNNA being GENERAL N/A It’s possibly industry standard code as well, but I’ve never worked in that kind of service industry.

[@anthonynguyen1289]

@@m0002856 what I’m saying is because graduation doesn’t need to specify n/a, general doesn’t necessarily need to either. You could just have it as GENE or something else. General n/a works, but isn’t guaranteed to be what it is since n/a is not a necessary part of the code. Anyway I don’t even think that part of the board matters it was just a curious thing FuhNaff and other people had. Nothing points to it being a clue or anything yet.

[@gastonfourt5363]

I think it might be the staff meeting. It's just written off as General N/A because there might not be a subtype designated to such an event in the system.

[@averygrant7426]

according to psychology, when a victim of trauma recalls memories from before the age of 3, it is considered unreliable since memories can be easily changed by the brain incases of trauma in kids especially to appear more intense or scary. on the topic of patient 46 seemingly lying to the therapist, maybe the reason why patient 46 is not being believed is because the trauma occurred before she was 3 (when Charlie died).

[@tonyf4991]

That doesn't work as the therapist states that she lied on purpose.

[@tayloranderson7547]

Memory before the age of 3, it is consy amicable sense the memories can be easy to change by the brain increase of trauma in a kids especially to appeared more insane scary earlier on the topic of patient similar to The Lion to The tempest maybe the reason why he should 46 is not believed is because the trauma occurred before she was 3 when Charlie died).

[@littlemilli5218]

I miss Mirror Matt, we haven't "seen" him in forever.

[@kenjifizz7366]

Ik this comment was two months ago, but I believe he left the show

[@TheDeinonychus]

Floppy discs are called 'discs' because the actual medium the data is stored on is shaped like a disc. The square shape is actually the plastic case that protects the disc.

[@Joya97dm]

I need fnaf barber shop quartet theorists to be a thing. Mat and Tom could recruit dawko and Fuhnaff to be their 3rd and 4th members. EDIT: Wow I didn't expect to get so many likes, thank you very much!

[@SOZOMUCIMAD]

FNAF Barber Shop Quartet could be like an intro skit for the next FNAF Theory Video 😅

[@lldeadkingpittkru6082]

I second this!!!

[@nerdyvalkyrie9230]

I feel like Mark needs to be part of the fnaf barber shop quartet, he is the og king of fnaf and has a really nice bass voice

[@reaper_is_unavailable]

with Theft King as a random feature

[@zman42]

DUET

[@sterlinh]

The striped wires in the arcade could symbolize the Puppet having a bigger part in all of the games if we consider all of the arcades referencing the different games instead of just SB. It makes a bit more sense than the arcades just symbolizing SB by itself. It could be the creators trying to point us in the direction of Puppet and seeing her influence on the previous games as well or just simply a nod to her being a major player when it came to the souls possessing the animatronics (possibly, if the games do actually exist).

[@TrinityofthePhoenix]

Sooo... when are you guys gonna finish the video?

[@PrincelyPiplup]

Tom and Mat are a theorizing force to be reckoned with, I always love theory-crafting videos with both of them, they always catch the little details the other seems to miss

[@randomguy6909]

Honestly my favourite videos have him in it!

[@jeffthepuppetYT]

I need more Tom content outside of fnaf. He brings some great energy and shows so much interest in actually theorising about stuff and it's a really fun dynamic.

[@sunfeatherX3]

My senses are tingling. He may be the new theorist while matpat goes on to focus solely on company running and family things with Steph. Could be!

[@anaherceg7697]

He was just featured in the newest video on food theory!

[@DaniCal1forn1a]

@@anaherceg7697 that food theory was so great, I approve of it as a fellow Brit 😅

[@DaniCal1forn1a]

@@sunfeatherX3 I don't think MatPat would stop theory crafting completely, I think it's what he enjoys most out of the whole business 😅 but taking more time for family and reducing theorising I could see maybe? 🤔 He'd definitely not leave fnaf theories alone, you can just see how well they work together on this IP and how exciting it is (albeit frustrating 😅).

[@AceFaz]

1:04:59 Can't wait!

[@Mad_West]

it's always ticked me off slightly the way mat laughs off some claims from John because they are leaps but he also makes leaps all the time 🤷‍♀️

[@idarblox]

True but that's also what the audience of his theorys feel everytime he makes a leap everyone gets mad or confused and laughs it off

[@vazmpix]

I was waiting for him to reference a book, but what got me really excited was 1: I had actually just thought about The Silver Eyes as a thing because the main character is literally Charlie, and it would make sense for that to be therory evidence, and 2: I own that book and have read it at least 3 times front to back already

[@JamUsagi]

I think the point that Fuhnaff is getting at with the Arcade, is that it’s decorated with puppet arms, and contains moments from every game (in the form of arcade machines), including “Ends with Stars”. Charlie literally surrounds everything, including the endings of SB - so she must be present in some form in SB, further implying the connection with Patient 46.

[@Gamerguy-ud1zo]

An interesting thing I remembered while watching this video is when I watched Charrii5's everything wrong with security breach video he pointed out the therapist performed the Rorschach test wrong as the therapist projected what she saw to the patient thus messing with the opinion of patient 46.

[@SonicFlameCreator]

That's actually interesting, I remember Charriii saying that and I didn't think anything of it, but that's probably intentional. Gonna have to think about that

[@leathehatless]

Wanna bet that the therapist will turn out to be evil as well?? XD

[@AceFaz]

@@leathehatless well, they're all dead so :p

[@AceFaz]

Yeah, they were wrong about that... The therapist was most likely trying to guide what they saw, to see how it would affect their view.

[@GosterMonster526]

I'm glad the boys brought up the friction they feel with new theories and new hands going into the FNAF thought pot. It was starting to feel mean-spirited at times during their last video on John's theories.

[@Tatourice1]

34:00 I disagree. I love your format and I love coming to a similar conclusion and now you've pointed it out, I love it. For years I thought it was coincidence and it did help connect and establish a bond. However I do also like being blindsighted and caught off guard, especially with a franchise as long and winding as fnaf. I've loved our theories but like you said, sometimes you need a fresh set of eyes and minds to look at it in a different way, and that's why I love all theorists and breakers alike. I love every one of you for your special and unique filming and scripting traits, never stop any of your ways.

[@uafgames9061]

I think if it was Charlie brought back to life as a robot, it could explain the trauma AND the happy childhood. She's not necessarily lying, it's just she remembers or has put the pieces of what happened to her before she was revived together. She's trying to process that she has died, but due to Henry's animatronic magic, she has come back to life, and dead her was written off as either a random kid or a twin sibling (like in the book series). It also explains why her files wouldn't mention any trauma and why she would feel like/be aware that what she's saying is a lie. I'm not sure about the Afton connection, tho. I'll probably edit this after I'm done watching the whole video.

[@imalwaystired5221]

I have one question about "William brought back Charlie to life" theory. I'm sorry if John already explained it in his video, but why does William bring Charlie back to life? What's his purpose?

[@harrya9458]

@@imalwaystired5221 man loves killing. He loves robots. Idk man, motive is probably the loosest aspect of every character in the franchise. Cassidy is angry because she’s hateful. Charlie (OG) helps dead kids because she’s nice. William Afton does whatever the heck he wants because he can

[@islin1]

@@imalwaystired5221 Technically Henry her father was the one who “brought her back” by building different versions of her and putting her memories in them out of his grief of the loss of his daughter.

[@imalwaystired5221]

@@harrya9458 Beside Cassidy, the characters motives are not really clear. According to the novel, William's goal is to be immortal, that's why he's does all the things that he does in the novel. But is that also the same with William in the game? Does William in the game wants to be immortal too? I don't know. Just because some characters have some goals and motivations in the books, that doesn't mean the same characters in the game also have the same goals and motivations like their in-book counterparts. But the game never clearly explain why they do what they do in the game, and it's confused me to no end.

[@imalwaystired5221]

@@islin1 If you're talking about Charlie in the book, then yes. Henry is the one who "brought back her to life" by creating four different versions of her. But in my opinion, Henry's more like "making robot version of her to fill the hole that created after Charlie died" rather than "brought back her to life" if that make sense. For Charlie in game, I always assume that she possesed the puppet after she died outside the building based on one minigame in FNAF Pizzeria Simulator (I think it's Midnight Motorist?).

[@the_godbodor7026]

God, I need someone to draw Nightmarrione sitting in therapy now

[@thatdumbfriend4010]

I'm gonna do it

[@casz6986]

And put it on a tshirt!!

[@tayloranderson7547]

For real life it is

[@SpottedLabCoat]

Cannot wait for part 2 of your reaction! There is so much stuff still to come that FuhNaff did an amazing job of finding.

[@saraward8029]

mat let the man speak, you so quick to tear down before hearing the “need more proof?”

[@unclebaba3463]

You mean he proves there are wholes in the theory, isn't that part of the point of watching this, to look at what parts make and don't make sense

[@saraward8029]

@@unclebaba3463 well yes but most of the time he would pause it and ask a question that’s answered 3 minutes later

[@magicschoolbus3948]

I had a humorous thought about the extinct bear line once. I thought that the lack of ability to see bears is the reason Freddy Fazbear's as a brand is still popular in the far future.

[@mokanoki]

As someone who recently started watching Fuhnaff, I love that he presents theories like he's fishing for a mackerel. Give us some slack, then reel us in. Give us some slack, then reel us back in. Give us some slack --

[@logannoahr-leigh8755]

the BABY isn't his? Maybe this is Afton trying to convince his wife that BABY isn't Elizabeth, further hinting at baby being William's kid

[@RorThor]

Game recommendation: Security Booth by Kyle Horwood. You play as a security guard working in a security booth outside of a company lab called Nova Nexus. Throughout the night you must decide who you will and won’t let in. However, there is something that I can only describe as extra-terrestrial or ethereal going on. There are 7 endings (and hidden notes) and no one has pieced together what the backstory is or what is going on in the company. I thought it might be a fun game to play on GTLive! Edit: I forgot to mention that you also collect videotapes when you get an ending, which could be crucial when it comes to filling in the lore.

[@Yazpo]

One thing to remember, Vanessa's birthday is in September and she is American. the 97 in her email address could literally stand for the seventh of September. Especially if it was an autogenerated email address, I know my college email was (first Initial).(Last Name)[Birth Month][Birth Day]@(College Domain).

[@nessie7306]

Ohhhh interesting!!

[@hubdweller9969]

Literally no one does that without including the year.

[@EcliipseYT]

we actually know pretty easily that gregory does want to leave, however he wants to leave WITH Freddy specifically. when he reaches the doors at 6am he tells Freddy "come on lets go I can hide you" or something similar, he wants to leave WITH freddy. No matter what ending is canon that scene IS canon, or it has to be. Gregory wants to leave but the only reason he decides not to in other endings is because he cannot take Freddy with him.

[@prince_chavv02]

He only wanted to stay with Freddy after staying with hm the entire night. He was more than willing to make a break for the exit at the start of the night and would've escaped alone if the gate didn't close.

[@EcliipseYT]

@@prince_chavv02 That is true, I did not think of that. Well that goes further into not that he wanted to leave WITH Freddy, but just that he wanted to leave in general. He states it plenty. Thank you this really helps!

[@DaniL-xu9lv]

Out of curiosity, could the 97 in Vanessa's email be referring to her birthday instead of birth year? If her birthday is in September than it could be the 9th month and 7th day instead of 1997. Just a theory :)

[@jamesgeeks8569]

GUYS PART 3 IS OUT. IT IS PROFOUND AND MAY ACTUALLY CONVINCE YOU TWO. CANT WAIT!!!!

[@danivc5009]

i don’t know how to feel about charlie being patient 46, but it would fit with the statement someone said about how in other languages, the therapists use feminine nouns towards the patient, which isn’t noticeable in English with our more gender neutral language

[@Zekron88]

It's amazing how much these theories make us think in a different way. John does an excellent job!!!

[@ninjascorpion3768]

Insert Everyone liked that meme

[@randomguy6909]

@@ninjascorpion3768 My dumbass not knowing what meme that is

[@zoemanc]

@@randomguy6909 not to worry, I don't either

[@johnman8398]

@@randomguy6909 Its a reference to fallout 4 where certain actions ingame affect certain npcs opinion of of you. If you do an action an npc likes, a message on the corner of the screen will appear saying they like that action and vice versa.

[@alexconners7378]

i mean, if it were me as gregory, even if i wanted to stay and hang out with the cool animatronic bear, that bear also happens to be, well, animatronic, and as such able to tear me limb from limb easily. therefore i probably would go along with him whenever he suggests something, even if that something is leaving. and then there’s the whole bit with animatronic chases, i would totally be terrified that the doors were shutting and i was trapped inside with killer animatronics. all in all, i think that that bit is perfectly normal.

[@obicann8933]

MatPat Nightmarrione is also in Help Wanted which is a game but taking this into consideration glitchtrap has influence on Vanessa so just thinking about this Nightmarrione had a very unique fight in the game. Which heavily relies on dreams like the nightmare security bot section so it does line up sort of but security breach is so complicated but I'm willing to hear out John and his theory. Cause it has honestly been a joy seeing you and the fnaf community trying to solve security breach.

[@joshua.h]

I really want to see more videos with Tom on the couch. Him and Matt have such great chemistry and he has some really good and insightful opinions that may add to reaction videos to other things like arg reaction vids.

[@Kayta-Linda]

Tom is just really cool and professional ^_^

[@cameronwimbish876]

Agreed

[@loganentertainment1814]

I'm surprised Matpat didn't take any note that the evil Staff Bots have facial features that look like Nightmare Puppet, as well as the stripes on their arms when he made the Fnaf theories. I never understood why the evil Staff Bots had facial features that looked similar to Nightmare Puppets facial features, but it was cool either way, I'm also excited to see where the DLC will go!!!!!! 😱😀👍

[@Inqheart79]

I have never played a FnaF game but I’m obsessed with lore and theory and cannot stop watching. Watched all the theories in 3 days and need more.

[@amynewton774]

I would really love to see you guys react to AstralSpiff's take on the Security Breach lore. It is obviously not very seriously and all in good fun. But I absolutely love where you can take the lore if you completely isolate it from the rest of the series. I do not believe the theory is true, but I still find myself coming back to it often and full heartedly enjoying it.

[@tartra]

53:40 - John: "Have we ever figured out those cutscenes from Sister Location?" Tom, planning to openly day-drink: "Nope."

[@WayCzennie127]

At this point, MatPat's brain is fried up. This man can't catch a break cuz of LORE!!!! Where's Stephanie when u need to stop him? 😂💚💚😂

[@Tony_409]

Stephanie isn't here because he thought she was holding him back. Probably stuffed her in a bear costume.

[@WayCzennie127]

@@Tony_409 *gasp* 😶😶 Maybe Tom is next!?!?!

[@elementoflight6834]

i notice NOW, how Gregory and the Crying Child have bandaids on their left knee.... SCOTT DOESNT DO COINCIDENCED!

[@homura7943]

Matpat: “can you give me a super duper? Every Australian within 7300km radius: Turns head abruptly

[@Betuor]

Can't wait to see Matt's final thoughts on this in part 5.

[@AceFaz]

6* He'll do a final summary video at the end probably-

[@LycanWitcher]

Nightmarionne is the only non-Glamrock that's is a collectable in game, so it's kinda obvious that nightmarionne is significant for steel wool/scott to intentionally include them as a collectable plush.

[@candypink08_]

There's also circus baby, bonnie and foxy plush that are collectable too

[@alexmfs]

@@candypink08_ bonnie is a glamrock but was (probably) killed, foxy is technically a glamrock and it's pretty obvious that baby is important. I think they meant it's the only non important character

[@pdd5793]

i don't know all of the plush collectables but isn't nightmarionne the only non-cannon collectable??

[@nav6098]

waitin for part 2

[@misfit.9993]

is it possible that there is a deeper layer to Gregory being a blank slate character and the reason why in this game compared to all the others in the series has multiple endings based on the person “controlling” gregory

[@torpidangel]

The closet door/secret room thing is pretty mindblowing. Definitely the biggest revelation of the Fuhnaff video so far.

[@IcyLightning00]

It's so satifying when Mat says " I didn't think about that"

[@nessie7306]

Righttttt

[@IcyLightning00]

@@nessie7306 Just me?

[@im_not_here_to_fight2744]

The Nightmarionne plushies hold more weight as being purposely placed because there are multiple instances of them scattered around vs the Chica plushie being more an Easter egg for the peeps that do the out-of-bounds travel videos of the fnaf games. I absolutely love that someone has strung a coherent narrative for SB, especially connecting the text messages to actual locations and items that can be collected - but all with an overall narrative purpose It's cool to sorta peep behind the curtain and get a glimpse of how Mat goes back and forth about things in the game. It's incredibly logical - there's well worn method to the madness 😂 [Some appreciation for MatPat, please don't drag me for "simping" :( ]: I feel like a lot of people are being unfairly hard on MatPat for his reactions to these awesome theories. I think he's just trying to objectively look at the evidence being presented and be critical about it. Just because he isn't allowing himself to be swept into a wave of believing everything in the video at face-value doesn't mean he's "judging it harshly" or "being mean spirited". I think that's just how he is when he's working on theories with the team. He's obviously super supportive of John

[@cen_nii]

Absolutely adore GTLive and the crew as a whole, but is it just me or was Mattpatt a little too eager to tear into and rip down every statement Fuhnaff made? Halfway through the video I'm sitting here like, just let the video play a little longer before you pause for your thoughts!

[@TiverMeShimbers]

Matpat - “you can’t deny that Gregorys patient 46 there is to much evidence!” Also Matpat - “look I have my problems with that theory…”

[@BB-oo5ws]

Honestly, Charlie being patient 46 holds up a lot more than Gregory. Matpat just can't let it go.

[@gabrielandriel8960]

He said you can't deny it's a child

[@homerman76]

@@BB-oo5ws The problem with it being Charlie is just in the fact that there isn't enough evidence to really say she's still apart of everything, especially since the Puppet so far has proven to be fairly absent. Gregory just happens to be the only child we definitively know exists in the game so far (outside of the girl in the trailer.) That all being said, Matpat really isn't all that attached to the Gregory angle, just the belief that 46 is a child.

[@AceFaz]

@@homerman76 The puppet was in a book pretty recently, and Nightmarrionne is the only plush in SB, other than the glamrocks... The puppet is Very much present...

[@shanedog5059]

@@homerman76 you have your opinions, but Charlie makes much more sense than Gregory being 46.

[@muune]

i think mat likes to uphold a certain level of quality and polish when making his theories which he is perhaps projecting onto fuhnaff's video. he probably sees things that he personally would've cut or done differently if he were making that video, so i don't think he means to be intentionally dismissive, childish or afraid of being upstaged by someone else, as people in the comments have been saying. we all know mat's mind can be hyperactive and he can ramble, but i just see that as his passion for fnaf and theory-crafting in general. the whole point of these videos are to see mat and tom's (not)live reactions, so of course he is going to pause to share his thoughts, and not every single one is going to be in agreement with a fellow theorist.

[@0zer0ne1]

Ofc he's not intentionally dismissive or childish. Those who acts like that rarely are. It's just he's excessively pausing and over analysing, dismissive without really giving it a chance to play out. This is more a critique and something he should think about in the future. We all have to be grounded at some point and I think matpat usually only gets hate and harsh criticism for the wrong things. Matpat isn't childish he's a dad, so more like overly protective I would say and critical, but sometimes we all can seem a bit childish on how we react even if people don't really understand why. And even if, that behavior should be corrected by oneself

[@GiftedContractor]

I super agree. Honestly the fact that what MatPat is commenting on tends to get resolved in the next couple sentences to me was an endorsement of both creators, because it shows that upon introduction of the idea both their minds went to the same place and identified the same issues and tried to resolve them. Its a REACTION video, of course MatPat is going to immediately react as soon as he has something to say, thats how you get content.

[@Lisa_Flowers]

@@user-iu1ko4lm3v I mean...you can do a reaction video without pausing every 5 seconds and criticising a point before it's been fully made. Everyone keeps saying 'it's reaction videos, of course he's doing it this way' when there are many different ways one can go about reacting to things and pausing less often is totally an option. I think letting John flesh out his ideas even just a little more and pausing every 20 to 30 seconds instead of every 5 or 10 is a better way of hearing John's thoughts. He can always replay sections to hear things again, but pausing before John's even finished a sentence and talking for 5 minutes just results in him making incorrect judgements especially because this is his first time watching the video so he doesn't know where John is going with his point. Like y'all, the only option when reacting isn't the way Mat chose to do it lol. (Also tbf people do sometimes criticise Mat for the way he approaches games/can be dismissive of or make fun of them, especially when he's a bit harsher. I also think there's a difference between criticising a janky game mechanic for example vs. Criticising someone actual ideas.)

[@0deq1ce29]

tbh I think Gregory just wanted to explore the Pizzaplex for free like imagine how expensive it would be otherwise

[@powdereyes2210]

I guess that makes sense, he’s homeless after all he’d need a place to get SOME food and drink to survive Unless he’s a robot in which case pretending to eat I suppose

[@syilerkerrigan2453]

pleasssseee release the second half!!!