This FuhNaff Theory Has Me Rethinking EVERYTHING! | MatPat Reacts To I Solved FNAF Security Breach

[@1ceo60]

i genuinely do love the way matpat turns a 15 minute video into an hour long video and still doesn't finish the video

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

Don't scare me like this. He didn't finish !?

[@robrocker7]

spoiler alert; the first 5 seconds of the video is him actually finishing the video - the irony... it's really irony this time right?

[@samuelbacon9555]

Got to understand the lore

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@robrocker7 is irony still irony if its ironically ironic?

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@samuelbacon9555 don't you mean the... LOREEEEEEEEEEE

[@sofhi12]

Honestly the best thing fuhnaff did was looking thoroughly at security breach and to give Matpat the full game theory experience including the whiplash whenever something goes off rails

[@ErrorNumber404]

Yeah, Uno reverse card on MatPat for some of his more wild theories

[@noobsley1757]

when even matpat rethinks his own theory watching yours you know you hit the jackpot

[@Killcountcommenter]

Hey, so what if Nightmarrione isn't Charlie, but Evan.

[@ArtsyWeeb]

@@Killcountcommenter that makes absolutely no sense bruh

[@smaop]

@@Killcountcommenterthat makes 0 sense

[@Killcountcommenter]

@@ArtsyWeeb ok in theory, no, but in GAME THEORY, just hear me out

[@APersonMusic]

@@Killcountcommenter present the evidence for your theory

[@nataliaborys1554]

Welcome to the late-stage FNaF, where half the theories inspire thoughts like "Oh I hate this. I hate this, but you're probably right."

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

If only security breach story wasnt so vegue

[@Predated2]

@@sammyjaohnson5631 To be fair, what fnaf game lore hasnt been vague? Security Breach left out quite a bit of content making it a lot harder, sure, but in general? We didnt solve FNaF 1 and 2 untill FNaF 4 came out

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

@@Predated2 oh yea my bad what ment is security breach just didnt explain much at all like why and how is greg in the pizza plex why is glamrock freddy the only good one why tf is the fnaf pizzeria simulator building is under the pizza plex things like that and bunch of other pretty major things that just arnt explained at all

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

@@Predated2 while fnaf 1 and 2 the basic story is simple survive night 1-6 + costome night the secret news articles were extra things to explain maybe why the animatronics act like the way they act and fnaf 2 added on to it except the bite of 87 im sure mangel did it but we never got an answer

[@justajely7372]

Shhhh guys don’t you remember Fnaf never happened

[@CUAUHTEMO]

I love when matpat reacts to it and spends 5 hours talking about 1 sentence I KNOW YOU SAW THIS MATPAT, THERE IS NO WAY TO HEART FUHNAFFS COMMENT WITHOUT SCROLLING THRU COMMENTS

[@ShadowKnuxVideos]

I hope this gets pinned. LOL

[@ZephWraen]

And then ends up fast forwarding through the end of the video because he didn't pace his rambling lol

[@elcrikos7369]

Truly a GTlive experience

[@Sarah823-c4u]

@@ShadowKnuxVideos same

[@exalted_space9224]

Same

[@coryvincent9631]

So, I think the cleanest answer to "why does patient 46 lie about their life?" Is that the things charlie knows and has experienced sound like lies. They sound like fiction. So any logical adult will say "well I looked and you had a happy childhood". Yea, right up until the whole soul stealing monster part. So then she deflates and shuts down because the adult clearly doesnt believe her and cant help her.

[@harleenhufflepuff340]

Plus, Charlie did have somewhat of a good childhood, all things considered. Like, she went to go live with her aunt, right? After her father died? By all accounts, her aunt gave her a good life. It's not like the aunt would let people know "Yeah, this is my niece Charlie, she's a robot because a mad man killed her when she was 2 and her father rebuilt her and made various stages of her life" I have a feeling that any therapist would only know the bit about her aunt adopting and raising ehr after her father's death, right?

[@Binarito]

I never understood why the therapist would tell a child they had a great childhood (past tense) if they are still a child

[@jeriahburkholder4917]

Had as in no longer great? Their childhood was great until...

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

True, actually. It could be, because, sometimes when dealing with a person who needs therapy, there are argument of whether or not the things that traumatized people from their child is actually traumatic or if its a mental thing where it seems much worse then it actually is. So she said that because she wants to know if she is missing something. But the therapist did also blatantly asked why she lied. so idk how I feel about it. The therapist pretty sus in that sense. That seems like a very judgy therapist lol.

[@Binarito]

@@jeriahburkholder4917 but then you can’t say they are lying about having a bad childhood because if they are currently going through trama it’s unprofessional to say “your lying about having a bad childhood”

[@tadstrange1465]

@@Binarito These weren't really actual therapists. They're more so interrogators hired by Fazbear Entertainment.

[@Binarito]

@@tadstrange1465 ahh I see

[@dattos140]

So, are we just going to ignore the fact that the animatronic Charlie possesses is called the PUPPET? Like someone pulling her strings and making her do evil stuff against her will seems pretty fitting thematically considering that's what puppets are made for, not evil stuff specifically, but rather executing another's will regardless of their own.

[@dumbly-stupid]

Never thought about it that eay

[@Katestarbee]

You didn’t know this? Lol

[@phoenixvalentina3741]

We know she pulls the strings so it could be a reverse naming thing? Like shes the puppet but she pulls the strings, no strings on her

[@vlizzielizardv]

charlie is was one of the first and she is known to protect the first animatronics. she's not having her strings pulled, she's pulling the first animatronics strings to protect them.

[@Electro-rj1sv]

Doesn't the puppet say something about the others being like animals? And that she's different?

[@jaycolus3893]

I found it. My new favorite out-of-context MatPat quote: “Damn it! Please kill someone!”

[@ViolentlySilly]

**chefs kiss** beautiful

[@Nyx_404]

Time stamp?

[@MrJeeves22]

​@@Nyx_404 32:25

[@inunique85]

😂😂😂

[@judgment5090]

All the dead children: 😐

[@VenomousMoses]

I love that all of MatPat’s reactions can be summarized into two categories, either “That’s interesting, I hadn’t thought about it like that” or “No, because *Occam’s razor*”.

[@LoreCatan]

I wouldn't say Occam's razor, more like, story telling structure and building upon what we already know. Thinking about how this all fits in the big picture from a narrative standpoint of where the story's going, and not jumping to immediate conclusions that don't fit in with that narrative. Like, the conclusion that Vanessa just kills the people standing in her way [because of W. Afton] and keeps getting away with it. It would be too much of a cope out, so it's either a) not what happened or b) bad writing. With FNAF it could honestly be either/or, but we would all hate option b so we're going with a for now. Not hating on John, I liked parts 1 and 2 [haven't seen 3 yet but I heard it's iffy], just trying to say that Mat's objections aren't made just to be contrary.

[@Predated2]

@@LoreCatan Well, a huge part of John's theory is embracing the fact that within Security Breach, the story told in FNaF 1-6 was just a way of revealing what happened in the past of Fazbear Entertainment. Which is what a lot of other theories kept ignoring. And while a lot of the things in fnaf 1-6 are true, it also means that certain parts were too ingrained into the main narrative that Scott no longer thinks makes sense(just like a lot of theorists are extremely close to what Scott intended, but just cannot get there because of certain details being too consistent in the games to be ignored, when Scott's underlying story relies on you ignoring those details). As for Vanessa just killing the people standing in her way while getting away with it, a big importance to notice is that there was a serial killer getting away with literal murder for DECADES. He committed 13 murders, 51 rapes and 120 burglaries during 1974-1986. He didnt get caught untill 2018. So its not bad writing, its just that the people are considered missing, not murdered. Let alone that they dont really go missing in similar way(in the end they do, but yknow, that is something WE know, not what the police would know). Then you might think that they all have a connection with Vanessa, well, they dont. Some have connections with Patient 46, others have connections with Afton, others have connections with Vanessa's alter ego's(not Vanny). Only a relatively small portion of people have direct connections to Vanessa, and those are the ones who realized something was off. That isnt enough to even get close to conclude its Vanessa in any way, shape or form. Saying she's just killing and getting away with it being bad writing, is like saying Afton just killing all those kids and getting away with it is bad writing, even though we know most kids were lured away through the animatronics, or kidnapped when they were singled out, or killed while they were alone. Even when Afton was suspected, he died too, yet children kept on dying. So yeah, Vanessa, or her unknown partners(all influenced through Afton's remnant), are just killing all those people. They dont do it on the spot, nor do they murder anywhere obvious, but they are being killed because they either know too much, or they are standing in the way. So TL;DR: Just because we know things, doesnt mean it is known by the characters in-universe. And just because something sounds like a cop-out, might be because we dont know the details. We didnt know for years what Afton did to all those children, but he got away with it too. Vanessa might not have the knowledge herself to make bodies disappear without a trace, but Afton certainly does

[@Moon.C.N]

@@Predated2 goddamn you wrote an entire essay

[@metalstar_205]

Also just the *huh* is kinda inconic

[@captianbacon]

me who actucully doesnt care at this point, i just like listening to matt talk about this stuff

[@Also_Mercury]

1:20 Watching FuhNaff literally reacting to this live is a level of meta that I didn’t even know possible..

[@tes33720]

where did he do that i cant find it

[@Shadowed_Ninja]

@@tes33720 it was part of a live stream

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@tes33720 I never clicked it but I did see it before. It was about q/a. It was live so it isn't going to be posted unless he decides edit it and publish.

[@SilvaShadow1990]

Reminds me of how KZbin way back, where you could have video responses to videos. So if someone did a video, you could leave a response video to it. Back when KZbin also let you have full page wallpapers and i got creative and made a calendar on mine for games i posted to the channel

[@fairyenayah]

@@stellamariefanboy.6768 I love Stella Marie too!

[@senaruryuin2773]

Would be pretty poetic if the story continues by pitting Henry's daughter and Afton's daughter, the original deaths of which seem to have put this whole series into motion in the first place

[@caril.9384]

Indeed so

[@Bluarlequinno]

it would omg

[@dumbly-stupid]

Original deaths? If anything that would be charlie and crying child wouldn't it

[@ViolentlySilly]

@@dumbly-stupid it's most likely that lizzie died first, not cc.

[@grimmsoul3096]

@@dumbly-stupid there are alot of deaths in fnaf in the first few years.

[@elcrikos7369]

Matpat spending an hour talking about 15 minutes of video is truly, a FNAF experience

[@mar1983horrors]

I’m happy that MatPat likes the idea of Elizabeth and Charlie having a sort of showdown because narratively it feels like an epic finale that was teased alllll the way back to Fredbear’s Family Diner with the whole Fun and Fantasy: Elizabeth is in Vanessa who is Vanny who is associated with the word “fun” and Charlie is associated with the word Fantasy. I know this isn’t even a theory, I just think it’s elegant on a writing level

[@grandempressvicky6387]

It's also interesting theme wise. Both girls were killed by Afton: one directly, the other indirectly. One is the daughter of the business man, the other is the daughter of the inventor. Their fathers were friends and later enemies. They are very alike but the one stark difference is their attitude towards Afton. Despite being killed by his robot, Elizabeth still deeply respects and wants to appease her father. But Charlie had her life unfairly ripped from her by Afton. Elizabeth, other than being killed by Baby, has no reason to hate Afton. There's a good chance she never knew what exactly happened or that it was William's fault. But since Charlie's death was direct, she has no respect for her killer.

[@jacobfoxfires9647]

Looks like the feud between fathers is going to be pass down to the daughters.

[@SpiritOfSpite]

One thing I really disagree with is the assumption that Charlie/The Puppet is helping Afton unwillingly when her voice lines from UCN imply that not only does she not care about him but also that she has her own nefarious plans that don't involve him. Here's the lines so you don't have to look them up: "I don't hate you, but you'll need to stay out of my way." "The others are like animals, but I am very aware."

[@josephvargas2259]

I don't think that nefarious is the right word to use there because Charlie has always been seen and shown as a good person.

[@SpiritOfSpite]

@@josephvargas2259 The only person to ever describe game Charlie is her father which I'd say is a bit biased considering he only knew her for like 6 years and by that point she'd been in the puppet for like 40. She's also the one who stuffed the bodies in the suits which not only helped Afton get away with his crimes but also ensured the souls be stuck to the animatronics and then in UCN she even mocks them by calling them animals. She might not be a straight up villain (yet) but she's definitely not a good person and whether intentionally or not did help Afton in the long run.

[@josephvargas2259]

@@SpiritOfSpite Yeah that may be true but she did that with good intentions and never with malevolent intentions. Also remember with the lines with ultimate custom they are in game made from Cassidy and William Afton not the actual Charlie spirit.

[@Hilo-gk3ix]

@@josephvargas2259 Very true. It would be odd for either Cassidy or Afton to randomly make up those lines not based in reality when many other lines are used for lore proofs though.

[@bluey_eats_ants582]

@@Hilo-gk3ix I'd say, we use the old excuse... She's a child, she most likely put two and two together and thought "Well I died near a robot and I'm it, so maybe they'll live if they do the same" And made that bond as permanent and close as possible. Stuffing them.

[@cjnnyyallstar5415]

I love the little moments of Mat just pausing and going "hm, interesting, thats pretty good" in his head i imagine absolute chaos like that one scene from spongebob

[@jessalynkrenicki1431]

Man, I remember the days when there weren’t any crazy scifi elements in FNAF. Come on now- illusion discs? Remnant? *The Blob?* Anyone else miss the simple days of mass murderer in a Chuck-E-Cheese?

[@soomi5667]

Honestly, things were so simple back then. 😂

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

Right. I mean It was still complicated even then lol. I didn't even know the original story was already solved until matpat talked about it. I like the old fnaf Cause like the pieces were already there in the previous fnaf games but you just needed to fit it together. Good times. When fnaf felt solveable. 🤣👴🏻

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

I didn't mean to put the old man. Idk how he got there. Its a mystery.

[@brun0z691]

I mean kids haunting animaatronics if not sci-fi is supernatural. And animatronics with built in criminal database records? Fnaf was always sci-fi.

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@brun0z691 I mean true but at least the first fnaf lore was kinda basic sci-fi. Now its like riverdale where you think you know where its going then all of a sudden. everyone has super powers or a person goes to space.

[@Airyela]

The secret code on the wall of the secret room wasn't written by Henry to Charlie. It was written by Michael to Charlie. Michael was the only other person that went home to that room after his shifts. That room is highly connected to Michael. Michael found Charlie's memory disk inside of Baby before we send her to the scooping room at the end of Sister Location when you take the disk from Baby who wants to "preserve what is good" and we know we play as Michael in that game. Michael then rebuilds small Charlie ("I put her back together") like he explains at the end of Sister Locations Ultimate Custom Night. He keeps her in that "closet" with a message written to her in a type of coding she would know, knowing that she will be the only thing that can probably stop Afton if he is to fail that night with the fire in Pizzeria Simulator. I think Charlie was Michael’s back up because the puppet was like a “security”. I think Gregory is actually Sammy, Charlie's twin AKA Crying Child, and was the person thrown into the sticky note room after being rebuilt and is actually being PROTECTED by the nightmare security robot (or would scare him enough to keep him there). Also explains why Sammy/Crying Child/Gregory made the Afton family from bots, because he thought they were part of his family after being abducted and monitored by Afton after he killed Charlie. Another big reason I think Gregory IS Crying Child (this is not the BEST evidence) is the fact that when faced with Monty he calls you "little guy" just like CC's big bro did before he got chomped. (Calling him little man etc.)

[@awolters5827]

That is super interesting, I hope this is talked about in a future theory!

[@TreguardD]

Neither. It was Vanny to Vanessa. She's taunting her other personality.

[@velvet_violet]

My brain hurt

[@mentalman4808]

There is zero evidence for this

[@АгентПеченька-м8н]

@@TreguardD no, obviously it was written by Chica, remember the beak?

[@punkyv6560]

They always ask "who" and "where" is patient 46 but never "how" is patient 46.

[@markstadix]

I'm pretty sure they aren't doing very well, considering therapy and all

[@Wovnds]

I’ll do you one better, “why” is patient 46?

[@dylanchurch63]

@@Wovnds I see your reference lol

[@sheriffwangel]

I have a question I need answered. If Roxy's eyes can see Vanny, hidden CDs, and all of the collectibles through walls, AND Freddy is able to see Gregory with the Roxy Eyes upgrade, then how is Gregory able to hide from Roxy at all? That just doesn't make any sense to me. If Roxy's eyes allow Freddy to see Vanny and otherwise hidden objects , even through barriers, then how does she lose sight of Gregory when he hides?

[@paulettuce]

I always just assumed Roxy didn't want to hurt Freddy

[@sheriffwangel]

@@paulettuce But she clearly wants to find Gregory. Whether or not he was in Freddy, Roxy's eyes should have been able to see him.

[@cookiedoodle5582]

@@sheriffwangel The game is unfinished? And had way deeper stealth mechanics in the prototype stage?

[@Aprokotz]

Maybe the way she sees Greg is cause he has a soul and if Freddy has a soul then it like throws her off or something?I have no idea

[@AyMayDayBae]

maybe if Gregory *is* a robot, once he's inside Freddy, maybe it's hard to tell him apart from the rest of Freddy's robotic parts?

[@adampoole948]

If you think some of the stuff in part 2 is far fetched at times, just wait for part 3 MatPat

[@Piggehh]

I tuned out halfway through the last one ngl

[@its___mik]

He still have good points through his theory tho

[@ambislut3261]

@@Piggehh I tuned out in the first four minutes

[@LemurG]

Yeah part 3 was wacky, some of it made sense but some of the evidence felt so stretched to me

[@galacticgamer6635]

He makes matpat look fully sane.

[@LauraVivian]

I do not really know how i feel about the theory itself, but the Nightmarionne's presence on this game is truly interesting to me, it surely means something and shouldn't be ignored.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Agreed, I don't think it's what FuhNaff suggests it to be though there's away too many assumptions to affirm that's the case. Nightmare Marrion being a symbol of her trauma though of course makes total sense... kind of.

[@OKOK-sr2xg]

at this point the series feels more convoluted than complex

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

I agree. Its fun when a story is complex because it feels like every small part is intentional and well thought out but when a story becomes too convoluted it just feels like they can change the rules daily. There is also the thing where sometimes if you go too far with the convolution. You could disembolish previous rules you already establish in the game. With this, you could be extreme with your theories and yet it still feels like its a viable argument considering how convoluted it is. Cause like what are the ground rules? All of the theories even the ones I like just seem so outlandish. Like cool you explained it but also wtf? Honestly thats one of the reasons why I stopped getting interested in fnafs lore.

[@soomi5667]

It very much is lol. Even as much I love the franchise, things have gotten pretty convoluted.

[@juliahock5549]

As much as I adore this franchise, it doesn’t feel very clever anymore. Hope I’ll be proven wrong and we get the most shocking but fitting revelation yet lol

[@Alexa-bp8rm]

What I find funny is we've still never actually played a game at Fredbears or the MCI Freddy Fazbears Pizza

[@heatxtreme9261]

One thing I recently thought of that could be interesting is about baby, she is hinted at being a new big bad in the books, and her robot body is technically an adult form of Charlie with Elizabeth’s soul inside, and the whole body snatching/double thing really makes me think about that ending with two Vanessa which just didn’t make sense at all other than be figurative, but what if one of them was baby in disguise

[@Bransbow]

Something from FNaF AR that, to my memory, MatPat never acknowledged is how the animatronics in that game appear similar to how Ballora appears to Kasey in the "Dance With Me" story in Fazbear Frights. Invisible to us, but visible (though glitchy) through our phone in FNaF AR, or the glasses in the story. It just seems like such a strange thing to emphasize so it MUST have some importance, right? edit: I will keep commenting this on every FNaF video they do until it gets a heart or reply so I know they’ve seen it.

[@Betuor]

I believe they did in the last video or one of the recent FNAF theories.

[@Bransbow]

@@Betuor I think I would have noticed cause I’ve been saying this for a while. Do you remember exactly which video it was?

[@Betuor]

@@Bransbow I want to say either some point during the part 1, of this part, or the first theory reaction. It was sometime when they were discussing the books recently.

[@Color_Splsh]

Post it on their subreddit. Near 0 chance for them to notice it in the comments.

[@harleenhufflepuff340]

Every time Mat pauses the video I feel myself internally shouting "LET HIM FINISH BEFORE YOU TEAR IT APART!" 😅

[@TheTrueNicklose]

MatPat watching a video on 2x speed is a mood.

[@IAmDuobur]

then me watching matpat's at 1.25x while he's watching at 2x

[@finnballinger5791]

I love your MatPat cussing video

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

As someone who cries everytime I'm reading k-drama subtitles it ain't a mood for me. 🤣🤣 but, yeah. Lol

[@TheTrueNicklose]

@@finnballinger5791 Thank you Finn! I hope you enjoy my other vids also, I don't plan on making more GTLive highlights at the time. I know they are a bit rough around the edges.

[@Devilboy_1029]

Me watching [Redacted] channel before it's gone forever. "2× it is!"

[@Ralyx0]

Charlie manipulating Vanessa to help Afton makes a bit more sense when you remember that Glitchtrap didn't have full control over Vanessa.

[@monkeischad]

𝕒𝕞𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕦𝕤

[@TestyAnimations]

Yeah I think that makes sense.

[@uafgames9061]

And if this is a Nightmare Charlie, maybe Afton has control over the robotic body, so even as Charlie is gaining more consciousness, she still has no control over what she does when Afton needs her. Like the plot to a sci-fi psychological horror movie.

[@RahmetliOctillery]

@@monkeischad i found

[@phoenixvalentina3741]

Why does Charlie, the puppet, help Afton? Everything she does is to stop him

[@megafirebird22]

what makes it even better is that fuhnaff is watching this right now live, so the meta joke is just too real now

[@alogarfen9]

Now he needs to make a 2 hour long reaction to their 1 hour reaction of his 27 minute video.

[@leifmcgraw6646]

After they’re finished reacting to FuhNaffs videos, I would love if matpat would react to AstralSpiffs “theory” about the story of security breach. Could maybe be a breath of fresh air for them, or at least a laugh as MatPat slowly loses his mind

[@MemesToa]

Honestly, same. Spiff’s shitpost-type theory has always kinda stuck out to me as a bit of a cautionary parody of the mess that is Security Breach theorizing.

[@LoreCatan]

Yesss!! Would love that as well

[@Mir_Bee]

That would be amazing!

[@hyrixmusic]

Leave it to matpat to find a way to turn a 15 minute video into an hour haha

[@crazylegoids9227]

It’s simple: if you want to watch the video so much then go to John’s channel and watch it uninterrupted. Reaction videos’ main criticism is that they play the entire video as it is with little to no input. Doing that devalues the creator’s work and damages his channel too. MatPat in this case is giving his thoughts and ideas while watching it, because he isn’t only seeing this as a viewer, but also as a way to get ideas HIMSELF from another person who has spent time on Security Breach and researching it. If you came for his reaction, then deal with the interruptions. If you came for the video, go to John’s channel. (Sorry if I sounded rude btw I’m just a little annoyed at the swarm of comments relating to this one thing)

[@hyrixmusic]

@@crazylegoids9227 I meant my comment in a completely positive way. If it was up to me i’d hope it was another hour. I enjoy hearing in depth dives into topics I enjoy, and i’d rather watch this instead of watching johns video multiple times to unravel it myself. I do understand your frustration

[@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia]

Two hours. This is part 2 xD

[@realbrobo]

@@hyrixmusic I think their somewhat harsh reply was because there have been so many comments about people being annoyed at mat for pushing every 5 seconds for like 5 minutes each.

[@TheLiverpoolOwen]

@@crazylegoids9227i agree if you want to watch the original video, then just watch the original video. but the problem is we come here to see mat pats reaction, but when he stops the video every 5 FUCKING seconds to talk rather than actually watch and react to the video it gets real frustrating quickly. they pause mid sentence talk for 15 minuets about something, criticize or straight up dismiss his theories, then they un-pause the video where he then continues his sentence and explains exactly what they where just criticizing about his theory and they will then pause the video to talk for another 15 minuets about that. they keep doing this over and over every few seconds of the video. then because they keep talking so much they realize they only have like 10 minuets left so they just stick it on 2x speed to try and finish it in time. and only then do they actually watch the video properly. if they want to theory craft they can do that, but in the middle of a reaction its just not the right place. no disrespect i love matpat but i think they need to try and only pause it to talk once hes finished with what hes saying, let him explain and show proof and once he goes onto something different the pause it to talk.

[@KotaSlim25]

21:53 I think the correct name that you guys are looking for when talking about adult Charlie is “Circus Baby!!” The word “circus” adds a lot more description than you would think. Just a note for when differentiating between characters.

[@SealFormulaMaster]

Can't wait for the final part reaction. There's some pretty interesting stuff FuhNaff brings up, like how Gregory can clearly see Vanny walking around on cameras despite Vanny using an Illusion Disc that's suppose to hide or distort her.

[@m0002856]

I will say that I definitely agree with the idea that Afton isn’t the person in control right now. The very first thing I thought about after seeing Security Breach’s secrets was that it felt to me like Afton wasn’t in control. Not even of Glitchtrap necessarily. The frolicking nature of the both Vanny and Glitchtrap reminded me more of a child, and I’d think the best candidate would be Elizabeth. It would make sense that she would be forcibly trying to rebuild her father. She’s always been a little twisted ever since becoming Baby and maybe even earlier on. Who knows. But I could see Elizabeth as Baby trying to bring Afton back to life by possessing somebody else first and then desperately trying her best to get him back. I’d argue she was probably trying to get the old FNaF 1 animatronics back because she needs remnant in order to make Afton’s body work. Maybe that’s the entire point of the Blob in the first place. But I think it makes sense to say Afton isn’t the one actually pulling the strings.

[@T3c4_supp0rt]

8:31 He had said here about the different things being displayed from the previous pizzerias, but the specific items he showed were both not from a pizzeria. The purple robot and the purple phone were both toys that were in crying child's room back in Fnaf 4, so those weren't from any existing pizzeria. But then, how did fazbear entertainment become aware of what happened during the 4th game if it wasn't set at any of their locations they owned?

[@CUAUHTEMO]

But remember fnaf 4 was a dream and I think that means he saw a toy from Fred bears diner and remembered it

[@alexandersmatrala7641]

Well, if it is true that the first 4 games were actually just games in universe, Fazbear entertainment could have retroactively created the game assests and made them into exhibits.

[@killernyancat8193]

My thought process was that they were originally going to be part of Circus Baby's Pizza World, which maybe would've fallen under the Fazbear Entertainment company umbrella

[@wheel4155]

@@alexandersmatrala7641 something something merch for help wanted

[@gameuniverse5973]

The FNAF games up to four being games gets supported by this

[@sayansaha155]

Fun fact : I've seen this in the books that both William and Henry has different skillsets in making animatronics. Henry is the one who makes hyper realistic human animatronics while William makes the traditional animatronic esque animatronics. The reason why William invented (or partly stole from Henry) illusion discs is to hide his poor craftsmanship. Think about it. If William can't build a hyper realistic human looking robot then ordinary people won't be fooled. That's why he used illusion disks (and maybe even remnant) to trick the world into accepting adult Charlie (baby) as human. If adult Charlie was not stolen and tampered with by William, Henry could still make it look like a hyper realistic human. The reason behind this different craftsmanship is simple. Henry and William are two different people with different mindsets and craftsmanship skills. Henry is the more emotional one. He used an early prototype version of the illusion discs to warp the world around him and constantly drown himself in his happy memories. That's how he was able to create a crazy hyper realistic functioning human animatronic without inputting it with illusion technology. He was always a family man. William on the other hand didn't care for his family (in the books) and he didn't put that much passion into making a hyper realistic robot. So he stole Henry's illusion disc after his death, patented it, then created Baby. That's my head canon for the novel trilogy.

[@jonah_jo]

20:52 I personally think it's worth noting that "Patient 46" could actually be the younger version of Charlie. I (myself) have been speculating that instead of Gregory in the initial FNaFSB release, we will instead be playing as a little girl with blonde pigtails. I think this is Steelwool's attempt to convey that we will in fact be playing as "Patient 46" instead of Gregory. It definitely feels like these two characters have a connection... maybe they ARE (in fact) the victims from 1983 that possessed Golden Freddy. (Let's just hope they didn't clone them using "Faz-Goo").

[@m_artroom]

Blonde? I mean… she’s black and white lol

[@cursedGalataea]

Yes, Jon mentions that Afton probably stole the discarded original Charlie bot (the little kid version) in the game, while in the book Afton took the unfinished adult Charlie bot instead.

[@ImminentFates]

Looking away from the therapist isn't a sign of lying it's a feeling of defeat from not being believed

[@DarkBunsCult]

Yeah that was my thought

[@Th0rnl0uu]

Okay idk why Elizabeth hasn’t been considered as patient 46 yet. She’s the only one who would wanna work for her dad etc. and used illusion disc or in the books steals a kids body. Etc. so Charlie can finally be dead and left alone. Obviously fact check it. But thought I should throw that in there ?

[@Th0rnl0uu]

Also in the books she is the one leading up to be the final big bags so much that she over powers the “ afton trash rabbit” etc. so makes sense for her to be the one pulling the strings behind the scenes etc. :)

[@neliaortiz9724]

@@Th0rnl0uu the problem comes with details about patient 46's personality. They prefer dark basements, something that Elizabeth hates after being trapped in the underground location of Sister Location; they don't like flowers, which Elizabeth clearly does since she has a pretty big picture of a flower in her room. I do agree that some details line up but things like this (that are supposed to be some of the "facts" that we know about her) don't (sorry if my english it's not perfect)

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@Th0rnl0uu another thing that patient 46 is still said to not fit in that chair even tho the book says Elizabeth has a adult humanoid form now so that also a contradiction

[@Th0rnl0uu]

@@neliaortiz9724 no good point I agree with that

[@Th0rnl0uu]

@@gameuniverse5973 na in the books it doesn’t matter she legit stealing kids bodies so her appearance is changing anyway ygm

[@rainbowrobro9355]

I just want to say one thing, why do you think it's so hard to believe that Vanessa would go as far as to kill a shipping guy? At the time that happened we're meant to believe that She is being controlled by William, who would probably go as far as to kill ANYONE that gets in the way of HIS work. Someone thinks Vanessa isn't cut for the job? gone. Someone is just annoying? gone. Someone wants to cancel shipments?? GONE. William Afton has been the main antagonist of this story since- forever. After 2 fires (technically not 3 cause we're talking before the Afton end), betrayal from his own family (William would see Michael as a traitor), torture in hell (UCN), and such other things, he's willing to do anything to anyone if it means he gets what he needs.

[@notadhdeveloper4994]

That’s entirely possible but usually in this series you come to a conclusion based on hard evidence and it’s kind of an annoying crutch to just used “she killed him” for the 30th time as an excuse to fill holes in the lore and especially something the series would not do since there was a lot of care put into it

[@Miss_Palindrome]

You bet I stopped what I was watching as soon as I saw this notification. I've been eager to see this continued! It's refreshing to see Fuhnaff's take on a lot of things. ^^

[@cerealbeforemilk096]

Guilty ✋ soon as I got the notification I did a look around… sighed… and clicked on it 😂

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@cerealbeforemilk096 😂😂😂 NOT THE SIGH~ Lowkey though ik alot of ppl hate how much matpat rambles but for someone like me who isn't caught up with the lore his input is very helpful and he makes good points too. I just wish he'd actually finish the darn video. Only thing that drives me crazy.

[@m_artroom]

HAH, I was watching johns livestream during this

[@m_artroom]

HAH, I was watching johns livestream during this

[@gunnar1746]

Yeah I'm with Matt. I really like the idea of a new-gen Afton victim in Vanny as a poor girl dominated by Afton and corrupted into being evil having to fight against an old-gen victim in Charlie or Cassidy who each held onto themselves and fought back against Afton. It's an interesting bit I like a lot.

[@notabrittafilter]

the fact that John is live rn makes this so much better

[@tes33720]

Live where I can't find it

[@notabrittafilter]

@@tes33720 I think he privated the stream; he's not live anymore

[@barriath8841]

19:00 I think the Pizzaplex once tried to use the old animatronics one way or another but they were a danger just like in Pizzeria Simulator and were labeled to get returned/scraped. Hence the cat-eating Bonny. So it's probably a leaning factor to that game again. Also, the new animatronics, in general, have a different color scheme like Freddy being much more yellow(golden), Chica being more pinkish and rose than its original yellowish style, and Monty and Roxy actually being new casts being green and greyish blue with the fact of them being new animals. It could be a supporting thing for other stuff.

[@TheGrossDemon]

I love these videos! Theory crafting has always been some of my fav videos, but taking in another persons views and ideas is such an important part of theory crafting and getting a better look at the bigger picture. These videos have been so fun to watch

[@JackedThor-so]

I think the main issue the FNAF franchize is dealing with currently is how wishy washy a lot of the evidence is. You have certain lines, certain pieces that are so vague that, honestly, you could take them in any direction. Was The Puppet an accomplice in keeping Afton in a hellscape, or was it all Cassidy? As is, it's vague and could go either way, all Steel Wool would have to do is toss in a line of dialogue or some other kind of Easter egg to confirm or deny. Security Breach and the FNAF AR emails are infuriating because, unlike entries such as FNAF 2 the details are so scattered and muddled they could be reconstructed into whatever order you want. Steel Wool, with the upcoming DLC NEEDS to look at the scattered pieces and actually add in actual tangible details to bring some of this together. It gets frustrating to go into the lore anymore because there's this sense that, no matter what conclusion you come to, the next entry will toss in some new Easter egg that contradicts the previously agreed upon theories, meaning you have to start at square one.

[@thewindpower4147]

I've been waiting for this episode to come out, it's really interesting seeing how people have different but related thoughts on the lore ^^

[@wicked521]

This is a real reaction video. Actually watching listening and talking about the video while watching. Streamers who watch videos and just reupload them on their youtube while eating and barely talking are so cringe. I respect this :)

[@Sleeper_6875]

After you’ve seen all of John’s theories I strongly recommend Rye toast’s recent video covering it. The splitting of the timeline into fnaf 1-UCN and help wanted-present is really smart I think

[@mistwing1]

Mat Pat slowly sounding more and more like Mr hipo when thinking about lore.

[@OhHoneyJuice]

I would love if Tom becomes a permanent guest in GTLive

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

Bro I love how smart Tom is. He helps matpat formulate his thoughts. He is definitely very opinionated as well. But not in an angry way. Like.. some commentators matpat had before were. Ahem... sorry if that sounds judgy mb-

[@professionalprocrastinator]

he just replaces stephanie lol

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

@@professionalprocrastinator they get married 😂😂

[@emilylong6609]

"does it require you to suspend your disbelief" he asks about a franchise whose current main villain is a digital upload of a human child murderer that was stored in circuit boards of animatronics

[@ahadmrauf]

55:26 One of the things I've always wondered but never seen in any theories is why Vanny chases you into the sticky note room. It feels intentional, like that Vanny must be trying to hide (or expose?) that room, and it aligns if Vanny was the one who threw a bot down in there in the first place.

[@trashman7332]

The discussion in regards to Cassidy and Afton being linked does make me think back to the books. In that one story about the burned man, note how he never actually died, but was rather in a catatonic state. What if Afton never died in Pizzeria Simulator? What if Cassidy had put him into a sort of purgatory, trapping him in his own mind until they were found from the wreckage and scanned into the vr game? Essentially Afton always comes back because he never truly dies out.

[@glitchesuserz9041]

I love how in the witty banter when matpat says this is the part three but the 1st theory is building upon all of matpat 80ish fnaf theories.

[@Mr.ChrisCartoonz]

FuhNaff is slowly taking over MatPats job with every new video 😂

[@andrewhedstrom4113]

I think The Puppet being partially running things in UCN is not a huge stretch. The Puppet explicitly says something like "the others are like animals, but I am aware" which I think is pretty differentiating

[@mythmondays6727]

Yeah, but the same time, the puppet also claims protection over the animatronics

[@LeserGeist]

0:07 seems that Matpat took the assignment very seriously with his latest theory lol

[@blubfish1000]

the door leading into the room with the staff bots before the sticky note room is named ‘CharlieDoor’ in the game files, which is pretty crazy

[@tori5509]

this whole process of ideas being exchanged and analyzed is so entertaining to watch, i’ve loved this mini series!❤️

[@ShyGuyPoof]

Talking about the conversation at 34:11 I think he could be saying while Cassidy is the one torturing Afton down below the puppet or Charlie is up above protecting the souls of his victims

[@lycanpupartist7616]

Wild Fan-Theory Time: Going off the theory of the 'Twin Sisters' with Vanessa having a twin and that twin being Vanny, making them two separate people; could Patient 46 be the possessed/controlled sister watching Vanessa through therapy to make sure she doesn't say anything about whats happening at the Pizzaplex? Hence the 'you actually had great parents' bit in the CD recordings, Glitchtrap could be the one making up a story to gain therapy, as well as be the one to off the therapists when they step too close to discovering the truth? Just a thought, and a theory.

[@IsabellaBusuttil]

I ran here so fast 🤣 I'm so excited to see the rest of the reaction

[@Burning_Soup]

Matpat be like " Stephanie please take care of our son i must take the pilgrimage to the Fnatic."

[@brettcasale]

Vanny and Vanessa are the same person in the sense that they share a body but not a mind, vanessa truly has good intentions and is trying to keep Gregory safe and get him to his parents and do her job not knowing anything nefarious is happening. However kind of like the beast in SPLIT, vanny bunny is her own entity as far as Vanessa is concerned and she doesn't even realize that she is vanny or even remembers anything that she does a her.

[@Crumbreon]

To add convolution to the "patient 46 is using an illusion disk", remember the ending where there are two Vanessas: One on the burning roof and one on the ground outside

[@RoroReviewsStuff]

I'd like to quickly weigh in on the question, "why is patient 46 manipulating Vanessa". Going under the assumption that Vanessa and Vanny are two sides of the same person(which is a controversial assumption I know), I feel that this makes perfect sense. Patient 46, aka Charlie, has been brought back to life by Afton and according to the theory is being given work to do under Afton's control. So at this point in the story, there are three key players, four if you count both sides of Vanessa. Glitchtrap is constantly at work in order to resurrect himself and rebuild his family and to do that he is in direct control of Vanny and in assumed control of Charlie(Patient 46). However even though Vanny is subject to Afton's every whim, Vanessa is still a thorn in his side. This is somewhat supported by some of MatPat's earlier theories that state that Patient 46 is following after Vanessa in order to keep tabs on her. Again assuming that Vanessa is the real side of Vanny, this would mean that Patient 46 is a tool used by Afton to keep track of Vanessa while she is in her normal state, mostly free from Afton's control. This would also keep Vanny and Patient 46's roles under Afton distinct, as being an adult Vanny could operate more openly without drawing suspicion, and Patient 46 could act as an undercover agent of sorts, as their childlike appearance could lend itself better to that. This also lines up with Patient 46's whole side of "liking disguises" as that is similar to the role they fulfill under Afton's command. This is just a gut reaction response to the question, further evidence could either corroborate or disprove this, however, I thought that this explanation made sense taking into account many of the points put forth in the video.

[@alexzander700]

In regards to Cassidy/Charlie being a part of UCN, They were all part of the blob. That's why you can hear all the souls of the different animatronics speaking to Afton. Cassidy may be the one pulling the strings to keep Afton stuck there, but the other souls are still a part of "The Blob"

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Cassidy has never been shown or even hinted as being a part of the blob though, there's no Gold Freddy remains even remotely affiliated with it. In fact Cassidy has always been depicted as a phantom since FNAF1 seeming to suggest the dead child in the suits soul is tethered to both Michael and William. She wouldn't have been a part of the blob. The others sure, we see there masks that makes some sense but if Cassidy's soul was anywhere it would've been burntrap.

[@realtinyjr]

The ultimate guide, the book that is telling you exactly where the lore stands…kind of. Gotta love this universe lmao

[@key_bounce]

So listening to the whole "Teenage Baby does not need an illusion disk to appear human", and she seems to be the "protagonist" of the book story from what I'm hearing, I have an important question: What if she was made LAST? Why assume that they were made in age order? What if this "I don't need a disk, and I can think independently" person was the culmination of his animatronic work?

[@FusedPikachu]

Been waiting for this since the first part of this vid. Love how he makes an hour long vid for a few mins😂

[@TheAndersJames]

To back up the idea of Charlie as a second force that helps lock away Afton, look at a few of the lines from Puppet and NightMarionne in UCN: The Puppet: "others are under my protection" The Puppet: "The others are like animals, but I am very aware" NightMarionne: "Let's taste death again and again and again" NightMarrione: "This is a 𝗡𝗜𝗚𝗛𝗧𝗠𝗔𝗥𝗘 you won't wake from" If Cassidy were in charge, Afton would just be tortured ad infinitum. But Charlie lets Afton die (with a caveat) because she's a protector and a kind soul.

[@casual3123]

The thing of him saying the Nightmarionne plush being called Nightmare Plush is quite a stretch. This was actually a complete accident by the devs.

[@blake4261]

source?

[@InkSansDrawz]

This is why i love theory videos, they turn into hour long things and it genuinly makes me want to rant and do this too

[@GuiSama8000]

The thing that bothers me is why the SL room is in SB? It is connected to SL of all games, but the actual location of the game doesn't seem to be within the mall. Fnaf 6 is, which makes sense. If it's all about Afton and bringing him back, the last place where his physical body was is important. It also allows for all the animatronics within Pizzaria Simulator to exist in the mall, aka. the Blob. Charlie was also there, in Lefty, so she can be in the mall. Also can Henry. And Michael, presumably, in Freddy. But why is the Sister Location room also in the mix? And why it is inside the mall? Pizzaria Simulator is under everything else, hidden. The mall is like a cover up for this one location. But this one room is just there, in the mall itself, like if it was built with it.

[@gameuniverse5973]

I honestly think glam rock Freddy recreated the room like how Gregory recreating stuff from their memories

[@blitzendoggo1097]

1:01:16 Could Charlie be killing the therapists so they don’t become corrupted by Glitchtrap? Remember that the Puppet is the ones that originally hides the children in the suits (“Giving Gifts, Giving Life”). She wants to save them, but she ends up hurting them.

[@owentraverse5679]

Interestingly, Henry in the FNAF 6 ending uses very similar dialogue to the code on the wall. I believe he said something about little breaths of life. Not too sure.

[@living_water_pod]

I think matpat should do a game theory about just addressing these things that Funaff has mentioned as mini theories that could be potential replacement theories in case old theories aren't good enough anymore

[@tatumkj]

30:10 matpat teleports then stares into your soul

[@drewpeacock6883]

Matpat, you should react to astralspiff's theory. (it is a joke theory based on the extreme brokenness of the first version of security breach, but it is a must-watch)

[@gonefishing476]

Mat learning UK slang is precious and I want at least one instance every intro to GTLive.

[@maybelater2160]

I have a long standing theories about the other patient and to post it room but you gotta hang with me for a sec. 1 Post-it Note room a) It means absolutely nothing, and the game is just taunting us. It is filled with references to the franchise as a whole, but nothing specific. I think it is (accidentally or not) the representation of chaos that are fnaf theories. You know, the crazed man pointing at a bulletin board. b) Ok, stay with me there is a lot of things we have to assume here, some of it most likely disprovable. -Gregory is a robot of the crying child -Gregory either re-gained the memory of being a crying child or he lost it gradually -Crying child was second Afton to die -He saw exactly how Elisabeth died (that's why stomach teeth on nightmare freadbear??) -He has nightmares about animatronics killing him not only because he actively is dying (at least not only) but because he thinks that the animatronics are going after him. -No one else besides William and the child know what happened to Eli, and he is actively monitoring crying child both to protect him but also to make sure he won't rat him out. Ok, now that me made a dozen stupid little connections, it would make perfect sense. Gregory is making mental and physical notes to remember what he knew in his last life. Three kids two boys one girl playing, general party imagery (well that would be his last memory), just extremely primitive word "family", birthday cake, just the word "ice cream" with would make sense on the party but the only other time we see them clearly in the series is when Elisabeth died, some kind of bear, but most importantly Aftons with Elisabeth represented as baby, how would CC know that if he never saw Circus Baby as a strong association with her?, also the head of the animatronic is not cracked but missing completely if it was made for example by a robot (or reborn as Vanessa) Elisabeth she would probably portray it as cracked as how it was in reality but someone who actively was a victim of that bite would not remember the details past pain and passing out, or perhaps he was interested it showing that he has limited memories. I think Gregory lost his memories as a CC and is slowly remembering, or he had them at the begging, but he is actively loosing them and was trying to cling onto them through the posted room. By the time we play the game all that he really remembers is that he trusts the bear and that Vanessa needs to be protected (they didn't cut her ending despite the fact that most of her content was removed, so I assume it's because she reminds him of his sister who he couldn't help the last time). 2. Patient 46 a) It's someone we don't know yet b) If it must be someone we do know, it's probably Circus Baby. Either split in half with Elisabeth taking control of a young woman to have a normal life and Baby coming after her seeking to still control her or if Vanessa is just an unrelated parallel to Elisabeth, someone with similar skills, likes, and life experience but far more fortunate, it would make sense for both Aftons to specifically select her. For the first one, it would make sense why a robot designed for staying in the basement would not be the biggest fan of sunlight and pollen while Eli who actively wanted to escape would like them. However with the timeline it's more likely to be the second one. While I do think that they could be the same person, the fact that it's the therapist that brings up her parent's divorce case and not she herself means that the therapist has a clear timeline in her head, and she is not asking further questions like "Why are you not at least 20 years older and not dead or missing" (like it would inevitably happen if she meant Afton family).

[@jamesmarker3956]

The way that MatPat paces these videos reminds me of how I sometimes do my homework.

[@MorningDusk7734]

I still refuse to believe that Gregory was "selected" for anything. Vanessa didn't know who he was and didn't want him to be here tonight.

[@megakittenex]

Vanessa could've been lying

[@MorningDusk7734]

@@megakittenex Then she would have tried luring him somewhere, like her office. And she wouldn't have left to go get suited up before bringing him somewhere when she did catch him.

[@megakittenex]

@@MorningDusk7734 Cameras. Cameras would expose her, and its William's trademark. You "have" to do it that way, she's confident in her skill and plan, its worked enough times for numerous people to have gone missing and be tricked by her already if we follow this theory.

[@jaquwlyn]

Funny that they uploaded this while John is currently live talking about his video(s) 😅

[@itzanthonygaming5327]

Npc be like

[@nyantails]

Hey, what if Patient 46 is an early version of the blob? The blob and 46 both like small spaces, neither can talk, neither are very intelligent, and both seem to have relations to Vanny and Afton. Just a thought.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

Perhaps "Charlie" is reinforcing Vanessa and Glitchtrap is reinforcing the Vanny personality? 46 is there to make sure Vanessa stays in therapy, Glitchtrap kills off the therapists to prevent progress

[@holly.earendil5187]

It’s the day before my wedding and I’ve been running around all day. I’m finally checked in, everything is here, got the aircon CRANKED, watching the rest of this having the greatest hotel nap of my life

[@Sleeper_6875]

Also remember how UCN was the game that confirmed the canonicity of nightmarionne and had them as the cover. They’re more important than we know somehow at least

[@nagidora9334]

I like the way this guy thinks, outside the box and outside the lore

[@Seda314]

Did Gregory pilot Glamrock Bonnie? Before Glamrock Freddy? Why would Bonnie be roaming around out of his typical area unless prompted?

[@Breadanimals]

Watching GTLive reacts is perfect for long road trips. An hour plus an episode? Great!

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

Bro as someone who can't multi task in general. Id probably stop the car annually to re-listen to what he says because I zone out and it travels out of my ear sometimes. Lol

[@DarkKnightGenesis_]

So excited this is out! Time to sit back and enjoy.

[@PotterFreak22]

I’ve got a few thoughts of my own after watching all 3 of these. Especially about the Nightmare/Nightmarionne stuff. And Patient 46. My first theory came up right near the ending when they were talking about why would Charlie be scared of the Nightmare security robots if she’s the one from the post it room and has the knowledge of everything that’s happened to her since she was killed, became the Puppet, gave life to the later kids, etc.? I think it’s because each “version” of Charlie has their own memories that just get continued on into the next version but are not implanted directly. Child Charlie would have different memories from Teenage Charlie but Teenage Charlie would still know that she was a child but not have the Child Charlie memories directly implanted into her system. That could also be why there are so many plushies and references to the Puppet/Nightmare/Nightmarionne. Child Charlie has not yet encountered any of this because her memory is still that of a child that was never killed by William Afton. The whole reason Henry built these “versions” of Charlie was to pretend that she had never died in the first place. So I think that Child Charlie knows of the Puppet because she’s seen him before but has never seen the Nightmare or Nightmarionne versions. By painting the security bots to look like that and writing “In your dreams” on their chests, if it was indeed Vanessa or an Afton controlled Vanessa, they wanted to make sure Child Charlie would be terrified at the mere sight of these bots and always have nightmares (hence the “In your dreams” because Child Charlie would see them in her dreams and be terrified again) to the point she never went beyond the post it note room. Afton knows the history of Charlie, he knows that she moves on to become the Puppet, gives life to the later children he killed, be an endless thorn in his side. Child Charlie has no idea who Afton is because her memories are not real, she was never killed in this “version” of her child life, which is exactly what Henry wanted. And about the robot versions of the Afton Family in that room? I think Vanessa, Vanny, whoever built that is trying to also actively scare Child Charlie who has no idea who these people are, why they’re being built in her “room” and I would bet that whoever built them brought along a Nightmare Security bot in order to make sure that Child Charlie didn’t escape when they were working on them. I certainly would be terrified if I saw someone building creepy dressed robots in my room and having to see those Nightmare Security bots every time this person came in to work on them or add another one to the table. To add on to that, my second theory about Patient 46 came up soon after. What if Patient 46 is the Adult “version” of Charlie AKA Baby using an illusion disc to appear like a child but she still has all her memories? Of being at the Sister Location, of being scooped, of being killed by the first Baby animatronic? And when the therapists find out or get too close to realizing that something is amiss with this “child”, she kills them. If this is true then that could explain why this “child” hates daylight because she was always in a dark, underground room, why she loves candy since Elizabeth loved candy (I assume), why she’s such a brilliant hacker because she’s learned from the best and why she’s “too small for the chair”, because she’s using an illusion disc or some form of changing/“morphing” herself to appear too small for the chair. I don’t see Charlie ever killing anyone that wasn’t Afton or someone she gets confused with Afton (the FNAF security guards) or someone that wants to actively help Afton return like Adult Charlie/Baby. I think Adult Charlie/Baby still has vague memories of being Elizabeth and possibly dying but she’s been so twisted and corrupted by Afton that those are just distant memories and not active, forefront memories that she looks on anymore. Her whole aim is “I will make you proud Daddy”, and the best way to do that would be to bring him back to life and remake the entire family so they could all be together forever as robots and not humans since that time will never come again. This is just what came up in my noggin as I’ve been watching all these videos and I wanted to comment since I think this could possibly explain what John is talking about and possibly tie in what we’ve seen of the Puppet/Nightmare/Nightmarionne plushies and references, and explain maybe who Patient 46 is since the tapes are so frustratingly vague and you have to look everywhere else for even a small scrap of what could be real lore.

[@ViolentlySilly]

Tldr

[@PotterFreak22]

@@ViolentlySilly This is a theorist channel, what did you expect? Short paragraphs?

[@ViolentlySilly]

@@PotterFreak22 oh sorry! Dang me from 2 months ago that was rude.

[@broadwaybutterfly310]

can't wait for you guys to react to his part 3 😅

[@pelahnar4]

One thing I've always been skeptical about with patient 46 going to the same therapist as Vanessa to make sure she didn't reveal too much or something is that...that's not how therapy works? As far as I can think, as long as you have ethical therapists (and out of the, what 5, 6, therapists they had, surely at least one was ethical enough), you're not going to learn anything about other patients from them. I once left my cell phone at my therapist office in college; it was an old phone that didn't even have a lock screen, so he could've theoretically called the number labelled "mom" in the phone and told her I'd lost it. But legally/ethically speaking, he _couldn't_ do that. Because as an adult, it would be a breach of confidentiality to tell anyone - even my parents - _anything_ about me that's not the very specific exceptions in the confidentiality agreement (I think the exceptions are about being a danger or yourself or others). There might be differences in the agreement for a child going to therapy, that might include the parents, I'm not sure. But Vanessa is an adult. Even if she's in, like, company mandated therapy and there's some updates that the company is allowed to have access to, there is _no_ reason why an unrelated child could get any information about her sessions by going to the same therapist. Since patient 46 is a hacker, if their goal is keeping tabs on Vanessa, I'd think that hacking into the therapists' computer or installing some sort of surveillance device in the room (obviously these sessions _were_ recorded somehow, which I'm not sure is normal either) would be more effective. I'm sure you've considered this, especially since "Gregory is patient 46 and his reason for going to therapy is to keep tabs on Vanessa" has always been a "best option available" theory to you, rather than anything with solid proof. If the "Charlie is patient 46" comes with a better reason for her to be there, then that would be a step toward making it a solid alternative.

[@DJTS1991]

I really hope Matpat doesn't have to refine his script all over again when he watches Part 3. The idea that Charlie could potentially be the Crying Child in FNAF 4 (at least in the main gameplay segments - not the 2D segments) would change everything.

[@gameuniverse5973]

Hahaha it went from FNAF four prtag to Micheal to being crying child to being argued Micheal again because of later lore then is now can be Charlie

[@joshualeahy2162]

@@gameuniverse5973 Oh god 😭

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@mayanksingh686 i already came to that conclusion that the mini games are about the crying child but the actual game is Micheal with both taking place in different times of the timeline

[@gameuniverse5973]

@@mayanksingh686 with the arguments you can make for crying child to be the gameplay section protag can also work for Micheal

[@realbiggestlegofanconnor7007]

1 flaw is patient 46 had to have the word “hacker” explained and if patient 46 WAS a robotic version of Charlie then a robot would know what the word “hacker” meant and wouldn’t have to have it explained to them

[@allie7726]

I have been waiting for this video every since part one came out!!! 😂 Excited to watch this 👏🥳❤️

[@playlistprinter9862]

I wonder if perhaps Charlie’s role in ultimate custom night was being the vessel of power that allows Cassidy to enact her revenge, like Charlie is protecting everyone one last time so that Cassidy can finish actin and trap him forever…