Dead Topics: Titans is the worst superhero show

[@guardianHQ]

Before I get another comment about it, the title is hyperbolic.

[@poseidonm7]

not really, its up there lol

[@ivaniawren5014]

"worst ever" is always hyperbolic, and opinionated. Some people just don't get it and live their lives by watch mojo and the like as if the first top 10 lists they see on a topic are gospel.

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

Damn. I thought it would piss me off personally, but I had no idea it was actually going to be bad. It's funny, because the sneak peaks from this and Doom Patrol is what ultimately lead me to walk away from Modern DC.

[@heelturnsface]

Don’t make a hyperbolic title and cry like a little girl when someone gives you a hyperbolic comment. Water finds it’s level and if you say something stupid, you’re gonna get it back.

[@ivaniawren5014]

*wow* so much aggression from a normal statement, and you think it's others who are crying? XD how badly do you want attention kid

[@skeleton_magic]

Tigerboy Stripperfire Batbird Jumpscare

[@DemonicRemption]

@skeleton_magic These names belong in a gag comic.

[@dejinnthedjinn5311]

This show is a gag comic.​@@DemonicRemption

[@ShadowProject01]

Hawk Himbo Dove Skeeze Wonder Bra Himbo in black Tshirt and jeans Oh…and Red hoodlum

[@JTheBeastMcneil]

“You forgot doppy “ 😅😅

[@BusrtNova]

@@ShadowProject01 Damn , these are accurate to a T😂💀

[@andresomerville4896]

There was a joke in Teen Titans go about a older version of the cartoon that could only afford to turn Beast Boy into a Donkey. Beast Boy being stuck as one animal should be a joke not something the audience has to take seriously.

[@randallflagg3700]

Yep, but thankfully he doesn't just turn into a tigre. On screen he turns into a badass gorilla, a snake, a bat, an octopus (partially) a virus (long story), and off-screen into an armadillo (according to Tim Drake) and a vélociraptor (according to Dick)

[@realdragon]

@@randallflagg3700 If he can turn into virus he could basically turn into every living thing including bacteria, plants, fungus and other

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@randallflagg3700 cool for sure bur off screen doesn't count. But as for everything else, thanks. How'd you enjoy the show?.... bro no way it's you again Randall Flagg. Dude you're everywhere

[@3rdDantetherapist]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 it's good up until the last season. you could tell the last season was shabby.

[@randallflagg3700]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 - Indeed, it doesn't count, but I figured I would still list the raptor+armadillo for completion's sake. And indeed, we seem to run into each other quite a lot, don't we? But hey, we're both hardcore DC fans, we both love mangas/animes, and when guys habe the same interests (we watch the same shows, animated or live action, the same movies, we play the same games, etc etc it's not that crazy that they'd run into each other in a regular basis ^^ Long days & pleasant nights to see, sai Leafy o/

[@jackprutsman821]

"Bat Fuckman"

[@Braveheartbronie]

"Man Fuckbat"

[@inkchariot6147]

Buck Fatman

[@Druid-T]

Muck Batfan

[@UserName-hb7hw]

Is there a lore reason why he is stupid?

[@cjhedrick6418]

@@UserName-hb7hw I'm guessing repeated blows to the head.

[@psychoticsy6350]

Starfire’s kind personality was literally the glue that kept the team together. We truly live in the Time Traveler’s timeline…

[@skygard49]

We're the freaking moral lesson timeline ;- ;

[@mayotango1317]

No the comic Starfire.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@mayotango1317 Stop bitching. Anna Diop did great

[@bvshnellzzz]

comic Kori was kind but she was also similar to L.A Kory too, so yeah

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

@@mayotango1317 there's a reason the teen titans cartoon is loved to this day and the comics keep getting rebooted/canceled.

[@sofhi12]

The original Titans didn't need anything else to be edgy, but I'm still mad about what they did to my boy Jason, a lot of media had tried to make Robin Jason angry and edgy, but he was sweet if not spunky and as much as I love red hood, they somehow fucked up the most straightforward of a plotline, like c'mon the boy gets fed up, leaves, get killed and a lot of people think "maybe we were the assholes all along" and he comes back guns blazing and angry

[@Hyena-t4r]

Amen, #justiceforrobin

[@NealaBeala]

Yeah. Jason's story is written as a real tragedy, but no one seems to want to try recreating something similar to thatfor some reason

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Jasons story is a tragedy here too. Because the titans are so broken but never get better. ​@NealaBeala

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Yeah Jason hasn't been a sweet kid in a long time. BTAS portrayed Tim (who is basically jason in everything but the static shock crossover where he acts like tim) as kinda more spunky. But you can argue he was still innocent. But Jason here is both. The actor did a great job even if you disagree with the direction. He was still a kid and innocent.

[@boodlebubby6147]

​@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 He cripples a police officer in his introduction episode. Breaks is spine like a glowstick. Robin Jason would never have done that.

[@zionalbina691]

So you're telling me that Starfire, a literal alien warrior princess with super strength who's body is durable enough for her to survive the vacuum of space for long periods of time, was injured badly enough to develop amnesia.... by a car??? I always heard this show was bad, but *goddamn*, how did they get everything wrong? Its almost impressive.

[@TempoLOOKING]

woke

[@suzygirl1843]

@@TempoLOOKING You definitely giving small dick energy, Honey. Starfire is an alien. White women aren't really warriors, are they?

[@G-LukeJA]

Wouldn't being woke not make that happen

[@TempoLOOKING]

@G-LukeJA the show is woke. The dumb writers are examples if that.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@TempoLOOKING Did you read my comments at all? Or are you too triggered for common sense conversation? DCEU couldn't even make half the box office of the "woke" MCU. And Tom Holland's Spiderman is woke AF

[@Wysteria108]

i love the hell ambience. No generic youtube background music just despair.

[@dioniscaraus6124]

It's all ogre

[@Woogoo336]

Fits the show he's talking about

[@Thorn_416]

He should be in a t shirt on a beach 🏖️ when it’s about a show he likes lol

[@Zulkak1357]

​@@dioniscaraus6124Yes it has layers Like an onion

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

The fact Titans got a season over Doom Patrol is a war crime.

[@randallflagg3700]

Both shows got 4 seasons each. Seems like you've got a season of *Doom Patrol* to binge, now? Season 4 finished airing a few weeks back

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

@@randallflagg3700 Titans got a second season during covid in the later half of 2020, while Doom Patrol was put on hold.

[@BlaxkSun]

@@diegodankquixote-wry3242nope they both have 4 seasons. Unless you mean split season

[@ElasticGoblin]

​@@randallflagg3700 you could've been less of a dick about it ngl

[@NoOneGetzOutAlive]

Lool Doom Patrol was trash too. The 2nd season being all about that baby talking annoying fkn character in her own head. Fkn awful.😅

[@jordy_3d]

Doom Patrol has walking man-eating zombie butts, the Sex-Men who are a group of sex-based Ghostbusters, a sentient street capable of communication and teleportation, and a guy who is WAY too into hair and gains the memories of the people whose hair he eats. It's the absurdity of comics brought to life, and it's criminal that it's so seemingly unknown in the larger conversation surrounding superhero media.

[@happychaosofthenorth]

Danny Street is one of my favourite fictional characters.

[@mushroomlord2347]

It’s still better than Titans

[@mrhopadopalus]

​@@mushroomlord2347I feel like your missing this guy's point

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

​@@mushroomlord2347 That's his point, it's the fact that the show is well aware of the absurdity of comics that makes it good, in comparison to Titans which is ashamed of it.

[@mushroomlord2347]

I guess that makes sense. Sorry.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

As soon as I heard "Fuck Batman" I knew it was gonna suck. Another dark and edgy teen soap opera. Wish we could've gotten a trilogy based off of the 2003 Teen Titans show with elements from Young Justice. What a waste!

[@jonbrewer297]

I don't know, Dick Grayson has, for some 50 years now, had this "I don't want to become Batman" complex. Though he's more acrimonious toward Batman only in the post-Crisis continuity. And he still took being replaced better than Jason or Tim did.

[@bthsr7113]

@@jonbrewer297 He very much wants to not be Batman, but this level of violence is usually done by Batman as a sign of when Bruce needs someone to counter balance him so he doesn't go too far. Dick Grayson isn't supposed to be a sadist or hate Bruce.

[@johnoconnell5004]

What caused Dick to quit being Robin and to become Nightwing in the comics?

[@bthsr7113]

@@johnoconnell5004 Good Question. The show doesn't give a good answer.

[@boodlebubby6147]

Or, you know, the comics these characters are from.

[@artskies101]

Starfire is canonically orange. She really doesnt have a race. But they did do nothing to show she is alien

[@Mortimer_RS]

Technically her race is Tamaranean, which has orange skin, like these dudes didn't have money to grab some orange paint and put it over the actress, like, Zoe Saldaña is black as well but they made her look like a whole different species of humanoid alien, yeah sure she is just "human with different skin color" as most aliens in the MCU but they made the effort and didn't just put an Asian girl or something and call it a day like these dudes did.

[@ECKohns]

If this is the only live action version of Tim Drake I’ll ever get, I’m going to be super depressed.

[@bemiatto67]

Fr, DC's already crapping on him in the comics and we're getting scraps when it comes to adaptations 😭

[@alfalldoot6715]

They've already condemned Tim to the LGBT cage when they made him bisexual, guy cannot catch a break

[@simoneidson21]

@@alfalldoot6715Lmao what?

[@marisstaff7019]

Absolutely missed opportunity to say Dumpstar fire

[@lbelypokelbely1137]

No that’s her not daughter of a self insert

[@trumpeterjen]

Ah, yes, the beloved Teen Titans Not Robin Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way Stripperfire and *looks at smudged writing on hand* Boy

[@UgoStrange]

This is amazing.

[@jonbrewer297]

Cat Boy.

[@johnoconnell5004]

But where's Cyborg?

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

If comics did Jason dirty by killing him, Titans took that and added an unimaginable amount of dirt.

[@jonbrewer297]

Jim Starlin actually only did that because he hated the very concept of Robin. So he decided to deconstruct Robin, by blowing him up.

[@johnoconnell5004]

Judd Winick's Under The Red Hood storyline has a better Jason Todd than Titans.

[@TF2Fan101]

I just had a crazy realization: The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are better Titans stories than the Titans show. Hear me out: The Guardians movies tell the story of a group of outcasts who have all suffered trauma in one way or another, and who are brought together through a common threat. And despite the fact they argue and give each other grief, they still care for each other and feel like a family. And it feels wholesome.

[@Hyena-t4r]

I agree, the guardians of the galaxy are the only superhero property that can actually get a story right. In movies, comics, and video games.

[@flowersanbones]

ideally that would be what the Justice League is like too, but they never get it right lmao

[@TedBilk]

this is a common media trope

[@Necroxion]

​@@TedBilkyeah - so common that Titans has an entire shitload of stuff to copy from and they still failed it

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

​@@Hyena-t4rojalá James gunn sepa adaptar a los Titanes

[@ohthatswild1755]

I have always been of the opinion that race/gender swapping characters should only be done in the best interest of the story, not to tick off boxes or appease a certain crowd. The Boys, as you said, does this well. Most modern media however, does not.

[@sarafontanini7051]

it also shouldn't raise questions or be blatantly problematic. the worst example is Fant4stic where they made johnny storm black...but not his sister, which feels very 'ehhhhhh' because it feels like they were too scared to make their main female love interest black or do anything with her and her brother being different races.

[@realdragon]

The boys have gender swap? But yeah it's more often used to be "inclusive"

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

@@realdragon soldier boy is white in the show when he's black in the comics

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

@@realdragon also black noir is black in the show when he's white in the comics (and a clone of homelander)

[@MarkusNabokov]

It's Black washing, NOT "race swapping" . Why is with when actors and actresses who're cast as characters that are originally black, it's "white wahsing", yet when it comes to blacks it's "race swapping"? It's BLACK WASHING. Plain and simple. And no, it CAN'T work. It shouldn't even be done, period!

[@VaellinTheBard]

I legitimately forgot this was a show. I remember seeing yhe trailer for it and thinking it was a shitpost

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Funny world we live in with how bad shows can get multiple seasons while actually good series only get one shot and cancelled immediately.

[@TF2Fan101]

That explains Phineas and Ferb lasting for so long while TRON: Uprising, Motor City, and Wander Over Yonder were taken out behind the barn and shot. No, I’m not saying Phineas And Ferb is bad, but it’s REALLY overhyped in my opinion.

[@luisz222]

nbcs Constantine show deserved more than the one season they got and it introduced us to the best Constantine portrayal hands down. Matt Ryan is the Kevin Conroy of Constantine.

[@Stew91]

It still depends. Stuff like Gravity Falls and Amphibia and even Phineas and Ferb got to shine go their time to shine.

[@osets2117]

Close enough got two seasons, and it was replaced for Velma 😑

[@CAMELFLAM]

Only viewership / ad sales matter, and most people love watching absolute shit

[@NealaBeala]

As an autistic girl who kins Starfire, Her writing BROKE ME. Starfire escaped to earth from slavery after her parents were killed. Her sister betrayed her in hopes for the crown trying to kill her in the process, but after all of that she remained a KIND and GOOD person. I miss when superheroes were good people. Kids need someone to look up to, and they're definitely not finding it from superheroes anymore 🙁

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

That's also why Anime & Manga has become more popular because more kids are looking up to them than most superheroes today.

[@huntertezz]

There are good superheroes kids can look up to. If only Dc adapted them properly instead of trying to make them edgy. Hopefully Superman legacy will change that.

[@MrAjking808]

@@gimmeyourrights8292don’t lie like that lol 😂 it’s a trend to say you like anime nowadays especially for onlyfans girls because they know weirdos get off to it

[@babyrodent]

Oh, but it gets worse when you get into her backstory in the comics (at least the original continuity). This is because Starfire was sold to slavery by her parents when their planet was threatened with war- her sister betrayed their people as an act of revenge- and it was the only way for war to be avoided. Plus, Starfire was subjected to worse stuff while enslaved, which yes includes stuff that I don't feel comfortable mentioning but needless to say she's a survivor of SA. She escaped to Earth following being experimented on, which gave her the powers to begin with, with her escape to Earth allowing her to become a member of the Teen Titans. While still a warrior, she was also shown to be a compassionate person as well.

[@dannymagdaleno4039]

I feel like Hollywood nowadays FORGETS WHAT A SUPERHERO means a hero is someone who helps and makes sure the person they help is emotionally mentally and overall ok a SUPERHERO IS someone who dose the same thing just on a bigger level sure there might be fights involved but there prioritys will always be to put OTHERS BEFORE THEMSELF nowadays u can't even tell and it's honestly really upsetting

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

I’ve always just referred to “Titans” as “Shut up Mom, It’s not a Phase: The Series” Sidebar: I love to see this channel branching out into also tearing apart other atrocious series and topics. If you’re looking for material, I’d like to pitch that awful “Black Christmas” movie from 2019 or the lady Ghostbusters movie people have already forgotten about.

[@Doub1eSpark]

Imma be honest, I liked Ghostbusters (female version). I quote "The power of pain compels you" near daily lol Not a great movie, but it is dumb fun

[@ThatRandomEncounterGuy]

@@Doub1eSparkyeah, I didn’t think it was unwatchable garbage…but it’s one of those things, for a while at least (don’t know if it’s still applicable), people seem to believe you’re just not allowed to have a neutral or even “loose” opinion on: it’s either the worst thing ever made (and thus you’re part of the problem) or it’s the best thing since the moon landing (and thus you’re part of the problem, just for different reasons). In my opinion, I still think the movie has its perks but I just didn’t find the characters as compelling and interesting as the original-they just lack the magnetism and instant chemistry of the original, and it felt too much like they were trying to make “Girl Egon”, “Girl Peter”, “Girl Ray”, and “Girl Winston” rather than trying to build them up as different characters on their own; just look at Extreme Ghostbusters for an example.

[@Doub1eSpark]

@@ThatRandomEncounterGuy Definitely not as good as the original, but a perfect movie to shut your brain off for and giggle at.

[@OBSDCC7]

It’s absolutely insane that DC had this and Gotham Knights running alongside fucking DOOM PATROL AND PEACEMAKER

[@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming]

17:43 this part hurt me inside so bad. This is not the Starfire we know, and the show wants us to pretend attacking restaurant patrons for no reason is cool. How on earth did these edgy fanfiction writers who didn't grow out of middle school get hired to write for this show??

[@ryohoshi8445]

They ticked boxes on the mandatory diversity & there were no worries about them possibly having a day job doing anything.

[@sarafontanini7051]

the original comics version of starfire actually did kill people at first. however the difference was she wasn't cruel and she didn't torture people, she only killed because that's how she was a taught as a warrior and also had some trauma from bing tortured. Most importantly, the moment she tries to kill a villain mid battle robin tells her "NO. Stop that. bad." and she goes through an arc where adjusts to earth and being a hero and not jsut a warrior. people kinda forget that Starfire IS a warrior.

[@dillydraws]

@@ryohoshi8445 Okay what you just said was super dumb. The develops of the show were 3 white guys, one who helped write batman and robin, another a producer of Arrow, flash and Green Lantern and the other is Geoff Johns, writer on Aquaman, ww1984 and stargirl. And their track record shows why this show was dark and edgy because that was the thing back in 2018.

[@ryohoshi8445]

@@dillydraws I don't know how to tell you this, but the developers of a show are not the writers. It's...ah...the writers. Don't call someone 'super dumb' when you can't spell, can't use the shift key, and can't figure out that writers do the writing. Also, quick check and more effort than I actually care to put into this (specifically: scrolling the Wikipedia page for the show) shows like 9 writers. Of the developers: Greg Berlanti only got 'story by, credit, Geoff Johns has credit for 4 episodes, Akiva Goldsman has credit for 2, and all of this may simply reflect who by the arcane rules of the WGA 'earned' writing credit. Figuring out past this I legit don't care to try to do. That said, it's worth noting that none of the developers got tagged as the story editor... They also were aiming for a more adult Riverdale. Yeah. Definitely nailed the whole idea of a more adult version of a good ol' sketchy dumpster on fire. (Plus this show went into development in 2014.)

[@randallflagg3700]

She had a perfectly good reason to defend the waitress & herself against 3 drunk thugs who were getting violent and had stolen the barman's phone so he couldn't call the police.

[@Anijah2001]

Say what you What about Teen Titans Go, but at least it respects the source material better than the light action Titans

[@nota444tm2]

ttg even acknowledges tt and go "wow...we could be so cool...". they know it. and respect it. they aren't our teen titans. they are a parody and they know it.

[@alexmartin3143]

I like TTG

[@jonbrewer297]

Even some of the worst jokes on GO! have some relevance. (Why would Speedy use wet wipes? They're for his baby.)

[@juicebox7372]

​@jonbrewer297 Ttg is also weirdly educational sometimes like and they are really good at it too. Cinco de mayo Pyramid schemes (Hell even) Pig Latin(Which is a language I didn't even care about but they taught it so well that I was actually interested in it for at least a week)

[@ConcerninglyWiseAlligator]

To be fair, in the original show and the comics, Raven's dad IS a super demon called Trigon, so that wasn't sharpened for the show.

[@sarafontanini7051]

well since you asked as someone who read the comic years i'll try and explain what's differnt there: -first raven. her powers are completely different, as she's an EMPATH who can sense and manipulate the emotions of others (she doesn't do the latter often) and has other psychic abilities tied to it like give people visions and dreams and can also astral project her soul as a giant ghost bird. She's actually the one who brings the team together by willfully going to them and guiding them together. She's actually not as terse as most versions like the cartoon do, at worst she has trouble connecting to people and undertsanding the limits of what she should do morally (though she's very moral usually) and can be quite distant to people despite her abilities and wanting to do good, which leads to conflict later on as noone can be sure what side she's on despite her attempts to be a hero. -robin's the leader naturally, like batman he makes up for his lack of powers compared to his teammates wth his level headedness and intelligence. he's also the glue of the group, keeping everyone together and trying to instill morals into everyone, he's actually the one who maintains the no murder rule (mostly towards starfire) -starfire's SUPER different from her cartoon self. She's a warrior princess from tamaraan and thus has lived her life with her people's principles as well as fighting her evil sister's attempts to murder her. She actually joins the team after escaping evil alien slavers. Her powers are actually a result of experiments done to her by her kidnappers and not part of her abilities as an alien and the torture of the experiments is aprt of why she's so...testy at first when she's introduced. She's actually okay with murdering her enemies because that's just how she was raised and Robin has to corral her and teach her to not do that. She does still have the "alien learnign human culture" thing but its not as pronounced as she's not as naive as she is in the cartoon, but she is quite loyal and friendly outside of combat once things settle. -beats boy is a friendly goofball who also likes to flirt with the girls. I think he's also rich as fuck. Oh and he actually goes by changeling at this point, beast boy was his name when he was a younger hero who was in Doom Patrol. -there are ther members of the team. of course we all know cyborg, but there's also wonder girl (wonder woman's sidekick) and kid flash (who is introuced wanting to leave the hero life and actively avoid joining the titans so raven does her one immoral act in the story by using her powers to make him fall in love with ehr so he'd be willing to oin the team which leads to conflict betwween her,him and the rest of the team later on)

[@TempoLOOKING]

So how does Raven exist? So demons from hell exist. Raven is the rpe child of a demon and a humanoid spieces. Yet angles don't exist and not try to kill her. She would be considered a Nelphiium and need to be killed, purged? "Hey Michle you missed one.😂". Also wouldn't that hole invasion violate the rules of hell? IN particuler from Abazle who you know inforces the rules with the judges of hell.

[@marocat4749]

@@TempoLOOKING the cartoon has her mom escaping to her to the azaroth dimension to light magic monk looking mages, teaching raven, trigon destroys them and raven ends on earth. Ther is also a doomsday prophecy incolving her. that all comes up in a later season. But yer her being a spawn of sata n that has trauma anbd a hard tome emotionally controlling her powers and trust issues, is in the cartoon. Raven is just a cool character usually there with crazy powers but issues involving them emotionally and trauma wise. Ok protecting her is finme, whats terrible is that they are supposed to become friends and like help each other through that stuff. The original titans seem, darker. an more edgy, but also, probably still friends. And beast boys caracter actually makes him a cheerful jokey guy that uses that as fassade to cope with his trauma and help people. He is actually beastboy, but he is wasted in that edgy show. If he cant actually cheer people up. And starfire , is , badly written but once she gets her memory its, ok. She could be nor be more kluke the warrior princess that is , no we must keep them edgy dark, no place for any of character process to not be as edgy. Ok starfire having a streak to beat up poeople makes actually sense in character, its very questionable writing, but she is a warrior princess, her beating them up, starfire has a violent streak. And her training kicking in without memory and wisdom to restrain, ok i buy amnesic starfire beat up random people, niot that its any good writing here.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

I didn't know Starfire was more violent in her original version.

[@jonbrewer297]

​@@TempoLOOKING I assume angels are like the Spectre, who is literally God's vengeance. The Spectre can't do a thing until there's an absolute cosmic danger. So when Crisis on Infinite Earths (which literally ends in the multiverse being destroyed) happens, he could only intervene near the end, during that fight between all the remaining heroes (Crisis on Infinite Earths has a HUGE body count. Over 300 deaths in the main comic, and that's just people with names I can remember.) The actual fight between him and the Anti-Monitor, and Krona viewing the fight, is what destroys the multiverse, and replaces it with a single universe, different in subtle ways. So maybe it's best that the angels don't intervene all the time. Zero Hour it's the same thing. Only after Hal Jordan accelerates time past the heat death of the universe can the Spectre intervene.

[@Superlad9494]

​@@TempoLOOKING The doomsday thing. Raven is supposed to be part of doomsday...she is the maiden of doom. This will ultimately happen. Sure Raven had went to Azarath for a time and is with the Titans for a time, and then she's elsewhere for half a time, and she's protected as long as Donna Troy is around because Wonder Woman's =W= has always been a stylized eagle, and Donna never changed the symbol even when the =W= on Diana didn't have a beak for twenty-three years between 1983 and 2006. If something happens to Donna, then that means Raven's doomed. This also applies to Raven and Troy on Earth-11. Eagles protect. Remove the Eagle and you will be getting a lot of trouble Hawked up while waiting for the Dove of Peace to calm things, same with Bats needing Robins.

[@elmono6299]

The fact that they canceled Swamp Thing and allowed this God-awful painfully cringey TV show to continue really pisses me off. 🤢🤮😡🤬

[@lukaluukaa]

swamp thing i will never forget you

[@kailevil3444]

Man, I must finish the show, but some things happend in life, and also the relevation episode made me feel strange.

[@VainerCactus0]

I would never consider calling Starfire "Stripperfire" in any other version but this one, despite her costume being less revealing. Agreed on Doom Patrol, it's a great show.

[@suzygirl1843]

Ah, a virgin in the comments section. Multiple of them. real men aren't scared of sex or women.

[@VainerCactus0]

@@suzygirl1843 It'd actually been quite interesting for me to observe exactly which comments you replied to, I really can't tell if you're just a socially awkward nerd who watches too much CW or if you're a bot of some kind. I saw you copy pasted this exact comment elsewhere too. I think KZbin deleted some of your comments, so you might want to run over this section once more. On the off-chance you're a real person and not a bot, you don't need to be excessively hostile to leave feedback. If you do feel the need to be insulting, I personally would prefer if you were more creative and original. A cutting remark would be more effective than a weak and poorly directed statement that could only be considered tangentially related to the original comment. Ideally you should consider the comment and craft a unique response rather than copy paste that. Just in case you are a bot, here are some keywords I think your programmer has you looking for. Stripperfire Batwoman Titans Anna Diop Starfire Comic

[@suzygirl1843]

@@VainerCactus0 Nice try. Bottomline is most of you nerds whining and crying about diversity are actually deflecting the REAL issue that you have. Couple of years ago I recall a certain group who cried "You will not replace us". And what do we have today, a bunch of incels who really can't do anything about women's choices threatening women and minorities anything different. You really can't do anything about your impending minority status and eventual population collapse.... what with immigration and abortion rights so why bother cry about something that's inevitable??? It's entirely YOUR own fault and you can't admit it to yourselves that YOU are the main problem.

[@RecSteady]

That first teaser where Robin says "Fuck Batman" let me know I was gonna fucking hate it.

[@krnatsu]

I was actually thinking about this like 30 minutes ago, so this perfect timing. I also did a video ranting about this 2 years ago talking about how it butchered the characters. It looks like it's made by people who think the only reason DC is liked is because it's dark, which I don't need to explain why that's such a childish mindset. But to summaries for, one the Titans and Teen Titans are 2 different teams. The Teen Titans are, well teenage heroes, some who are, others who aren't proteges to members of the Justice League. Such as the different versions of Robin, Aqualad or Beast Boy, Raven and so on. The Titans meanwhile are the adult versions of the founding members of the Teen Titans, those being Nightwing, Wally West Flash, Donna Troy the former Wonder Girl, Tempest formally Aqualad and Roy Harper the original Speedy, now Arsenal. But that's a superficial issue. What's even worse is Garth (Tempest) is already dead and is a NOTHING character. Donna dying at the end of season 2, despite there being NO set up to her dying, meaning her death accomplishes nothing, because she doesn't really do much of anything. And I'm with everyone in how they butchered Jason's Arc as Red Hood, its a perfect example of how this show is melodramatic edginess that misses the point of the characters they're writing. This show had 6 producers, one of which was Jeoff Johns, who was head of DC for a time, but his presence feels so minimal because he's probably just there to approve of shit. The majority of the producers have actually worked on Supernatural....I'll let that sink in. There's already so many series like Titans such as the Teen Titans series, Young justice and the Animated movies. If you wanted to watch a good story with the Titans/Teen Titans you could go watch those. And if you weren't interested in the Titans or Teen Titans, this show will not change that whatsoever because its Titans in name only. What's worse is Brenton Thwaites the actor who plays Dick, could've been a GREAT live action Nightwing, the problem is Dick in this show acts more like Jason Todd and Jason acts more like Damian Wayne, but if he never became Robin. Thats just the tip of the ice berg of what I think makes this show a steaming pile of Tween dogshit that you'd find on FanFiction.net. I can't even with this show, it's just such a great example of misunderstanding why DC or by extension the Titans and Teen Titans are loved

[@freman007]

I can completely agree with your observations on difficulty. Look at the original Suicide Squad movie. You have some street level characters taking on what is effectively a Superman villain. You need some contrived asspull just to avoid them being completely destroyed. Even though it's an overdone trope, at least in manga, when they have a character confront a "demon king" that character is 50 Shades of Badass themselves, and are probably the most powerful thing in the entire story. If you have a character fight a god, with any realistic expectation of victory, then that character has to be running in the god leagues themselves. Of course that also means lower level threats aren't, but at least your character is consistent.

[@thechaotichero9130]

You know, the best way I can say this is that for difficulty it is always best to start it low and then raise the stakes higher. I mean some anime do this like dragon ball z where they train to get stronger or even demon slayer where the main character tanjiro starts off weak fighting weak demons but later on after gaining experience and strength they go fight muzan. Even there they needed a few people to beat him. I am a story teller and a good advise I can tell others are to start off easy and then hard but if you do make the protagonist fight a extremely hard enemy in the beginning either make the hero lose to show how strong the enemy is and have the protagonist get saved or do it Harry Potter style and have the main villain and main hero start off weak and throughout the story have them meet each other in difficulty.

[@jonbrewer297]

Same problem with the second one. Starro is a Justice League-level villain.

[@theconqueringram5295]

I grew up watching the OG Teen Titans show. Man, this series just should not exist. It's amazing how they butchered the characters and without Cyborg it just feels incomplete.

[@baddragonite]

Based on my understanding the teen titans comic was always more mature than the original cartoon but not necessarily in a "dark and gritty" sorta way but more like an after school special sorta way. I've heard it been compared to the vibe of the Young Justice cartoon if you've seen that Also Raven was older than the rest of the team in the original comic

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

all the characters are older in the comics compared to the cartoon, and the target audience was ment to be older. and most of the differences comes from these 2 factors.

[@jonbrewer297]

It's kind of... The Haney run is very light-hearted and sort of like Teen Titans GO! but good. The Wolfman run reimagines the characters in a darker sense. By the end of the Wolfman run, it had gone the same grimdark way as all 90s comics, though, and it becomes unbearable by that point. Also, changes start happening way too fast for the audience to keep up with. You need to establish a status quo before shaking up the status quo again For example, here's the basics of Titans Hunt: The Titans are kidnapped by the Wildebeest Society, who are led by Jericho, who is possessed and looking for new bodies now that the old ones are gone. During this time, we're introduced to grimdark Titans from the future called the Team Titans. And they evten have a new Terra. Oh, and Cyborg is a vegetable (and gets a new body as a Soviet killbot), and Golden Eagle (Remember him? Me neither.), Danny Chase, and Raven and her mother are all dead. And Titans Tower is destroyed. But Red Star is now on the Titans, and controlling Soviet Killbot!Cyborg. Jericho is killed by Deathstroke as well, but at this point, there's nothing left of him. (Oh, he comes back years later, crazy.) All of that in some 15 issues.

[@Bucket-the-lizard]

Holy shit was talking to one of my friends about this two weeks ago and only 3 minutes in and you literally just said almost word for word what he said about how Titans is in the opposite direction of Teen Titans Go and being really edgy

[@Bucket-the-lizard]

Also hardcore agree with what you said about writers having to make us care about the characters if they really want those deaths to hit

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

I remember thinking the exact same thing when it was new!

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

I watched the first episode of this show when it was first released and it felt like I was the only person on the planet who hated it. I couldn't think what people saw in it! I didn't think it would be like the 2000s cartoon, obviously, but the violence was grotesquely excessive, the characters felt flat as pancakes, I disliked how they changed the ages, it felt stupidly overdramatic (I can't agree enough about the Raven's mother death scene - I felt exactly the same way when watching Percy's Mum die in the new Percy Jackson series) and don't get me started on how they straight up forgot to paint Starfire orange! I thought it was so awful I couldn't bear to watch another episode. It was a real shame, as I thought that Ryan Potter sounded like a good choice for Beast Boy! He was really wasted by the poor writing, it seems. 😣

[@Madjiul]

I feel they portrayed the Tamaranians as being black in this because they are supposed to be a different ethnicity but painting people orange would have looked shit so I prefer that over starfire looking like Donald trump😂

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

@@Madjiul OH MY GOODNESS XD XD XD

[@KaiKrimson56]

Raven's Mom being an ordinary woman doesn't make sense. In the cartoons (DCAMU and the 2003 cartoon at least), her mother was a sorceress that goes missing after Raven is born.

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

@@KaiKrimson56 Oh yes! I forgot.

[@rorschach1985ify]

@@Madjiul So instead you prefer her looking like a cheap ghetto hooker? She would look like shit regardless but at least she would resemble the comics instead of being some trashy looking prostitute.

[@PauloJrchannel]

I'd love for this channel's gimmick to just become dead topics. Stuff nobody has mentioned in like two years, but you still have something to say about it, so you make the video anyway, knowing damn well nobody cares about it anymore.

[@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo]

He's going back to the past. To review the dead topics that suck ass.

[@buttscarlton1490]

The Rings of Power should be the next video topic

[@KaiKrimson56]

He's basically Nostalgia Critic without the skits and better research on the topics he talks about.

[@nintavito546]

I completely forgot this show existed

[@Vegitodraws]

My biggest issue with the Titans TV show as a comic fan is how they treat the Robins and Batman. Each Robin and Batman has "something" wrong with them on a fundamental level that fucks up their character on an adaptation standpoint. First of all, Dick Grayson is not edgy Robin. Point, blank, period. Let's be clear, because Dick was raised by Batman first, and Batman was an imperfect father at that time, it did leave Dick with a few mental scars. From an adaptation standpoint, this is best shown in Teen Titans 2003 and the TNBA episode "Old Wounds." Nightwing has some edge, but he isn't stabbing criminals in the fucking balls. The premise of Nightwing on a greater standpoint within the DC universe is to be "The Better Batman." Be everything Bruce isn't, and correct his faults. He should not be a Daredevil wannabe grinding criminal's faces into glass because that's something old Bruce would do. Not the Nightwing who bailed on Bruce after he saw him interrogate a father in front of his child. Jason probably gets the worst treatment. He gets turned into some edgy frat bro, when his darkside in the comics comes from him being a street kid. As a result, he gets down and dirty, but also empathizes with Gotham's plight on a deeper level. Even as Red Hood, he isn't an outright criminal running an elaborate smear campaign. He's genuinely doing what he thinks is right to save Gotham. If you can't eradicate crime in Gotham, control it and take out a few scumbags along the way. If you want to see the best version of this, watch "Under the Red Hood" the movie, since the comic tended to get a little distracted. Tim has the least flaws, but the MOST fundamental one. Batman is literally retired. He still WANTS to be Robin, but that's not the same. Tim is, objectively speaking, the best Robin Batman ever had. He understands the purpose of Robin is to be Batman's perfect side kick. When he assumed/begged for the role of Robin, he did it knowing that without a Robin, Batman reverts back to his state before Robin. An angry, vengeful soul, self-destructively taking out crime. Tim is a great detective, he is the best technician, an ok combatant, and a great foil to Batman. Tim levels Bruce, and without Bruce even being a part of a show, you have a Robin devoid of his core traits and the person he needs to bounce them off of. Also, Bruce got some serious character assassination in season 3. I already didn't like him for the first 2 seasons because he's too old, but to add the fact that he was DELIBERATELY looking for replacements to Jason less than a week after he died is so out of character, that it makes me sick. Batman doesn't LOOK for Robins, and he certainly didn't after Jason. When Jason died in the books (under completely different circumstances), Batman didn't want or have a Robin for years because he saw to the max how dangerous it was. That's why he was so resistant to letting Tim into the Bat family. So to do this thing to drive a wedge between Dick and Bruce for fake drama is insulting.

[@androidmk5987]

Also something I want to share about Beast Boy is that it is more than just animals. He can pretty much turn into any creature he can think of, he's turned into aliens, dragons, etc. And later on he could even turn into an amoeba and commit mitosis.

[@elijahbannis6474]

I can tell the writers really wanted to make it like the Snyderverse tone.

[@procow2274]

Why would a car crash affect starfire?

[@mpd1732]

I'd say even if something is based in the comic, you can still 100 percent make the case that it's still bad and stupid because the culprit here is the writing/writers. Like, yeah I can believe Raven's demon father was in the original, just like I can believe it was actually written well there. Here? Nope.

[@TF2Fan101]

Heck, in the 2003 series, the Trigon arc took an entire season, and the culmination of that arc was an AMAZING trilogy of episodes that ultimately resolved Raven’s emotional control issues.

[@Superlad9494]

​@@TF2Fan101 or did they...had the show continued on past season 5...it would have been revealed that Raven only conquered one of her imps...those issues will come and go...she even says as much in the finale of season 4. Her parental issues were resolved, but never her conflict with Trigon. Eventually she will have to learn to make like Queen Elsa and let all her anger and shyness tendencies go.

[@bubblybobabubbles]

The Titans show is to the Teen Titans what the All-Star Batman & Robin comics are to Batman. For reference, no one refers to that Batman as Batman, we just call him Crazy Steve.

[@jonbrewer297]

Now imagining Donna saying "Out of my way, sperm bank."

[@jimmyclimer594]

Star fire can be black, her skin tone was orange in the comics. Light brown can look orange but she needed to act weird and fuck up earth customs while having th confidence of " nailed it".

[@Smartcoughdrop]

I had no idea this show got more than one season

[@JesterEx]

Far too many bad shows are getting multiple seasons these days :/

[@JesterEx]

27:46 thank you! I hate when we're expected to care about a death before we've gotten a chance to know the character, or at the very least the character the murdered character is important too.

[@ReverendDudeKyle]

"These characters suck individually, and as a team they suck even more." Had me cacklin' subbed

[@StefunnyStrange]

Your comedy/humor/sarcasm is top notch. Now subscribed.

[@ArcTrooper269]

2:45 As a comic reader, The best way to describe it is saying those characters as well adapted as the Fantastic 4 in the 2015 movie

[@superfarful]

I wouldn't know I didn't see it based on how awful the trailer was

[@raymondwalker3020]

I don't care if Star fire is black I just wanted her to have orange skin since it made her alien race stand out.

[@trolleymouse]

One of the things the show absolutely drops the ball on is explaining Hawk and Dove's powers. I mean you came away not knowing they even had powers, but in the comics, Hawk is literally the AVATAR OF WAR. Super strong, super agile, super durable, accelerated healing, danger sense, enhanced vision, flight, claws ... think Spider-Man mixed with Sabretooth.

[@lookingforlove839]

I don't think they were supposed to have any powers in the show. I mean, how else was hawk that lame that he gets his ass kicked by just random thugs? And he was played by Alan Ritchinson. How did they make him that lame?

[@aguyirl]

Also, yea, for the most part the characters in titans are nothing like their comic counterparts (from what i've read). Starfire, Raven, Robin, Hawk and Dove i hated in this show, i dont remember hating beast boy as much, but i've always been more indifferent towards him as a character so it just might be that.

[@suzygirl1843]

You didn't read the comics, clearly. Titans' Starfire is closer to comics version than the animated shows. They definitely sanitize her for kids

[@aguyirl]

​@@suzygirl1843 that's presumptuous. I never watched the cartoons, so i don't have those for comparison. The only thing i've read with Starfire is Red Hood and the Outlaws. If you're saying the titan's version is closer to that than the teen titans version is - that's fine, doesn't mean she's similar to how she is in the comics. In the show she's abrasive and hostile and nowhere near as badass, but maybe I haven't read enough Starfire.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@aguyirl So why are you here? Stop listening to these anti-woke podcasters and driving up this false narrative. The biggest problem in Hollywood is actually Nepotism hence why a lot of disconnection between the industry and the audience. DC is not even woke and they couldn't get half of the box office of Marvel. There's no new blood. The reason we keep getting genderbent characters for I.P is to continue putting money in the same creators. J.J Abrams probably owns Superman I.P hence why he wants to make different versions of him - including making him black

[@lookingforlove839]

​​@@aguyirlyou wanna know what's worse? Im not Starfire has a better Starfire than this show. And that was a horrible fanfiction

[@aguyirl]

@@lookingforlove839 oh god, yeah i remember seeing people talking about that a while back.

[@DespairDoctor]

I knew that this was getting greenlit years ago, back when I was still a Facebook regular, I know, it's shocking that was ever a thing, but I knew it was going to be a hot mess when I saw what Starfire looked like.

[@legendarybubbles4567]

I was so confused when I heard your voice for a second, I didn’t realize you updated the channel and your persona! It looks awesome! I just didn’t realize what channel I clicked 😂 Can’t wait to watch this!

[@pauldareason]

Excellent video, as bad as the Disney shows have gotten , I've always felt this show didn't get the distain it earned. The cast was great in some parts, robin, wondergirl, superboy spot on casting but the writing was horrible. Every member was a murderer, power levels bounced around from high to low. Starfire tries to kill beast boy in the kitchen and nobody says anything. Some how 20 Gotham cops were enough to intimidate the team a team with SUPERBOY on it. Robin escaped prison with his true identity but no manhunt for the former cop who lead a breakout. There's the time superboy blows up a spaceship 20 ft from two of his teammates and a regular human but again no one brings it up. On the plus side krypto was wonderful

[@THE-SCARECROW-a111]

Bro, all I want is a good live action batman show that is ACTUALLY about batman for fucking once 😭, Gotham was hood but he was batman for one episode, please make a live action good batman tv show. 😭😭😭

[@21896525]

just a note... the Doom Patrol from Titans is not the same as the one on the Doom Patrol show lol

[@RetroKidReviews]

As someone who had to cover this show when it was new even if this was comic accurate it still somehow feel like a elseworld series

[@allforone3427]

It feels good to be back at Headquarters!

[@ArcTrooper269]

I noticed how AWFUL the moral compass of the writers was when FREAKING DEATHSTROKE is written as a loveable tragic Family man who wants Revenge because a Crazy Psycho Gang Abducted, Brainwashed & Killed his Son, & HE'S POTRAYED AS THE BAD GUY 😵 When you want us to root for the Bad Guys by PRETENDING they are in the right side of the Story you SUCK AT YOUR JOB & SHOULD NEVER WRITE ANYTHING AGAIN 🤢

[@ArcTrooper269]

Deathstroke is suppoused to be the guy we ANTAGONIZE, not root for him Are they serioulsy trying to make us Antagonize a Character whose actions are WAY BETTER reasonable than the "Heroes" ?

[@sofialu226]

Comic reader here. Thats actually Deathstroke Story, Jericho joined the TT and was killed (kind of, not goona explain, The show did their own iteration). And Deathstroke was born from his hatred blaming the TT and Dick/Robin for it in particular. So Sad that they didn't kept Deathstroke as a TT Villain. But Oh well...

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@sofialu226 True, but my point is, In comics Grant's death was an accident but on the show Jericho's Death is ENTIRELY Dick's fault

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

A mí me gusta estar de acuerdo con los villanos pero aquí apesto ​@@ArcTrooper269

[@AJadedLizard]

I didn't realize this was the High Guardian Spice channel at first. Top quality content.

[@phillipanderson7899]

Look, she's an alien anyway, Starfire wasn't originally black in the comics, but if you wanna say she had cultural inspirations, I wouldn't disagree. So long as you can act the role, and the writers treat the character well, it won't matter as much, that's how it works

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

And that second season fucking ending; does Superboy just becomes a moron for 5 secs while Donna holds the large metal tower...he could have easily saved her with his power set. So many fucking plot holes and stupid actions in this series.

[@Lord_Numpty]

Never watched this, but a guy I used to know in my D&D group way back when said it was good. Said guy was a power-gamer with main character syndrome whether he was a player or DM (used DMPCs and optimised attacks against the party), claimed to study theoretical physics in his spare time, claimed to know Japanese but thought All Might's catchphrase was 'Never fear, for _I_ am here!' and laughed at my claim that Kensei translated to Sword Saint so yeah. Guy's full of shit and glad I never watched this miserable pile.

[@wdcain1]

One thing these edgy superhero stories have in common is the heroes never save anyone. They'll violently beat down the villain's henchmen or any fool that gets in their way, but taking the time out to save/comfort someone in dire straights Is unthinkable. I can only guess is the showmakers think this would make the hero 'weak' for not being cold-hearted. It would be so easy to tweak the scripts to have the Titans help others. Take the diner. Kory and Raven leave but looking back notice the diner is being robbed. Kory wants to leave since Raven takes priority but then sees the robbers hurting people and so dives in to stop them. Badass and heroic. Instead all we got was badass and violent.

[@ivaniawren5014]

Kind of odd to treat the Teen Titans property like only the shows exist, the cartoon was not the "og" for these characters. Doesn't detract from your criticism at all it's just an odd framework for your analysis that a kids' cartoon is the original framework of these characters. That cartoon is in several ways a neutered/heavily adapted version of some of these characters. It came out like 40 years after the comics began, and only covers a few of the characters to be in that team.

[@TF2Fan101]

Hey, Dave! You think you could talk about the controversies surrounding the now-cancelled CW Powerpuff series?

[@nikidelvalle]

It baffles my mind that there are people on the internet who will pretend this show is good, and seem to be wholeheartedly serious.

[@zcnaipowered7407]

The Starfire actor looks great in Jurassic part but bad in Titans, Titans did her dirty.

[@faiyaz9768]

Yup she’s a good actress but titans is just such a shitty show

[@FloofyReks]

10:46 Nah that ain't beast boy. That's creature kid

[@G-LukeJA]

I think Starfire is more or less accurate to the comics in the later seasons, but season 1 is weirdly Dark, even in comparision to the later seasons

[@shadowbane7401]

they couldn't even bother to give her orange makeup

[@G-LukeJA]

@@shadowbane7401 honestly didn't bother me as much as it did others

[@lookingforlove839]

​​@@G-LukeJAwhat bothered me is her hair. I just hate the magenta hair. It doesnt work with her dark complexion Edit: Actually scratch that. I hate everything about her

[@AlphaOmega1237]

For me (and likely most people who get angry about race swapping), whether or not it's worth getting angry over comes down to apparent intent. If the casting seems to be due to the actor being well-known and excellent for the role, like Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury or some of your examples from The Boys, it's perfectly fine. If the intent seems to be introducing identity politics, like with Velma, the little Mermaid, and other infamous examples, then it serves as a red flag. This is exacerbated by just how commonly the people who engage in the latter behavior are hypocritical on the subject and engage in unironic racism. No idea about where Titans falls into this because I have no context for how they were promoting it. Just laying out my own thoughts on it. I included other people in this because it's what I observed about how people tend to react to this. You don't often see people complaining about Nick Fury's race.

[@j.peters1222]

The way they handled Bruce Wayne/ Batman was criminal...

[@crona1794]

They should've just adapted the Robin comics from the 90s. Could've been an easy way to flesh out the dichotomy between Detective Grayson, and Robin. Could've mirrored shows like Luke Cage and Jessica Jones; a gritty street level crime thriller. I'd buy that for a dollar.

[@seantolson6223]

Like the dead topic concept, autopsying these mid to late 2010s monstrosities years after the controversy died down is something nobody else is really doing right now.

[@SwadeMusic911]

I only recently gave T.T.Go a chance and while it is a kids show every episode has a level a movie trivia that always feels like a wink saying we know adults are watching. And the Easter eggs go crazy.

[@mechajay3358]

This show is one big edgy cringe fest. And their responses to the backlash of Starfire looking like a stripper is just plain pathetic.

[@KenMasters.]

Starfire always looked like a stripper. 😂

[@DigimontamerB]

As a fan of the Wolfman and Pèrez comics, I'm so sad.

[@NUCLEARDASH]

As a fan of sadness, wolfman and perez, im so sad as well

[@SunnysFilms]

12:50 Starfire isn't race swapped, though. She's an alien. She could be played by an actress of any race, she just has to be orange. Just like Gamora who is played by a black actress, but is still green. Maybe they just didn't have the budget for orange makeup, I dunno. As to Starfire looking like a stripper in the comics, that's because she draws power from the sun and the more exposure her skin has to the sun, the more power she has (as I understand it). But that explanation doesn't work for this show because this Starfire almost always has that fur coat hung over her shoulders, so dressing like that doesn't help her any.

[@zionalbina691]

I would say that if an alien or their culture is heavily inspired by a real world culture, they should probably be played by someone from their closest real world counterpart. For example, Goku from Dragonball Z is based on a Chinese legend, and according to the series lore members of his alien race, the Saiyans, all have black, straight hair, and dark eyes (in their base form, and if they aren't mixed with another race), so in a live action it would make more sense for Goku to be played by a Chinese actor, or at the very least someone Asian. But, in the case of Starfire and the Tamaranians, who as far as I know aren't based on any real world race or culture, I agree it doesn't really count as raceswapping at all. They could look like anyone. Also, as far as Starfire needing to wear less clothes because she gets her powers from the sun, I think it doesn't really hold up in ANY of her interpretations, because she exist in the same universe as Superman, who ALSO gets his powers from the sun, but still gets to be fully clothed and use his powers at night.

[@rorschach1985ify]

Except if she is supposed to be orange then it is still skin swapping and still fucking lazy.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I would argue it is race swamping, just that the race of the actor isn't the reason for it being a race swap, but the colour of the makeup of her skin (or lack there of) even if its a fictional race swap, its still a race swap. As for make up costs, this could have been achieved by haveing her wear more clothes or useing an actress with a light brown skin tone (lightbrowns are easiest to make look orange (this is because brown is technically a darker shade of orange, specifically it is a mix of mostly orange with blue and black. the lighter the shade of brown, the less black and blue is in it). lighterbrown skintones would need less make up to appear as orange, especially in the right lighting. and if you can't afford that then should you really be doing life action starfire?

[@alexmartin3143]

Species swapped then

[@gottesurteil3201]

This is the worst "um akshually" I've seen to date.

[@raymondbermudez555]

Writers on Raven: "It's magic we don't need to explain it"

[@petercooper456]

Dave, your resistance to psychic damage is awe inspiring.

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

Which is worse: Titans or Batwoman?

[@oh_Penitent_one]

Batwoman honestly has worse writing and an overall terrible and inconsistent plot

[@suzygirl1843]

@@oh_Penitent_one Batwoman got good in Season 3. Stop listening to whiny content creators and ACTUALLY watch it.

[@oh_Penitent_one]

@@suzygirl1843 waiting 3 seasons for it to get good is mental , I watched it but not the 3rd season , I just can't be bothered

[@suzygirl1843]

@@oh_Penitent_one You don't have to wait. Just skip the first 2 seasons. S1 is Kate Kane and S2 is wrapping up Kate Kane while introducing Ryan Wilder. S3 focuses on Ryan Wilder and it's the best because it's finally writing a proper CHARACTER based origin story. Ryan + her brother, Marquis, + their Mother are the best dynamic on that show. It's about FAMILY. Just watch S3. Honestly, they made up Ryan Wilder's Batwoman on the spot because Ruby Rose left S1 but they got her right in the end.

[@oh_Penitent_one]

@@suzygirl1843 oh it's the black one , I watched a bit of that and didn't like any of it either and from what I hear from people that actually sat through that , most didn't like it much either , I also thought her appearing as the speedster version of batman was executed so badly as well

[@trayas2272]

I’m halfway through season 3 and it’s getting pretty boring. I came to the realisation that 90% of the show is just two characters in a room having a fake deep conversation.

[@DaddyOryx]

From my quite limited knowledge of Nightwings character, I genuinely think that it is character assassination of both Batman and Nightwing for Batman to kill Joker and then almost himself, and for Nightwing to dislike Batman as much as he does

[@vincentshadetree]

I remember when this first dropped, I was considering getting the DC streaming service because it. I only watched the first season and left it there after that. I get the feeling I made the right choice. There were a couple of things I saw later that piqued my interest, but then I'd hear some dialogue from them and I'd be like naw I'm still good 😊

[@randynguyen9778]

Well we all know that's not true since Gotham Knights and Batwoman are both the worst DC shows.

[@DrakeBarrow]

The worst part? The abomination that was Titans came out around the same time as the new Swamp Thing series, which was apparently really, _really_ good. They were going dark for that show, but it was appropriate for the subject matter. And naturally that got cancelled while Titans kept rolling on.

[@samuelsalvatore4511]

im glad that at least cyborg got the love he deserved in the movies

[@daredare4176]

He’s also well-written in doom patrol (although not perfect)

[@johnoconnell5004]

I hope James Gunn's DCU will do the Teen Titans justice if they get a movie or show set in that universe.

[@Jay3up]

I don’t think this is the WORST live action adaptation I still think Batwoman and Gotham Knights were way worse

[@junko4166]

I had no idea this show existed. Now I do and my life is objectively worse. I'll never forgive you.

[@alexismiranda1228]

Seeing Titans is painfull,they ruined Red Hood so bad

[@jonbrewer297]

It's really hit and miss compared to the comics. Nightwing: Has his dark moments, and is generally emotionally constipated. This is sort of a thing: The bat of a team acts like Batman, regardless of other characterization, though to be fair, it kind of works. (During outsiders, Arsenal calls Nightwing out on this: "Because that's what you are, a brooding loner.") The Golden Age Robin (Yeah, DC was rebooting even in the 50s.) even killed Tony Zucco. Starfire: The show really changes things. In the comics, they visit Tamaran three times, and it's great: The moral ambiguity, the fact that the villain is a victim of circumstance herself. In the show, for obvious reasons, they never visit Tamaran, and we barely see Blackfire. Beast Boy: I have to say they improved Beast Boy. In the comics, his horndog antics get annoying fast. So I like him better than most comic versions. Raven: I will never get over Raven killing someone. That's not how Raven works. Also, they aged her down, which happens in the comics, eventually. (At the end of the Wolfman run, she dies, her evil side takes over her body, and she dies again. Then Devin Grayson brought her back. Raven actually dies a lot.) Raven actually founds the team in Wolfman's run, but none of that here. Hawk and Dove: Man, they REALLY fucked up Hawk and Dove. They have powers as avatars of war and peace in the comics, and without each other, Hawk becomes fascist and Dove becomes a passive-aggressive bitch. But the whole idea is that both the more violent and nonviolent approach are valid and sometimes useful, sometimes not. Most people don't get Hawk and Dove. Donna Troy: In the comics, Donna had more personality. But I can't talk about Donna without talking about two things: Her love interest Terry Long (who is generally Marv Wolfman's avatar, with expected results), and her numerous origin stories. The result is a character who often behaves differently in Teen Titans from how she behaves in Wonder Woman, even when the artist from Teen Titans is writing Wonder Woman. Jason Todd: Most I remember is Jason reading books from the library (keeping with his nerdy, pre-death personality) and then Nightwing later is surprised Jason could even read. lolwut? Jericho: They're actually pretty on-point for Jericho. They change up his death as a prequel, but he is killed by his father in the comics (because he's possessed). The pairing with Nightwing is unusual, though Jericho was originally intended to be gay (and instead got an army of girlfriends). Rose: Oh great, they just turned her into Terra, without the gross relationship with Deathstroke. In the comics, Rose is why I read Deathstroke. She has more issues with the Titans. Oh, while we're here, I must say, I love this version of Deathstroke. None of the skeevy behavior from the comics. Superboy: They totally changed him. In the comics, Superboy is hardly naive; they go for youthful arrogance instead. They also introduce Geoff Johns' "Luthor DNA" plot point. Tim Drake: I did like their version of Tim to some degree. But making Bernard a researcher at STAR Labs set off my alarm bells. Re: Power levels, this was a problem for Wolfman as well. "Kid Flash can deal with all of them before the Titans even show up!" In the comics, the Titans go into this surreal fight against themselves against Trigon, each scenario representing one of the Seven Deadly Sins. (So, Nightwing is Pride because his temptation is to go back to Batman because Jason isn't cut out to be Robin. Cyborg is Envy because he wishes he was normal. Kid Flash's is Lust because, wow, he watches himself screw Raven in a weird self-cuckold dream, what?) None of that here, even though a red filter and some practical effects would make it possible. (For those interested, they imprison Trigon by absorbing these sins, then killing Raven so her mother, with the spirits of Azarath, can bind Trigon. Raven comes back after Crisis on Infinite Earths, though.) So Titans is a mixed bag, and let's be honest? Worst superhero show? Gotham Knights exists, thank you very much.

[@baddragonite]

It's kinda funny cause in the original comics Beast Boy's origin was with Doom Patrol

[@kingjoker8399]

Last robin acted like this in early comics he was mad aggressive and a lot people think it was Jason but it wasn’t Jason was nice and sweet but after red hood stuff happened the roles switched but when he first start he acted like this

[@LeeroyPorkins]

Harley Quinn: Kuck the Justice League is worse

[@matane2465]

I can't tell if you're referencing the terrible Suicide Squad game or the terrible Harley Quinn show.

[@LeeroyPorkins]

@@matane2465 Yes

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

@@matane2465Would it matter?

[@oh_Penitent_one]

​@@matane2465both are bad

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

@@oh_Penitent_one the shows alright but its not supposed to be a serious show its mostly comedy

[@paulman34340]

The stupid part is that the Comic gave them an easy out by "NOT starting out with Trigon as the first Big Bad" hell even the CARTOON got that right by following the Comic! Slade was the team's first big bad, sent by HIVE to deal with them just like in the Comic and Trigon was BUILD UP as the BIGGEST Threat (that they had to pull "THE BROTHERHOOD OF FUCKING EVIL to be the Series Finale Threat because Trigon and Slade have been defeated, well Trigon was, Slade was "just hiding and biding his time") Raven was trying to STOP Trigon from using her to return and initially she was trying to warn the Justice League but went with reforming the Titans. Made easy by the fact the Team all just met up over a crisis INVOLVING Starfire (I prefered her original origin where she was a slave of her sister Blackfire when she made her escape, her sister's "associates" attempted to retrieve her and the resulting fight attracted everyone who made up the Team into helping her! This event later in the comics eventually brings Blackfire on them later, while I like the Show version of her, I prefer the Comic as Show version just comes off as a spoiled brat, where Comic version had layers to her, basically akin to Oceanmaster from Aquaman who had a ALOT of unresolved family tension they unfairly took out on their other sibling) Starting with Trigon REALLY ruins things because "You blew you're load too soon" as it would be like a Superman show that's first season ends with Darkseid as the big bad and then Season 2 is FUCKING LEX LUTHOR! OR Throwing Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassin at Batman in season 1 and then making Season 2 all about the Joker or worse Riddler/Scarecrow! I use Lex and Joker because they are the same level as Deathstroke/Slade in they ARE big threats, but frankly Lex PALES in threat level and scale then Darkseid, Joker is dangerous and deadly, but Ra's is BASICALLY an Ancient long lived "Batman Evil Self if he went down the wrong path" in charge of a HUGE Secret Society that has manipulated the path of mankind and responsible for ALOT of deaths for LIFETIMES! A "end result of Batman's own Superhero teams like the Bat Family and the Outsiders". So going from Trigon (which the comics HAVE established that he can be JUST as bad as FUCKING DARKSEID that even the League ESPECIALLY Superman would have difficulty defeating him just like threats of Darkseid's level) to Deathstroke (who can be a threat sure, but there's a REASON Lex and Joker have to form their OWN teams if they dare try to go up against Superhero Teams that matter! Yeah they can be a threat on their own to the Justice League, but that's IF they plan ahead and are READY for the League! Same with Deathstroke. It's still a DOWNGRADE in threat levels which is WHY you don't use them AFTER the big threat ALA "Darkseid/Ra's Al Ghul/Trigon; Those are the BIGGER BADS behind Big Bad's like Lex/Joker/Deathstroke, not the other way around) And of course the Power Changing was dumb. Starfire's made sense because like Superman, she's a Sun Battery (Though I don't remember if she is weaken at night, though I don't think she ever was early on! Star in this acts ALOT like how they tried to make her act in "Red Hood and the Outlaws" starting out before they realized that was stupid and that was not Starfire! Seriously that series got GOOD once Jason was able to get his OWN version of the Trinity with a "Superman/Bizarro" and "Wonder Woman/Artemis" like his "dear ole Papa Batman (Big fan of "Trinity" Stories centered around the Three as I'm a fan of the Big 3 the most, Batman Especially of course But I love me some good Superman and Wonder Woman stories)

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Dios lo de Batman describiste a la trilogía de nolan

[@paulman34340]

@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511To be fair to the Nolan Trilogy. The League and Ra's were first along with Scarecrow and the Mob because this was Batman Year 1 and it was to explain abit Bruce's training TO become Batman by attaching the League of Assassin's and Ra's to it! Joker was an escalation due to the fact Bruce was fighting someone who had no end goal he could truly fathom till the end! And it came back to the League of Shadows and Bruce paying the price for assuming with Ra's gone, they weren't a threat anymore, when they just waited, grew back and bided their time till as Bane said "Victory has defeated you!" As Bruce got TOO comfortable in "Peace" or wallowing in his failure to not DRAW with the Joker as Joker failed in his endgoal with the Boats to prove his point, but won with Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face and turning Bruce's "peaceful retirement as Batman" into a FRAGILE peace that was ALREADY on it's way to Gothem going right back to the state it was in upon his return in Batman Begins! Seeing how the Mayor was going to retire Gorden because he refuses to be LOOSE ONE BIT with ANY form of Corruption and we know Corruption only needs a TINY bit to grow HUGE! Which sadly makes sense when Order has had it's time in the sun for TOO long! Also proving Joker SLIGHTLY correct that INDEFINITE Peace with Order is impossible. Also funny enough Ra's and the League are SUPER WRONG with "their idea" of Sacrifice being the way to bring peace to the world (something that you can say also applies in the comics!) wouldn't work out well and comes off as "Killing everyone and letting GOD sort them out!" Though Talia is just as BAD as her comic book self because at least Ra's DID have goal for peace even if done ruthlessly! Where in Talia is "exactly the type of person that would be turned out from growing up with this mentality taught to her!" being the EXTREME of Ra's wishes and in the final movie. Doing his plan but BIGGER just to spite Gotham AND Bruce/Batman for Ra's death. Even if it that was on HIS inability to save himself as Bruce said "I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to save you either!" As Ra's had a point, if Bruce left him to die back then, the League's plans in the first movie would have failed or at least wouldn't have had Ra's at the wheel of it! "Who knows?" (Ironically Young Justice Vandel Savage is basically the "Ra's Al Ghul" of Chaos to Joker in that Joker just wants COMPLETE CHAOS while Vandel prefers CONTROLLED Chaos where Survival of the Fittest is in affect, hence one of his reason of hating the Justice League and Heroes in General, seeing them as "Meddlers" who make people DEPENDANT on them which looking at how Superman's city Metropolis is portrayed as sometimes relying on Superman TOO MUCH that they go into "too dumb to live" territory. He might have a point if he wasn't self-serving at times with that point cause at least COMIC Ra's can be seen as "insane" because of too many dips in the Pit over his immortality! While Vandel clings TOO heavily to a time period where he had a POINT but that has LONG passed where it doesn't fully apply and shouldn't)

[@boyouttatime]

Wanna know the funniest thing about Doom Patrol? The CW Crisis crossover retconned Doom Patrol & Titans being in the same universe, presumably from the positive reception that Doom Patrol received, that when they later bring the Doom Patrol back in s4 (i think?), they have to go through an entire multiverse sequence to get to them.

[@stellabelikiewicz1523]

I would be interested to hear your thoughts about the sadly short-lived Amazon live action version of The Tick! They did a lot of pretty fun stuff with the characters and their motivations, and even though I have a number of criticisms for some things the creators decided to do, overall it’s a creative and idiosyncratic adaptation that I’m glad we got to see!