Dead Topics: Gotham knights is (also) the worst superhero show

[@guardianHQ]

This video had to be slightly edited to avoid copyright claims from warner bros (mostly removing trailer footage as they claimed all of that) if you want to see the original version its up on patreon for devil tier supporters. If you can handle more Gotham knights that is

[@dolphincrescent54]

Have you thought about reviewing Megamind Vs. The Doom Syndicate and the spinoff series? I don't know if you've watched the original 2010 Megamind film, but it might be worth a shot. It has .PNG tennis balls worthy of High Guardian Spice breads and lampposts.

[@adampkalb]

@@dolphincrescent54 Well, it looks like we have another Doom Syndicate on our hands, thanks to the Gotham Knights.

[@cmasterson]

I can you your video being suppressed by the algorithm. I watched the Titans video last night and it was really good. I was laughing and check the date it was posted and views they are suppressing the video. I randomly found the channel and subbed last night.

[@hergasuurin]

The "I've got another dead name for you, BRUCE WAYNE" line is genuinely amazing

[@engineerskalinera]

From how that scene is framed, the detectives are doing the good cop, bad cop thing. It actually makes sense for bad cop to do that, which just makes it better.

[@nrnrn999]

It's crazy because I think a Gotham Knights story *can* work. For all it's faults, the game did it alright. The themes are interesting: Batman as a symbol rather than a person, the fulfilment of the Batfamily becoming their own people but still carrying his legacy, demonstrating how different characters like Dick, Jason, Tim and Barbara react to the loss of Bruce... And they decided to make a show with none of that. Just a bunch of nobody characters doing nothing of note because I guess they couldn't get the rights to anyone worth having. It's just disappointing, more than anything.

[@adampkalb]

If the people who created the Gotham Knights series for The CW are not good writers, then maybe they do not deserve the rights to Batman characters worth having! That is the only reason I can imagine to be any less upset about Gotham Knights not including them, instead having to make up new Batman heirs like Turner Hayes.

[@trumpeterjen]

Wait, so her name is “Duella,” as in a combination of “duo,” like TWO-face, and Cruella DeVille? She’s literally just her dad plus a Disney villain.

[@alzaelnext638]

Actually it would be "duel" as in a fight between two people with an a at the end. To be fair, considering she's the daughter of Two-Face and Joker there are worse names her parents could have given her.

[@h.p.hartcroft]

Sounds like someone got a name out of how "duality" sounds like.

[@procrastinatordave]

Also gotta love how Robin's goggles have LED lights in them, making it so she can't see anything and has lights right in her eyes.

[@johnynoway9127]

maybe she can turn em on n off? lol Off is just normal vision

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@johnynoway9127 Then isn't the light up feature completely useless? Because turning it on actually make it harder to see

[@johnynoway9127]

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 ....um..you do know how night vision works right? it makes it easier to see in the dark. you need a bit of light still for it to work. But... if theres actual light from the sun or moon or anything thats bigger then a small torch youd blind yourself. Thats why people usually turn em on n off or flip them up to see with their eyes. You CAN train your eyes to see better ib the dark (what pirates do with their eyepatches. No its not cuz their eye was stabbed, they basically train 1 eye to be in constant darkness so they can see better in the dark.) So turning the night vision on n off would work if it was possible.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@johnynoway9127 I never had night vision but I don't remember seeing them being that bright(like the one Robin has) & the ones I saw has lights outside of the google not inside where they can shine directly onto your eyes, it's supposed to shine onto the object you are looking at

[@johnynoway9127]

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 it refracts light. if its bright enough youl literally see light spots if you have night vision. Youl be flash banged basically.

[@saudbintalib5701]

Fuck it all Batman deserves better

[@AtticusKarpenter]

He is white and rich but also heroic and masculine and WB bosses are not, so they apparently decided to get revenge on him for that and kill him dozen of times in every shitty ip they have

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Agreed but it was written by people who hated Batman as a character. That's why they take away his scientific, deductive and inventive prowess is either nonexistent or in the case of deductive reasoning needing a intellectual crutch known as advanced tech to do the heavy lifting.

[@he-man36]

​@@FriendlyBatDoomthey need to be out of the kitchen.

[@saudbintalib5701]

@@FriendlyBatDoom it's so obvious fr

[@andyenglish4303]

I would point out that Batman regularly gets entire fucking movies about him. The real problem is that his 'kids' and successors deserve better. Carrie Kelly, Stephanie Brown, Harper and Cullen Row? All actual comic characters who deserve way better than this third rate bullshit. ...Duella was always a dumb character though.

[@dolphincrescent54]

Show's Premise: Someone kills Batman.... Me: Nah, fuck that, I'm out.

[@bubblybobabubbles]

I mean it COULD be done well. This show just. yknow. doesnt.

[@adampkalb]

@@bubblybobabubbles I agree, because I just realized Gotham Knights and Madame Web both blew off a cool and unusual setup for themselves, by choosing not to develop their own new ensemble of legally viable heroes in a cool and unusual story that revolves around the death of Batman and the birth of Spiderman. For example, when the Madame Web movie says "When you take on responsibility, great power will come." could mean something to rest of the story if it had been written any better. If Anya, Julia and Maddie began the story with any dream, desire or personal motivation in their lives to be heroes, the story of Madame Web would progress more naturally, and I could buy the concept of making a comic book superhero film without any superpowers or supersuits that only appear in Cassandra's and Ezekiel's visions of the future. If Madame Web was any better at being a grounded story that focuses more on _acting_ than _action,_ it would not go through the motions and it would take the necessary steps to make Anya Corazon, Julia Cornwall and Maddie Franklin better characters who learn to be responsible heroes that can be trusted with superpowers they are destined to eventually have, and give them more of a reason to team up than just Ezekiel Sims and Cassandra Webb foreseeing them teaming up in the future. I typed out all of this information because I have watched Madame Web in movie theaters, but I can not speak for how Gotham Knights could have been improved because I never watch The CW anymore after The Flash and Supergirl ended. April 6, 2024, 9:40am

[@ma.2089]

Idk…that premise could be amazing. Especially since it could also highlight how great a detective Bruce was cuz then it would be a murder mystery that if he was alive he’d totally solve. And it would explore how everyone responds to his death and how some want revenge and some are still mourning, etc. And they’d have to pick up the mantle and have some difficulties. Just like how Batman lost his parents the bat family would have to go through a similar arc. It has to be written well, but it could’ve been such a cool concept about how Batman inspires people and other things.

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

"I've got another dead name for you: Bruce Wayne." They wanted him to seem like a jackass for this, but this is unironically the hardest line in the show.

[@cjhedrick6418]

Yeah, that's Duela for you. Even DC hates her.

[@thematiasmadness7010]

Who?

[@notveryintelligent6239]

@@thematiasmadness7010Lmao

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Robin praised over villainess for torturing elderly woman is pretty distopian scene to be in the "superheroic" show lol

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

"Welcome to Gotham." - Harvey Bullock

[@adampkalb]

@@SilhouettedAnimator Gotham or not, it is always abysmal writing to be this immoral, teaching bad lessons to the audience by making a dramatic "superhero show" with no superheroes in it.

[@yagamifire7861]

Yup So sick of people not understanding torture is wrong

[@PauloJrchannel]

What super power would you rather have, Nice Reflexes or Dent Energy?

[@adampkalb]

Nice Reflexes for sure.😜

[@NF5000-r5e]

Djent energy for me

[@Cvr5ta0ywa]

Turner Hayes was used because there is a DC embargo where characters can't appear within the same medium. Titans were ongoing and all three robins were in the show, so another Tim Drake, Jason Todd and Dick Grayson weren't possible.

[@theworldaccordingtotruth4109]

That's still retarded though.

[@johngr1747]

Damien?

[@alzaelnext638]

All you need to know to understand this show is that it was written by the exact same writers pool that wrote Batwoman. That alone tells you everything.

[@kailevil3444]

Not really? Luke even if dumb a lot of times, was alright, the step sister was good or almost good, and Alice was great 90% of time. Could be not 90% of the time but haven't seen the show in years, also last seasons were horrible.

[@alzaelnext638]

@@kailevil3444 Clearly you didn't watch that show. Luke was a cucked sissy who bent over backwards to help Kate for absolutely no discernible reason and essentially never truly held her accountable for all of the long list of immoral acts she committed. Mary was a raging narcissist with a victim/messiah complex who cried and whined whenever she didn't get her way. Not to mention the thousands of horrendous crimes she would have been guilty of running that clinic of hers which the show completely ignores. She's selfish, entitled, bratty and the only character who was a bigger piece of shit than the main character. Alice annoying and a completely irrelevant character for most of the time with no sensical or coherent motivation and no reason to even exist past the first season and just rehashed the same plot lines over and over again. And what do you mean "the last seasons were horrible"? You realize that isn't any kind of defence since there were only three seasons. If the last seasons were horrible in your eyes then you're still admitting that the vast majority of the show sucked.

[@yagamifire7861]

Alice was weaponized cringe and nothing in the show made sense. The step sister was a terrible person.

[@KaneRedPixel]

This show feels like if you took all of the existing cw shows, removed the very few glimpses of quality that they had and magnified the rest by tenfold.

[@alexey635able]

So its like, Turner and the harem: the show?

[@Melvinwacko]

4:43 That's the "Bat-embargo" most likely. DC will sometimes forbid shows based on their comics from using certain characters.

[@guardianHQ]

I can see why after watching this show

[@witchcharming792]

i think they were trying to make stephanie like tim, cuz he's also a master hacker at like 16, but tim had the excuse of having 0 adult supervision and being an avid batman and robin fanatic

[@redherringoffshoot2341]

fun fact: The Mutant Gang are an actual fictional gang from Frank Miller’s Batman, it’s wild that they knew smth as obscure as The Mutant Gand yet couldn’t get Robin’s suit right, also from how you described “hacker chick”, I think that’s supposed to be Stephanie Brown, which unfortunately makes the Gotham Knights TV show her 1st appearance outside of comics

[@kira-dk2mx]

Christ, this is the worst of the "Batman is dead, who will take up his mantle" shows that WB can't seem to shake off. Like, give Bruce his own fucking show damn it. LET HIM COOK!

[@gigablast4129]

ima unleash my big dent energy

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

This has to be a professional competition for companies to destroy their IP properties...

[@maximilianosanchez1106]

I think Disparu, the KZbinr with a Ninja Squirrel using Nunchuck Avatar, has reviwed the entire series.

[@osets2117]

Yes he has, and it's glorious 😆

[@averagejoe455]

He's a bit hard to listen to though. Finished his Echo review and told him he was far too ugly to be as racist and sexist as he is.

[@eway44]

The Robin in Gotham Knights is CARRIE KELLY!? WHAT!? She looks nothing like Carrie Kelly! And while the backstory is similar, Carrie also lived in what is essentially a post apocalypse and Batman was even more mentally unstable then regular Batman in that Elseworld. Seriously, until you said Carry I thought that she was maybe supposed to be Maps or someone mixed up Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown and thought Steph was the one with dark hair.

[@cocogoat1111]

All these spinoffs wanna be in gotham and kill off batman in the stupidest ways, it's a joke at this point. Maybe just create another fictional town for knock-off robins and knock-off oracles to run around in.

[@Demolitiondude]

People should stop sympathizing with evil.

[@normalgraham]

Dumb people inevitably see cruelty as synonymous with intelligence

[@MrAuthor3DS]

That goes double for you shippers out there!

[@Nervkeks]

If you think duellas origion is all over the place in the show, you have too look at the comic version. They really simplefied their origin in the show

[@Nervkeks]

Spoiler: it involves mutiple parralel earths, a genderswaped twoface and a adoption by a kinda heroic riddler.

[@punchyboi6915]

​@@Nervkeks now that is absurd

[@LadyMajolish]

Bro, how is Supergirl & the Flash, Two sentence horror stories ( another three CW shows that they produced) better writing than this, or hell Riverdale is WAY BETTER than a DC-wannabe show, who is letting CW cook?

[@TF2Fan101]

They’re not cooking any more DC shows.

[@Flutterdark_]

bruh hacking girl does not have the background to be on futaba land chihiro levels of hacking.

[@tobyjack1238]

Not the characters I expected to be referenced in this comments section, but I’ll take it anyway.

[@Match25]

I think Robyn Hood is worse

[@Netro1992]

Ah, but does it count as a superhero show? (probably)

[@Match25]

@@Netro1992 technically id say yes, they wear outfits and are (believe themselves to be) the good guys

[@GustavoRubio]

Now that you've introduced these "characters", you ought to go whatever plot this show has episode by episode

[@geassrailfantitan3414]

The second you said Duela I immediately thought "Duela, Duela de Vil If she doesn't scare you, no evil thing will Duela, Duela de Vil To see her is to take a sudden chill, oh Duela, Duela de Vil If she doesn't scare you, no evil thing will (Woah)"

[@jobreau1725]

I actually think that Duella is the best character in the show. She is the only one that can kind acts and everyone else is so bland that her evil mischief is actually kind refreshing. Plus she’s a ass to character I don’t like, witch is all of them, so that’s a plus.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

So wait, she's the Amaryllis of Gotham Knights?

[@Anijah2001]

Somehow, Gotham Knights end up being worse than Batwoman. At least Batwoman had a lot of so bad it's good moments.

[@Gumochin]

Who comes up with these shows? #Justiceforbatman

[@Wooperbro]

April Fools, its the greatest show ever

[@MasterIceyy]

You mentioned Martial Arts training taking decades to perfect, and they even show that with Batman, after his training with the league of assassins when he actually becomes Batman he struggles, because training and experience are 2 different things, You can know everything there is to know about driving a car, doesn't mean you should driving if you've never drove a car before.

[@evilmurlock]

I love how he is canonicaly stuck in hell. The screams of agony really bring the rewiew together :3

[@purbsi]

I really think Gotham Knights the game was made to cover up this atrocity in search engine results

[@rhyanwesthassel7980]

So this version of Robin is supposed to be Carrie Kelley. So I guarantee the writes and casting department wanted a female Robin, probably wanted to race swap, and realised they couldn’t go with a darker skinned individual if they went for the Stephanie Brown Robin because someone would freak out over naming a dark skinned person Brown. In the end we’ve just been robbed of another ginger character. Also Carrie is supposed to wear glasses, so they really went “BiG gOGgLeS”

[@jasonmurdoc9533]

15:05 should have googled it, it really sucks this is her version to be on screen she’s the dark knight returns Robin

[@zeldagameryt4018]

The blueprints were all there to make something cool like what the video game could’ve been, but they ruin it. But there is one big question we must ask, is this show worst than Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League

[@Smashboi76]

Duela is a character from the comics, but she's nothing like this!? Same with Harper and Collin

[@BoyGeorgiaX]

27:09 sounds like every edgy chubby college girl

[@mastergrape875]

Duelo is a knock off Alice from Batwoman, which is only slightly better than Gotham

[@andresomerville4896]

2:30 the old lady had it coming.

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

Yeah that's another example of "Removing the context so I can make this look worse than it actually is." The older woman is literally a psychopathic killer with no remorse in the show. Also, the taser was used in self defense when the older woman *attacked first*.

[@SpellboundWolf]

Yo hi, Dave! ;) Happy first of April. Today is my best friend's birthday.

[@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming]

20:19 that caught me off guard

[@tobinbones8577]

I’ve got another dead name for you- BRUCE WAYNE‼️ I think this is my new favorite line in fiction

[@MrAuthor3DS]

"[...]Just as soon as the store pays back all the child labor they exploited to make this stuff." Uh, okay, are they gonna leave a message at the scene about that? If not, then she shouldn't be preaching.

[@tultsi93]

Scooby-Dooby-Doo, where are you? We got some work to do now. Scooby-Dooby-Doo, where are you? We need some help from you now.

[@Doomgel]

I love your stuff, Dave, but I wish you had a different avatar. Brown + hell with black hole eyes are too much. Either way I'll still watch, but if you wanted to change up stuff, I would appreciate it.

[@ultra6671]

"Why won't you die?!" "Reflexes, son."

[@kfbeatforeternity5271]

They always exclude the Gotham Knights people care about, then somehow completely fuck the writing of the ones that do show up. I'm supposed to like this?

[@juma8126]

9:38 This sounds like a bad retelling of the story Kiryu Kazuma has in Yakuza 1, but witth no thought or soul put in it.

[@TaoScribble]

Duella is just Alice 2.0. It IS the same writers, after all.

[@thematiasmadness7010]

When was this shit released 2008?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

2020s

[@thematiasmadness7010]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 no that’s impossible look at it

[@VainerCactus0]

@@thematiasmadness7010 Don't you know that shows have been looking worse and worse lately?

[@thematiasmadness7010]

@@VainerCactus0 live action at least

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@thematiasmadness7010 2023 specifically actually. Last year. It actually couldn't have come out more than about 10 years ago actually cause the court of owls is in it

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

The show got better as it went along IMO. At least its Elseworlds (and they gave an explanation for Batman's death in episode 4.) MUCH more tolerable than the later 'quirky cringe' seasons of The Flash for the most part. I would rather sit through a single season of this than 4 or 5 seasons of Hallmark Christmas movie Flash written by Eric Wallace.

[@nrnrn999]

I mean... "better than late season Flash" is a pretty low bar, all things considered.

[@matthewcarpenter7393]

I guess someone’s got to eat the trash.

[@snowbeast4463]

This show stinks of boomers trying to write for gen Z.

[@oneillcornish7915]

yeah, Joker's Daughter is from the comics and she can get worse. Don't read her New 52 content.

[@mr.nobody1595]

W

[@ZS05]

I swear everytime I see 12:44 Robin I just think of that one line "Fucc Batman!" and my day is a little better. At least that terrible show gave us that funny scene.

[@Polxzaw]

Thank you for making videos. Even if some of them don't blow up, I love them all

[@remuslazar2033]

16:16 or you could call her Discount Sydney Sweeney

[@ahmedabed6737]

I knew it was doomed to fail since i watched the trailer and it turns out i was right

[@themphantom9138]

7:04 Robin was a Badass holy shit!

[@vodkaffee4856]

Have you seen redo of healer? Is a terrible terrible anime. But also very funny in very stupid ways

[@richardomilos8686]

I give the likes of that a pass because they set out to be awful and succeed. You need to know how to write well in order to do something like that. The likes of titans and this show are indefensible.

[@akirakurusu4309]

At least it wasn't trying to be woke like Batwoman S2, which essentially went the fanfiction route in service of BLM 🤮

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

I assume you're referring to Black Lives Matter and police corruption, which I would expect a modern day poophole city like Gotham to fall into. So when they tackle sensitive issues and bad guys do bad things it's' "too political" but when protagonists do something you find questionable without the right context (Arrow and Gotham must have been awful, huh?) then it becomes a moral issue. Educate yourself more, please.

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

Also, Woke is not your word to use. Learn it's history before you have a buzzword version prepared in case of "politics I don't agree with".

[@akirakurusu4309]

@@SilhouettedAnimator Oh, no, you misunderstand. It's the fact that they swapped out Kate Kane, the literal Batwoman protagonist, for Ryan Wilder (the Black Lives Matter-inspired original character). They could've easily just race-swapped an existing Bat-family character or waited to finalize the Kate Kane recast, but going with an entirely new character is kinda cringe. Plus said new character went on to plague Flash, which makes it harder to ignore in-universe. Did not have an issue with Arrow, Flash, or Gotham with how they handled police corruption and all that though.

[@TF2Fan101]

@@akirakurusu4309Supergirl, on the other hand…

[@osets2117]

​@@SilhouettedAnimator"woke is not your word to use", what? is it the N word now? Get over yourself.

[@80yearoldman98]

Grifirhw

[@Blue_Arrow1]

The show was good there I said I loved the show and wish it continued for multiple season

[@guardianHQ]

genuine question, why do you love this show so much. What does it bring to the table that won you over, and made it an enjoyable viewing experience for you.

[@SullivanDLuffy]

Got nothing to say.

[@Blue_Arrow1]

The reason people think it’s so bad is because Batman is dead and they have to high hopes like people are expecting the next dark knight movie but as a show like for quit hating on this expually if you haven’t watched it yet

[@osets2117]

This show is garbage. I've watched all of it, it deserves all the hate

[@SullivanDLuffy]

It's not just become they killed off Batman. It's become Gotham Knights is trash. And he did watch the show. Had you watch the video.

[@SullivanDLuffy]

​@@osets2117Agree

[@mofftarkin78]

Dude, can you please stop with the wrong pronouns? I'm still old enough that every time I hear you say "they" or "them" I'm wondering which group of people you're referring to. Seriously, this pronoun nonsense will end soon; please don't forget how to use them properly. Otherwise, good video.

[@t_ed2521]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they Unless you're a sentient mummified corpse, we've been using singular they/them pronouns for a lot longer than you've ever been born

[@mofftarkin78]

@@t_ed2521 If you say so. I'm not going to begin trying to research that.

[@adampkalb]

I am happy that Jensen Ackles was too busy acting in Buddy Games: Spring Awakening to play Batman in the first episode of Gotham Knights. He played Batman's voice in a few animated DC films, Legion of Super Heroes and Crisis on Infinite Earths, but I would not want to see him play live-action Batman if he only appears in one scene to be killed off at the beginning of the show Gotham Knights. What really stings the most about stories like Gotham Knights and Madame Web is...they both ruin a unique idea that springboards off of a flagship comic book character when they tell an unusual story that begins with the death of Bruce Wayne or an unusual story that ends with the birth of Peter Parker. Gotham Knights and Madame Web are not handled with care and feel like a fan-fiction that tells a boring, lazy and underdeveloped story focusing on either new characters who are obscure parts of the comics or new characters made up for their respective stories, with no more than token efforts to flesh out a personality or a backstory for their generic new Bat-Lite or Spider-Lite heroes. April 6, 2024, 9:18am

[@Capt.Deadpool007]

Most of what you said if not every word is true.

[@Capt.Deadpool007]

If Jensen Ackles was batman is this series all my future hope of the character Batman would have died with it.

[@Johnathanbyers]

The Batman and his family deserve way more respect than what this crap show did

[@adampkalb]

Gotham Knights is a perfect show to watch if you want to watch an abysmally depressing series that shows us how Gotham City is worse off with Batman dead, because the designated heroes are even bigger criminals than the villains because in Duella's words, "This is Gotham, and in Gotham, villains get things done." This might be tolerable or enjoyable to watch if Gotham Knights was a comedy mean to satirize botched vigilanteism with new people who do not know how to do Batman's job properly, but it is not even a comedy! It expects us to take the troubles of the Gotham Knights seriously and not get mad when Duella has evil means of reaching a good end. April 6, 2024, 1:11pm

[@adampkalb]

😭Oh, I truly hate what Star Trek: Discovery, Titans, Batwoman, Velma and Gotham Knights are doing to skew their viewers' perception of morality while expecting the audience to automatically like their diverse female anti-heroes! What you just told me about Duella made me realize she is a slightly crueler version of Velma Kaling: Both are shown to be evil heroines we should despise, yet the narrative pulls every trick in the book to tell us we should root for them because of their tragic past that passes for sympathy points. It is this type of bad shows with abysmal storytelling with hypocritically inconsistent writing that makes me glad that The CW never got Powerpuff off the ground between Batwoman and Gotham Knights. I will be back next week for your next video on Gotham Knights. (gasp) I am not surprised, but I am still horrified that Gotham Knights is this terrible that you need to make two half-hour videos about it being the worst superhero show, instead of just one like you did with Titan. April 6, 2024, 1:21pm

[@adampkalb]

Coming soon... Dead topics: Saw Trap: Discovery is the worst Star Trek show Dead topics: Madame Web is the worst Spider-Man film