Spider-Man Lotus: The Anti-Fan Film

[@TheAzulmagia]

It seems like a good combination of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" and "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man" would've been Peter going to visit a sick child after Gwen's death and trying to be the hero the kid expects him to be, perhaps a bit performatively given the situation, only to wind up hearing some of the stories that the kid has collected about him and realizing that he has managed to do a lot of good. So in the end, Peter winds up being that kid's hero and the kid winds up being a hero in his own right and unknowingly saving his idol from a dark place.

[@GameTavern2224]

Bro that sounds absolutely fire

[@artoy6575]

Plus this is the kind of story that a big-budget superhero movie couldn't do as it's an intimate story that's primarily devoted to character introspection. Which would have been perfect for a fan-film that doesn't have the same restrictions, they don't have to make an action-focused movie or worry about selling tickets. This could hace worked very well for a 30-60 minutes fan film

[@nasdaq517]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🖊

[@Antigen__]

I would've imagined it to be about both Peter and the kid dealing with grief in distinct but similar ways, and the kid's questions echo Peter's current sentiments that he thinks he has no answer for, so he delivers what he believes to be a generic hopeful and heroic response as Spider-Man to lift the kid's spirits, which also turns out to be exactly what Peter needed to hear in order for him to move on and strengthen his commitment to being a hero, in a way solidifying how important Spider-Man is to not only the kid and the people of New York, but to Peter as well. But that's a good idea, so of course they didn't do it.

[@rayvenkman2087]

That’s how you adapt two storylines into one. You don’t change much of what’s already written except bridging the two together by creating a sturdy link between them.

[@optillian4182]

Spider-Klan vs. the Green Groomer

[@skylessadim]

You ate with this one ngl😂😂😂

[@Titanseditz116]

lol

[@ryszakowy]

still better than captain gender equality and grooming children out in the open

[@tobito2013]

Congrats. This made me giggle.

[@AnomalyINC]

"The Green Groomer came in on his hoverboard and asked me to join his organisaytion."

[@yaboylou7967]

I forgot where I read this, but Zach Hadel (of Smiling Friends & OneyPlays fame) once said that nobody will care if your characters are sad if we never see them happy.

[@p0laris74yt8]

This. Doesn’t help they’re ALL being mopey pieces of trash. Imagine if we started with all them chilling together, having fun and palling around (hopefully with ASM/Raimi dialogue than this), and if seeing just like news clipping about Gwen dying, Peter was trying to act like his usual self cause “That’s what she would’ve wanted and it’ll help me cope with it.” Harry reacts all super pissed and tells him that he’s never wants to see him again. MJ’s confused on why he’s like this, Pete tries to explain, they share a chuckle at his logic/maybe bad joke and then after a bit, she starts sobbing uncontrollably over the railing. Parker just walks over to her, and hugs her while he says, “Let it out. That’s good. Hey, in case you ever feel like this again, I’m here for you.” We then go to the kid’s house and just bond with the 2 with shop talk and some hero stories (minus all the nostalgia bait/references). Kid just innocently asks, “Is there anything bad about being Spider-man?” Pete’s quiet for a minute, letting all that grief and sadness hit, and finally responds, “Some days are get through. Some days, you wake up with everything hurting and no matter what, you can’t make it go away. Some days… you wonder if you’re in over head and… you’re not good enough…” Pete walks out for a minute and a scene like Webb describes happens. Reinvigorated a bit, Parker goes back in and reveals his identity and chills with him some more. After leaving, he decides to swing by MJ’s and she opens the door, seemingly in a better mood, and Peter finally lets it all out, vice versa of earlier scene. Close door, end of film. Imagine if this was like 30-40 minutes of each character reacting and trying to deal with their depression differently than just telling us “Man, I’m hella sad that Stacy’s gone.” Even we don’t see them happy the whole time, at least we’d see more of their personality reflected by a event like this than what we actually get.

[@nathanjackson9560]

@@p0laris74yt8That was very well written. You should consider yourself a writer someday.

[@juannaym8488]

Zach's a pretty smart guy

[@Smiles3110]

For that "kick the dog" moment, you have to endear the character. John Wick is a good example.

[@wednesdaygeckok.7899]

​@@p0laris74yt8 brother relax

[@Crimson.Creates]

Some Spider-Man fan films I've seen that are actually worth watching are: -Spider-Man: Power and Responsibility -Spider-Man: Back to Basics -Spider-Man: Best of Enemies -Spider-Man: Dead No More -Superior Spider-Man: Log Date One -Superior Spider-Man: My Own Worst Enemy -Spider-Man: Prom Night -A Friend Called Spider-Man -Spider-Man: Cake Day -Peter's Web -Marvel Knights: Spider-Man -The Green Goblin's Last Stand -Web of Spider-Man

[@axplade2899]

Spider-Man: Lost Cause Spider-Man: Another World

[@aidenstulberger7522]

Peters web is goated

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

Is the Green Goblin's Last Stand that really old fan film? I think i saw it around 2005/2006. But it was old even back then. I remember thinking it was pretty ambitious for a low budget film of the era. With a guy doing real stunts. Man i wish they had a better camera lol

[@Crimson.Creates]

@@axplade2899 those ones are really good too

[@C4six-two-one]

Thanks for the list

[@pazz]

Imagine a two hour superman movie where 90% of the runtime is Clark sitting around and grieving Jonathan Kent.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

I think there is a fan film exactly like that.

[@MortexBerri]

Superman lotus

[@theussmirage]

Or a Batman movie where he's only in costume for 5 minutes and spends the rest of the movie either grieving his parents or having flashbacks of them

[@Hawkatana]

@@MortexBerri Actually it's called Superman Solar. The main lead is *also* a racist, so it at least has that in common with Lotus.

[@APinchofBazel]

@@Hawkatana tbf, at least Lotus didn’t have Spider-Man telling a suicidal man “Y’know if you _really_ want to do it…I’ll let you do it…”

[@RobocopStealerOfFridges]

"You got the Green Goblin?" "Nah, we got GreenDP445."

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@theultimatememelord5494]

"You got Spider-Man?" "We have Racist-Man."

[@gazem_3211]

EatDisPumpkinBomb445

[@concept5631]

The Green Groomer

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

@@theultimatememelord5494 They call him Spider-Klan.

[@Kolbatsu]

Spider-Man: hey kid, i know you got leukemia, but you mind if I traumadump?

[@danielgomezmansilla4005]

-"this is where Gwen died, kid" -"Woah Spiderman, Damn"

[@billuraral1870]

-"This is where my girlfriend died, kid." -"Cowabummer."

[@rayvenkman2087]

Spider-Man: Hey kid. Wanna hear my thoughts on why I think the police are justified in profiling black people and why I believe American History X is lame after Edward’s character repents from his racial views?

[@Yayofangamer16]

​@@rayvenkman2087LMFAOOOO THIS STRAWMAN IS ACTUALLY FUNNY.

[@Byronic19134]

You know the worse part is if he focused the story around the relationship with the kid, then revealed he may have access to a serum that could help him which is where he would have to fight Goblin for, only to go visit the kid and find out he’s not going to make it and is about to die, that would have been a legit amazing story.

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

Never forget how this film got funded +100k and the vfx artists got paid in exposure.

[@jonahj9519]

Then what the hell did the money go to? Was that a 100k suit?

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

​@jonahj9519 That went into hiring Pdf file.

[@joshkaid]

No, but you see. The suit IS a selling point. Because this movie was made by cynical fans FOR cynical fans who only care about the superficial parts of the character.

[@Inventorcoyote]

So purists? Basically

[@TheSleepyRanger]

One of my least favorite criticisms of the MCU Spiderman is that his suit is too nice and made by a billionaire. This critique doesn't work because both the Toby and Andrew suits look too nice and are also designed by billionaires. Sure in universe they aren't but I genuinely don't believe a 16 year old kid who has no sewing or cosplay skills is making either of those suits

[@danang5]

@@Inventorcoyotenot even purist,just elitist snob gatekeeper purist will actually care about the character

[@AdallynD]

​@@TheSleepyRangerTHANK YOU!!

[@hype5456]

​@@danang5 not even that just spiteful folks

[@HankingMySchrader]

Ironic how people like the director hated the mcu Spider-Man for being “too much like a teen sitcom” when this movie is pretty much a “teen social drama”

[@Butwhythough881]

Bro hated the John Hughes superhero film so he made Riverdale 😂

[@4dbagel945]

I think you just don’t get it. This is obviously the Spider-Man from the universe where Euphoria takes place. So of course it’s full of melodramatic adults playing teenagers that dress like they’re 35. Why isn’t Zendaya playing MJ? It’s because she’s already another character in this universe. It’s actually brilliant if you look at it as a euphoria fanfic instead of a Spider-Man fanfic.

[@FanFookinTastic]

Kinda ironic to complain about since spider man at its core IS low-key a teen sitcom ( and drama tbf) like your complaining about the part that makes Spiderman Spiderman

[@HankingMySchrader]

@@FanFookinTastic when he said “Spider-Man 2 is his personal favorite movie of all time” that’s how you know this isn’t going to be good

[@splintergectornathan9045]

​@@HankingMySchraderinstead he should've said that "Spider-Man 3 is his personal favorite movie of all time" so we could knew it would be good 😅😂

[@comixproviderftw_02]

When the first set of drama with the racism came out in July 2022, that was the craziest week ever. Then it got worse the following year with the grooming. It really was a case of us rooting for the underdog only for it to go horribly wrong. Even if Gavin tries to scrub it off the internet, it’s a part of his legacy forever.

[@ToonBoom788]

(Cough) Mighty 9

[@2kx62]

It’s ok to like kids Lock me up

[@androidsenpai1462]

@@2kx62 Go to hell.

[@swamp2099]

@@2kx62tf is wrong wit u bro

[@Marcintash]

@@2kx62ts ain’t funny

[@jellybelly8672]

No, you see! Green goblin's actor was just method acting for when Norman dated Gwen in the comics!

[@DarkAnon100]

Weirdly, that makes the whole thing even worse!!

[@tristanhartup4936]

That happened?

[@SwiftyStardust]

@@tristanhartup4936 Yup. Thankfully it's since been retconned.

[@psmgames5861]

​@@SwiftyStardust The idea that Norman was fucking Mysterio rather than Gwen Stacy is absolutely hilarious.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

God, I forgot about that lol

[@NeoInsomniac]

24:07 In the original ultimate comics run they actually use this as a story, and have Kingpin trademark Spider-man and sell a bunch of merch of him just to hold over Peter's head because he's technically making him money now.

[@NeoInsomniac]

Also, Spider-man CAN sue people, but he can't ever see money for it, because he'd have to reveal his secret identity. It was the plot of a She-Hulk comic... I'm fun at parties.

[@randomman4628]

Yeah it kinda funny how often he laments not getting ANY royalties from the producing made of him.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

​@@NeoInsomniacyou are fun

[@You-Tube-n5k]

@@NeoInsomniac I actually kind of remember reading that lol. I feel like memories were just unlocked.

[@notmariolevi2863]

I mean, into the Spider-verse also had RIPeter market himself with plushies, cereal, popsicles, and a Christmas album where he has a mental breakdown over becoming a fucking sellout, all to help finance his crime-fighting escapades, so...

[@JohnDoe-jc5kt]

This is what a rejected CW spiderman pitch would look like

[@aaronhussey8522]

Rejected? This is something they'd greenlight in a heartbeat. Remember Titans?

[@JohnDoe-jc5kt]

@@aaronhussey8522 Maybe, I'm not well versed in what CW has greenlit apart from the flash or arrow, so I deeeeedinately don't know them at their worst. Now I'm concerned.

[@Hawkatana]

@@aaronhussey8522 Titans looks like a damn masterpiece next to Lotus.

[@angyvirtu3593]

​@@aaronhussey8522 Titans wasn't a CW show.

[@aaronhussey8522]

@@angyvirtu3593 Really?! Damn, I've been living a lie. At least I know they made Batwoman, so I can still say the CW makes terrible superhero shows.

[@kieranbarry6706]

I did a lot of art for the film and he promised me a copy of the film on dvd and made me pay for it and never sent it to me and just ignored me afterwards he's just a scammer.

[@Tylerisawesome2]

Nice job at the art by the way also sorry for you

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Oh no! Thats so sad bro. 😢

[@keithharrissuwignjo2460]

I'm sorry he did that to you bro

[@UNSTABLE111]

the movie was not great but i applaud your work on the film. I gotta give credit where credit is due..because its still a team effort at the end of the day and making movies and getting them out is not easy. Just really unfortunate that you were scammed for doing work..All I can say is I hope you gain work from better people..Really sorry he did you dirty on that

[@Byronic19134]

If you did work on the movie never let them charge you for it in return that’s a lesson learned.

[@Akursedtime]

It felt like Spiderman Lotus wanted to be an anime. Flashbacks, looking sad, sappy music, extended stunted dialogue but without the charm and charisma of one.

[@JT-Kazan]

That an insult to anime

[@matthewharner1744]

@@JT-Kazan “but without the charm and charisma of one.”

[@jadenbryant9283]

Yeah this entire thing honestly feels like a ova that was extended to 2 hours for some fucking reason

[@rodrigocoockiemonster4460]

Implying anime has any form of charisma

[@user-ss3wb8he7h]

​@@rodrigocoockiemonster4460 what anime did you watch?

[@chwenhoou]

A passion project made out of spite is doomed to fail. That is the god's honest truth.

[@bigbabado8296]

Wish more people understood that. Making something only because of spite is very easy to tell because that type of hatred/negative energy seeps into the media you create. It's the difference between The Boys (Comic) and The Boys (TV show)

[@Wizardjones69]

@@bigbabado8296 *coughs* fnaf plus *coughs*

[@You-Tube-n5k]

While there have been cases of projects with spite behind them, Shrek is a good example, there's usually a creative vision behind it that stops it from going down the road of something like Lotus. In a way, the spite was converted into love for what they were doing, instead of a "this product will be MUCH better than their's" mindset.

[@randomguy6679]

Unless you’re End of Evangelion

[@MasterVoid01]

*_cough_* ninjago crystalized rewrites *_cough!_*

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

What drives me insane is that Gavin received over 100k to make his movie but he couldn't be bothered to pay the VFX artists

[@ursidae97]

Sorry fucking what??? The only good thing about the movie he stole??

[@cadethumann8605]

The sad thing is that many VFX artists don't get paid, even with bigger budget films. Doesn't excuse Gavin, though. Not one bit.

[@ursidae97]

@@cadethumann8605 it's fucking criminal. I think the cinema industry is profiting off people's hatred for CGI while using CGI. They get to play "oh we didn't want to use it but all other effects are far too expensive!" And then the artists get to go starve

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

​@@cadethumann8605True

[@Byronic19134]

@@cadethumann8605You’re telling me that big budget films dont pay their VFX artists? GTFOH you can say they are underpaid but they don’t work for free dude.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

People who don't like the MCU Spider-Man and I may not see eye-to-eye, but I can't imagine this is what they wanted. Sorry, guys.

[@a-rat-in-your-walls]

I don't like the MCU Spiderman because I can't stand MCU dialogue and I feel making Spiderman wealthy ruins part of his character. This is absolutely not what I wanted.

[@AnomalyINC]

Yeah, no. I don't like the MCU and its Spider-Man (anymore) but I can guarantee that this is not the way. I want an adult Spider-Man, not a perpetual teenager. Sulking about and being moody and angsty is not how I would imagine an adult Peter. Sure, he had his mopey moments, but for the most part he kept his chin up. Angst can work, but it must be contrasted with happiness, or it won't mean anything.

[@SerpentHashiraObanaiIguro]

@@AnomalyINC Insomniac games and Spider-Verse movies say hello.

[@familyguysofunny1933]

​@@AnomalyINCYeah. I think that's what makes Peter Parker Spider-man. He goes through a lot but still keeps his head held high. The radioactive spider didn't make him Spider-man. It was his good heart and unbreakable spirit.

[@TheBonkleFox]

​@@AnomalyINCthe new ultimate spider-man is here to say hi

[@DeterminedTorres]

There was this video called “Spectacular Spider-Man BLUE” by Browntable and it had Josh Keaton’s seal of approval. What’s even funnier (at least, to me,) it’s only 3 minutes long and it’s still better than Lotus.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

I'm not a huge fan of Browntable, but I do have massive respect for their clear love of what they talk about, and Spectacular Spider-Man Blue was a really good example of that!

[@jadenbryant9283]

​​​​@@You-Tube-n5kand also he just has way more talent than Gavin I highly recommend his interstellar Ranger commence series

[@Hero1k]

Josh Keaton? Wait, he's Spider Man? I only remember him as Major Ocelot.

[@devinjabairemoss]

@@Hero1kSomeone’s never seen the Spectacular Spider-Man and it shows

[@Hero1k]

Course not, lol! I'll give it a watch if i can find it.@@devinjabairemoss

[@CarrionCarriesOn]

It's pretty funny how like 90% of this movie is just flashbacks

[@Grag235]

0/10 Needs more Flashbacks

[@daniboy4153]

I know of a horror movie that does this "Mostly flashbacks with barely anything happening in present day"

[@MajinMuu]

jeez it gives the whole saw franchise a run for its money on flashbacks in 2 hours!

[@Byronic19134]

@@daniboy4153Was that movie called Titanic?

[@KlementtM]

It's funny that you can summarize the movie's plot, production and overall quality, all with a single word: sad

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Sad.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

sad

[@brawler5760]

Don’t you mean it’s *sad,* that you can summarize everything about the movie in one word?

[@cartoon-o-rama]

Saaaaàaaaaaaaaddddd!

[@zeldagameryt4018]

I can summarize Lotus in 5 words. HERE COMES THE BIG SAD

[@BrickFighter13]

Is it bad that the damn freaking child was a better actor than any of the other people on screen??

[@thenightstar8312]

It's bad that you're saying this, yes. Because they're actually good, talented actors being given bad material to work with. It's not their fault they were given this mess to work with, and I'm pretty sure they don't deserve to have their careers and livelihood slandered by you. They did their best and it was clear they were talented and trying. It's not their fault the script was awful.

[@star-rock6466]

​@@thenightstar8312 while I do agree the actors were given a bad script, don't act like the commenter insulted them personally, the acting was either meh or correct, it's definitely not a good look that the child was one of the best actors here

[@donovanfaust3227]

​@@star-rock6466except the child wasn't that much better to point out how terrible the others were. His acting was on par with everyone else in that movie, not terrible but not great either.

[@andyblanton6570]

The actress for Mary Jane would be a standout performer in most CW shows.

[@CWTheArtist]

Gavin got praised by Jon Watts for the trailer but still thought he was better. That to me just shows how much of a narcissist he is. Like, I get he doesn’t like the MCU Spidey and that’s fine, it’s not for everyone but if you think “I can do better than you!” Is beyond egotistical. Also, the fact he defended the goblin actor is… it makes me want to puke. Screw this movie and I hope to god he never does anything with Spidey again.

[@pedzad9528]

I hated just how 'nostalgia baity' it felt. I don't know how to express it, but after I saw the first promo art(suit etc.) to me something didn't sit right. It felt as if I was gonna watch a picture that would say 'THIS IS SPIDERMAN! ANY OTHER VERSION WILL BE TERRIBLE, FUCK YOU TOM HOLLAND' . Then the whole racism thing came in and I didn't see it coming. Like, I never expected THAT would kickstart the belief i people that the film won't be good...

[@hyperion3145]

I don't think anybody said the film itself was going to be bad because the guy was a racist. It's just that it's pretty worrying. People also talked about how egotistical the guy was. He has his name on everything and always talks highly of himself. It doesn't really affect the film, but it is pretty worrying about the quality when you've got a director that is a narcissistic asshole. Many films have failed that way, and it's not surprising people thought this guy wasn't making anything worthwhile.

[@nasdaq517]

Right wingers are notoriously bad at creating art. That's why so many of them switch to doing political content after their art careers fail. Misery loves company.

[@The5lacker]

41:35 Even as someone who's never particularly cared for Sonic, I kinda *love* Project '06 because it's not "Ugh, this was bad, I can do it so much better" it's "Damn, this was bad, if only they had the time to really polish it and clean up these rough edges is could've been good though... hey, wait, *we've* got time! We can polish it!" Truly the pinnacle of fan projects: Loving something that probably shouldn't be loved, so much you make it good (or at least better) through sheer force of will.

[@brawler5760]

I think the difference is that Sonic 06 was and truly is terrible by itself, and the fan-game creator went out of his way to realize that dream that Sonic Team had for the game.

[@isaacman112]

Exactly. Art should never be made put of negativity. It will bleed through into the art.

[@thecaptain6520]

"B-b-but we gotta get it out by Christmas" - 2006 Sega execs who learned nothing from ET2600

[@What-ish]

Bingo!

[@MoBorbon]

More like Spider-Man: Scrotus. Got 'em.

[@NayrAnur]

Damn, you got me nostalgic for that Mad Max video game all of a sudden.

[@theussmirage]

Spider Man: Bloatus with all the bloated plot filler

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Spider-Man: Biggus Diccus.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

Spider-man loch-ness. idk that just came to mind lol

[@saddesklunch2544]

@NayrAnur I was just about to make a joke about the War Boys coming for the OP lol. Good to meet a fellow fan.

[@lukebytes5366]

On one hand, i hate seeing fan projects fail deservedly or not. But some fans really need to be humbled on their interpretation of art being "objectively better". That mindset plagues all fan works, even those that were made out of genuine love. Certain fans are so up their own nostalgia that they forget what drew them to art in the first place.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

I hate it when fans try to throw around what they believe a story/character/franchise "should be." It just genuinely bothers me.

[@connormarchand6302]

I feel like Gavin was the exact type of fan Miguel Ohara was supposed to represent in across the spiderverse

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

So either the "spiderman must be miserable for development" enthusiast or being the average Miles hater

[@whocaresaboutthename6850]

​@@magdalenomartinezjr8805Both actually bc he racist 💀

[@rockmangurlx4973]

Is it impossible to just be neutral to him? I like him in Spiderverse but overall Miles is just ok for me.

[@zacharybosley1935]

​@@rockmangurlx4973neutral is one thing. I think they're talking about the "Miles Morales is Miles morales, Peter Parker is Spider-Man" crowd. Those wierdos aren't neutral

[@rockmangurlx4973]

@@zacharybosley1935 Ah. Thanks for clarification. Now that there are so many Spider Men, I kinda just refer to them all by their first name.

[@Urmumlel7025]

Gavin J. Konop is not just a hack. He's that kid who gets the Xbox controller while the older kids are playing the Switch.

[@Brandonweifu]

Oh,that little fugger 😠 Everybody has one it seems

[@robbyrhodes4572]

@Urmumlel7025 all your attempts to call him out fall flats why? Cause he’s still making movies. Hate watching doesn’t help anyone.

[@DarlingMissDarling]

​@@robbyrhodes4572 lol bro wut? You're definitely not using 'hate watching' correctly. 😂😂😂

[@robbyrhodes4572]

@DarlingMissDarling How am I not using The words “Hate Watching” correctly? Also, you and your buddies are not the social media police. Hate watching is this: watching a piece of media specifically to tear it apart. You’re feeding Gavin ammo to be a better filmmaker. Had you not watch the film, he would have been forgotten.

[@Mrg0ldeneye]

I’ll take Spider Man “Turn Off The Dark” over that bs fan film anyday.

[@RyanGP1203_MemeLord]

You're insane

[@seantylerfermin4927]

@@RyanGP1203_MemeLord It's actually very Sane

[@Mrg0ldeneye]

@@RyanGP1203_MemeLord cry me a river

[@You-Tube-n5k]

I actually liked Turn off the Dark ngl. It was basically my version of what the raimi movies were to a lot of people

[@Hawkatana]

"Get me the shoes!"

[@nikhilkapoor428]

I think the ultimate test for Spider-Man fans is when they decide to make actual stories about Spider-Man, whether an official Marvel licensed work or a fanmade project. Most of them put their everything into them because, especially for fan films, that’s what they must give to make the dang thing. You can learn a lot about someone from what they make, especially Spider-Man stories. Great video, considering I’ve never actually seen the film myself (don’t wanna give Gavin any views) and my twin brother severely regrets donating to this ego stroke of a Spider-Man fan film.

[@adonysus]

Spider man is actually a good litmus test for marvel fans. He is supposed to be a stand in for comic fans who feel disenfranchised or left out so the more someone who makes a spider man anything really shows how much they notice and care about the things they read that’s not to say they’re all good but you can tell when someone is putting their heart and soul into something

[@geroldy4546]

Just the “I Love You” webs on the Brooklyn Bridge in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 showed a deeper connection between Peter and Gwen than all of Spider-Man Lotus

[@damien_warren]

Excuse me, you dropped this 👑

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

9:32 It's also why it worked in No Way Home; the character had been in _all three_ of the MCU Spider-Man films, and it was incredibly unexpected. Not only that, but character's death was written in such a way that it served several plot functions at the same time: it pushed Peter to a _very_ dark headspace, was done deliberately by the villain to try and break him, and ultimately provided the last bit of character growth Peter needed.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Damn, ain't a universe around where Gwen gets to live unless she gets super-powers, huh?

[@You-Tube-n5k]

On the subject of MCU Peter, Far From Home also told a much more compelling story involving Peter grieving the recent loss of a loved one.

[@jayson.win231]

​@@Rad-Dude63andathirdspectacular Spiderman

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

​@@Rad-Dude63andathirdSpiderverse is technically infinite. There might be thousands where gwen live

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@Rad-Dude63andathird That basically summed up Spider-Gwen's backstory in _Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse._

[@ThomasFisher-jr6bn]

Another good example of a fan made project that works is Kane Pixel's Backrooms. He took the base concept and used it to create a fleshed out world and introduce new elements that fit the Backrooms really well such as the Bacteria monster. Now he's going to make a feature length movie because of the success of his series. Kane has already handled his craft better than Gavin. He started out small with his first Backrooms video, created a series of videos that expanded his world over the course of nearly 2 years and now he's onto his first big movie.

[@SewerxGator]

just a shame it entirely misunderstands the concept of the backrooms

[@Butwhythough881]

@@SewerxGator The original concept of the backrooms I feel is meant to be an open-ended concept that can be twisted anyway. Kane just expanded on the concept in his own unique way the same way the marble hornets guys expanded on the original Slender Man concept, which I would argue the Backrooms massive popularity explosion is very identical to. Kane’s interpretation just happens to be the most popular and that’s what everyone has gone with

[@connormarchand6302]

His other series oldest view is also really good

[@ThomasFisher-jr6bn]

@@connormarchand6302 True. It also helped Kane improve his craft.

[@FutureRules]

The movie isn’t green lit yet, apparently. And the general audience doesn’t know what a “back room” is or who Kane. The movie is gonna flop so hard. It’s probably gonna end up in development hell.

[@memedealermikey]

I wonder how he’s never had the introspection to recognize that if Peter Parker was real, he would have disdain toward Gavin. (Given his….reputation)

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

Disdain is an understatement. He would be angered on the sheer slander. It would not only be peter but also Harry too. Hus father is played by a literal pdfile, and he would have some flying words for him.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

If Gavin is the actual Spider-Man character, then Spidey would have used his photography skills to gather the evidence against him and send it to Daily Bugle to expose his true color (unless if Gavin was bribed by JJ Jameson to make a movie that makes Spider-Man looked bad, like what he did with newspapers). Thus, ruining his reputation and got kicked out of the film industry.

[@vampsith]

Spider-Man 3 - Jump Fart (HD) is the only Spider-Man product I’ll ever need

[@theussmirage]

This 'fan-film' would have been better received if it was just that scene repeated for 2 hours

[@SwizzleMix]

This but with the Scooby-Doo laugh as well (eg. the Director's Cut)

[@trafficcone7344]

See ya chump

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

I will take Spooderman over this product.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Laugh Over Life's Spooderman trailer is what I absolutely preferred over whatever that gunk of a Lotus is.

[@zachcoats4849]

Spider-Man merchandise happened in the ultimate universe because of King Pin. He bought the rights to Spider-Man. I love how petty it is

[@zachcoats4849]

Had to mention a good Spider-Man story to help get this bad taste out of my mouth

[@hopekeeley2122]

Honestly as a fanfiction writer your praise of fan works warmed my heart so much that it took over my finger and pressed subscribe before I even noticed I did it

[@Wizardjones69]

this movie kinda debunks the idea of "indie always better than triple AAA"

[@Butwhythough881]

Spider-Man is just too much of a spectacle to do a big 2 hour fan film. It’s not a Never Hike Alone Situation where it’s not only shorter but is a fan film based on a long dormant franchise that thrives on making low budget slasher films (Friday The 13th)

[@lLiteralmente]

kkkkkkkkkkkkk tavo lendo o comentario olhei pra sua foto e é o grande mago davy jones pqp do nada

[@matt0044]

Well… on an inherent level. There are advantages like not dealing with red tape or studio heads who wouldn’t know a screenplay if it gave them a paper cut. That said… yeah.

[@LOC-Ness]

do you work for Disney Intelligence or something?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@LOC-Ness no, im just saying that the idea of "indie is the salvation blah blah" gives some indie productions a big ego, thats what happened with spider man lotus

[@hada__02]

This movie is what happens when someone realises they don’t like MCU films makes a movie, whilst refusing to watch anything other than MCU films

[@thenightstar8312]

Raimi's Spider-Man 2 wasn't an MCU film, genius. You might wanna re-write your statement or delete it because saying that makes you look foolish.

[@GJikok]

​@thenightstar8312 but who said it was?

[@ravindupadmanath2802]

@@thenightstar8312bro what??

[@dekudude8888]

@@thenightstar8312Why spend your precious time on earth riding the meat of a mid movie?

[@bobbysworld281995]

​@@GJikok Raimi stans can't appreciate different things

[@Llamas600x]

I really enjoyed the fact that you gave attention and shouted out other fan made media that does show a genuine love and passion through its art

[@thenightstar8312]

Kinda weird that he mentioned Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z Abridged though since they spent so much of their time from the Cell arc onwards to the end trying to disrespect the direction of the series and constantly drag and rip into Dragon Ball Super and GT. I think a lot of their effort went towards spite and ego near the end.

[@geroldy4546]

No matter how many hits I take, I always traumadump to the terminally ill child

[@knightatyourservice7512]

I would like to point out something similar to what Cosmonaut Variety Hour said in his video regarding Lotus: If you have a dream project that you think is worth it, it is probably also worth waiting for it. What I mean is you should just do enough projects so you can gain more experience, knowledge, and understanding of the art medium you are working with, so you can later use that experience to make your dream project the best it can be. If you start with your dream project, not only you are risking making a product that is not good, but if you decide to continue your career, it will not matter how much experience you have gained, you will never be able to go back to your project (unless you get a shot at a remake, or you are George Lucas). I'll admit... I would like to write books, but so far I've barely done anything to improve or work for that matter. However, I noticed that I'm focusing too much on a project that just... will not turn out to be good with my level of experience (too many characters, complicated world-building, not having a clear aim for the story, too ambitious).

[@Manny4Life948]

“my movie can beat up your movie”

[@thecaptain6520]

"My movie has a bigger dick"

[@mysterykiddo2167]

You that's basically what GJK said when making this film

[@macgyver42563]

"Oh yeah? Well my movie could beat your movie and then will go on to beat the other movie!!"

[@brandonspain12345]

Anyone ever noticed the scene when Peter looks at videos of Gwen on his laptop is literally a rip-off to the laptop scene in We Bought A Zoo (2011)? RIGHT DOWN TO THE SAME SONG FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!

[@ursidae97]

Imagine ripping off We Bought a Zoo

[@brandonspain12345]

@@ursidae97 😭😭😭

[@NoomEnihsDrop]

Fun Fact: Stan Lee stated in at least 2 interviews (that we know of) that he never intended for Gwen Stacy to die or at least not when she did and how she did. So one of the darkest and most iconic moments in comics history was literally never even *meant* to happen in the first place. I say all that to say.... I agree with his take on "The Death of Gwen Stacy isn't really possible to adapt properly as a singular movie." ....so just do what Spectacular Spider-Man and the Ultimate Spider-Man Comics did and keep her alive and tell a story based around her that way.

[@RedtailArt]

We've focused on a lot of the big issues but I want to nitpick one thing: they show Shocker using electricity powers. His abilities are sound-based. he makes shockwaves, thus the name. You know it's going to be a good movie when they don't even get the first villain's power right

[@Santoryu90]

I’ve seen people use this movie as an example to say all fan made things are bad, which is annoying.

[@Wizardjones69]

I not blame those people because its annoying people saying "indie will save everthing", indie and triple AAA are brothers, none of the two is better than the other one

[@Santoryu90]

@@Wizardjones69 I see what you mean, but that’s still kinda a shitty mindset thinking something that’s fan made and or made without a big budget means it’s automatically bad, and this movie is clearly not one of the good ones.

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Santoryu90 the problem is, lotus had to ask people money to make the movie, and lotus was expansive as hell

[@crystalalumina]

Amazing PSM made a video about Spider-Man fan films that are actually good

[@lukebytes5366]

it's an example to call out the "fixed it for you" mantra certain fans have on media.

[@jcoster8291]

"With great power comes great ways to use human shields as a way to preserve your own life at the expense of theirs."- Spider-Man Lotus

[@snintendog]

Oh no he pulled HIRED goons into the blast aimed at him. You know you can do that in the games right?

[@bobbysworld281995]

​@@snintendog video game logic, dude. They're not 1:1 here

[@AJ-dx6bn]

​@@bobbysworld281995 hush hush his only reference for life is a video games

[@marveler8994]

I actually wouldnt mind you making a whole video about GOOD fan projects, it actually inspires me in a way

[@You-Tube-n5k]

Same ngl

[@mas._.k_]

i went to the premiere of this, and as i mention in the video i have coming out soon on that, i enjoyed the ride home talking about how bad it was more than the film itself

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

The merchandising thing actually does make sense: “Oh, Spider-Man, you want some of your rightfully owed money for your likeness? Sure, just take off that mask and sign the contract!”

[@miragebangbravern]

Which exactly happens in the comics

[@wander7812]

I love what you chose as the title; "Anti-Fan", because of what Anti in such context means. Such as an Anti-Hero, being a "Hero" thats so morally questionable, out of pocket and out of the line of actual heroism, that said character makes you go "Wow... ihat's a hero?" or "Hey that aint no Hero...", similar to Anti-Villain, which is a "Villain" that goes on the same of making you go: "Wow, that's the villain?" or "That aint no Villain!...". Apparently a Hero/Villain, or supposely one. Yet, are quite the opposite. In similar fashion: Anti-Fan! Since Lotus was heavily marked as being made by fans, for fans. Yet, this movie really manages to go so out of the line at literally everything inside and related to it, that it makes any actual fan go "Wow... that ain't no fan-for-fan project..." Supposely a movie for a fan, made by a fan. Yet, at the same time it isn't. Quite the clever title.

[@ursidae97]

So much pathos

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Anti-fans are known for ruining the reputation of any media and its fanbase just to be better for themselves. They are just equally as bad as the toxic fandoms.

[@javierlopez9789]

Spite and ego sounds like 95% of spiderman fans

[@xsoultillerx]

basically. spider-man probably has the whiniest fanbase in capeshit.

[@darth_autismo]

​@@xsoultillerx As a casual Batman fan, I beg to differ.

[@xsoultillerx]

@@darth_autismo not really. spider-man fans can't let go of an almost 20 something year old retcon while still giving marvel the money that enables the manchildren who write their comics to do the very things they complain about.

[@billyboleson2830]

@@darth_autismo Batman power scalers are whiny

[@darth_autismo]

@@billyboleson2830 Yes

[@imadoggo3916]

IMO this debunks the idea that “the fans know best”

[@Wizardjones69]

Yeah, im tired of people always saying that "indie is the salvation and its always better than triple AAA" No, its not always, the two type of gaming are brothers that have their qualities and flaws, no one is better than another

[@EthanRom]

Or maybe consider that the fan was 18 years old and has never made a movie in his entire life. He was never gonna beat the big guys and anybody who thought so was delusional

[@Butwhythough881]

@@EthanRom The point still stands. You want to do stuff of that size. Build yourself up to be able to do it. I know people always say “you should make what you want to make” but if you don’t have the skill and know-how make something on the same scale as this movie’s concept, you probably should hold off until you can. It’s how we got directors like Ed Wood and the guy who made Manos The Hands of Fate.

[@EthanRom]

@@Butwhythough881 The thing is the big directors now likely had their stinkers back when they were growing up, but the difference was they didn't have the internet ridiculing them. This is unhealthy for the indie film making space. Indie film making is supposed to be a place to make mistakes. Try things that maybe work or maybe don't. Now we are criticising the work of an 18 year old and holding him to the same standard of big budget studios. It's incredibly dangerous to do this. If this becomes a trend, it'll turn off a lot of indie directors from even putting their work out there. Remember a lot of them do it for passion and not for monetary gain. It's easy to blast big budget movies, because we paid money to watch the movies and they owe us as fans, but to have this entitlement towards fan projects is not right

[@Butwhythough881]

@@EthanRom First of all, don’t mix up passion and spite. That’s very to do. Second, the directors that had their “stinkers” back in the day, still received criticism and feedback and bettered themselves. Ed Wood made a lot of bad films, that eventually did become cult classics but were panned back in the day, and didn’t care about feedback/criticism and you know what happened to him? He spent the remainder of his life making porn flicks. As a young or indie filmmaker, while you should never be fine with death threats, you should be open to criticism and constructive feedback. Gavin made a feature-length Spider-Man movie that tried to be on the same level as a big budget studio film and even had a big movie premiere for it, so naturally it’s going to be held to that standard. Also Gavin isn’t a child, he’s an adult. And it’s comments like yours that allow people to refuse to learn from mistakes. Other fan projects out there do a way better job without trying to be on the same level as the studios, and they don’t get anywhere the amount of press Lotus got. THAT is what bothers me most. Filmmaking is a competitive business if you can’t handle the heat and improve, you won’t get far.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodYT]

when I was eleven years old Gavin and his friends bullied me almost daily on our old Instagram accounts, honestly I’m glad he’s finally reached his downfall.

[@animationunlimited2958]

Why did the bully you?

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodYT]

@@animationunlimited2958 a number of years ago I had an account known as Spidey_Force. I would post edits and the such but I was NOT the best at it considering it was my first time and Gavin’s account (Spidey.central) was my main inspiration behind it- so he and his friends would invite me into group chats just to dog on me and make memes out of everything I did and made, then would occasionally spam me saying how great I was then revert back to their previous behaviour. It was a rough time and I finally broke from it the day I deleted that account and started anew on @raimiverse101

[@allhailthecrimsonking]

​​@@animationunlimited2958Probably cuz he said he liked the MCU Spider-Man

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodYT]

@@allhailthecrimsonking naw I also dislike MCU Spidey tbh

[@allhailthecrimsonking]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodYT Alright, then what did they bully you about?

[@kweassa6204]

The dangers of the "fan mentality" and "fan material" are, very typically, it becomes way over confident of a certain, specific interpretation of the "source material" that they PREFER, and often mistake their own preference as an objective, definitive, and prescriptive standard on how the "source material" should be viewed. (... but in reality, even the "source material" itself switches back and forth between different portrayals and its interpretations. Thus, what "being true to source material" actually means, is itself a contentious issue) In short, it's basically just the toxicity of "fan forums" coming alive in some other media form. Everyone has a certain, preferred view and interpretation, and they start fighting over who has the "correct" view of the "source material." So they go into diatribes about why everyone else's view on the "source material" is wrong, and how their interpretation is the "correct" one, and therefore how they are the most authentic and superior among true fanbois, and ultimately, should be able to gatekeep. Ah, the dark side of "fan culture." You see these stuff everyday in any medium that has a "fandom." Star Wars fans, Trekkies, LotR fans, Kaiju movie fans.. video game fans.. animation/manga fans (anyone remember the '90s and the fekkin' 'Evangelion debates'?) ... etc. etc. So, this film, is basically the culmination of that negative side of 'fan culture.' A self-expression of the fandom done in the wrong way.

[@Wizardjones69]

ever since sonic mania launched, fans started with the mentality of "indie always better"

[@andresvelez6538]

Prime example as in why Spiderman twitter fanboys shouldn't make Spiderman movies either

[@thomasraines1396]

Twitter is just terrible in general.

[@robbyrhodes4572]

Twitter is terrible indeed.

[@pogggaming4470]

Ah yes when something bad happens, always blame Twitter itself and not the people that started it

[@robbyrhodes4572]

@pogggaming4470 Twitter was involved. The kid who “exposed” Gavin was a fool because he tried to be friends with someone way older than he was. No one ever brings it up.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

That's not surprising. Twitter is just being a platform with the worst attitude, and that's just another Tuesday.

[@taylorunderwood8611]

If I had to write the story of Spider-Man: Lotus and had to keep the similar story elements, I would’ve had Green Goblin still be alive, and Spider-Man would stop at nothing to try and hunt him down to kill him, until he was called in to visit the kid that would’ve helped him realise he’s going down a dark path and that Gwen wouldn’t want that, it’ll be then where Goblin would strike again and spidey would stop him without killing him and of course there would be emotional beats to it. Obviously this movie was on a budget but I think that they could’ve done that using clever tricks and it would’ve complimented the story a lot more

[@aidanshowers8366]

Legend: a dragon ball tale is similar to sonic 06, the creator Agent Mystery Meat was dissatisfied with how vegeta always lost to a main villain and wanted to see what would happen if he was given more spotlight against a big foe. But there was not an ounce of malice in the fan film, there are references and cameos. The film was dedicated to making vegeta better than toriyama, it was a love letter to dragon ball as a franchise.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Plus it's animated beautifully

[@shawnotoole9195]

Very, VERY little known fact, Spidey's mask is canonicaly supposed to make his voice muffled, as it would make it harder for others to figure out his secret identity. That doesn't excuse the lack of ADR, but it makes sense.

[@BarberShave19]

It just goes to show that Spider-Man fans don't always know what's best for the character.

[@MaximumSpider19]

Spider-Man: Lotus is what you get if you let The Daily Wire make a Spider-Man movie.

[@Tylerisawesome2]

You mean daily bugle (I write this comment without understanding the comment😅)

[@atp8108]

@@Tylerisawesome2Given the MCU portrayal of the daily bugle in No Way Home, the daily wire comparison isn’t so far off 😂

[@Tylerisawesome2]

@atp8108 good point

[@rpond]

Definitely not lol

[@atp8108]

@@rpond You’re right, if the daily wire made it it would have been so much worse 😂

[@tannerprice2018]

If it were me writing this movie, or at least if the kid asked about “The Girl On The Bridge” in some other adaptation of “The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man,” it should’ve been Peter simply saying, “She died, and I felt really terrible about it, sometimes I still do.” But the kid simply says “I’m sorry, Spider-Man,” and instead of trauma-dumping on this poor terminally-ill child, Spidey says “That’s the hardest part of the job, sometimes you can’t always save everyone.” A callback to one of the most emotional lines from Into The Spiderverse that yes, highlights Peter’s heartbreak, but the kid still completely understands his problems, because Spidey’s only one guy, and one guy can’t solve every problem. And Peter feels a bit reassured that the kid still looks up to him, even when acknowledging that Spider-Man can’t save every person.

[@niceusername303]

Glad I stumbled on this channel, I really wanted Lotus to be something more than it turned out to be. It sucks that the whole experience not only did viewers but actors are uncomfortable. But I think Lotus needed to fail to remind others what passionate art looks like, I think you explained that well.

[@metal6948]

This is much better than Cosmonaut Variety Hour's review. He legit started his review out by saying he hates fan works and pretty much wrote off anything not made by the big studios. Your review is automatically better by virtue of not using your platform to devalue fan works in general.

[@surrealbrain4227]

People say the MCU Spider-Man films don't get Spider-Man, and okay, they certainly make deviations from the norm, for better or for worse. But I would still say they're a better rendition of Spider-Man than THIS.

[@coltonwilkie241]

The MCU Spider-Man would be a top tier Spider-Man if they just got rid of Ned. He can take his Lego sets to another universe.

[@randomguy6679]

@@coltonwilkie241Nah, he’s hilarious, get rid of the shitty MJ in Homecoming instead.

[@Sora-tm3tx]

I would've been fine with MCU Spider-Man if they didn't make Tom Holland's Peter rely too much on Tony Stark including making him a new suit. The suit is basically autopilot for him. That's not I how would pictured Spider-Man if they were to put him in the MCU. This is just how I feel about it.

[@hujan1744]

This video looks and sounds like it was made by someone with years of expreience and with a big fan-base. I kinda got SIdeways vibes in the editing of section transitions (the bg music and the way you said the section names is basicly the same) whitch isn't a bad thing, he makes great stuff. This video was pretty well put and written and explains the issues of the movie really well.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

That entire bit at the end talking about other fan projects got me kind of emotional ngl. You've earned yourself a sub!

[@baligong3592]

Funny enough, the storytelling of the movie is something most fans who wants "comic accuracy" (they really mean "plagiarise the comics) actually wants.

[@bobbysworld281995]

Plagiarism and Fridging.

[@baligong3592]

@@bobbysworld281995 CORRECT!! And I don't like any of these "Fans" who just prefers the easy way out because they see Comics as The Holy Book for their Characters.

[@ursidae97]

Yeah I don't just want to see them copy the comics like a free guide. Even if they happen to make good movies from that, it's not through real effort, and the creators become atrophied when they run out of prewritten stories

[@baligong3592]

@@ursidae97 for me, what I don't like is that when they basically want Plagiarism done to the Big Screen/Silver Screen, it makes the adaptation like some amazing StoryTelling when basically everything was Half-Assed. Not only that, but when they do this, it gives poeple less incentive to read the Comics. It works for Anime, because: - Creator is Fully involved, and the money goes straight to them - it's to Further Popularise the Author and their Manga - you're getting 1 version of the character. It's fun seeing how other People Research on the character, and give them their own Twist on the character based on what they read and understood. It's like making a Marking on a Big Mural full of So many people's works.

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

Most forget that MCU characters are literally not the same characters from Marvel Comics.

[@jackofalltraits2145]

I’m someone who used to not vibe with the MCU interpretation of Spider-Man (mostly because I had high expectations that it would be the best and most accurate Spider-Man in live action). I’ve grown to appreciate and love it more over time. However, in all my years of not hating but not loving this adaptation, I never once thought “oh I bet I can do better” because that’s stupid, insane, and frankly an insult to all the passionate artists that have their own vision for what Spider-Man should be. Even as someone who loves the older incarnations better (the Raimi trilogy being a big part of why I love the character), I would rather get a new fresh take on the character that still respects the source material than a botched retelling of two of the characters best stories. Personally, I would love to see a live action Spider-Man Netflix series that goes from Freshman High school Peter to middle aged father and husband Peter Parker. Similar in style and writing to the Daredevil show. But that’s just me.

[@sciencefantastic]

Like Spider Man Life Story? I’d like something like that.

[@Butwhythough881]

“I can do better” or even “Anyone can do that” is how we got such wonderful films like The Room and Manos The Hands of Fate. Also I heard he tried to back pedal on those statements by creating fake tweets saying that it wasn’t the case?

[@jackofalltraits2145]

@@sciencefantastic Exactly. Life Story but instead of just seeing segments from each decade each season is one year of Peter's life.

[@gazem_3211]

​@jackofalltraits2145 If each season is one year of Peter's life, then it would probably be more than 20 if he were to go from freshman to middle-aged husband.

[@jackofalltraits2145]

@@gazem_3211 Yeah, but then again TV shows can last a long time. This is just an unrealistic expectation I have that I know will very likely never become a reality. At the most, I just want I Spider-Man TV show (live action or animated) to go from College to Early Adult years.

[@glassbearproductions]

I saw this video in my recs, thought "man this was really good! I wonder what other videos this guy has made", and was shocked when I only saw that you've made 4 videos so far. The quality of this video is genuinely impressive. Good stuff.

[@AY-rf9xo]

No way this is just your second full video essay bro, the polish on this video essay had me thinking you’ve been doing this for years 😭. Keep up the great work

[@Priest-Seto]

“Look my way” a (hell of a boss) fan made song was soo well admired by both alike fans and even the artist Vissiepop herself that she went ahead and made the song canon even made of music video for it

[@hi.fi.mike4]

As someone in college for film (💀) when I make my videos, if I feel the need to explicitly narrate or use dialogue to explain an emotion or what’s happening, I know I fucked up. Being told what’s going on or how to feel is never something you wanna do in a MOTION PICTURE

[@Happy_Slappy2_0]

I had no idea that Spider-Man Lotus was a thing until I saw a premier starting soon thing for it on KZbin a year ago, I hit the "notify me" button and when it came time to watch I definitely 100% watched all 2 hours of this movie. No cap. And how I felt about it afterwards was exactly what was said in this video. I didn't know about all the stuff before or after this fan film until now but I gotta say, good LORD the whole crew behind this movie shocked the hell out of me.

[@PhoebeTheFairy56]

Even before the racism stuff came out I had a bad feeling about Lotus because of the way it was said to be "everything spider-man fans want" while sounding not at all like what I would want. I'm sure there are fans who want a movie about Gwen dying but I'm not one of them

[@blakchristianbale]

I remember seeing Gavin’s list of movies that he used as inspiration and noticing it was 90% romance and drama films rather than superhero films which suggested the project had gone in some strange directions Like it’s one thing to look to Before Sunrise for inspiration for the romantic scenes in a Spiderman movie, it’s quite another to not watch any action movies

[@VTAnimation]

I turned this on randomly last night and I saw Kirby's Café. Dude... LOL TYSM for the beautiful words. I agree, if you make any sort of fan based project, do it for the love and not driven by a vendetta.

[@LizardOfOz69]

I've said it on Blusky, and I'll say it again here: you sir, have the best video on Spider-Man Lotus on KZbin. and considering the fact that this is your 2nd video, this is no small feat. congratulations man, it's a banger.

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

He is in contest to Cosmanaut Variety video on Spider Man

[@LizardOfOz69]

@@AStoryteller-for-fun unlike that one that just hated fan stuff from the get go, this guy hates this movie BECAUSE he loves fan stuff...

[@tasamolic]

It's practically just a regurgitation of every point Cosmonaut made

[@LizardOfOz69]

@@tasamolic nor really, Cosmonaut hates fan made stuff from the get go, and this dude clearly likes them.

[@sparklecove3661]

Fun fact! (If I'm remembering correctly) There was actually a plot in the Spider Man comics about Spider man merchandise and from what I remember it basically summed down to Kingpin buying the copyright to all of the Spider Man merchandise and him being like "You being alive helps me and brings in hundreds of thousands of dollars daily, I own you" thing

[@parakathepyro]

Ill never understand the people who think Miles Morales cant be Spider-Man and think the webs come out of Spider-Mans body.

[@blakchristianbale]

What’s to understand? They’ve just only seen the Raimi version

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Imo biological web-shooters were always the coolest version and nothing about his power-set really screams "spider" to me on its own without it.

[@goiabexp]

What if I think Miles can be Spider-Man and prefer the Natural Webbing at the same time?

[@randomgamer625]

Honestly I find it hilarious that they hate the MCU “comic book costume or name being made fun of in universe” only to do the exact same thing

[@bobbysworld281995]

My guy thinks Spider-Man wouldn't quip his enemies to submission, and "JJJ saying Otto's name like an Easter egg" as exposition is comedy gold.

[@randomgamer625]

@@bobbysworld281995 I don’t understand what your trying to say but k

[@Crowrona]

I still can't get over the fact this movie has actual loading screens for transitions.

[@floatingf8783]

Well, WebbStarr, you are an odd fellow, but I must say. . . you roast a bad movie.

[@Montesama314]

"The MCU movies are inferior! I could do better... By copying the Raimi films and two comic book storylines." Wow, real fucking unique.

[@GinaDriedUp]

This entire movie just makes me think of when Max G was ranting about the Powerpuff Girls 2016 reboot and said "Why would you focus on the part of a superhero's life when they're not being a superhero, when UNDENIABLY the most interesting THING about superheroes...is THAT THEY'RE SUPERHEROES!!!" It's even dumber in Spider-Man's case, because we already get to see plenty of his non-superhero life in the source material alongside his superhero life. We didn't need to see an extended teen drama cut of his normal life, it's just redundant.

[@onceortwiceooh]

I thought this was a channel that’s been around for a long time based on the first impression of its quality, so very surprised to see it’s fairly new! Great video, looking forward to seeing your channel grow

[@MeltiMoon]

I knew Gavin and his friends for quite some time when I was younger, he and those who surrounded him never tended to like me as I was really passionate about Tom Holland's Spider-Man. A lot of those in his corner would call others slurs by commenting one letter at a time and Gavin had (I belive jokingly) told me to take my own life when I was a teenager. There was a lot of hate for Tom Holland's Spider-Man brought on by a KZbinr Hi-Top films and so a lot of people tried to come up with their own ways to do it better. Gavin's work just like many others was not out of a place of love but of hatred so I believe that truly is why this film was not as amazing as it could have been. If it was made out of passion for the source material I believe this film would have been spectacular, but it was made out of spite. I hope that more fan-films that were made out of love can be given the spotlight in the future.

[@Butwhythough881]

If he and his friends didn’t like you for you liking Tom Holland’s Spider-Man and using slurs, I doubt he was joking. Other than that, most of the people who are praising this film are either Raimi fanboys, toxic MCU haters, or people who claim they know the comics but have never picked one up. I think it’s funny however that Gavin’s big dream Spider-Man story to one up the MCU was a 1:1 adaptation of two comics that you can just go read and get the same amount of content but better written and much shorter. Spider-Man Monsters of Manhattan is a fan series that’s coming out and it looks like it has a great production value. We should definitely push that one into the spotlight.

[@zackanderson7440]

At least Hi-Top had the emotional intellect and maturity to understand that it’s okay for others to like the MCU spider-man trilogy. Gavin just seems to be pretentious about it.

[@Benji568]

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, man. As someone who likes the MCU Spidey films too, and I am not ashamed to admit it, I know how it feels. Jon Watts did his own thing with the character, and that is totally okay. I bet there's some Batman fans out there who are hating on Matt Reeves' interpretation and are shouting to the world for how much it sucked and those who like it are shills who don't understand Batman. I mean people can like what they like, you can't just blatantly tell them they're wrong. If people do that to others, then clearly they are assholes. Gavin is clearly a toxic manbaby who doesn't like change and hates anybody who has a different vision to him. There are some fans who are like this and it sucks. He clearly made this garbage movie to stick it to Jon Watts, Kevin Fiege and Marvel Studios saying "Look at this. I can do better. I know Spider-Man than you ever will." and he failed miserably.

[@hyperx72]

​@@Butwhythough881 Hey, no hate to the Raimiverse now, those movies are classic!

[@Butwhythough881]

@@hyperx72 dude… i’m talking about the psychotic fans who praise the movies like Buddha and attack people who like any other version aside from Spectacular Spider-Man. Don’t try to strawman me.

[@Zebra_fandomfella03]

Spider-Man lotus pretty much makes Morbius look like a academy award winning movie 7:30

[@bartoszdulas1703]

Spider-Man Lotus did something amazing. It created an unlikeable Spider-Man. The only other media where Spider-Man as a character seems unlikeable for me was Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon but that is mostly due to Drake Bell's annoyong voice that can't play anything else than obnoxious idiot. Spectacular thing that this movie did is screwing up such simple and nice story as Spider-Man Blue. "Blue" is not about Peter and gang being sad for Gwen's death. It's about Peter confessing Gwen through tape messages that thanks to Mary Jane he got back up after Gwen's death and started to believe in love again. It doesn't center around grief, but around love. Sensational thing that Lotus did is screwing up "The Kid who collects Spider-Man". When Peter met the kid in the story, he wasn't at some low point of his life. He was at your typical Spider-Man life "just tryin' to do better". He tells the child about his struggles, about his doubts, but he doesn't do it to trauma dump a terminally ill child, but to show the child that he is just a normal guy. Spider-Man is not a perfect soldier, symbol like Captain America, he is not a god among human like Thor or world famous scientist like Mr. Fantastic, he truly is just a friend from neighbourhood. He has better and worse days, but he never gives up. That's the point. Lotus is what you would get if Zack Snyder's fanatics were given hands in making a superhero movie.

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

You know what this reminds me of? Sonic Omens A "fan" game that had a lengthy development period, released with negative reception from fans, was eventually revealed to be made out of spite by the creator Bolt and had some seriously scummy people who didn't sugarcoat their behaviour and misdeeds. Case and Point: The words "Bad Girl" being textured on Maria's underwear (I'm not joking) Edit: Not to mention, the most melodramatic story that puts Sonic 06 to shame, like SplashDash said

[@Wizardjones69]

other examples: fnaf plus, you know why

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

@@Wizardjones69 There's also the original Dormitabis Need I say more?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380 i think the creator of the original dormitabis didnt want to spite the series of scott, he just said that his game just focusses on the first 4 games

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

@@Wizardjones69 True Doesn't diminish his shady practices though

[@Wizardjones69]

@@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380 but fnaf plus was out of spite, remember when phisnom said that "i will make fnaf plus scarier than sb will ever be", looks like his plan failed by the fact that the game was cancelled lol

[@c-puff]

Shoutout to that fan-made live action youtube show re-enactment of Life is Strange. I don't even like the game because I think the writing and characters are awful but that series of videos made by passionate people is SO accurate and on point despite having 0 budget and you can tell the people who made it really cared both about the game and the thing they were making.

[@Farmeryeti]

This video is a better Spider-Man fan film than Lotus ever was

[@tntdude3152]

I love the idea of him having a panic attack, reminds me of Iron Man 3.

[@xacmashe3852]

Ain't no way the Spider-Racist vs Groomer Goblin movie is the one that has gay rep. What fucking timeline are we in?

[@RiderNexus]

This "movie" was the moment I realised that Spider-Man fans like Gavin may have a misery porn fetish

[@namecomingsoon9517]

24:00 THANK YOU!! One of my least favorite parts in comicbook media is when the comics or actual merchandise are in the world of the media. I hate it so much. You can have posters but having the actual comics in the comic i get annoyed with

[@USERsubject0]

So everyone out here talking about the video itself, but can i just take a second to mention how surprised i was when i found out you only have 3 videos on your channel? This video was of good enough quality overall that i thought you'd been doing this for quite a while. I'm actually gonna sub just so i can see how far you go from beginnings like this

[@dweeep03]

same, a very well made video and we want more

[@SammyRobinson62232]

So basically the movie is just an angsty ego trip of a movie. As the creator believes they can do better. And while it’s okay to be disappointed in a project they enjoy and try to do correct it’s mistakes. The fan in question needs to do not having a mindset of “oh I can do better” and more of “I didn’t like how this went and I wanna flesh out xyz while still showing why I enjoy this project in the first place” basically not out of anger but out of love and disappointment and or curiosity since that’s what AU are. Yep that make sense