GUE Fundamentals Equipment - How to setup tanks and regulators?

#guedivers #gueheroes #divegue
This video is about the most obvious GUE Fundamentals Equipment you gonna need for your GUE Fundamentals class with me (or most likely any other GUE Instructor) - the tanks and regulators. I explain which tanks are recommended to use, if you have to buy double tanks and what lengths are recommended for your hoses.
One thing I forgot to mention: Don't buy 300 bar tanks! They suck! ;)
Double 12:
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Single 12:
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The regulators I use:
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[@BiteSizeTech]

Awesome video mate, editing is sleek. Keep up the great work. Can’t wait to see more!

[@DoktorBEN]

Thanks! Do you have anything special in mind you’d like to see?

[@BiteSizeTech]

No worries! Nothing I can think of off the top of my head

[@davestadnik8739]

Hi Ben thank you so much for the content , your channel helped me find a gue instructor in Ontario Canada and just signed up for my fundamentals class👍. Also was great help for setting up all my gear and first set of doubles . Thank you 🙏🏻🇨🇦

[@DoktorBEN]

Very nice! Good to read that! Have lots of fun in your Fundamentals!

[@davestadnik8739]

@@DoktorBEN thank you I’m really looking forward to it 👌

[@JurNL80]

I really like the way you explain everything in your movies. It's very clear. Maybe I will take a class one day.

[@DoktorBEN]

Thank you very much! Yeah I’d love to see you in a class one day!

[@JurNL80]

I guess I have to travel to Germany then :0).

[@DoktorBEN]

@@JurNL80 where are you from? I teach world wide ;)

[@JurNL80]

:0) I live in the Netherlands.

[@DoktorBEN]

That’s close! The border is 5 min by foot from my place ;)

[@AdamReidBSc]

Hey Ben, cracking job! With the twins you made no mention of having them 02 clean and filled with 32% - I’m having to do this ahead of my Fundy class this week.

[@DoktorBEN]

Depends if you use partial pressure filling or not. If you do, it’s a good idea to clean them

[@AdamReidBSc]

@@DoktorBEN for me it was a requirement of the class, so needed to be done ahead of time. I don’t (didn’t) normally use enriched air in my twins before.

[@DoktorBEN]

@AdamReidBSc 32% is the standard gas. But depending on logistics, I used air on a class before. Still, EAN is preferable.

[@DOHCG]

Thank you

[@DoktorBEN]

You’re welcome!

[@gavrillourie3759]

Will you please do a video on how to use non-deco GUE dive table use? thanks (you have great gue content, getting ready for fundies next week)

[@DoktorBEN]

Yeah I can do that! Thanks for watching and good luck!

[@janinacooper4199]

Looking into signing up for GUE Fundies class. Thank you for the info!

[@DoktorBEN]

That’s awesome! I’m going to produce more of this content. Who’s going to be your instructor?

[@janinacooper4199]

DoktorBEN I think the dive shop works with multiple GUE Instructors, but possibly Guy Shockey for Fundies. The shops name is “eight diving” a Seattle diving company in Des Moines in Washington. I’m looking to become a better scuba diver and I’m really attracted to the gue class because of the safety aspect and standardization. Your videos on the subject are super helpful, thank you for that! :-)

[@DoktorBEN]

@@janinacooper4199 did you already sign up for a class in the meantime?

[@janinacooper4199]

@@DoktorBEN hi! Yes I did, Kees Beemster Leverenz from Seattle (thru “eight diving”) was my instructor, I got the rec pass in October. Fundies was fantastic, best class I have taken. Now planning to sign up for the doubles primer in January (depending on the covid situation). :-)

[@DoktorBEN]

Congrats! Hope my videos helped you in some way!

[@Thiione]

Thank you for this video, Ben. I was curious on about your routing for the double valve, single tank. You rigged it like a single tank. Could you do a video of how to route hoses and positioning the first stage on the double valve, single tank? My logic would be that there wouldn't be room for the first stages facing each other, so maybe they would be facing down or away from each other? I would love to see a video on this. Btw, my first stages are like the ones you use on the double tank setuo with the 5th port.

[@DoktorBEN]

Excellent idea! I’ll do that, soon!

[@Thiione]

@@DoktorBEN Looking forward to it!

[@agarcia5558]

Hi DoktorBEN! First of all, thank you for this helpful video and, in general, for all the videos offered in your channel I have a question about the double tanks. Are there and differences between convex bottom cylinders and flat bottom cylinders? Initially I think the flat bottom double could be more convenient for standing in the ground, but I've appreciated that most of the technical divers have convex bottom doubles.

[@DoktorBEN]

Thank you! Typically, concave ones are heavier especially at the bottom. I personally don’t find them more convenient, because I don’t let tanks stand anyway if not tied up.

[@rednissan001]

Flat bottoms (euro tanks) tend to be longer than convex bottoms and tend to work better for twins as the extra length helps with trim.

[@DoktorBEN]

Yeah depends. They’re usually heavier what can be less beneficial, too. But they are heavy at the bottom which is good for people who are head heavy in terms of trim

[@Repeatedlyreminded]

I noticed your swivel styled first stages (I suppose Scubapro?) - I own a Atomic T3 that I got on a good deal. However, these are officially certified to only 50m of depth, which seems to be a bottleneck from an insurance point of view. Would you rather go for a set of new and cheaper regulators (f.e. Apeks), which are potentially certified for deeper profiles - or just get a second Atomic T3 (which I love) to add to the setup?

[@DoktorBEN]

Well...I wouldn’t recommend doing anything without the proper certification... however, it seems to be an issue with insurance not with regulators. DAN for instance covers no matter what regulator you use, as long as you stay within safe gas limits. I personally own Atomic M1 as main regulators - the one I use in most videos - and they’re used deeper than 50m 😉

[@tanmanotis1]

Great video! What are your thoughts using a manual spg and electronic transmitter? i like logging the data for gas consumption calculations, so I don’t have to log anything on my slate during my dive.

[@DoktorBEN]

Well…I think they’re unnecessary. Just note down the pressure at the beginning of the dive and at the end. If you nie time and average depth, you have your SCR

[@rednissan001]

@@DoktorBEN doesn’t always work that way. You need to be at a constant depth for a set time to work out your sac rate accurately. 10meters for 10 minutes is the best as it makes for easy math

[@DoktorBEN]

You don’t have to, if you know the average depth of the dive

[@juanpereira6258]

Hi Ben! What is your impression about the hoses miflex ( XT-Tech LP Technical Diving Hoses ) thanks for your amazing video

[@DoktorBEN]

Well...I don’t really like them. Maybe I’m a bit old school but I stick to the rubber ones because Miflex are annoying when doing S-Drills and cause abrasion on the suit. Do you own miflex hoses?

[@juanpereira6258]

Hi Ben, I don't have any miflex hoses! However, I will replace the current hoses in my regulator! Miflex XT hoses are offering a good deal where I'm living now! They are cover to void any abrasion and also are positive buoyancy

[@DoktorBEN]

Ah ok... these ones! Think I have to make a review about these ones! Thanks for the idea!

[@DoktorBEN]

Good to hear that. I guess I buy some and do a review

[@javierfranzoni4684]

Hey man! Could you please explain the difference between concave and convex steel tanks? I mean, obviously the shape of the bottom is different, but what are the advantages/ disadvantages of each one? If I get one model for twinsets, can I use that for sidemount too?

[@DoktorBEN]

Well, concave ones are mostly a bit more foot-heavy. Convex over at overall mostly a bit lighter. Yes you can use them principally for sidemount.

[@karlisheimrats4376]

Hey, Ben! Thank you for the video, just wanted to ask if you could please specify why you recomend using double outlet on a single 12L tank and why would you use two 1stages on a single tank anyway?

[@DoktorBEN]

Because, if one fails and you no spare. The oring that most likely fails is the one on the SPG or right at the first stage. In that case, you lose all your gas pretty quickly. With two stages on different valves, you can close one and use the other for a safe ascent. If you have just one valve…there are no other options than gas sharing with your buddy, which is higher risk than just using your backup regulator.

[@karlisheimrats4376]

@@DoktorBEN Ok, thank you for clarifying that, I definitely have to think how to minimise failure points on my gear

[@DoktorBEN]

Yeah that’s always good. However, sometimes it’s not obvious, which the failure points really are.

[@lutam921]

I enjoy your videos! However, I am afraid I won't follow the recommandation of doing the GUE-F with single tank dual outlet. As a beginner, I chose to do the GUE-f in single tank because I don't have training for doubles yet and prefer to minimize the amount of new things to learn in one course. I also plan to own all my equipment except the tank and my impression is that a dual outlet is a rare specie to rent. In a near future, I'll progress to double tanks and I'll definitely use double first stages. When beginning diving, there's so many interdependencies between equipment, training requirements and instructors advices. Making good choices is far from obvious.

[@DoktorBEN]

That’s true. If it’s rare depends on where you are in the world. But I think going for doubles will be the best choice

[@jannikflk9846]

hi ben, is it possible to do the class in a sidemount configuration?

[@DoktorBEN]

No, the Fundamentals Class is always in backmount config. However, GUE offers a cave sidemount class, if you are interested in sidemount.

[@carlgosselin]

On your video, you show a single tank with a double regulator valve. I typically dive with a double configuration but I would like to find such a tank valve for when I travel and doubles are not available (ie Liveaboards) Can you suggest a valve and supplier ? Thx!!

[@DoktorBEN]

This one is from BtS. Where are you from?

[@carlgosselin]

@@DoktorBEN Canada 🇨🇦

[@DoktorBEN]

@@carlgosselin Well, I don‘t know exactly who sells these in Canada, but there is a german supplier who makes these....I think they sell it worldwide. polaris-diving.com

[@MatVoss]

shouldn't inflation hoses/connectors be interchangeable betwee dry suit and wing?

[@DoktorBEN]

You mean that you can use the hose on both, inflator and dry suit inlet?

[@frankborelbach8938]

Hi Ben...über ein Video zur Minimum Gas Berechnung würde ich mich sehr freuen...Keep up the good work

[@DoktorBEN]

Kein Thema! Kann ich machen! 😄

[@frankborelbach8938]

@@DoktorBEN Super 👍👌

[@jessicad.605]

Hi Ben, ein Video über das auseinander bauen und wieder zusammen bauen einer D12 wäre cool.

[@DoktorBEN]

😂😂 aus sehr aktuellem Anlass nehme ich an! Ich schau was ich tun kann!

[@fred0]

Hello Ben, I have a question about regulators and cant find the answer anywhere, (maybe it's just obvious or stupid...) : Let say i want to train with twinset but my wallet is thin... so i m thinking of using 2 diffrent regulators. I have a nice one already: an aqualung legend that i would like to use as my main regulator (the one on my right) and for the other, i would buy a cheaper not balanced one like the mk2 with r195 (that is still a very solid regulator imho because it's "basic"). Would it still fit the GUE requirements ? Im not interested in doing very deep dives or extreme stuffs for now but would like to aim for a tech pass anyway (because why not?). Thanks for your answer.

[@DoktorBEN]

Well, the standards don‘t say anything about the general quality of regulators. Although it‘s advised to have regs in equal high quality. Look at this from another perspective: Having a good primary and a shitty backup means you breathe from the shitty regulator in case of an OOG scenario...

[@fred0]

@@DoktorBEN Thanks for the answer!

[@DoktorBEN]

@@fred0 you’re welcome!

[@jamjestlx]

Are Miflex hoses really lighter and smaller than a regular hose? I don't like them either but I would like to be as light as possible when traveling.

[@DoktorBEN]

Not smaller in terms of diameter but maybe slightly lighter.

[@jamjestlx]

@@DoktorBEN Thank You! ;)

[@markosalami2]

Hi Ben, have you tried kinking a rubber/miflex/miflex-XT hose? I tried this and even pressurised, miflex are surprisingly easy to kink enough to stop airflow. Surprisingly, modern rubber hoses are also super flexible and are easy to kink (compared to the older stiffer rubber hoses). There is one situation where I think this may be relevant- in a non-swivel first stage with the long hose coming out at the bottom of the first stage- in OOA situation, if the recipient of the long hose pulls away hard, it really could be possible I think to kink the hose where it is coming out from the first stage. Would like to know what your thoughts are for this. Of course it is irrelevant with a turret/swivel style first stage.

[@DoktorBEN]

Yes! I actually experience a real OOG situation with a buddy with a non-swivel first stage. It’s vital (literally) to check his routing especially when using this config

[@markosalami2]

@@DoktorBEN wow, was this from the long hose? If so, what do you think is the best option (other than buying a swivel first stage)? Hose protector perhaps at the first stage part of the hose!?

[@DoktorBEN]

No the backup during a valve drill. House protectors have the disadvantage that you cannot really see when the house is about to break due to aging. Best would be to have a good hose routing

[@alerod21]

I found better way to put first stage reg in single tank with chamber valve point down, better hose routing, not head touching reg and works better! Try

[@DoktorBEN]

Guess it depends on the reg. Do you have a picture?

[@alerod21]

@@DoktorBEN frogkickdiving.com/regulators-%7C-hose-routing

[@natasabracko5370]

I don't think that single tank double valve is good combination. Tank is front much heavier because of double regs and vents . It is heavy to work OOG practice (2 regs) because knobs are close together and interfere with 1'st stages and tank should be because of balance more back ( could be corrected with weights ) but with single 18l, 232 bar Faber tank , which is hell buoyant is that mission close to impossible.... be there and learn out NO GO only 1'st stage -OK

[@DoktorBEN]

If you dive cold water, you might need double first stages even on single tanks. However, a double tank is warmly recommended anyway! 😄

[@provuksmc6619]

wait... i cant just rent them?

[@DoktorBEN]

You can. Depends on where you are

[@africantwin173]

I like the vids, but paying € 700 + another f*ck*ng € 100 registration cost for a Basic GUE Fundamentals course is Ridicules. The very high course prices are scaring people away from GUE in the Netherlands. Atleast the Rec Divers .

[@DoktorBEN]

Thank you very much! But why is it ridiculous to pay 800 EUR for a high quality class?

[@africantwin173]

@@DoktorBEN Because you only get to learn a few basic tricks and Nothing more with GUE Fundamentals. Just like PADI. (Put another dollar in it). It's not that you get a private high class 1 to 1 training with normoxit blends and equipment, ore Learning to service equipment. In the beginning this GUE Fundamental course cost $410 usd and 60 bucks for the registration if i'm right. So prices have been going up good. Most Instructors didn't paid the full price for the courses. Just the registration fees and cost for equipment. This is all buddy friends work, like ill teach you this for a normal fee. I see this also with Innerspace explorers in Germany and with Padi instructors that are cashing some easy money. So why should i pay a huge amount off money for something basic . UTD essentials is also way cheaper than GUE. IANTD also. GUE is scaring REC divers Away because off the huge prices. The GUE registration and card doesn't mean much to me. All i want to do is learn a few tricks to dive safe. And that's not worth 800 euro for just trimming sessions in the local muddy lake. I will go for the unofficial way, and pay a instructor some cash without the 100 euro GUE registration and having a good day. Ore GUE reduces the pricing permanently for GUE Fundamentals Course to ensure that newcomers will keep coming. All The dive equipment i buy is from Diveinn in Spain. Saves me 21% while my local dealer doenst want to give me any discount. A pair off fins 100 euro incl shipping while the local dealer asking 130 euro plus 7 euro shipping. The diving community is dying, because dealers and diving organisations are having a monopoly position. Well i'm not playing that game. Just my 2 cents

[@DoktorBEN]

@@africantwin173 Guess you're missing the whole point on the class. In which year did you do your fundamentals class? IDropping the prices is the reason, why the industry is so screwed up nowadays...

[@starbuggle]

@@africantwin173 Diving safe isn't about learning tricks. It starts with the mentality (in GUE's case, the DIR philosophy), which then provides the rationale for all the things you learn in class (i.e. refined methods of propulsion, awareness of self/others/environment, rigorous pre/post-dive briefings, commitment to skills refinement etc etc) for planning and conducting a dive safely. Fundies is not just a class for trim, although there is a huge emphasis on buoyancy/trim throughout the class because you can't expect to progress on to harder things and greater taskloading if you don't have total control over these fundamentals. I don't think it's expensive considering the amount of class time (I did 10-12 hrs/day). After all, you are not shopping for a product; you are paying someone (instructor) for their time and help.

[@DoktorBEN]

And you don’t invest in someTHING, but I’m someONE (you…). It’s not like spending 700 for a new light that lasts maybe 5 years or so. This investment lasts for your whole life

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

Not a big fan of the "my way or the highway" presentation style. You're making it sound like having an AI computer is a bad thing and should be avoided at all cost.

[@DoktorBEN]

nah, one should only know that it only has a very limited use and brings in some additional risk…but I‘m the last person to tell anybody what to do. Everyone should make own decisions preferably based on well researched information.