What Can Citadel Contrast DO? - Paint Metallic Power Armour?

The next big question was about using Citadel Contrast to paint Metallic Power Armour (such as for Pre-Heresy Space Marines). I take a look at using the paints for this purpose for Alpha Legion, Salamangers, Thousand Sons and Blood Angels!
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[@DeltaHouseStudios]

I know they say a “thick” layer, but from watching other videos I think your going too think. I believe (from watching other videos) you’ll get better results by wiping away the raised areas instead of letting it pool, such as on the shoulders.

[@TheGreatDayne1983]

I’d love to see the black Templar contrast over leadbelcher I’d also like to see contrast on other metallic colors like gold

[@charlesschwimmer592]

Ive done black templar over leadbelcher... It looks like really dirty metal. If you're looking for shiny black armor, shine varnish over black is probably the way to go

[@TheGreatDayne1983]

Charles Schwimmer I’m thinking that dirty metal is perfect for Heresy Iron Hands.

[@charlesschwimmer592]

@@TheGreatDayne1983 its not, man. Im serious. It just kind of looks bad IMO. I dont have a pic on hand unfortunately but I did it on a singpe arm to test it out in my demo. It doesnt look good. I recommend basilicanum grey (i think thats what it's called) instead. The black just looks like splotchy oily gunk. But not in a good way.

[@Maladict]

@@charlesschwimmer592 Thanks for the heads up! I'm getting into painting a High Elf army and am looking to base several of the models with Leadbelcher. I've been considering using contrasts but I may just avoid it given that they seem to be so hit or miss (even for experienced painters as opposed to a starter like myself).

[@ggrayson785]

@Vfor Vriendetta Hey this was a tip I've been looking for. When you get to the "trick" part, are you suggesting say, leadbelcher base and gray/gray-blue dry brush across edges with black templar coat?

[@LJamesWorkshop]

Wish he didn’t let it pool as much

[@se7en00110111]

"Leaning tower of sprues" is pretty fantastic, given the one I have in the big bottom drawer of my current workspace.

[@Lord_Lambert]

I'd love to see what the contrast paints look like over mechanicus standard grey spray, for those of us who find it difficult to aquire spray paints (they don't ship overseas very easily)

[@MrVidma1]

Maybe with some medium and carefull apply it could be much better.

[@seriade]

Yea a 50 50 mix with medium may help

[@AtomicNik]

Great video! Probably wasn't mine specifically but this was one of my suggestions. Glad to know it won't replace my candy coat, but maybe it'll help touch up some of the messy spots.

[@Xn7000]

I read an early review from someone at the convention where they announced the line that spoke to someone at the show that had experimented with candy coating with the contrast paints. They reported that it worked better when they were thinned a bit rather than using them straight out of the bottle.

[@TheDrewker]

Another hint of how old those models are is that the right hand isn't attached to the gun (unless you went to the trouble of cutting each hand off, etc). In the box I got recently, the guns all have hands attached to them. If you're open to feedback, I would suggest slowing everything down just a little bit. I know you're just doing a quick test, not trying to win awards, but you might as well take a moment to make sure it's a decent test. When it's all pooled an inconsistent and not fully dry, it doesn't show us much. What I'm gonna try when my stuff shows up is to mix some contrast + medium + metallic paint to see how that looks.

[@seriade]

Seen another channel where he cut the contrast and ran it through the airbrush it changes how the paint works and the candying gets intense.

[@Rhaenday]

I'd love to see how Witch Elf hair looks using only contrast paint, especially curious how Apothecary White looks

[@oliverpritchardjones3901]

Really really want to see grey knights done with contrast as it is a kill team I want to try

[@sergejsbogdanovs490]

As a base to be improved - that's not bad. If You are consistent and careful theese paints eliminate several steps of highlight. I ordered full range, which will arrive next week - can't wait to start experimenting. Thanks for the demo!

[@LtCdrRoyFokker]

Thanks for covering this. I was one of the folks who asked about this yesterday so appreciate the video response. I'm not really impressed with the results though so won't be using the technique as an alternative (I don't own an airbrush). I think using a metallic blue plus washes instead might be the better choice for what I'm going for.

[@BarringtonDailey]

Try the "clear" paints from Tamiya. They provide an almost perfect metallic "car spray" effect - you just brush them over a silver, it looks much better than this demo.

[@LtCdrRoyFokker]

@@BarringtonDailey Thanks. I'll see if my local Hobby Lobby or Michael's carry them.

[@Spekd]

Candy colour intensity will look good for custodians shoulder guards.

[@heretic9984]

Could you cover how the golds will work or how to do them for custodes or the stormcast?

[@subaveragejoe2]

Gold undercoats? Because there's no gold contrast paints.

[@TheRainman614]

I'd like to see some of the metallic effects over gold too.

[@rickpetersen5866]

Bright silver undercoat with Iyanden Yellow contrast makes a nice gold.

[@SpannSr1970]

Told ya it would work for Alpha Legion! And hail the great old ones!

[@Trazynn]

Do you take requests? Just two marines, wraithbone and grey, both coated in apothecary white. Nothing else.

[@gealgain2420]

for dark angels, get a medium to light green color as a base and use black templar over the top of it.

[@mattbrown51287]

Love to see an example on an ironjaws model, see the paint across flesh or fur

[@Vanastar]

If you wanted to show how good these can look, why did you rush the paintjob and not clean up pooling as you went?

[@MimesAgainstHunmanity]

This is one of the first things I tried with the contrast paints and except for the orange, I liked the results. The orange seemed really dark and off color, any tips to get orange right? I used Iron Hands as the base.

[@marcoscastellanos4114]

I remember that battle report. I still have that White Dwarf! Waaagh!!!

[@Michaelkayslay]

So basically contrast paints are like water paints? Looks like a wash ?

[@Malygon]

Good choice not picking Aethermatic Blue, I tested it myself and you don't really get any coverage. Just some blue tinted recesses.

[@deathlegionair]

Yeah Aethermatic is for matte paints to make a ghostly appearance, and that is it. It only appears in I believe two of the colors on Citadel color app for usage and you use Grey seer with it surprisingly.

[@ramza813]

Which read over which primer do you think looks close to mephiston Red straight from the pot? I'm looking to finish off my blood angels and move on to another Army :-)

[@BarringtonDailey]

You can prime with a silver 5 dollar rattlecan. I think airbrush setups are 500-1000 USD all in with compressor and extractor (assuming you don't want to breath metal particles).

[@subaveragejoe2]

Nowhere near that much unless you go SUPER high end. I got my whole setup for 140.

[@lardidar-lewismoorby2702]

I love you Ash but those don't do you or the product any favors, very poor results.

[@Tatti12321]

The more undulated the surface the better it seems, but aren't space marines like 50% of the sales?

[@wraithdino1217]

Im not an expert on paints but it seems like a you're putting it on pretty heavy, have you tried not putting an inch of paint on the armor?

[@wraithdino1217]

maybe wipe some off the brush?

[@samuelsanfratello4617]

Lol.... they do have a Contrast Medium to thin contrast paints. Never hurts to thin paints!

[@rickyrose1908]

Can you try the black contrast paint over a silver base coat please? I'm looking to make some Slaneesh orentied black legion.

[@NiftyVT]

If you haven't heard yet. . . The FW paints are being released into the standard GW paint line!!!

[@davidnewman4678]

What? When? Details please

[@NiftyVT]

@@davidnewman4678 www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/02/pre-order-next-week-contrast-and-more/

[@carldanescd]

Inks used to do this in the 90's....just as well...when the pots were bigger...and cost £1.50 !!!!!

[@Smilomaniac]

A lot of those were very glossy though, whereas all three of these ended up matte. At least the ones I still have from the early 00's are glossy.

[@TheRainman614]

No they were really glossy, especially if it pooled - I used the blue for my praetorian and Mordian army back in 1999ish. You can still get the inks in the US from Michael's (with online coupons). It's about $7 per jar but it's about 8-10 times bigger than the old containers.

[@heldaneurbanus5135]

As I watch this video painting a metal (yes metal) Wraithlord I bought on a my one and only trip to Warhammer World, Nottingham in 2004. I think those space marines need to sit in a box a while longer before painting. ;p

[@nnich19]

I think you could have just dunked them in a bucket of contrast paint for this same effect.

[@ArchangelMiniatureGaming]

Leadbelcher rattlecan? Or I think army painter makes a nice mithril rattlecan. Might make it worth it?

[@wheresyourcave3412]

How would the contast paints work for the datk angels Death wing terminators/knights

[@emperorjames794]

This makes the third video I've watched of yours, very interesting stuff to see the paints in action in a more "real world" scenario and not in GW's studio. Question, what can I do with an Iron Warriors army with the new contrast paints?

[@RedPilgrim.]

Hmmm, after this. Im pretty sure classic is the way to go.

[@Buiserd]

I think he would've gotten a better result by just pouring it on straight from the pot...

[@PaStef37]

Could have let them dry completely before showing them, here we don't get the real result.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I mean they’re 99% dry mate. A bit of pooled stuff isn’t going to change the result.

[@PaStef37]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Indeed but it would be interesting to see if that pooled stuff will create something. But maybe you can just tell us here, since it must have dried by now I guess?

[@wraithdino1217]

@@PaStef37 i mean theres only so far the paint can go so id say the more you put on the bigger the dark areas are going to be, I feel like half as much paint applied in the video would be a decent if not still a little too much amount to have a subtle and not so in your face and detail masking bit of contrast

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

Alpha legion guy worked best, but still not ideal, but if someone doesn't have an airbrush they could use a metallic pray paint plus this stuff.

[@Tann_Solo]

In my opinion, that looks terrible... I don’t think there’s any reason to use these paints for colored metallic, unless you had these paints anyway and airbrushed em. The new version of the old FW clears will probably be the way to go. If not, I’d definitely stick to badger ghost tints or tamiya clears.

[@Brissebrajan]

less contrast paint, and a few layers instead.

[@raindropproduction8707]

Hey guys just cause he looks like an American Eagle shopping Viking with a 200$ hair cut is no reason to throw shade! So much hate damn. XD Ty for the alpha stuff sick of seeing people paint fists and angels with it. When you paint something real cute maybe bring the camera up a peg so your hand doesn't obscure it so much (should also fix that auto focus shenanigans). Keep up the cool content!

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Fun fact; I’ve never spent more than $25 on a haircut... including the $5 tip. Lol

[@RylanStorm]

Not impressed. That pooling can now only be fixed by printing the whole leg silver and replying the contrast.

[@jeansteeler8831]

Just as I thought, shit painters would still be shit painters with this magical paint.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Hahahahaha

[@jeansteeler8831]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Not trying to offend anyone or shit talking you, but if people think the contrast paint is some magical construct that can turn a lousy job into a advertised-as-"battle-ready" result, they are kidding themselves. Sure, I welcome the idea of inks and glazes on Zenithal highlighted models to make painting easier and faster, but some care has to be put into it. You have to watch out for intense pooling in the lower areas of the model and be neat about it after the base coat since it'll be a chore to cover up any mistakes with contrast paint. It's a great tool but just saying it's not as magical as advertised. BTW, try using red contrast paint on brass base(Balthatsar Gold) , it'll have a better metallic red finish than on silver.

[@ivandeoz]

not gonna lie, looks quite bad.

[@Dostupnejmeno]

ivan De leon Look here for a nice SM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYS1kKuImqaErqM

[@jasongrundy1717]

The only thing that has looked good was the infinity models. Space marines all look absolutely terrible.

[@Dostupnejmeno]

Jason Grundy Problem is he cannot paint very well. Look here, perfectly fine SM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYS1kKuImqaErqM

[@Dostupnejmeno]

Christian Adams The way to be a jerk is to call other people jerks for no reason. Anyway, let me rephrase: yes he can paint. Tabletop level. Which means he doesn’t have the skills to show how new paints work. Should a good painter use these paints over metalic surface, it would look much better.

[@BarringtonDailey]

​@@jasongrundy1717 The point everyone is missing is that these are *not* paint tutorials. They are just tech demos of the so called "contrast" system. The instructions tell people to put it on super thick; I saw some pros do their first contrast minis, and they looked terrible since they could not believe how thick you needed to do it. Others have put it on too thick since how thick is thick exactly? @Storva, the system is aimed at beginner painters so you should not need a "pro" to use it - defeats the entire object.

[@Twi656]

Akhelian green would probably be better for AL

[@TheRainman614]

My thoughts too

[@justinreed679]

Masterblaster runs barter town!

[@TheSoldm92001]

Man you are so careful to not bad mouth GW, when you ultimately admit the airbrushing will look better. This paint is good for novitiate painters. It isnt the holy grail, but it is fine to be honest. It is okay.

[@Phoenikuz]

Man, the level of vitriol people spew at you for doing them a favor! Keep up the very good work Ash, I love to see your painting tips!

[@crazymaner2003]

Looks like someone screwed up their models with a crappy, haphazard wash.

[@michaelglenister424]

Looks bad because it’s pooled up and created dark spots

[@loganlough6510]

That looks really bad I understand this is starting army thing but man this is rough

[@mkaali]

What is it with these tutorials that they don't let the paint dry properly... ffs, why make a video at all, if you are not going to show the FINAL result

[@TheRaven-WingGaming]

Dude, I get that it's Contrast paints, but by the Gods, your paint is WAY too thick. Thin it at least a little bit.

[@Brootal666]

Have to say quality looks poor, I saw what the local GW store did as samples and they were even worse. Not impressed by the paints at all.

[@alcovitch]

Yeah. These paints are getting crazy hype. Every single model i've seen painted with these look terrible. I picked up some paints yesterday from my local GW store and they were pushing the Contrast paints hard. Trying to get me to test them and tell me how amazing they are. I was mostly pointing out how stupid it was instead they were cutting the Glaze paints.

[@NecronNb]

Contrast paints just look awful

[@CaptainCoolpants101]

Damn, these look horrible. Like baaad

[@starnostras]

The only thing I learned from this video, was that you couldn't even be bothered to let the results dry let alone apply with any actual care. This test told me nothing. Enjoy your 20000+ views but please take a look at what you're doing.