Guess Every Tour de France Bike in 2024 | The NERO Show Ep. 91

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Guess the bikes of the 2024 Tour de France, Jesse challenges Chris to name the bikes of the tour with just the silhouette. A huge week one of the Tour wrap up with new Specialised S-Works shoes spotted on Remco Evanapoel, Jasper Stuyven regrets the move to a Gen 8 TREK Madone, and Mark Cavendish breaks Eddy Merckx record .
A Chinese brand looks to enter the world tour and we discuss Jesse's own training for the rest of 2024.
Chapters
00:00 intro
00:29 Guess The TDF Bike
08:33 Gravel Stages In Grand Tours
13:48 Concussion Test Fails
16:15 New S-Works Shoes
18:22 Giant Propel Paint Jobs
20:54 Stuyven Regrets Gen 8 Madone
23:08 Favero Assioma MX Pedal Review
30:28 Cav Breaks The Record
37:52 Chinese Brand Enters World Tour
45:37 Is Jonas On Tubulars
48:58 Subscriber Questions
1:03:32 Jesse's Training Plan
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[@petersouthernboy6327]

I thought the gravel stage was the most interesting stage I’ve seen to date as a spectator. I loved it. More !

[@markr6383]

Anything that makes grand tour racing more like the classics instead of an FTP test up a mountain is great.

[@ExplorinDoranRBrown]

They also have FTP Test solo time trials!

[@zig3056]

I agree. Great exciting stage. I also think Jesse's concerns about weather are a non-issue. Gravel is generally more stable and predictable when wet, unlike cobbles. Though the riders will get covered in it by the end of the stage.

[@joekawasaki]

The gravel stages make sense to me. In the early days of the tour most of the roads were barely paved!

[@matthewmccullagh6023]

Absolute stinker for Chris here😂

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Not my finest moment 😂

[@aaalllmmmn]

I really enjoy when Jessie breaks down his training.

[@ShawnIsBatman]

Congratulations on the pickup of the Favero sponsorship! I always find reviews of any of the Favero pedals to be a bit curious....what is there to say about a product that works perfectly and is the standard by which every other product in the field is compared? I am a very satisfied Favero road pedal user. I would not ever consider running anything else.

[@joelecho]

The cycling moment that lives forever in my mind is stage 11 of the '22 tour, when Jonas and Primoz are giving Pog 1-2 attacks with hours left in the stage. Incredible.

[@terrydunn6363]

How Refreshing to see 2 guys on an inside podcast that don't find the need to wear a baseball cap. Oh and I enjoy the show guys. Well done.

[@MacLeanWright]

Great pod. Loved the gravel stage I thought it was super interesting, next time would be great with a few hills to spice it up, but a gravel stage helps break up the monotony of endless boring sprint stages. Definitely don't want to see "chunky" gravel, but some light gravel is cool. No cobble stages in the tour please. Love that Favero is supporting you guys, you deserve it. Love when Jessie talks about his training too. Thanks!

[@nigelwilkinson-xg9us]

Don’t forget Le Tour used to be mainly gravel once upon a time, so why not have a nod to the past.

[@mortigard]

That game was way harder than I thought it was going to be...Chris kicked my butt! 😂

[@johnbain7191]

Stannard winning against the three QS hitters is definitely in my top 10 most memorable cycling moments.

[@chris_gb_]

re Remco's shoes: did you watch Alex Dowsett's wind tunnel testing series? Laces more aero than Boas plus plenty of other surprise results. The Specialized TT helmet is built specifically for Remco, his jersey sleeves are very short because unlike most people that works better for him etc. so you have to assume they optimised shoes in the wind tunnel and every other little detail they could.

[@jonathanz9889]

Odd thing is the TT5 that Remco actually wears has the shorter visor so it doesn't touch his hands. I own the mass market one and find the long visor getting in the way too

[@datadrivendave]

I continue to be a little disappointed that Dowsett didn't test any fully velcro shoes. It was all boa vs laces. (But my disappointment comes from being a triathlete who needs quick shoe changes)

[@redkeyspoke]

​@@datadrivendaveI seem to remember him testing some Tri or track shoes with the flaps, and them being slower even than Boas.

[@xAudiolith]

Dowsett is a paid shill. Hard to take him serious

[@jackal6234]

So imma buy some laces type of cleats shoes just like the DMT Krsl right now since its more aero huh?

[@dollabillwill415]

I realized after today's tour stage that chris looks exactly like a shorter jasper philipsen

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Sorry gotta double post this week (again). Jasper did a two part video tour of the winspace factory a week or two back. I thought it was really interesting to see.

[@JoelBarker-ws6bc]

I'm with JC on that Stannard win. That was simply awesome. Quickstep threw everything at him and he towelled him up. A great win.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Ok, I take it back, there are 2 of you 😂

[@granteikelboom8753]

100% will remember Stannard's Omloop win over Cav's 35th TdF bunch sprint win!

[@Eirikkinserdal]

+1 for wanting road version of the assioma pro already!

[@BoyMeetsMountain]

On the Aero Bike discussion, the Cannondale SSEVO4 lab71 tests faster than the SL8 with it's hidden cables, and is a hair heavier. Plus you can put whatever fancy bars you want on it. You can run the Lab71, put CRW wheels and a Farsports bar on it, GP5000TT rear and Aero111 Front tire, and you'd be right near the UCI limit for a bike faster in the wind than an SL8. Little less comfy than the sl8, yes, but technically the question didn't come from that. Also, I was the roadsuit you guys shipped to Massachusetts a couple weeks back, fits great!

[@philippannawitt3606]

Re the Assiomas, just ordered them 2 days ago, great to hear you rate them. I ride gravel shoes and mtb pedals on all my bikes, mostly so I can combine clipless and flats on my training/ commuter bike. Looking forward to using these.

[@robertlight2370]

Me too - I ride MTB pedals on all my bikes, and I'm picking up my rebuilt road bike with the Assiomas next week. I'm upgrading my groupset and moved from a Stages LHS power meter. Can't wait!

[@gregbrown3764]

32:55 Andy Schleck's 70km raid on the Galibier in the 2011 Tour.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Oh yeh! That’s a banger

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

Cadel pulling him back up Galibier was my no.1. No one working and he one by one dropped them.

[@jfreck]

Training content > aero conversation content

[@MrJaycobsen]

Scott foil fits the aero bike description, you can change the cockpit there to a different brand if you like. Edit: I see you mention it now :D

[@Eugeneizzy]

Love the training and gravel talk!

[@10100110101]

Watching with my wife who know nothing about cycling says “so what, he’s like John Candy in Cool Runnings” re Vinokourov backing Cavendish 😂

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

HAHA!! I would argue your wife if the first person to compare Vinakourov to John Candy … ever 😅 #feeltherhythm

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

They need to introduce a gravel Jersey. Maglia Flannel.

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Couple of editing mistakes when revealing the blacked out bikes.

[@Nairezs]

To help the editor, the orbea orca aero was shown before its blacked out version

[@markbarnard7219]

Another excellent delivery lads. Enjoying these longer chats you are putting out.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@bduke2547]

Greatest pro racing moment - Mathew Hayman winning Paris Roubaix - a domestique does it on his own!

[@mortigard]

Thank you for talking about the lack of concussion protocols being followed in the gravel stage! Vlasov should not have been allowed back on the bike without having someone checking him over. It's even more frustrating that he was later checked by a doctor and they didn't pull him either.

[@rayF4rio]

I agree 100%. I would also add that the Specialized frameset needs to be tested and analyzed for strength by the UCI. I saw the crash and the frame damage indicates poor design or material quality issues. If I owned an SWorks8 I would be concerned. Or the team is getting special carbon layups, which I believe is a breach of UCI rules.

[@garrettchurchey]

Not to mention riding with a fractured ankle. I can’t imagine that pain while pedaling.

[@ryangolder705]

Studio looking great fellahs!!

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks Ryan, we are going to try a few things over the next few weeks. See if we can level up a bit

[@vaguepast]

Regarding the black part around the ankle on a white shoe: I speak from experience that if you use white fabric there, it will turn yellow from sweat. Which looks much worse.

[@82vitt]

Doesn't happen on Specialized shoes though in my experience. I have got a pair of Ares in all white with fabric at the ankle still white after a year, but my s-works 7 have a faux leather like material in that area, which also remains white. Well, it does get only ever slightly greyish from road dust after a while, but defo not yellow from sweat.

[@vaguepast]

@@82vitt happened to my Fizik Tempos. Maybe Specialized uses better fabrics.

[@pinktights]

Stannard's win _was_ iconic. Quite agree with JC!

[@AveragestCyclist]

Bashing cobbles with a Paris-Roubaix poster on the set, ffs 😆

[@MaxwellPowers666]

Bashing cobble in the tour. Not generally. Pretty stupid comment, javier

[@skibmbp]

How do you define rehabilitated x-dopper? It seems like, viticorav no, Lance no, Hincapy yes, Vauters yes, Valvarde not talked about, Jens got away with it. None of it makes sense to me…and the list goes on…

[@haydenjames1391]

mercx / Pantani / Contador

[@bandy128]

Why does Vinokourov leave a sour taste? Just cause he got caught? Mauro Gianetti and Matzin Fernandez, current managers at Team UAE have both been managers and DS of some the dirtiest teams in the 2000's. Steven De Jongh is a DS at Lidl Trek. As already stated, no one speaks out about Valverde either. Why do some ex pros who were caught doping not sit right with people when others get a free pass?

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Indurain!

[@82vitt]

How about Vino kicking Paolini from Katusha for doping.

[@alexanderpolta]

Aero, light, bring your own handlebars? Felt AR FRD. 204w rim, similar disc, can clear 30mm-34mm depending on the model year.

[@jonathanz9889]

Btw to say XDS is a factory is akin to calling Giant just a factory. They are a huge brand in china and dominate the 500USD road bike market. I live in Beijing currently, happy to take any other questions on the Chinese scene

[@speakfuco]

yes, all types of bikes and accessories. I live in Guangdong and they are everywhere.

[@faisalalsaiful3838]

what groupset the 500 usd bikes come with?

[@jonathanz9889]

@@faisalalsaiful3838 mid range L-TWOO 20 speed mechanical with these weird semi hydraulic brakes

[@Simonewhitesim-1music]

They have had family bikes here in Australia for years.

[@jacobh7319]

Were you surprised Pogacar lost the sprint? When I was watching, idk, there was almost like an aura about Vingegaard, him clawing towards Pogacar and holding onto him just felt like it was meant for him to win today’s stage. The post-stage interview got me emotional too

[@markhall6026]

True he rode very well

[@BikeRacingWithoutMercy]

Cheers Jesse 🙏 - I now have a new 4 hour per week dream training plan 😇👌

[@Dustydayzz]

a bit of an additional info. on XDS. if you were looking for a bike shop in china, you are more likely to run into a GIANT, MERIDA or XDS in that order by popularity.

[@pantster9855]

The black and white s works shoes are traditional colourway for the development shoes. It’s advertising They did the same with Cav white special edition years ago. His bike had black logos but the retail ones were white on white

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

Not to knock the pedals but 4iiii cranks are a reliable superlight option. The lightest option for adding power.

[@markojanka]

Orbea Orca Aero M20I with ultegra comes with separate handlebar/stem combo, it is easy to swap lengths

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Video of Vlasov: yes he probably had a concussion, however the stumbling was more probably because of his foot position on the grass/road transition and that he broke his ankle.

[@justsomedude7556]

I do not think Stuyven results would have been any difference with the Gen 7, I believe he was in a headwind by himself and 1 guy versus 10 coming full power , not going to happen. Also Stuyven is a pretty big guy, so he is less aero than most of the other guys.

[@gregmorrison7320]

Yeah these guys always seem to think the minute differences in the wind tunnel results in massive gains 😂

[@morrisizing]

I would say the Stork Aerfast 5 is definitely an aero-bike. Agree the Simplon seems a bike difficult to source and proprietary stem & bars is a worry - though the guy the won 1 of the US Tulsa crits seemed to be running a normal stem with narrow bars on his. You can run a standard stem on a SystemSix as Have one with narrow bars, but Cannondale seems to have stopped production. The Ribble has a standard steer tube too & looks like a SystemSix on steroids though the BB is higher. The Dare looks interesting & I expect that the Van Rysel prototype will be descent as I expect it will include Swissside aero input (like the Simplon).

[@chillipepper83]

subscriber questions... best aero bike money can buy (aero, lightweight, can change bar/stem options) - Pinarello Dogma F?

[@joshualancekemp]

I got 1 out of 19. The stress riser created by Trek is a wonderment to me. In another life I designed machinery in a manner that avoided stress risers..

[@pierrex3226]

Agreed, but plenty of people love it, including some of my friends. Absurd, yet sells.

[@joshualancekemp]

@@pierrex3226 I have a 2011 Madone 6.9 that I absolutely love so I am interested in their new designs. I have no doubt they have rigorously tested and FEA’d every molecule . .. I’d ride a new one, no question. It’s just an oddity to me. Pedal On! 🚴🏼

[@imranwahid11]

Jessie, very excited to hear you are doing Amy's Gran Fondo. I'm a newbie cyclist and an absolute 'super' MAMIL. I was laughing when you said the first climb is a 20 mins effort. I am doing all sort of calculation and I would be happy if I can finish this climb in 70 mins. My only target is to finish this event within 7hr 30min time cut. 😂 It will be fun to hear your post event episode.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Sounds great mate, neither Jessie or I have done the event, really looking forward to it.

[@neilmckenna236]

You guys never mentioned the Cannondale S6E. It's more aero and faster than the sl8, only a couple of watts slower than the canyon. It's light and fast!

[@neilmckenna236]

The S6E is faster than the Scott 😅

[@mattdavis855]

I'm amazed Chris didn't get the Giant with those ridiculous bottle cages

[@philippannawitt3606]

I’ve watched The Move a few times. Of 30 minutes it’s 10 minutes of Lance reading ads for performance enhancing substances - which I find hilarious.

[@stickler6312]

Skip through the ads, not hard. Non drug related supplements are the norm for any athlete.

[@philippannawitt3606]

Thanks for all the advice. I will still find it funny if it’s all the same to you 😊

[@MJHayward]

Best aero bike 2024? I reckon it’s my 2019 rim brake Trek Madone SLR8 built up with Shim DA 12sp and Enve SES 4.5 wheels. Weighs 7.3kg all in and you can run any bar/stem combo you like. 🔥

[@leslie7922]

Is it my speaker or is the audio reverberating

[@MaxwellPowers666]

The answer to all of your questions: It's just you

[@jubeman]

there were a few drop outs / fade outs. so not just you. the other dude is a w ending in anchor

[@mr.z2618]

Im happy I recognised my own propel, uff need to say all bikes looks so similar this days.

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

Got them all apart from the v4rs thinking it was a scott addict. And wasn't sure about the last.

[@pigupigu]

Shows how boring pogs bike is

[@melbexdeleon8951]

S5 allows a separate handlebar and stem, they have an adapter for it

[@mr.z2618]

I did quick check. Giant Propel adv pro 0, weight 7.6kg (Giant Japanese website). Canyon aerod cf slx8 7.79kg (from Canyon EU website). So how Giant is to heavy compared to Canyon????

[@johncoates6039]

Has your magazine done aero testing in the Tavelo arow?

[@comeridewithmeAE]

Lance Armstrong is a product of his environment more than anything else. Was it right or sportsman like? Absolutely not, but it is understandable. We need to allow for people to change and grow. If he became the DS or something for a current team, I do not think there would be anything underhanded or shady about what they would be doing.

[@pierrex3226]

He viciously attacked people who questioned him, lying blatantly. It's very different from being a silent cog in the machine

[@bendardania]

Somehow I missed the Colnogo, I thought it was ultimate. Bianchi was a little tricky but got it. So 95% accurate :). A little better than Chris…😎

[@richardggeorge]

Regarding Vinokourov, I think that's a bit harsh. Whilst I am certainly not a fan, I think most people now accept that during the time he was riding (90's and 00's) that a significant portion of the peleton were riding with additional supplementation and were only detected when the made a mistake (too much, unlucky with random testers etc)

[@out_spocken]

If you can't finish a stage you can't finish a stage. I'm happy for it to be that the rider gets driven to join the riders when the crash happened to ensure a full check is done... but there needs to be limits. Say within 5-10km maybe? If you crash in the first 5km of a 200km ride, have the day off and then come back a day later...even if you were concussed...you have a HUGE advantage being fresher. Especially if it's a mountain stage. All for rider safety...not at all interested in riders being able to skip a stage. Crashes are part of the race after all.

[@jorisgrijseels4960]

I think Tim Declercq could have won the gravel stage if he had been on the Gen 7 Madone (provided that he would have started oc)

[@apsbentom]

Supersix 😮

[@siegfriedpfeifer1379]

The fact I got all the bikes 100% Right 💯😂

[@redfixfive]

once again the Tour "gravel" stage like Strada Bianchi proves you don't need a "gravel" bike LOL #spendmymoney

[@gregmorrison7320]

Those gravel roads are nothing like our gravel roads.

[@dustyhoods]

I'm counting down till the 100th episode

[@Popcorn_Rider]

1:12:33 Is C Miller riding a Trek?

[@stefanpp6124]

Best aero bike ? Giant Propel SL . No competition.

[@uknowbass]

If you put the Assioma pedals in transport mode to save the battery, you CANNOT take it out for measurements without the chargers! Otherwise I LOVE the mx pedals

[@_gregvalencia]

In regards to the agile, I've been waiting for a longer term review since the bike was announced. I might be in the minority because I plan on building up a bike from the frame up when the time comes. I like the idea of being able to get exactly what i want as far as handlebars width and crank length. I think the problem is that people don't care about a first look anymore. We know Winspace is going to send a frame and the packaging will be nice. A first ride impression isn't that helpful compared to a long term review like what Chris is doing with the TCR where we can get some feedback about how it rides with various wheels, situations, etc

[@matkrek]

Exactly why I built up a Winspace T1550

[@_gregvalencia]

@@matkrek the t1550 gen 2 is looking nice with the t47 bottom bracket. The only thing is the color options look so bad unless you want plain black or white

[@ralvesco]

41:30 jayco, UAE, Movistar, etc tem diversos governos metidos no ciclismo já…

[@dustyhoods]

27:54 Can anyone comment on one sided and two sides? What is the difference?

[@MaxwellPowers666]

The S-Works shoe looks like a Bont.

[@boc-tonysyklist2145]

Cobbles and gravel... Stop it! It´s 2024 for crying out loud.

[@markhebden1052]

It's official, even "experts" cant tell the bikes apart. 🙂

[@ryan_coleman]

Will there be photo ops with Jesse at Amy’s?

[@tomnankivell8808]

The decor is still a bit monochrome and the Paris-Roubaix poster is crooked.

[@lizhengzhang]

what abt new factor aero bike?

[@roeland_st]

I knew everything untill we got to the enve bike.

[@mat_from_ballarat]

The best* aero bike money can buy? The Madonda! Just ask Trek. (*Assuming you ride at 200w)

[@paulprottey6950]

Those shoes look like they are made 15 years ago and for beginners

[@pgreenwood6489]

my cycling moments - hayman paris-roubaux - MVP Amstel gold 2019 - froome and sagan break - froome long range attack at giro - cadel fight back TDF 2011 stage 18? - Tom Pidcock descending

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

That is a solid list

[@scorpionbikewheels1308]

If you did the silhouette test with bikes from the 80s they would look the same. Legs get the job done not bikes. Cab. Won and lost many stages on different bikes, made no difference

[@johnnowlan4768]

7/19 😂

[@suliom2258]

Ahhh that premium feature of being able to play the show in a small window in the background whilst using other apps is no longer active. 😢

[@ciprian7]

Did'n't Jonas use the R5 today?

[@witepa]

"best price money can buy" = "price is not a consideration"

[@HoshinoMirai]

XDS has been in the business for quite some time, and they appeared around the same time as ZGL and Kung, so a little after Quick. They weren't received well back then in China because of their generic designs, rather poor qualities, and uninspiring or even hideous brand name (depending on your name). But it seems like they have survived long enough in the lower tier market to finally take the big step upward, and what a step it was. Though the news have been leaked on Chinese social media since the beginning of the year, actually seeing it being publicly talked about is still pretty surreal

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

Do you think that some of those massive review numbers were...click farmed?

[@robertwhyte3435]

You should have thrown your China build in there.

[@10ktube]

I'm okay with a true gravel stage existing, if it's in fact truly gravel, not a road race with some gravel sectors in it. Reason being, it's a game of not flatting on their setup now. If you make the day a true gravel day, now we have people on gravel bikes, or at least tires with some hope of surviving. Not luck. If you put a rally section, 500m long, on an F1 track, people would go nuts and say it's dumb and I'd agree. If the gravel stage has 10 miles of road on it, but the rest is dirt/gravel/cobbles, and someone goes I'm going to run road tires for an advantage there, go nuts but dumb idea most likely. Since it's a job for these riders, at least make it possible for them to do it, not HOPE they do it. I do agree that in this day and age, totally acceptable to throw in a gravel day if you want to win the TdF. Not okay with them doing it on thin race tires made for a totally different purpose but necessary for the day since it's 90% road or whatever it was. Be sensible.

[@highfived]

I need everyones help I hate disc brakes bikes if you could buy a rim brake road bike for racing which one would you buy i have heard the giant tcr one is a good and the specialised tarmac are also very good. Are there any other models old or new that are rim brake that I am missing Thanking all you super cycling legends in advance

[@gregmorrison7320]

Best just buy a 2017 Cannondale Synapse, at least it has clearance for 28-30mm tires that most rim brake road bikes will not. But even with 28mm tires I've still had races where stones got caught between tire and caliper and ruined my race, which is why I then moved to disc brake TCR.

[@highfived]

@@gregmorrison7320 I thought a synapse was a endurance bike

[@gregmorrison7320]

@@highfived Yes it is but that does not hold it back any, I have exactly the same fit as per my TCR, don't get hung up on labels. I raced it for years before getting my TCR and sold my previous Scott because it would only fit 25mm tires, I was running 28mm tires before it became vogue, they are just so much better.

[@highfived]

@@gregmorrison7320 thanks king

[@Lowcarsunited]

Cube

[@ashcameron7677]

The audio quality isn't going to cut it for next years TDF unchained either 😂 poor Chris.

[@whatsuphonkycat]

R5>

[@lizhengzhang]

remco might lose ten minute in a high mountain and second day go in breakway and destroy whole peloton and wear yellow jersy, cool story

[@matthewbenger8355]

I think Stuyvens attack was stupid. I don't know why he attacked, out of that group I would have backed him or Turgis in a sprint against any of them...

[@BarePotato]

28:59 Favero Assioma PRO MX-2 on their website clearly shows 11.2mm is pedal stack height. So including cleat it is 18.2mm. Pedal & Cleat stack heights are, XTR is 15.5mm, SPD-SL 14.6mm, Speedplay is 11.5mm (8.5mm for 4hole). So if you usually use SPD-SL on road, you need to raise saddle by 4-5mm. I purchased PRO MX-2 but on road I use Speedplay so needed to raise almost 1cm so I stopped using PRO MX-2. I'm not pointing only to Chris, but I hate all these KZbinrs when they don't even measure/understand what stack height is and advertise as 11.2mm. They are promoting false economy. They show 11.2mm next to XTR's 15.5mm to mislead as if PRO MX-2 stack is lower. Only one I find so far did mention PRO MX-2 has higher stack than XTR is PeakTorque by the way.

[@pl4free]

if you feel 3mm as a normal cyclist you prob just need to do some stretching :)))

[@Theparadoxd7]

Wait wtf Jesse is only turning 30?