Guilliman's Rise FORESHADOWED During The Heresy

Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
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[@Aravaganthus]

Guilliman: Stop having me manage your biggest fuckups Emperor: You are my greatest tool

[@philosophichuman1507]

Lion after 1v1 a traitor primarch: Give me a challenge. Emperor: Wtf?

[@kostuvu3156]

yeaaa but horus as said here in the video horus is emps brightest star so horus would be like we have emperor at home hahah

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

Ah you are one of those... thinking the Emperor fucked up lol. Magnus fucked up everything, if the Heresy happened without Magnus, the Emperor would be right on track.

[@theconductor2969]

​@@bobbobertbobberton1073 not just him but everyone that liked his comment

[@galladegamer6950]

@@bobbobertbobberton1073 the heresy would have happened with or without magnus

[@vordinarvoidheart8600]

Rowboat "Blueberry" Girlyman is just that good at Stellaris.

[@comediccomrade5716]

You already know he’s the kind of guy to ACTUALLY FINISH STELLARIS GAMES

[@Adrian-Trivani]

Until the Lag Heresy electric boogaloo happens and he has to crack some planets to stave off the great enemy.

[@tuachixiong5232]

That is THE MOST perfect description for his abilities.

[@CorvusTheNerd]

Bro Rub-me-off Gorrilla-man is my Stellaris Spirit animal.

[@timecorn]

Now the xenophobia makes sence. All those hybrid pops lag so much lategame...

[@Subject35th]

"You bear the Emperor's face Logar" Conraz and Corvus: right~

[@zeonthefox]

no they have his hair

[@Subject35th]

@@zeonthefox yeah, if i remember correctly, the emperor from... middle east ? And he kinda tan too. But still Logar not look like him at all

[@garox5124]

@@Subject35th He was born in anatolia during the bronze age

[@Interrobang212]

​@@Subject35thas someone else pointed out, bronze age Anatolia, which would have been genetically much different to modern day Turkey. If anything he'd be closer to Greek.

[@Fuerto203]

​@@Subject35th that's because of artists interpretation and inconsistencies. Canonically speaking, Lorgar's face is the closest of the primarchs to the emperor

[@thearchives7398]

Knowing How similar the emperor and Guilliman are in spirit and mind; I wonder if Guillaman being harshly labeled by the Emperor during their meeting were also reflections of the Emperor's own internal criticisms and internal conflicts.🤔

[@mega-reflexes-karotcake]

Yes ,and he mirrors his hope and regret

[@XXMatt0040XX]

When you put it that way I can almost imagine it also being Big E's way of admitting his faults before passing the torch. Interesting....

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Ah, he was projecting

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

​@@LordCrate-du8zmbro stealed my joke

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@yopoxikeweapescai9066 stole*

[@wash016]

Guilliman, being the Emperor's "Heart and Soul," is ironic as hell, considering Grampa Smurf never really liked the emperor.

[@alecdeter1999]

Naw he liked his Human mom and dad who ya know for sure loved him

[@dancingimmortal448]

that kinda makes sense though. emps didnt care for the primarchs and marines because they weren't truly human. the same can be said for how guiliman views the emps.

[@draketurtle4169]

You think the emperor would like himself if he met himself?

[@wash016]

@dancingimmortal448 exactly, humorously Guilliman is one of only two primarchs more loyal to the ideals of the Imperium over the Emperor himself. The other is the Khan. In fact, Guilliman never even considered the Emperor his father trufully. In his eyes, his father was Conner Guilliman, the Emperor was only ever his creator.

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@alecdeter1999and big E liked his parents too, then something traumatic happened

[@Odins_Spear]

Robütte göǒlieman is my favorite primearch simply because he’s fully understands the absolute mess his dad created and is playing it to his advantage

[@MyXyle666]

Pre-daemon angron was the best as he did his job to the fullest extent. He just had a couple software glitches along the way. A few small bugs in his code, if you will.

[@StevDoesBigJumps]

What exactly is guilliman's advantage here, the advantage of the emperium as a whole?

[@Adelie_in_Grey]

@@StevDoesBigJumps I think what they're saying is that despite the Emporium of Manx being a general shit hole, Robert Guillemum can still play with a chance at winning despite the hand he's been dealt.

[@poohtisdispenser7106]

⁠@@StevDoesBigJumpsHe has the power of “Common Sense” and “Doing Taxes”. An extremely rare thing in the Imperium ngl.

[@Stardustphantom97]

​@StevDoesBigJumps I think he means with his dad and most of the primarchs being out of commission or dead, he can finally enact polices he always wanted to implement without anyone saying no or threatening civil war. Granted the imperium is at its lowest but Guilliman can at least act on good ideas with almost no push back.

[@r.walker6577]

Guilliman wants the same thing for mankind as the Emperor. The Emperor has seen too much both in his past life and future visions. The longer Guilliman leads the Imperium the more he understands why the Emperor is the way he is...

[@Qardo]

And yet, Big E didn't have to deal with a religion that has dug itself so deeply into the Imperium. That if Big E did wake up. He would have seriously done a lot of killing. All to rip out that blight. All because of...Lorgar.....

[@flaviofr4v0]

How do you know what the Emperor really wants? A colossal psyker soul that has been feeding of thousands of other psyker souls everyday for 10.000 years. What do you think that will come out of that? Nothing good for manking, I can assure you.

[@apharos3118]

Nuh Uh... Bitch... GullyMax can never see what the emperor saw.

[@husseinA.]

Big E: of course shit will hit the fan, that's why we got Girlyman, you'll fix them ... right? Guilliman: ... maybe Big E : and by maybe he means yes Guilliman: ...

[@thecommentguy9380]

Turns out it wasn't just shit hitting the fan, but the fan got yeeted into a whole ass pit of shit with how fucked the imperium is

[@alithanar8]

If you do, Rob, you’ll get a big tiddy Eldar gf

[@CopeSeethorntin]

When you really think about it genetically speaking the primachs are 90 percent, genetic copy pasted re skinned clones of the Emperor but with removed and re invested stats to fit there specifications. So it does pretty much track that the Emperor would have a back up contingency and what's basically his clone to pick up the slack.

[@mast3734]

If 40k ever ends/transitions, I feel like Big E will formally ascend, and Robot Man Gilbert Godfrey will be officially made Second Emperor of the Imperium

[@Mognemind]

Age of Guilliman

[@andrejjelcic3675]

@@Mognemind Era Indomitus

[@Gamerguy826]

The Emperor rules the Imperium in spirit (including more literally in the Warp, where he is still technically alive) and Guilliman rules it in person, its worldly, flesh and blood supreme Lord. Plus, with the Emperor officially past tense (as painful as that might be for the Imperium) that would mean no more 1000 soul sacrifices a day on Terra and the Imperium stands more of a long term fighting chance with the extra bodies for the front. I like it.

[@CTembo]

These names are getting ridiculous

[@quinkana1]

@@Gamerguy826 so you're saying that girlyman is 40k Jesus

[@filipbitala2624]

“Planning years in advance” Well if you ignore all the retcons that might be true

[@thalastianjorus]

There... really haven't been all that many retcons. A lot of added information and details, but very few true retcons.

[@rickfastly2671]

@@thalastianjorus 🧢

[@filipbitala2624]

@@thalastianjorus custodes have always been female, terra houses billions of people, i mean trilions of people, i mean milions of people, i mean quadrilions of people, and orks being able to literally believe stuff into existence, i mean not, is just a few that come to mind, and there are many more

[@basteala525]

@@filipbitala2624 The custodes being female is kind of a weak argument because anyone that's been following 40K for years know that the custodes weren't originally a thing either. Those around for longer know the Horus Heresy wasn't always a thing, either.

[@filipbitala2624]

@@basteala525 custodes as we know them know were a thing since atleast the 1993, they existed even before but were retconned(ironic) and yes the horus heresy wasnt a thing. But that doesnt mean that it was retconned, retcon is changing something that exists, not necessarily creating something that doesnt

[@ShadowFri3nd]

Roberto Guillermo best Primarch.

[@Fanatykus]

Only primarch who is no only a general warrior but also great administrator.

[@SowiesoSchon]

Mas Bueno

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 The True father of Crimson Fists

[@ShiroKazeRyuu]

I think in terms of heart and soul the lion is a better reflection of the emperor, but in terms of their image and dream for humanity, guiliman and the emperor were heart and souls together. The sheer fact that when the Big E found guiliman and had no words for him and needed to do nothing in guiliman's empire spoke volumes of what the emperor felt of guliman's empire of humanity.

[@bobthepervyuncle]

He could've said to other Primarchs, those he thought would be loyal and useful, 'This is how you build and rule, you fools.'

[@brockwilkie6022]

Agreed, Guilliman fought for ideals, similar to how E is doing even terrible things for what he sees as humanities betterment. The Lion, more similar to his father, had a "yeah that ideal we are striving for is nice an all but lets be real here and just do what needs to be done, and it will be terrible but ends justify the means."

[@MilloSpiegel]

I like the Lion and Leman Russ as two opposit sides of the same coin. The lion being a beast, pretending to be sophisticated and Leman, a smart man pretending to be a savage

[@midoevil7]

​@WaaaghMarine More like worshipped himself, which logar did. the "imperial truth" is basically "his truth",he accepts only his plans, enforces only his laws , shape humanity to his vision, he is the center of everything, while supposedly being just another human.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

No

[@uninspiredrambler]

Guillimen's greatest strength seems to be his general skill at everything related to empire building. He's not the best fighter, but he's damn good. He's not the best orator, but his accomplishments back up his words. He's at least situationally not the best tactician, but he's pretty good in most situations. He is probably the best diplomat, at least when you also consider non-humans.

[@nikik5567]

He literally was the single best thing that could happen to the imperium post golden throne. He’s a near perfect statesman blended with a superb general. If they could only have one primarch return, Guilliman was best case scenario.

[@davidpower5710]

Na he is the best tactician, dude almost defated two legions. While his was handie caped. He ability to learn , use and then counter other tactics is whats makes his so dangerous. Like for extanple corvus and him played a war game. Covrus won 3 times but after that he said he could never beat g man. Thier is a reason horus wanted him gone so bad lmao

[@lavatun]

​@davidpower5710 people hate the ultramarines because of one author's terrible fanboy writing about them.. but people forget how and why the ultramarines function.. they are good at everything.. not specializing in just one aspect of war is a good thing, it makes you flexible, fast to adapt and leaves very little for the enemy to exploit.. not to mention that ultras regularly interact with normal humans quite often makes them understand the imperial guard more than most legions.. they are a force multiplier legion wherein them lending their strength to any other chapter or imperial force significantly increases the chance of victory for the imperium..

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Exactly. No one should listen to Logar. He is a bad judge. Also this was when Matt Ward was a key writer right? Made all chapters look up to the smurfs? With that said Gulliman is a great administrator. Heart and soul? If the Emperor had it he lost it. I would say Sanguinius is his heart and soul.

[@shadeofmountain9199]

he is one of the best tacticians, but bad fighter(

[@DeadGothicRed]

And I'm sure the R34 content between Yvrraine and Guillieman was probably foreshadowed somewhere in between.

[@herbderbler1585]

I've heard he can't take his armor off right now as he still requires some life support efforts after his time in stasis. I imagine the smell alone is enough to stop any Rule-34 from happening.

[@DeadGothicRed]

@herbderbler1585 idk man. The people who do R34 don't tend to have such limits and/or standards.

[@targitausrithux2320]

@@herbderbler1585he took his armor off already dude ur behind by like a few years

[@herbderbler1585]

@@targitausrithux2320 I am behind in my reading, you're not wrong.

[@fleur3674]

Not canon.

[@AFO666]

It does make some sense now but at the time i also think this still wpuldve made sense at the time. Given the skills of guilliman it wouldve only made sense for him to have taken the spot of next in line despite the narratives written about some the other primarchs. Of course everyone on the traitors, had they succeeded, wouldve made traitorous claims over who should be chaos' best plaything but of the loyalists the only who may have opposed this view of "next in line" at the time wouldve maybe have been the lion given his still prideful view of honor and duty and his "with me or against me" attitudes. None could do it better than guilliman

[@TheWaluigiman1]

Which is ironic since now The Lion would happily let Guilliman run things while he waged war.

[@FoxgirlEriana]

hello fellow Signalis enjoyer :D

[@kharnthebetrayer8251]

Yeah, this doesn't really read to me like forshadowing. It just reads like ''yeah, Guilliman could run an Empire' which... he already did with Ultramar.. And later set up as a backup if Terra falls with Imperium Secundus. Guilliman was always setting up Empires, he's really good at it

[@garuda12341]

​@@kharnthebetrayer8251 Like a true Roman

[@supremefankai5480]

Guilliman is predictable in a way, but never underestimate his capacity to switch things up

[@brockwilkie6022]

generally will need a wake up call in some way but agreed, he is one of the few that will honestly learn a lesson and change things up. That is why he was willing and able to take his brothers' various ideas and implement them himself.

[@andrejjelcic3675]

Yeah, he has untapped potential that comes up when he gets mad. Every time. The fact that despite that Khorn would rather join hands with Slanesh than try to corrupt Guiliman speaks volumes.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Kor Phaeron, in M42 after hearing _the news:_ 😬

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

I know I'm not the only one who expected Guilliman to return. All textual implications pointed to him being the "easiest" and thus most likely primarch to return. The ony ones who can't come back are Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius, because actually saw them die. Dorn was (allegedly) killed but all they found was a fist and primarchs have walked off worse.

[@basteala525]

Hell, the idea was broached to Ultramarines fans all the way back in Nightbringer by Graham McNiel in a blink and you'll miss it moment. I don't know how much of it was actually planned back then, but they definitely left the door open for such a return.

[@nikik5567]

Technically we can’t even say for certain that Sanguinius can’t come back, as there’s vague mentions of something happening to the vengeful spirit that hints his soul could eventually be able to manifest on the ship. And if he can manifest…there’s a chance he could be reborn.

[@NachtjagerVII]

@@nikik5567 His body is also mostly intact and its location is known and easily reachable to the Emperor.

[@КнязьМаксир]

Isn't Conrad dead, too?

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@КнязьМаксир Yeah, but he wasn't extra-killed like Horus, and the Traitors needed to have at least one casualty. Plus him coming back as a clone or something would undermine the entire point of his character.

[@jackmason6788]

What I like most about gellerman is the fact that hes average. No sad dramatic back story, no wierd warp powers or genetic mutations. Just a dude (obviously a primarch) ironically the most human character in the imperium

[@DisasterLord]

His superpower is having adoptive parents that cared for him as a human

[@foxalpha3203]

he's the superman of 40k

[@garuda12341]

What having a two parent household does to a mofo

[@nicholasjoseph9062]

inherited father’s depression mode

[@zachman2272]

"My last tool, my last hope...guillimen."

[@darksider2903]

Nah, that's how Guilliman's mortal mom and dad raised him. Sangy got Emperor's soul and he was a ruthless blood thirsty berserker

[@TheWanderingHunter]

Sanguinis doesnt get the emperors soul, He gets 2 warp entity, angel of light and angel of dark

[@irmiwolf]

I always hate how people act like a writer being able to look back at what they wrote to continue something they mentioned is something crazy.

[@jacobwiren8142]

Look at the massive multi-billion-dollar fuckup that is Disney Star Wars and lower your expectations accordingly.

[@basteala525]

True, but when you look at the state of star wars, world of warcraft, and other western sci-fi/fantasy, having a plan and continuity is sadly a special thing nowadays.

[@agentc7020]

For me it depends on the level of continuity, there's this jrpg series that's been adding and adding to the story with excellent continuity to the point that it actually it's main selling point.

[@dummyaccount7325]

​@@agentc7020name?

[@jacobwiren8142]

Remember the multi-billion-dollar mistake that is Disney Star Wars and lower your expectations accordingly.

[@wackpool1491]

I love that technically Guiliman is a MID primarch by all acaunts at 30K. (Battle Prouece is nowhere near of some of the other ones, and even at imperious secondes he was more of a middleman delegator on purpose) But after the Herecy he stepped up big time, and now he is counted as one of the biggest heroes that have ever lived

[@knightblade0188]

That’s because Guiliman never wanted to be more whereas after the heresy he had no choice but to be more.

[@wackpool1491]

@@knightblade0188 how does the saying goes? those don't want power are the ones who should have it?

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

In Lord Of the First, it says very similar things about the Lion. I think the principle that the Emperor's sons reflect his attributes is what's referred to here, more than foreshadowing per se.

[@NachtjagerVII]

All of the Primarchs are cast in his image, modified to embody his individual traits, whether they be good or bad. It is why Big E hated Angron so much, Angron is the manifestation of his wrath and malice, things the emperor had no need for.

[@blackmark2899]

@@NachtjagerVII Angron was never meant to be his wrath though. There's not a single need for a commander of an entire legion to be perpetually angry and so utterly led by it despite Angron's fighting of it. Angron was man made to be wrath incarnate, but it wasn't by the Emperor's hand.

[@Meme-Republic]

Holy Shit! Guilliman is the TRUE SON OF THE STAR CHILD!!! Wuttt da heeeeelllll!! 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@HeinrichMuller-mv6hn]

No.His Father is Konor.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

As someone who got into 40k in that weird period before 8th edition and the dawn of war memes and the early Horus heresy series so I’ve explored a bit of both old and new 40k so I was practically giddy when I heard a Primarch returned it was like seeing a old friend again or that the main plot of 40k was finally winding up I don’t care what people say about the dark imperium trilogy I was pumped the whole time

[@sirkelendor5429]

There is a reason hes called the "winning son" after all

[@myfaceismyshield5963]

And his legion are the "over-the-sea-men" which makes sense when all the void is spoken of with naval terms. It's all pretty funny

[@sirkelendor5429]

@@myfaceismyshield5963 i hate to break it to you but thats not why they are the ultramarines. In the og art their armor is ultramarine blue, a shade of blue. Hence the name. Ironically the modern art depicts them as a cobalt blue

[@Jabullz]

Calling him the emporers Echo is cool as hell.

[@isaacfrost31]

Calling it now. Rowboat Girlyman will be sacrificed to bring about the second coming of the emperor.

[@Ragnarra]

Well shit. If that happens the Ultramarines are probably gonna going to kill the Emperor, master of mankind or no, you probably shouldn’t kill their dad. To come back from the dead when you are a perpetual anyway.

[@NachtjagerVII]

I mean they could write it like that, but realistically all Big E needs in order to resurrect is to be allowed to die. He is a perpetual, and a god. If the Custodies would have let his physical body die at the end of the heresy then he could have reforged his body at will. They were too scared to let this happen because they didn't know how long it would take or even if it would work.

[@Saurophaganax1931]

This is probably the biggest compliment the Emperor could ever hope for.

[@Timasion]

I don't think that was a prediction. In you remember, this was in the aftermath of Monarchia and Kor Pharon and Erebus (FU) was trying to turn Lorgar. To do so, they made a direct comparison between the Emperor and the person who Lorgar hated most, Roboute Guilliman. That way, Lorgar would associate the Emperor with Roboute Guilliman.

[@kennedynwogbidi7252]

That's why he is called the perfect son

[@lavatun]

"Too damn strong. Too perfect to fall." Horus Lupercal when asked if he could convince guilliman to join the traitors..

[@gunnerbradley5282]

I refuse to believe that GW planned anything with that much foresight and actually stuck with it.

[@Fyrebrand18]

Sometimes I realize that my sense of time is absolutely fucked because I could have sworn that Guilliman’s return wasn’t announced till later. I don’t remember Guilliman coming back while I was in high school.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Because he is the greataest of them all, an ultramarine

[@Aberinkula9]

Emperor was Matt Ward all that time. 😂

[@lavatun]

To be fair, alexis pollux said this: "If it would please you, my lord, it would bring much greater honor to barabas if it were you, the mightiest of the emperor's sons, who would send him on his way." This was during barabas "adamantium balls" dantioch's funeral..

[@alsuqh389]

Guilliman be like: Deamon-Prince 👎 God-Emperor-Prince👍

[@LorgarAurelius]

The only man who rivals Roboute's resemblance to father, is another brother of mine. And it is the Lion of Caliban

[@cellardweller5245]

I feel that Lion is lesser known by others In-universe, which is why he's not often compared to Big E. That being said, when reading Lion's books, I couldn't help but notice similarities in image, behavior and actions of Big E and El'Johnson. At least in 30k Lion was definitely very similar to Emperor.

[@Matt-md5yt]

how's running away from The Raven treating yah

[@ProffessorYellow]

Known for planning years in advance? More like known for reconning years in advance

[@cyrillesu]

Having it come from *Kor Phaeron* of all people is the cherry on top.

[@vordinarvoidheart8600]

Robert 👍

[@slimjim877]

I doubt it was planned out, more just a throwaway line got latched onto. Like fallout 4 being bult around the institute after a single quest in fallout 3.

[@nikik5567]

I’m convinced Guilliman was a contingency plan for the emperor. Like the short says, if anything were to go horribly wrong, Guilliman would be the one hope of saving and running the empire. I’m convinced that was his role, the contingency successor.

[@calebcollins5887]

Makes sense the emperor hates himself so why wouldn’t his sons.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

They aren't known for planning much of anything.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

I feel like the Emperor is Julius Caesar. Conquest after conquest only to be betrayed by within and G man is more like Octavius, the one who brought vengeance and shaped the Roman Empire.

[@vengarlof7033]

It mentions guile man’s healing within the 4th Ed codex space marines

[@TheForcesWrath]

That's boss, thanks for that clip✊🏿

[@hhero4841]

Story: Logar has the closest similarly to big E's face Artwork: logar looks like a meth addict.

[@W1ckedshort]

Big E had an internal conflict of calling him son or a tool. He's even addressed this outwardly.

[@Happyman28778]

Guilliman is the Emperors Greatest success as far as primarchs go, only being rivaled by the sheer humanity of Vulkan and in both instances there views are not even crafted by the emperor but rather mortal men and women who cared for them and loved them dearly. Frankly I really love this part of warhammer: At the end of day when all is said in done it is the regular men and women of the imperium who have consistently decided its fate. Whether it be the absolute titan of imperial history Euten is or the simple widow named Ollanius Pius who stood against the full force of chaos personified in Horus which saved the Imperium.

[@lawrencebray9623]

Guilliman is big E in 42M. The star child is always a topic. But big E likes to work through R.G too. Wonder if they could be linked

[@codemaster2861]

I have never thought of games workshop as having good planning skills but this is surely not a coincidence that this one conversation was right on the money

[@bonzwah1]

Here's a video idea. I love "letting the players lead" but i find that players need certain things in order to play off of in order to lead effectively. What are the things that the gm needs to set up for the players to be able to lead effectively? - I have my own thoughts on this, but im always looking to hear other perspectives.

[@GabrielGarcia-pi3hn]

The biggest thing ive learned watching these videos isnt from the videos, but from reading all the comments saying Roe Blu-ray Gill Amen's name wrong

[@zoltanrobertlovas4672]

Did you really just forget that Guilliman was regent lord of the imperium for a thousand years before Fulgrim Snake cut his throat? It's not foreshadow to 40k, it was already established lore.

[@cookiemathew1656]

The Emperors arrogance, his lack of planning between the short and long term plans. His lack of ability to win duels until the last second leaving him wounded. (I'm just mad he got Rogal Dorn killed because of the 1000 marine limit he imposed on the legions and then forced on his brothers when he was actually the most heretical of the loyal sons, I'll never forget that little Secundus project.)

[@anthonyrivera4547]

Looking like a difference between someone trying to take charge and someone who has it bestowed on em

[@orangehunter8457]

This is one of those ironies i really love from 40k, Guiliaman is the Emperor's "heart and soul", but the difference is that big e mindset is "its my way or the highway, while guiliman was humbled in his fathers death and learned that ultimately he isnt a God.

[@nidiouszalcatraz7312]

Heart and soul cast in his fathers image

[@warrenweaver6664]

Guilliman Boy Scout always listen to Daddy lol 😂

[@rhoydplaz2853]

His becoming his dad 😢

[@mr.nobody5493]

He does not like his Creator.

[@phamnhat2925]

TL;DR - Horus is the ego, Lorgar is the oratory skill, Rowboat is the career.

[@chezmcdave]

Time to scour the old books to see who returns next

[@jamesespinosa690]

I interpreted this as Kor using Lorgars hatred off Guilliman to help poison his love for The Emperor. By casting them as mirror images, Kor Phaeron helps push Lorgar towards to dark side by isolating him from his beloved father.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

I suppose Perty can relate. Rowboat now carries the Imperium while he had to carry the heresy. I hope they retcon him being a daemon prince, it be pretty neat for them to meet with a brother who isnt a slave to dark gods. fucking evil maybe and definitely full of self hatred, but still sound of mind.

[@Matt-FRESHMINTY]

This is foreshadowing the Scouring where Gman dictated the codex to everyone and had the largest legion.

[@Martins3945-]

I actually still have that book. A guy was getting rid of his old stuff and he had a box of 40k books so I took them.

[@tisFrancesfault]

People were talking about how he was going to come back and take over, well over 20 years ago.

[@vampurhntrd]

If only Konor and Guillimom raised the emperor we may have been able to skip a step

[@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it]

While Lorgar may actually be....right, here...maybe Guiliman is just a reflection of Horus? Are we sure that the same pride Horus had isn't in Guiliman but just buried deeper? The Lion, who had a natural instinct for sending corruption came to Macragge and said "I feared you had done much worse." If he and even Malcador and Russ suspected Guiliman, that is some strong reason for suspicion of those 3 agree with one another.

[@daddypudding9074]

Kind of. There will be some pride, but it was always more in “I am proud of the future we have secured” Horus was more “I am proud of what we have done” He always looked to the future, and saw his glory as the success of his worlds. It’s why he’d have sanguinis in charge and Lion in charge of the military, even though he’s the one who created Imperial Secundus. His pride is him giving others success.

[@Ultramar565]

Lord Guilliman the Imperium would be lost without you

[@RockyX123]

The Imperium was alive for 10 millennium without him. It probably last well after his death.

[@CLCasual]

They do think years in advance, the latest proce rises are intended to account for inflation for the next 5 years, despite plastics costs being way down

[@jderpz23]

I love how Guilliman is the emperors equivalent of Jesus Christ

[@lordlucius1341]

Big E: you’re the only who can macmicro this whole imperium as decent as me

[@djloffysvlogsgaming2625]

Crazy thing is corfairon prediction came true.

[@leovalenzuela8368]

That’s is indeed a cool dialogue they had, but it does not predict his future like you say.

[@christopheraaron1255]

Hardly foreshadowing.

[@SamuelGeist]

Guilliman is the Archangel Michael to Horus' Lucifer.

[@ZetatheSixth]

Wasn't this back when GW was doing nothing but prop up and glaze the Ultramarines?

[@codyratelle5464]

The best part of this comment thread are all the nicknames for guilliman😂

[@callmedawn6781]

The way GW plans ahead like this, I’ll be on my death bed praying I make it long enough to see what happens next. I’ll probably die before I get all the answers I want out of this setting lol.

[@Averlest162]

Of course theyre planning years in advance if they only worked on what they release that would mean they only work like 20 days a year. Their rollout schedule is meant to keep you engaged

[@george9453]

Robert 👍🏻

[@Doctorgeo7]

That's how you do a proper series. Have a plan for the whole thing.

[@Scobragon]

Robute ran the imperium after Emprah's internment, he just returned during era indomitus.

[@cooperross9495]

I'm not sure the Emperor had much "humility" himself...

[@fallouttoonlink]

Wish games workshop would bring back Vulkan. Guilliman could really use a hug

[@kamiya4700]

Is this also the reason why people theorized that Bobby G. would become a leader to humanity if terminus decree end up destroying holy tera?

[@DarrenDior]

Sangy shoulda been the avenging son. RIP the Great Angel.

[@SlimShady-tc5mb]

You may have your father's face, but unfortunately You and Horus do not have your father's hair pattern bald..... *Lorgar shoots Kor Phaeron

[@St33lStrife]

The recent changes to custodes dont seem to have been thought out.

[@Velgar_Grim]

Matt Ward fanboying the warp out Smurfs... "Oh, my. The whole of GW must have really planned the long game here!" Kinda like a guy sowing pennies around is confounded that one day, he too stumbled upon one. "This was surely destinied a long time ago! And now that destiny has been made manifest! Who could have thought?!"

[@IamTheaveragegamer]

They plan years in advance, unless it is saying there are female custodes.

[@alberto5770]

Yet they kept the female custodes hidden in the palace's kitchens until the awokening happened... Funk G Wokeshop

[@shark_2283]

You say planning I say they tease everything they possibly can.

[@s.a1795]

I really want to get into the 40k lore but have no idea were to start

[@DaveMcMuffin]

I never knew this. The Ultramarines are growing on me, at the moment the fists are still my favorite but the boys in blue are gaining ground.

[@mihai000000]

wait , lorgar looks like the emperor ?

[@windrider970]

Guilliman was already pretty much the regent after the heresy. This isn't foreshadowing. He took control once the Emperor fell. Why do you think the legions were broken up and the codex became the guiding principle for 99% of chapters?

[@privatemcprivateson1054]

Throat goat sillyman gets all the cool stuff because the blueberry boys are the figureheads of borehammer.

[@rumham2834]

Damn dawg .That was a lot of insults in a row.