Guitar Help, Tips And Myth Busting By Scott Grove

[@groovydjs]

You are 100% correct. That pissed people off and they are marking the most true statement posted here as SPAM. lol Isn't it wonderful how people simply can't think beyond what they are told? Great post. I fully agree with you.

[@groovydjs]

That would make you wrong. Billy Gibbons uses 7's and they sound huge. SRV used 13's simply because of tuning down half a step. It's needed to keep the string tension correct on the neck.

[@dialecticalspectacle]

Legendary video from a real legend. Learned so much from the hour long lecture. Lot of controversial takes all around but one can test all the arguments for themselves.

[@bigbobbreakdance]

I cant believe i can watch your videos for an hour at a time.. Best reviews on youtube!

[@michaelmendillo4614]

So great having you back Scott,,, you dont need to explain or prove yourself here anymore,,, us true fans are still here ! Because we love you Bro!!!! TY Brother !!!! 😁✌

[@groovydjs]

Thanks very much my friend. I'm glad that someone appreciates it tossed out there this way. Cheers! Scott

[@groovydjs]

That story was great! I loved how he said that most were out of focus and they hadn't learned to figure that part out yet. He said that they were cool with them and didn't show any aggression at all either when it was time to get the equipment back. That is truly cool. Now that avatar will have a lot more meaning. I loved it!

[@roadmaster1ful]

Scott, I never get tired of watching your videos. You really do try to help people with your years of knowlege.

[@groovydjs]

You are so very correct again! Please visit here as often as you want, it's SOOOOOO nice to hear from someone over 12 years old and knows his stuff. Not just guitars, but intelligent in general. lol You can see how excited I am to know that there IS HOPE for the world after all. lol I love that you brought up all of the different species of woods. The Bird's Eye LOOKS great, but is simply not as sturdy as other types, but it's used more for the decorative properties etc. THANK YOU!

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks my friend. I'm so very glad that you are getting along so well with them. I truly appreciate you coming by to tell folks about it as well. All my best to you and drop in more often....the wife has her eye on a new car! lol Cheers! Scott

[@guitardudeguy3139]

I made my guitar students watch this video. Very informative for the newbs..thanks again Scott!

[@groovydjs]

Awesome! I'm honored.

[@reedburke7762]

This is classic Dr Groovy. I love these videos! (Still viewing in 2020)

[@groovydjs]

Much appreciated. Yeah, no sugar coating here for sure. There are thousands of people on here that do that. Sometimes the truth is actually wanted instead of people watching a Mister Rogers type of video and then those people just going out and trying to make a video EXACTLY like the one they just watched and trying to take the credit for it. I take great pride in knocking those folks down a peg or thirty. lol Thanks again.

[@groovydjs]

My pleasure. They are the true way to get all of your guitars to FINALLY be created equal. Simple concept and they marketed it all towards keyboards instead of realizing the need for such a thing for guitars. It works GREAT. It's the RM56b.

[@groovydjs]

So very true my friend! It's amazing how few people are even aware of Sennheiser at all. They are clearly one of the best "go to" mic companies of all time, yet people have the hundred dollar Shure stuff bashed into their heads and consider them the "STANDARD" of all mics. I don't know about most folks....but, the standard of anything just isn't good enough. lol Thanks for bringing up those models and letting people know that those mics were DESIGNED for just such things! You rock! Scott

[@bobscratchit9665]

Haha, I thought I was the only one. I don't like sm57s much for guitar or the sm58 for vocals for some reason. Did they change it over the years or was it always like it is? I did like the e609 for guitars though so I guess you're right. I always wanted those vocal mics from the Pink Floyd live at Pompeii movie.

[@LoganBates-fu9pw]

I like your comments about wood on a electric guitar. Your 100 percent correct. The wood don't make any difference on a electric guitar. I been in arguments on this topic

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks Brad! I'm more than happy to toss it out there and see what sticks. lol

[@groovydjs]

When I did test after test after test, I simply changed bodies and used the EXACT same things on them. I would do a few Strats in one day. Just left the pickguard screws out and just kept switching the neck to a new body, alligator clips for the + - on the jack and even used the same bridge from body to body. Each and every one from Basswood, Alder, Ash, Mahogany and Acrylic measured EXACTLY the same. This is how I made sure the pickups were 100% identical and at the same heights as well.

[@nobleup]

You're a wealth of information with a really sharp sense of humor topped off with an abundance of attitude!!! I sincerely thank You for sharing Your knowldedge, experience, and instruction .

[@cdavidlake2]

Who's watching in 2019? Scott Grove mythbusting videos: stone cold classics then AND now.

[@gobangs1117]

First time I've watched this one. Classic.

[@reedburke7762]

I watch these classics all the time!

[@BloodySoup74]

Its 2023 and I'm watching now. Scott is a wealth of knowledge

[@Jay-sy5yf]

2024. Again!

[@rickycompton2610]

What a killer video Scott, I love going back and watching some of your old videos I’ve missed, Your knowledge is overwhelming ,I’ve learned so much from your channel and thank you Scott for all your great videos! There’s only 1 Dr Groovy!!!!

[@groovydjs]

Noah: Yeah, the Music Man folks know EXACTLY what they are doing. They should be the BIG boy company and just let Gibson and Fender close their doors.

[@jasonbuhagiar4714]

I moved to ibanez and prs , because I got fed up of poor quality fenders and Gibson guitars

[@groovydjs]

The AUX input is totally independent of the guitar input jack, so you are good to go using a line level input from a cd player or whatever through there. It won't sound great since your amp isn't in stereo and it doesn't have any tweeters of any kind,but it's still ok to put a device through there. Th Strat has a Poly finish on it and you can put anything you want on it and it will be 100% fine and dandy. No worries with either question.

[@groovydjs]

Great eye Paul! That is exactly what it is. As you said, I had never seen it on the sides either and when it came up for sale, it was just too beautiful to pass up. I am lucky that it turned out to be a great guitar too. lol Sometimes good looks get me into trouble and they just make for wall art, but that Taylor gets used and is so very appreciated as well. Almost a perfect axe.

[@groovydjs]

Thanks very much my friend. I simply take a different approach to it all and I think it's great that you enjoy the way I do it. It's all I can ask for. I may not get the most "views" out there, but I get the best quality of VIEWERS for sure. You be sure to drop on by any old time! Cheers!

[@standingbeark]

i'll join in by saying that i enjoy our videos , scott. i'm a guitarist of many years, and i DO appreciate someone that has "knowledge" of the "particulars". many folks think you just plug in, turn it up, and what else is there to it ? glad you help to put good info out there. keep up the good work.

[@morgansword]

I'm 63 and up until about a year ago, only thing I ever played with was a radio (and myself) so after a serious accident, I picked up a cheap Hohner acoustic and gave it a whirl. I still don't sound very good but I've had enormous fun and I'm sucking up information like a sponge so that I will get to play something besides "far away". I picked up a lot about amps today from you and really appreciate all the help I can get as I won't live long enough to ever be good. I have a Fender cutaway

[@HecateEnthroned666]

Wow, hearing this I am surprised I haven't blown an amp yet. I'm pretty sure I've done everything, playing an acoustic-electric on a guitar amp, using an instrument cable as a speaker cable, playing a bass on a guitar amp. I knew those things weren't a good idea, but I never thought it could ruin my equipment. I've been addicted to your videos for the past few days, and I just want to thank you for your wisdom, and your funny way of delivering it, and your no non-sense attitude. You're awesome, man.

[@maddogpicker]

I think I've broken all these rules too not knowing any better...

[@guitarded5198]

maddogpicker “rules”.

[@groovydjs]

Yeah, it's amazing how much difference it really makes. I'm the first one to admit that the BIG thinks like different woods and such make no difference on electric guitars, but oddly enough, those really do make a major difference. Nothing I love more than a steel nut, bridge and frets.

[@groovydjs]

The line out on your amp is a line level output from your amp. It is there if you wish to do some recording and not have to wake up the neighbors. It doesn't sound as good as physically putting a mic in front of the speaker, but...it's an option.

[@doors4u21]

You are my Idol, I love you and all your post's. I have learned so much from you, You always tell it like it is. And you know your sh**. That's for sure. Keep up the good work. John Bubello

[@groovydjs]

I actually do clean the fretboard on my old Strat with the steel wool as well. There's zero finish on the fretboard, so...it's the only thing that will get everything off...so, in that particular case, it's ok to do so. Plus, maple with no finish on the back or front of the neck feels great.

[@fatguymx]

Scott, you are the man. I like the fact that you bring to light the questions that some folks are too pretentious to ask and you give the direct, right answer. So what if you piss a few people off, bet they all listen to and use your tips anyways!! Thanks for you being you and keeping it real!! Cheers from S.C.!!

[@AtillaTheChef]

Thank you for taking the time to post this, Mr Grove. I learned a lot from it.

[@groovydjs]

It's the fact that it's voltage period. Even that 9V battery will simply play hell when you plug it in without having your amp or the sound system's channel down that you are going to plug into. If you were to plug in an active instrument at a music store with the volume up, they would most likely kick you out. lol It's kind of like amplifying lightening. You are actually trying to make electricity louder (if that makes sense) when you send initial voltage into anything amplified.

[@groovydjs]

I feel the same way. I love that sound. D'Addario used to put out some strings called XL Reds. They were copper wound and sounded just like piano strings. They were amazing. They would turn green and everything. lol

[@groovydjs]

Yep, cellos are the same when it comes to storing them with the string tension and with humidity etc. Also with active preamps that would cause big problems when plugging them in without being muted as well.

[@groovydjs]

It really depends on the guitar. Some are simply amazing and some are only good for a door stop. So, they are like any other company. They have the ability to make SUPERB guitars, and those you have to pay for.

[@groovydjs]

The neck will be fine since the string tension actually is VERY close all the way across the board. A set of 10 gauge strings has an average of 17 pounds of tension per string. They will vary just a tiny bit, but that is averaged out on both sides of the neck, sot it actually does keep the tension in unity across the neck. Any single string tuned at a whole step or more (either sharp or flat), will create a significant change and could cause problems over a short period of time.

[@groovydjs]

It's possible that it could cause a slight warp over time. Just remember, due to misinformation, strings don't have different tones or anything because of being thicker or thinner. So, if you just like the FEEL of that gauge, that's cool, but there are no tonal differences in hybrid sets.

[@groovydjs]

You are way too kind my friend! Thank you very much!

[@Kianquenseda]

I agree with Glen Lounsbury. You give me a chuckle in almost all your vids. It is amazing the number of small minded people that have videos solely to try to discredit you. It shows how guitarded they are. They say that big people talk about ideas, everybody talks about opinions, and little people talk about other people. It is refreshing to actually learn something from a man with no hidden agenda. You're AWESOME keep it up. By the way i saw your vid on your best single coils. Do you have a vid on humbuckers ?

[@zeuqzavaj9630]

never tire of your help & wisdom. can commiserate that you suffer fools poorly but i should at least express my gratitude having visited your well of knowledge for about a year now. was concerned about your health issues recently, wishing you & yours the best maestro . please continue you make a grand difference be well.

[@groovydjs]

It will be interesting to find out for sure! I found a nice package with the Fractal Axe-FX II and the MAJOR, optional foot controller. That foot controller is almost half the price of the unit, but....might as well get the whole system. I'm really looking forward to checking it out too. Great thing is, I can put all of my favorite Johnson sounds right into the Axe-FX. So, that will be my first mission. They everything else is just icing on the cake after that.

[@sidpablo]

finished the video tip the end.... This is a MUST for all musicians out there! Thanks Scott!

[@groovydjs]

My pleasure, and FINALLY understands that you can't compare 2 different guitars, you have to use EVERYTHING from guitar A and transfer it to guitar wood B and to guitar wood C. Not doing it that way leaves way too many variables that can and will make a difference. So, just as stated, EVERYTHING has to be put on to all other wood types and then analyzed. It's nice to know that there is at least one guy who actually GETS it instead of dismissing it just BECAUSE. lol Cheers.

[@groovydjs]

Open E isn't too bad at all actually. You've got the strings that are tuned sharp (but not a ton) all right in the middle, so it's not favoring one side or the other to where it would warp the neck. So, that is a GREAT question about that particular tuning. Open G would be prone to warping unless you used lighter gauge strings on the strings on the low E and A strings.

[@sav7152]

Hi Scott, back again. Enjoying the volumes of videos as you suggested I look at and learning so much! I especially found the tuning part interesting in the video….it makes total sense!

[@neylandsmaxims]

Big fan here Scott, love the videos. They really contain a wealth of information. Seems like I learn something new every time I click one of them.

[@walterstark4775]

Thank you for spending your time informing us with your accumulated tips. You have a lot to share!

[@david_cummings]

Thoughts on vacuum tubes. I don't touch my tubes with my bare hands. Skin oils on the glass will develop hot spots on the tube promoting premature failure.. I also clean tube glass with a non-ammonia glass cleaner (Sprayway, sprayed on the cleaning cloth, not on the tube itself) or a coated camera lens cloth before installing. Not necessary in some people's eyes, but an ounce of prevention. Never, ever touch any quartz bulbs in stage lighting with your bare fingers unless you want that impromptu supernova during your show

[@RolfEgilBolle]

Thanks for your excellent lessons.

[@timnoble4137]

Shit hot, solid advice from Scott. I live the guy; 100% valuable info, zero% BS.

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks! Yeah, I remember when I was working and building speaker cabinets all day long every day and the boss showed us that trick to speed things up and it was too cool! We would always laugh because the speakers would always be face up when we were wiring them all together and there would be saw dust inside all of the cones, hit the plug with that battery and saw dust would go flying out of those things. The ones that were wired backwards.......they kept all the saw dust in them. lol

[@groovydjs]

Thanks much. Yeah, I've always wondered why they have to leave a comment at all. They should simply go to somewhere that spews what they believe and they can be happy hearing what they WANT to hear.

[@studio1087]

It's a three hour drive from my house to mom's house. Thanks for making a whole hour of it pleasant I learned a few things. I like putting your long videos through the blue tooth system in the car on long drives. Good stuff Scott. Thanks. John.

[@groovydjs]

Thank you my friend! I'm so glad that SOMEBODY is getting something that they can use from my windbag self! lol

[@groovydjs]

Yeah, the BEST part about the whole electronic thing is finding at least a couple of great sounding "kits" that you can go to and even just trigger the foam filled acoustic drums so that you can retain all the feel. That is a superb way to control them, even with an Alesis D5 or something for a couple hundred bucks used. They just have those advantages in small settings. If you are doing arena tours etc. hammer away on the big kits and go nuts the way nature intended. lol

[@transchristine]

Purchased Scott's guitar package, and for the price you cant go wrong. There is more great tuition in these videos than you will ever get from any one on one teacher at $60 an hour for a fraction of this price. From his advanced lessons to his basics he takes the time to teach and teach well. Basic Guitar, Acoustic Guitar Beyond and Right Handed Picking a must have. Chris from Australia

[@cdavidlake2]

Still the best lessons on YT. Period.

[@groovydjs]

True, take any precaution you can.

[@carpetpro9903]

Scott, appreciate you sharing all your musical wisdom, God BLESS you sir

[@Ston247]

Hey, Scott. Thanks for your video on Morley Volume pedal adjustment. Bought a Mini volume pedal that didn't sweep like it should. Now, I'm never gonna get rid of it. Keep up the good work!

[@Bluelightbandit]

I love how you are so informative and educational and then throw in a funny joke out of the blue. It keeps the videos interesting and fun. Loved the "shaft" description on the cable ends and as soon as you said Tommy Lee's name, I knew damn well where you were going with that lol! Thanks for sharing these great videos!

[@groovydjs]

Very true. It is best to let them warm up far a half hour on average. There is actually a lot to know about tubes for sure. They are what they are and need to be treated as such. Good thing that after all these years, we have a really good idea as to how they work and what their limitations and needs are.

[@1900stratoliner]

Great info Scott. I wondered what the right way to store a guitar was. Thanks.

[@groovydjs]

Hi there my friend, great to have you here!

[@thejizzanator]

Scott, about guitar and speaker cables, this is why I stopped going to guitar center. My friend needed a cable to connect his tube amp to the cab and there was only 1 speaker cable left on the wall but tons of instrument cables. The speaker cable was lodged behind the price tag so the cashier handed him an instrument cable and said it was the same thing. Even after I insisted we wanted the speaker cable he wanted us to take an instrument cable. They don't teach employees these days...

[@Malminator1]

Thanks Scott - good stuff.... I'm just going to sit and listen. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@groovydjs]

Thanks very much! I remember having to use the dehumidifiers for sure. It's hard to find a place that is just right all the time. lol If you ever find it, let me know and I'll gladly move there. I'm tired of lugging water all day long. lol

[@groovydjs]

Yes, I'm 100% going to buy one.

[@denniszanone9480]

A 76 year old new to guitar but wanting to be able to play since a teenager. Just started, it is on my bucket list. I have a Yamaha fs720s . I think it's ok but don't really know. I am a large person 6'1" 252lbs so I don't worry about the fit. I appreciate your videos with such good information, although I realize it your opinion, but you seem very knowledgeable. Thanks again for the info.

[@mikemagnum7987]

Thanks Scott for all the information. I only play to entertain myself, but it very interesting to know all the setup that a band has to know! I appreciate a good band more now than I have in the past just because of the knowledge gained from your videos. Thanks Again Doc!

[@groovydjs]

That's flippin' great! I love it! I'm off to Google it right now. That is classic!

[@groovydjs]

That is always a beautiful thing! I actually had a club owner come up to me once & ask what that "THING" was that feels like a mule kicking you in your chest. I told him that is what a correctly mixed and eq'd sound system sounds and feels like. It's the kick and the bass guitar working together and getting you off of your ass & THAT is what makes people dance. He asked if I could turn that off. I asked him if he could have the bartenders pour triple shots all night and charge for singles. lol

[@izionman]

In the past three years, I have not seen anyone that has sincerely given most of what they know ( musical knowledge ) like Scott Grove. I'm extremely impressed. I've been watching Scott Grove for better then three years now. I've never wrote a comment on his videos. This seems to be a good time to express my thoughts concerning Scott. Outside of his humorous side, Scott is the most giving individual that you will ever find when it comes to all around musicianship. Take care Scott.

[@groovydjs]

You are too kind my friend! It's It's awesome to know that awesome folks like you are out there just being GROOVY. You take care as well my man. Scott

[@fjonesjones2]

Really enjoyed your 'plethora' of information Scott mate. Have a great day.

[@sdcb27]

Thanks for taking the time to make the videos, there are some jewels many dont know in your videos

[@scottwillott1]

Thanks, very interesting & informative. I am glad that you take the time to teach us this stuff & grateful that you do it for free.

[@kammhron]

Good suff. I must admit I blew a tweeter or two on my powered monitors by pulling cables in & out while the power was on. I used to be really guitarded, now I am more informed, thanx to your vids.

[@groovydjs]

If it doesn't have a horn or tweeter, then just the one if you're going to use one at all. If you aren't using a direct box simply because the sound coming out of your speakers is so amazing, then the one specialized mic will do fine and dandy on any of the 4 speakers.

[@davidtranter6663]

Thanks a little more knowledge acquired in my ongoing musical journey

[@groovydjs]

So very true! You can check some stuff on here with Chappers (I think his name is) and they do the blindfolded test between so many Teles made of Alder, Cottage Cheese etc. and these "experts" can't tell the difference between a REAL '52 Tele and one they bought on eBay for $150.00 that is a Squier Affinity from Indonesia. I've seen a lot of the blind tests and conducted a lot of them as well. 90% of the people in my ACOUSTIC test loved the plywood Silvertone and HATED the Martin, Taylor etc.

[@groovydjs]

Yeah, if they have AUX jacks, that's what they are there for, they are still supposed to be line level and not a powered signal though. It's still like plugging in a speaker load into the front of your amp's input. Those devices always sound horrible through your amp anyway.

[@blacklabelpa]

Hey Dr. Groovy. Man you are like a mentor for me you got me thinking about stuff i never even thought about. Thanks so much for all your genius knowledge man. You taught me so much. I realize ive been a dumb ass and doing allot of things wrong. As always i never got bad advice. Thank you my friend and hope things are going well for ya.

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks James my friend!

[@CooCooAwesome]

Hey Scott. Really amazing video, lots of very useful information. I'm in a band and we are getting ready to start gigging this year, and this video really helps me feel a lot more confident that we won't screw up the tech / equipment side of things. I also don't mind your rambling either, I find your sense of humor very enjoyable. Thanks a lot for giving us your knowledge. Cheers!

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks my friend. I honestly don't remember if I included this in the video, but let the guys (and, or gals) know that NO GIG will ever be what they see in their head. Only AFTER the gig will you know what to learn from, what can and will go wrong and right. I know, common sense, but that BIG GIG somehow always turns out to be a shit hole and they treat you bad etc. then the ones you fully expect to suck.....those are generally the most fun. The ride home after the gig is where all of the REAL thinking goes on and where everybody in the band should make physical and mental notes about anything and everything, just to toss the thoughts, ideas, likes and dislikes about each gig around and if EVERYBODY can be included in a conversation and have their say, even if it is only "HELL YEAH, WE ROCKED IT"!....then so be it. It's just a good thing to continue to do and don't let the contributions and ideas of each member slack off. As you all get REALLY comfortable doing gigs all the time, it becomes no big deal. But, when you get so comfortable that you really don't talk about the little things......it's just important to do so. Don't ever let anything get too big that it's a problem. Keep it wide open, understanding and respect for each other will go a long way to keep everybody happy and on the same page. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!

[@groovydjs]

Awesome my friend. Funny thing is......I'm playing through my single 10 and tweeter cabinet all the time too! You can't beat it. I have my old Hartke 3500 with my tuner and wireless in a rack and the little cab and I'm good to go. Clear as a bell and tight as a 2 year year old. OUCH! That was sick and wrong. lol But......you know EXACTLY what I mean. That's way too cool!

[@TheFoilsMusic]

Great video Scott. I live in southern Ontario, some days the humidity level is literally 100% Good thing I've got a dehumidifier. Cheers.

[@groovydjs]

You are way too kind my friend! I simply glad that you are getting some information that may help you in some way in your quest to enjoy making music. It's simply nice to have this sort of medium available to us finally, that way we can share things easily. Sure, there are the morons that constantly feel the need to come in here and be a tool, which forces me to shut down the comments sections after a few days. I just can't stand to babysit those 'tards. lol Thanks again. Scott

[@kevkeelan5106]

Excellent stuff Scott. I love your knowledge, your sense of humor and your honesty. keep making these vids and ill keep watching. cheers mate.

[@groovydjs]

My pleasure my friend. I actually enjoy doing it for the people who enjoy it. I think I have most of the bad apples blocked from coming in here. So, that makes it all fun again.

[@wseeback]

A lot of good stuff here. Been doin music shit for a good 20 years, and still learned something. Like the "Rolls" mixer trick, and the speaker polarity test. Good stuff. Keep up the good work. And thanks.

[@groovydjs]

Many thanks for checking out the video my friend! Scott

[@Biblicalgiants]

This is killing those nitro finish and exotic guitar wood freaks. Good upload!

[@groovydjs]

No biggie my friend. I'll still do some short ones. I just figure that the MORE information I can give folks, the better. There are thousands and thousands of people that have the short videos that don't do much more than let you see an axe, you don't get to learn anything about it. Kind of like the Phil X videos. You don't get to learn ANYTHING about the axes. I would actually rather not play at all and just give the history on the stuff, but....some folks like hearing them. We're cool!

[@BabyBoomerChannel]

Thanks Scott - you've taught me a lot.

[@gilroylibbs2947]

Scott is 100% right on on the Lacquer (Nitro) issue! has happen to me on ones both factory, and that I have refinished.. some plastics / Rubber hangers etc EAT INTO the Nitro!! And pretty much everything else in this Video as well.

[@jonalesch]

Agree with Glen, Scott. Great advice, and attitude. Just tell it like it is man.

[@groovydjs]

They are used on 90% of all the music you hear today, that or simply a drum machine. People will dance in a second if you simply hit the demo button on a drum machine. Let an acoustic drummer start setting up in a club and start playing a beat and they'll tell him to shut up so they can hear the ball game. The drummers that don't like electronic kits are the ones sitting at home on the weekends while the other folks are out gigging. I'm just outside of Las Vegas, Electronic EVERYWHERE.

[@groovydjs]

No on this video my friend. I focus on one thing for about 5 minutes each.....so, that's even better than stretching each point out. So, just come on back and watch a little bit at a time. I just didn't want to make 30 different videos to cover these points. Many thanks again my man! Scott

[@groovydjs]

Peterson continue to make the best tuners around. Their Strobe tuners were the most accurate and I wouldn't trust anything less when it comes to setting your intonation and such. The little needle tuners and so on just get you in the ball park....so, you want something a lot better for setups.