GuliKit KK3 Max Review-$80 Hall Effect Pro Controller (Almost Perfect)

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Correction: I say a few times in the video "RGB". The lighting is actually a static bluish white color and can't be changed but can be dimmed and turned completely off.

[@Blazko381]

link for this adapters, converters?

[@schaffermatthew1]

Hey please check out the controllers for the onexplayer 2 with the adapter I would like to see your review for it

[@Leader36912]

Question does the motion sensor works on this controller when playing FPS games on Xbox series X/S when using the wingman converter?

[@adrianmolinaiii1355]

YOU MEAN THE LGBTQ LIGHTS! HAHAHA XD

[@COLOFIDUTI]

Gamer Heaven you talked about the dpad being no Bueno for fighting games, what controller do you recomend with a dpad for fighting and retro games?could you recomend me the best ( spared no expenses 🦕) and a cheap option?

[@SonicMilio]

My birthday is actually next week, February 4th. This review, paired with the release of this controller gives me just enough time to get this controller for myself!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Love that

[@Demon29999]

Me too! Twins

[@xenondestiny]

​@@Demon29999me too, triplets

[@mohammadosman1474]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial could you make a video for the best custom controller for a ps5 thats for 100 dollars ?

[@mrdurden180]

I have literally been waiting on you to test this gamepad since I 1st heard it announced ..MONTHSSS .. ago ... Glad to know it was worth the wait !!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That makes me happy to hear

[@mrdurden180]

Their website advertises it too

[@melon1979]

Don’t buy it. The triggers dead zone is extremely high!!!!!!! You can’t change it. Thumbs dead zone you can go raw mode or 10% like only. Nothing else to choose from.

[@TheAbdID]

Source? ​@@melon1979

[@Adam-pk7go]

@@melon1979most games that need precise analog stick output offer in game deadzone adjustment now

[@Chrish1981]

I just decided to order one, you're videos are still as close to being in the store and it's much appreciated like always brother!

[@lina4469]

How you liking the controller so far?

[@Chrish1981]

@@lina4469 I like it, it feels kinda cheap but it feels solid, battery life isn't great but I turn the RGB off to help, I'd say get it but wait for a sale!

[@MasterKittenGirl]

Gullikit should make a PlayStation controller I would instantly buy.

[@tonylolu]

they won't, Sony doesn't like third parties.

[@soobok13]

Does this work on Xbox?

[@tonylolu]

@@soobok13 using goku adaptor (about 15 dlls) yes.

[@antoniozepeda8684]

@tonylolu How is your performance?, do you have decrements?, how is the latency with respect to aiming?

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

I’d like some PlayStation buttons, too. Already includes Nintendo/Xbox style buttons.

[@xtrasweet8890]

THE BEST INTRO OF ALL KZbinRS AND all your intro and vids are the BEST been following you since the beginning

[@joseandresgonzalez7258]

I got this controller and I could say it's the best money I spent on a controller with this many features and this many innovations

[@SofaKingA]

Still working well?

[@tylerclogan]

Your intro alone made me hit the like button! Love the vid, keep up the great work!

[@drabbster]

Well, even before watching this: THANK YOU!

[@davidoakley7609]

I love your brutally honest reviews

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you David

[@frankhanna3855]

Oh Captain My Captain.....WOWZA....just another in-depth stellar review. Hitting all the marks and answering all the stallion's and stallionette's questions even before we knew we had them!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thanks Frank!

[@kerim_og_9378]

this is ridiculous, you tested like 500 controllers but still don’t know that the first outlier of your overclock (that fucks up your averages) is because you always start the xinput test before you spin the stick. Spin the controller first BEFORE you start xinput, because as soon as you start the Programm, it starts counting the time. And you always take like 3 seconds to get the controller in your hand and spin it. Again. Spin FIRST. This is something I’ve found out after 1 test, how can you still not check that you’re doing wrong after so many controllers bro that’s insane

[@merciless972]

Great review, your gulikit 2 video is what made me a fan of your channel

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you, that’s awesome to hear

[@the_pentah00k58]

The review I was waiting the most

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

here it is

[@elishaduncan2479]

I be waiting on this review captain im really thinking about getting it for real thanks for the video.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@JC_Denton_What_a_shame]

@GamerHeavenOfficial To prevent from having those massive outliers at the start, try spinning the sticks before you start the X-input app. This does require you to either spin the stick one handed (I lay the controller on my table and spin the analog stick with one hand) or you could use a macro to start the X-input app automatically after a few seconds while you're doing your two-handed technique.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Smart

[@alexveres7339]

@j.c.denton8735 Hey, can you tell me what happens if you stop spinning the stick and start to spin again? I am curious that the controller has a huge delay every time when you let the stick and move it again.

[@setone28ua]

@@alexveres7339 maybe or would show correctly in process, but to be real, program shows 3000+ ms, it is more than 3sec, it's way too unrealistic, but i will try it later, I also have kk3, but with one broken stick, but it's not a problem for this test

[@cujoman187]

I was going to suggest the same thing lol

[@setone28ua]

@@alexveres7339 if spinning from before start there is almost no delay Outliers: 177 / 4000 Top 10 Outliers: 9.90 ms, 9.89 ms, 7.90 ms, 4.89 ms, 4.88 ms, 4.87 ms, 3.90 ms, 3.90 ms, 3.90 ms, 3.90 ms Min 0.501200 ms - Max 9.898900 ms - Jitter 0.039983 ms Average 1.261094 ms - Polling Rate 792.962600 Hz If starting and stopping while testing there is some Outliers: 125 / 4000 Top 10 Outliers: 42.88 ms, 39.90 ms, 32.90 ms, 29.89 ms, 26.88 ms, 25.88 ms, 19.90 ms, 19.89 ms, 14.89 ms, 12.89 ms Min 0.524700 ms - Max 42.884200 ms - Jitter 0.147081 ms Average 1.172235 ms - Polling Rate 853.070979 Hz

[@AsterDaishi]

Thank you for the great review! It convinced me to pull the trigger on this gamepad. I'm not an expert by any mean (in fact this is the first non-stock gamepad I bought) but I did want to share a couple of thoughts about it. First and foremost what is mentioned at 17:17 which is that the left side actuates before the right by about half of a centimeter (5mm). I decided to measure this myself by placing the controller in my 3d printer in such a way that the X-axis gantry would press both triggers equally, then measure within the machine's software the amount the gantry moved towards the controller before the click is registered. I took multiple measurements and while there indeed is a considerable amount of travel before the click, and while one side does actuate before the other, on my controller the left side would actuate only ~0.2mm before the right side. Perhaps that was a defect on the controller that was reviewed in the video, or maybe gulikit released a hardware revision to address the issue? While I was at it, I also tested the triggers when set to "hall effect analog trigger" using the same method. In this mode I was able to measure a ~2mm deadzone (measured at the very end of the trigger) between the moment the triggers begin moving and the moment a value begins to be detected by the controller. That said, L and R trigger are also very consistent between each other, with the LT and RT values returned by gamepad tester being exactly identical most of the time given the same travel distance, and having at most a 0.02 difference sometimes. Another thing, at 30:07 it's mentioned the thumbstick caps aren't swappable, however although this feature isn't advertised anywhere, they are indeed replaceable. The thumbsticks caps are mounted on a hexagonal pin, and can be removed by gently pulling them away from the controller. Although there is no official replacement specifically for the kk3 at this time, reddit users report that the kk2 replacement sticks sold on the gulikit website fit the kk3 as well, and are available in longer and shorter variants. About the thumb stick calibration, my controller's was pretty bad out of the box, with the right stick having a slight offset towards down-left, but running the calibration fixed it. It's also worth noting that if you're updating your controller's firmware to the current latest version (v4.7 as of right now), gulikit suggests in the instructions to run a stick calibration after updating. The latest versions of the firmware add a couple features as well among bugfixes, like one additional level of vibration intensity and some more lighting effects. Last (and probably less important) I wanted to mention a couple things about the included plastic case, which is mentioned very briefly. The case itself has a notch on the back which allows you to charge the controller while it's stored inside it, and on the top is printed a quick mnemonic of some button combinations detailed in the guide to change the controller's settings. What kinda sucks about the case is that its shape doesn't account for the presence of the back paddles (the mould was likely just reused from the gulikit kk2). So unless you plan to use your controller without the rear paddles installed, or are willing to remove them and store them separately every time you put away the controller, the case will likely see very limited use.

[@petererk8064]

Late to the party, but have to say this is equally entertaining and informative. Def 11/10, repeat 11/10. You've got to be in the top 1% of, not gaming channels, but YT channels.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Better late than never lol. In all seriousness thank you so much for the compliment

[@CUBEoneVX]

Sorry, but that usb C cable is not lackluster, it is extremely good, its great quality and its FUCKING LOOOOOOOONG.

[@obijon731]

How long

[@CMG02]

I have it, it's a normal USB c cable

[@CUBEoneVX]

@@CMG02 long usb c cable doesnt feel extremely cheap.

[@CMG02]

@@CUBEoneVX yes, but it is lackluster, most controllers come with a high quality one, this in is nothing but average. It's okay for 80 bucks but he was just pointing that bit out so no one was disappointed

[@legenjerry96]

I honestly wasn’t going to like and subscribe but that intro had me hooked you earned that shit my guy merry Christmas

[@migzy22]

Awesome in-depth review, as always. Been thinking of getting this but the lack of clicky mechanical buttons and, that pre-travel on triggers is a bummer. Currently, I'm rockin' the Easysmx x10 as my daily. It has less features than the KK3 but it's pretty hard to beat at 50$. Thanks again, man.

[@1stjohn478]

I can't choose between Gamesir t4 Cyclone pro amd Easysmx mechanic master x10. How was the controller? Hiw long have been using it?

[@migzy22]

Can't speak about the Cyclone Pro, sorry. Been almost a month since I used the X10. So far, no issues encountered yet. I also don't have a large collection of controllers but the X10's sticks have the smoothest rotations from controllers I've used, by far. (I have DS3, DS4, Dual Sense, XB 1, XB 360, KK2 Pro, SN30 Pro + and NS Pro)

[@cujoman187]

Gamesir G7 SE is a very good controller to consider as well!

[@1stjohn478]

@@cujoman187 it's always sold out or out of stock in my country

[@theguiltyflea5891]

pre travel is easily fixed with a shim. and the kk2 clicky buttons are able to be swapped in

[@quattroconcept4]

Mine arrives this Friday. Can't wait to test it.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

nice bro

[@SofaKingA]

What do you think?

[@jabronichief374]

FYI The Gulikit Goku adapter works on this controller just like the KK2. I have been using it on Xbox with 'X-input' no problem. The Brook XB2 adapter was only pairing in Bluetooth mode (as stated in the video) which was way laggy in comparison. Seeing that the Goku adapter is normally just $20, it is a great essential add-on if you want to use this controller on either Xbox or PlayStation.

[@seanobreezy]

The mayflash magic x adapter works as well.

[@123hgh]

Can you feel the difference in latency compared to using on pc

[@burakutkanuyan2541]

There is a goku video on this channel which he claims no you do not feel anything if you are not crazy competetive ​@@123hgh

[@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307]

Straight up pairing? No remote play or having to play ps4 game on ps5?

[@boricuajr84]

I couldn't connect this to my xbox with the goku adapter. Literally arrived 2 days ago and can't get my KK3 Max to connect on xbox. Idk what I'm doing wrong... I have a regular xbox controller on the adapter turned on. Press to connect wireless to the kk3 max on windows mode, flashes, but turns off like it's not connecting.

[@OnePieceTheoretiker]

Is the Goku Adapter the best option for console compatibility for the KK3 Max?

[@Badget007]

Finally, this controller has been reviewed. I want this controller when I got my money but at the same time, Flydigi Vader 3 Pro got a huge discount so I'm on the fence what to get

[@maverichz]

Flydigi mecha buttons are just so good. Much better than my razer wolverine. Recently my apex 2 got double click issue after 2 years. I know that this is the risk of using mouse switches. But i still ordered vader 3 as replacement cuz of how good the buttons are. Hope this one can last longer

[@Badget007]

@@maverichz i do hope the discount on the controller is still there when I get my money. I really want a capable controller for both pc and mobile

[@avaraz6941]

The Vader 3 Pro is known to have weak centering springs, that causes drift (yeah, in a Hall effect stick, go figure), So I wouldn't buy it. Way Overhyped for what it is.

[@maverichz]

@@avaraz6941 Yea, i know about it, QC issue happened to some ppl. But aside from drift, the buttons quality is not overhype. I own several controllers and the button feels of Flydigi mecha buttons are way above any others including Razer mecha buttons.

[@NeophyteG]

This is my first time watching your channel and that intro was everything. 😂

[@Zwim]

There are quite a few latency issues reported on Reddit about it. Polling rate =! Latency response. What this means is that it's consistent but the delay is about 15ms from each of those 1000 inputs, which is terrible.

[@melon1979]

Plus extremely high triggers dead zone! Feels like 30% I returned this controller very disappointed. Other fact is thumbs dead zone. You have 2 options. One is raw 0 and second 10% feels like. It is a big gap. When people start to use it they will find out it is not worth it

[@Jinkle]

The guy just said it’s 1ms… so I guess Reddit is wrong ?

[@itspodin]

input delay does not equal polling rate. Normally they are related, but not always 1:1 @@Jinkle

[@TrVx_]

So what's a good controller with good input latency?

[@SnoozMr]

I've been waiting for this thank you

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

No problem

[@Zmann966]

Awesome! Been waiting to hear your thoughts on the KK3! Almost as long as I've been waiting for the damn thing to come out!

[@kanawati]

You can swap the thumb sticks. They sell replacements with different sizes.

[@jinx20001]

i suspect he meant hot swap, you need to take the controller apart to swap sticks unlike the buttons. That differs from say an xbox elite controller where they are hot swappable.

[@kanawati]

@@jinx20001 I'm still waiting for mine to arrive but I've seen videos of people just pulling off the sticks to replace them with taller ones. Unfortunately it is not as easy as the elite controller since they don't have magnets on kk3 but it is definitely an option. No need to disassemble anything.

[@jinx20001]

@@kanawati I have the controller in front of me mate, you can’t pull the caps off without taking it apart unfortunately. My controller came with thumbstick toppers in the box to add on so shouldn’t be much reason to change them anyway unless you don’t want to use stick toppers. But yeh, for sure can’t pull them off.

[@jinx20001]

bro... holy crap i was wrong lol i just was not pulling it hard enough, im used to the elite 2 controller so i assumed when pulling the stick that when it didnt come off easy it must not be removable... well crap i was wrong, i seen another review of the controller and there it was, he pulled the sticks off, i was like what the hell and pulled a bit harder and they are swappable haha... so my bad, you were right indeed!!

[@ImperialGit]

Just got mine today! I'm no connoisseur of controllers, but initial impressions based on feel and options is very good. I usually only play keyboard and mouse, but for those rare occasions I do feel like I need a controller, this seems like the perfect fit.

[@Quaxdd456]

Hey just wondering how is it still holding up im thinking of buying one

[@Dojaycat]

I will 10000% buying one! Thanks a for the amazing review!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Hope you enjoy it Dojay

[@SofaKingA]

Did you buy one yet? What are your thoughts?

[@Dojaycat]

@@SofaKingA I did get one. I love everything about it, but the triggers the trigger stops broke two weeks in.

[@SofaKingA]

@@Dojaycat Yeah I heard there were some QC issues with it so I held off. Then I realized learning controller for call of duty is damn hard after playing MnK for decades so I returned the controllers I bought anyway. Thanks for the feedback!

[@enixine1266]

Just got it on sale for 63$! Thanks for an amazing review, just found your channel, dropping a sub. Amazing.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@user-nu5jw6dj7f]

Just got this thing from an auction site for $10.64 (it was an Amazon return). It’s never been opened. It seems identical to my elite 2 but the remapping on the fly is awesome. Great controller and review.

[@xploh3135]

I want to love this controller but I've had some glaring issues with mine within 50ish hours of use. I only play Rocket League with the controller and I am maybe a bit rougher with my controllers than a casual player but I still take care of my electronics. The first problem I noticed was that the analog sticks would start to come off during play. You can pull them off yourself but they shouldn't be coming off just from heavy use. So I find myself pushing them down frequently to keep them in place. I've considered glueing or putting loctite on the stem to secure them but haven't resorted to that yet. The other major issue I have just noticed today is that the rear buttons have already start to become mushy and are now getting stuck in the actuated position. This is the worst part because I really liked the placement of the half-domes and the feedback from using them but unfortunately the rear buttons were not designed to last. If you plan on using the rear buttons a lot I would not recommended this controller. I love everything else about the controller and have had no other issues but I will have to return mine because it was not built for someone that games a lot.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thanks a ton for sharing your experience! 50 hours with this controller is a lot

[@xploh3135]

Yeah honestly it's probably closer to low 40ish hours, but I do play a lot. I might try and get a replacement and try once more because I really enjoy the Hall Effect sensors. I think maybe my stick issue is a QA problem but I think the switches on the rear are doomed to fail quickly, especially if you are holding down the paddles/half-domes while you play (I have boost and air roll bound on my paddles which are actions I often hold for an extended time)@@GamerHeavenOfficial

[@Mirage046]

I dont know if you already know or if someone already mentioned. But the reason you got the stickdrift out of the box is because the zero deadzone mode is turned on. I dont know why they did not include this setting in the manual. But the way you turn it on or off is the hold the wheel icon (as with every option) and the the suare icon thing , the left most button down in the middle. Your deadzone settings wil switch to -0.00002 or perfect deadzone inputs. I got mine via ali express and some resellers ship them with 6 additionele thumbstick heights.

[@q3triad910]

The input delay both wired and wireless sucks. Not polling rate, input delay

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

The Jim not the jam is what you’re saying

[@q3triad910]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial polling rate /= input lag

[@purebaldness]

Being a fellow Quake player, I'll take your word for it. Did you use it for PC? I was looking for a high end pro controller for Switch.

[@kkonstant31]

@@purebaldness what did you end up doing?

[@purebaldness]

@@kkonstant31 Flydigi Vader 3 or something like that. To be honest I haven't used it much but the build quality etc seems ok. A little awkward with 2 of the 4 back buttons being hard to access but 4 back buttons for Switch is rare anyhow. Input lag wireless aint great, so I take the extra frame lag penalty in wired mode (Switch is weird like that). This means that the Switch Pro controller in wireless mode still produces the lowest input lag I have access to. Basically I use the Switch Pro controller unless if the game warrants back paddles - such as Doom Eternal. But Switch has higher input lag no matter what really. Edit: I haven't used it enough to judge it's quality beyond a surface level. The thumbsticks seemed ok. Large deadzones are inherent to the console. It might be a great controller for PC? I wouldn't know.

[@john_punch]

26:21 - This problem with the first measurement is solved in another program that makes measurements using the same method, unfortunately the link cannot be left because KZbin has been deleted. Name in the next comment.

[@john_punch]

Gamepadla 1.0.9

[@jerookaskeroo28]

Your reviews are the most entertaining. ❤🎉

[@skymodz]

0:17 just started the video let’s see if this controller is worth buying💪🏽, i currently am looking for a new controller to use for my fighting games i use the victrix ps5 controller

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

it is Skymodz, although not for fighting games, the dpad is pretty ass

[@waltgrace1967]

Thank you so much for this video kind stranger. At last I can stop buying a new controller every 3 months!

[@ribbz22]

I like the half-domes up top and the smaller paddles on the bottom. But with that said I don't map stuff to the half-domes that I use very much and intentionally want them a bit harder to press to avoid accidental presses.

[@nxthh]

I've never seen a channel that goes this deep into reviewing a controller

[@ZATlVA]

Love your videos! next video on the FlyDigi Apex 4 please 😂

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

I got you!

[@jefftaylor9250]

Just received mine, I did notice that on your complaint about the rear paddles, you can swap the paddles to the opposite side so the cutout faces up, they don't stick out as far from the controller. It feels much better to me that way. I was also wondering how you would compare this to the vader 3 pro, which seems to have many similar features for the same $.

[@jefftaylor9250]

Well, answering my own question, I feel like my Vader 3 pro is a MUCH better controller than the kk3. Actual mechanical buttons, sticks are the only redeeming quality for the kk3, but the Vader sticks are still really good. I prefer having software so kk3 on board programming just isn't good enough. So for me, I'm keeping the Vader 3 pro and if your looking for an $80 pro controller the Vader 3 pro seems to be the best option out currently for me as a PC gamer.

[@redeyerob2176]

@@jefftaylor9250I have been looking at both and prefer the look of the Gulikit, the vader looks so cheap, will also be used just on the pc and am really just looking for good hall effect joysticks, do you also have a vader?

[@AlucardsShadows]

​@@jefftaylor9250thanks for answering yourself! I'm doing research on KK3 to decide between that and the GameSir Cyclone 2, and figured the comments would surely have someone with a previous GameSir controller that could help make my mind up. The fact that older GameSir controllers are still better (not just your opinion but plenty of others I've seen), is enough to make me glad I am ordering the newest of their controllers. If an old one can beat the KK3, then the newest one definitely can. Thanks and have a great evening.

[@pearlthobejane3450]

Finally I have been waiting for a good controller that's also affordable

[@giorgiobello9713]

This actually does have swappable thumbstick, just really hard to pull off. On aliexpress where i bought it they gave me replacement thumbsticks of different length for free

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

They pop off like the Vader but have no included options from Amazon.

[@Russ_uk]

I popped mine off today and put on the two included rubber thumb stick grips one purple and one red 🤷🏻‍♂️ but decided to try my playvital grips for ps5 Xbox switch pro ect and they fit very snug with a bit of elbow grease 👍🏻

[@BDC_Loot_Goblin]

Loved the vid as always! I’m rocking a razer raiju which I use for fps as it’s super responsive (stick wise) with 0 drift, an Elite series 2 for action/adventure or more casual games (seriously the most comfortable and good looking controller I’ve owned and love the customisation/profile options) and I have a flydigi Vader 3 pro on the way ❤ Loving the looks of this one too!

[@dm8764]

20:00 definitely a comfort/preference thing. I have diffusion April and the back buttons are really uncomfortable because they're right onto the shell of the controller I just see like I'm reaching too far & it causes discomfort. The dome paddles on the KK3 look perfect imo

[@kingstondizzgaming]

Intro rhymes alone earned my sub! Lol🔥

[@setone28ua]

i am waiting for replacement of my KK3. Hall effect sensor on right stick or control chip or maybe something else was broken. It won't even calibrate lol. QC on this one isn't that great, maybe it's because of first batch for pre orders. But you are wrong about stick caps, they are hot swapable and replaceble. Gulikit sells them separately. Also u can set -0.00002 dead zone by pressing gear + square with circle

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you for sharing

[@rgp205]

I really just wish that the controller case had the room for the back paddles to stay ON! Crazy that you have to remove them everytime you want to put the controller away

[@Nightowlchemy]

hard to imagine not using my scuff envision but this has had my eye for a bit

[@CLC1620]

How do you like the envision? Do you have the pro or regular

[@kevingauvreau2156]

Amazing review! Love your content!

[@84jdgregory]

I pre-ordered mine yesterday. I have the 2 and it's awesome.

[@politicallyincorrect633]

Gotta say I have been extremely impressed with this controller, especially at it's price point of $80. Been using it for the last few days, I would say I like it as much if not more than my elite 2 and battle beaver custom controllers. Wish the trigger stops had a little less travel, and if I'm nitpicking the bend on the bottom two paddles is slightly odd, but it doesn't impact my comfort or gaming at all. The sticks feel great and the controller is very responsive overall. Thanks for the review. BTW I got it on Aliexpress because I was tired of waiting for it on Amazon. Got it in about two weeks and everything is fine but I would have rather went the Amazon route as the seller there seems to be very active on Reddit and appears to offer really good customer support.

[@j1nftw1n]

I wanted so much to like this controller but the back paddle just isnt nearly as comfortable as the elite series 2 with scuf paddles.

[@Gidrah]

Compared to the Vader 3 Pro how much worse are the mouse triggers? Also would you say the thumbstick tension is similar to the vader, more, or less?

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

way worse. very similar, can't tell a difference honestly

[@neovssmith19]

I could hear your thumbnail thanks for the dose of nostalgia 😄

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That’s what I was goin for lol.

[@GibbyYT]

Would be really cool if you did a controller tier list! One for PC, Xbox, PlayStation and Switch. Or whichever way you think is best to organize it.

[@SHINYAFRONINJA]

If they fix the d pad it would be damn near flawless. I have a pro 2 and love it, only issues I've had after about a year and a half of heavy use is connectivity and comfort. For some reason it would would only connect to my switch and no one else's. No issues on pc. The way I hold the controller rubs and grinds into my left middle finger and it hurts after long sessions. I'll definitely be picking one of these up, looks like a sick upgrade.

[@_Data_]

Comparing my KK3 to my Vader 3 Pro... Pros: 1. Really like the turbo and macro functions on the KK3 and how they can quickly be enabled on the controller. 2. The sticks are obviously great and extremely accurate, sensitive, with no jitter. 3. It looks good in grey and the lighting looks good too. 4. The polling rate is twice as fast as the V3 Pro. Cons: 1. The polling rate barely matters because the actual input latency is much higher than the V3 Pro when using the dongle or bluetooth (33ms!). It seems like the controller has a delay before sending the signal. A polling rate test wont show this issue. 2. The KK3 doesn't connect to the dongle roughly 1 in 8 times when turning it on. Other people also have this problem. 3. It randomly takes 3 - 8 seconds to connect with the dongle, where as the V3 Pro always connects in under 1 second. It's faster than any other controller i've used. 4. The trigger buttons feel pretty cheap, especially when they're locked. It almost feels more like the triggers are stuck when locked, rather than something that's intentional. It also feels like the plastic inside that locks them in place is about to break. It's not sturdy. They also travel too far when locked. 5. Shoulder buttons feel a little mushy. 6. The paddles stick out way too much (as shown in this vid) and i prefer the V3 Pro integrated back buttons over paddles because paddles are never as comfortable. 7. D-pad is mediocre for fighting games or anything similar. It's mushy, too small and uses the objectively inferior plus (+) shape (compared to the circular D-pad on the V3 Pro). It's usable but the V3 Pro is just so vastly superior in this area. 8. Doesn't have 6 face buttons like on the V3 Pro (C and Z), which again impacts its performance with fighters. 9. The + and - buttons are an awkward shape and too small, especially the minus button. 10. No software. I like how many features you have on the controller itself, but it also needs software for more advanced control. 11. The V3 Pro feels slightly more comfortable (but this is subjective). 12. The V3 Pro definitely chargers faster. 13. The KK3 is almost twice as expensive, yet it's clearly worse. So i've now returned my KK3... I'll probably just get a Vader 4 Pro whenever that comes out.

[@T--800]

Very useful info! Cheers.

[@ohjaysimpson397]

Bro. Good info. My trigger broke on the kk3 max. Looking for another brand now. I did like the accuracy on the kk3 vs the old kk. Was it because of the polling rate? I don't know what to buy now. I play R6. Looking for a good one for pixel peeking.

[@adrianmolinaiii1355]

Wait I’ve been watching ya vids but now I’m subscribed 😂😂😂

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Now it’s official

[@michaelgilbert973]

By the way @Gamer Heaven, the paddles are labelled veryyy tiny near the bit that goes into the controller.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

My old eyes 👀 didn’t notice at first

[@mtbrdly]

I'm still using my Guliking King Kong Pro 2, it has been awesome. When I upgrade I'll definitely switch to this one.

[@cujosandlot8233]

Just bought mine excited 🎉🎉🎉

[@sausagesausagesausage]

You can start the xinput test while spinning the thumb stick to avoid the outlier.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Good to know 👍🏼

[@Azureskies01]

Just got mine a week or so ago and I would say it is one of the best controllers I have ever tried (in my limited selection as I don't review them for a youtube channel :P). The only "issue" I would point out is the triggers (R2/L2) are spongy when in trigger mode and when in mechanical mode the distance needed to hit them issssss "alright" but it is a bit too much for proper feel imo. Other than that so far I have had zero issues or concerns with the pad itself. Remapping the back buttons could be a touch simpler to do as it often turns on the "turbo" function of the button you are mapping to the back but turning that off is simple enough. gamepad tester reads the sticks as 0.0 error rate on both, all buttons can be hit and dont feel sticky like the kingkong pro 2's face buttons are. Overall really nice controller.

[@TommieLSP]

if you start spinning the thumbstick before you open xinput test, you don't get that outlier. just tested it myself and had over a 900 polling rate

[@ShadesGameSource]

I just got my KK3 Max in the mail and tested it out for a little bit. It IS an awesome controller, but my one maaaajor, deal-breaker gripe is that the back paddles stick out way too much. You hold the controller in place by wrapping your fingers around the two handles. The back paddles force your ring/pinky fingers away from the handles quite a bit. Also, the plastic on the controller does feel pretty good, but there's no kind of rubberized grippiness on the handles at all. These two things add up to a pretty loose grip on the controller, unfortunately. Without the paddles, I can grip the controller just fine, and everything else feels great, but that's a major loss of functionality. Also, ZL/ZR when set to digital are just okay... not great. I also had my small-handed girlfriend try the controller, and she said she would only use the controller without any back paddles. There are so many things this controller does right, but at the end of the day, if it's not comfortable to hold/use... I'm not going to enjoy using it. I've briefly owned an Elite Series 2 Core controller with back paddles (that I bought separately), and that controller is, for my medium-sized hands, ergonomic perfection. ...I returned it to Amazon immediately because it kept on giving me missed/double inputs, but WHEN IT ACTUALLY WORKS... it's glorious.

[@JoeSmith-kv8iw]

idk what you're doing when your holding the controller.. but its the most comfortable controller I've held in a long time. maybe use the 2 smaller paddles at the top which will help you hold the controller. Kinda confusing with your comment because it feels the exact same as any other controller but even better because you use the paddles as grip now instead of the controller it self...

[@YouTomist]

When doing the firmware update be careful to press the "real" A button. I bricked my controller with the update presumably because I changed the layout and pressed the B button. I got it working again by letting it charge fully and double pressed all the buttons (one after the other). I somewhere read that that initiates the restart in a forum about another Gulikit product. I hope this helps someone to safe the day. Problem: My controller could not be turned on and was making an electronical pitch sound. The reset button hole was not helping (also not opening and disconnecting the battery). Completely bricked besides connecting to the PC with the AGP + A button was still possible. So without success I tried to flash the firmware a few times...

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

That’s crazy

[@kuroyami6289]

I wish they made one with symmetrical design like the Dualshock controllers. How much resistance do the triggers have? I play racing games a lot with controllers and I prefer heavy triggers which.

[@warx23]

Just got mine today, you can swap the thumbsticks out, just takes a little bit of force to pop them off. Amazon has replacement thumbsticks that include the taller right thumbstick.

[@Mark-mu4pj]

Thanks for the video,.For $80 is a damn good controller, fast/responsive sticks, looks great too, hopefully for their next controller the dpad, trigger stops and back paddles will be that bit better, other than that i agree for 80 it's definitely a buy for anyone.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Hey Mark. Hope You’ve been doing good. Yeah it’s a a great controller that won’t shred your wallet

[@michaelgilbert973]

Looking for a way to make wired connection/adapter work with MacOS, but the controller seems great so far.

[@Rustydude2030]

Damn. Kind of a bummer about the triggers and the back paddles being subpar. Was gonna pick this up but think I'm gonna stick with my elite series 2. Wouldn't it be suuuuuuper dope if one or two of these companies just sent you a prototype to test and give feedback on before going into full production? This one seems so close to the goal of all the desired pro controller features for < $100. Just fix the weirdo triggers and a few degrees on the paddles. Nothing major just a couple tweaks and boom. Perfect.

[@capnm0istbeard441]

I'm finding after switching from my elite series 2 the criticism of the back paddles on the guli kit is a more than picky. If you use ring finger for the bottoms and middle for the top its very similar to elite. For $80 with hall effect sticks (0 deadzone) and only 1ms input delay, shits fire. Of course the elite paddles feel better but its not uncomfortable like all the youtube reviews make it seem.

[@REZZY_404]

This would have been awesome if it was also a officially licensed controller for Xbox as well, I would've picked this up ASAP. Awesome review, keep up the great work! 👌

[@chriscastillo291]

Will it work with Xbox, Sirius X with the 2.4? Dongle that it comes with

[@bladerc8362]

Finally but can you also do the flydigi apex 4 review please

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Yes

[@Jamesbond22855]

I had a defective kingkong pro 2 stick, it had drift and it squeaked/creaked and vibrated for a while before the drift started. I contacted their support email, mentioned I was capable of soldering a new stick on since they're identical to replacing any other stick. They replied quickly, and sent me a replacement part for free, they didn't even ask for a purchase date, a picture of the controller, or anything. I had also experienced a weird issue with a joycon stick from them, where it would move from left to right incredibly quickly when viewed in the Switches joystick calibration page. I mentioned it in my correspondence with the customer service person, and they sent me one of these for free, as well. 10/10 customer service in my opinion, I've never had such a simple experience getting parts from a company before. I'll most likely buy this controller as well due to how they handled those issues

[@theguiltyflea5891]

great thorough review. but you say multiple times that it doesn't have swappable thumb stick caps, it indeed does have swappable thumb stick caps. just pull the off

[@NsureU]

Since you have every controller know to man can you have a breakdown best controller for PC. That has best sticks, paddles, specs, pull, lowest lag, I’ve gone down the deep end looking for it and I don’t trust other reviewers. You’ve never let me down.

[@tandemrotor1]

The thumb stick caps ARE swap-able. In fact, the thumb sticks for the KK2 actually DO fit. It's a little snug. You've gotta push pretty hard to seat them, but they do interchange. Unfortunately, they've been out of stock on Amazon for several months. Also, the KK3 does have a "Dead Zone Mode", and it's enabled the same way it is on the KK2. Press the gear/cog button and the capture button, to enable/disable. While the dead zone on the KK2 is huge, (and thus undesirable) on the KK3 it's tiny (I'd say it's perfect). When you release the sticks, you will see all zeros on Gamepad Tester. But as soon as you touch either stick, the input registers. So, for KK2 I say no dead zone mode. But for KK3 you want it enabled. And for some reason, there is no mention of this mode in the KK3 manual.

[@GrimAdventures.]

Welp this was all I need to know. I'll have to pick this up. Thanks for the intel on this one. Looks like it gets me damn close to my Xbox elite series 2.

[@nightskyerecords]

Love this review, just ordered the controller. But please put a correction for xbox compatibility because Microsoft have blocked the use of any unauthorized adapters on it's consoles. This includes the Brook Wingman XB and XB2. I own the XB2 personally and it doesn't work on xbox anymore. Though I'm not sure if the firmware has been updated to try and get around that.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

I literally just used the XB2 for a review (every controller review)

[@nightskyerecords]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial Really? Thanks for the info. That means the XB2's firmware must have been updated. I couldn't get it working with my xbox since the update that xbox pushed out to disable the adapters. I actually really am grateful for this information as it means I should be able to use mine again.

[@nightskyerecords]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial Any idea why the issue that I mentioned might still happen. It says that my XB2 will be "blocked from use" from May 9th 2024 onwards.

[@lennieleng9679]

​@@nightskyerecordslet us know what happens, could you also let us know if it still works wired with xbox

[@nightskyerecords]

@@lennieleng9679 Any kind of unauthorized adapters like the brook wingman XB, XB2, etc. won't work at all after May 9th 2024 according to Microsoft.

[@mindinversions4487]

Now all we need is a symetrical stick version, and I'll be happy. [I play FFXIV, The dpad above is a lot more accessible during moving w/ the left stick vs asymetrical.

[@AG-xz7ne]

Had 2 of these controllers and they both developed broken back buttons where they are permanently caved in. If you are dropping inputs using the controller in 1000hz get a quality type C cable usually 16$ and above.

[@odlaw]

8:53 The switches are mechanical. These are GuiliKit's second gen mechanical switches. the 1st gen ones are rated for 50 million clicks. Not sure what these ones are rated for but I'd say at least the same as the 1st gen ones. I can't find info on their second gen ones on their site. But they have they're 1st gen ones available on their product page. And even in the landing page for the KK3 Max it lists it as having mechanical switches for the action buttons.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

They feel membrane

[@odlaw]

Oh 100% they do feel like membrane. I think the claim “mechanical” because it disassembles and has. Spring and button with actuation point. Instead of the normal membrane and switch layout. It for sure sounded gimmicky. Sorry for the comment I just thought it was worth mentioning it. But you are right they do just feel like a membrane switch. And thank you for the follow up video always love to see more of the captain.

[@katanamaru1]

Would you consider comparing this to the Vader 3 Pro? They're both the same price on Amazon, and reddit is split over which one to get.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Yes I have , and I’ll probably make it soon

[@shanechandler356]

I'm using a wolverine ultimate for my Xbox, a Razer Raiju for mobile/Gamepassing on my phone, and (depending on which is most charged when needed) either a Nitho hexa-something-or-other (I very much recommend this inexpensive, lightweight, and highly customizable controller. In the range of $20 to $30, you can't beat it's value) and a Ymir PS4 controller w/ turbo and remapable back buttons.

[@Malinkadink]

I have 2 vanilla dual sense controllers that i swap between as one dies i put the other to charge. One recently started to give massive drift on the left stick where it will go full left tilt in racing games when I'm only applying light adjustments sending me into a wall. I was hopeful Gulikit would have already made modules for the edge controller to use hall effects, but honestly considering the price difference 200 vs 80 and have 4 back buttons vs 2 on top of already using hall effects, the official sony product is really dropping the ball for value. I like the haptic feedback on the dual sense for games that use it well but those are rare.

[@seethruhead7119]

can't remap to anything but existing controller buttons is a deal breaker for PC gaming would be nice if you could mention this for controllers you review

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

What would you like to bind specifically?

[@rolzmusictest2591]

Probably screenshot ​@@GamerHeavenOfficial

[@seethruhead7119]

@@GamerHeavenOfficialkeyboard keys, mouse clicks, layer shifts in steam input hold back button and all the other buttons switch to a different action in steam input or bind l3 + r3 in steam in put to a back button so i can enter dead eye in rdr2 without messing up my aim or in competitive games i can map swan dive to one, and slide to another the possibilities are infinite, but only work on very few controllers (armor x pro, vader 3, dualsense edge, etc

[@merciless972]

​@@GamerHeavenOfficialprobably to close tabs that his mother or preacher wouldn't approve of.

[@CandarianGaming]

Thats the case for most 3rd party gamepads. However flydigi gamepads like the vader 3 pro have total support in reWASD which is awesome.

[@rahndail3863]

The main appeal for me would be the half-dome paddles, which I find very comfortable on the Dualsense Edge. Would you say they fit well on this controller despite the difference in ergonomics as compared to the Edge?

[@Ghost-_-Gav]

To me I feel they do. I found it best to have paddles on the bottom, half domes up top. The half domes are noticeably harder to press in than the paddles, my guess is because they have less leverage but still not bad. I find them comfortable.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Yes they transfer over well

[@Dx-so7jm]

I read that the wireless input latency is actually over 30ms , big difference , i guess the testing seen here is not accurate for controller latency

[@arthurzuin7704]

great review!! will you also bring out a review for the flydigi apex 4? been wondering if i should get the kk3 max or the apex 4

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Cant wait to get my hands on that badboy for review!

[@Baldie_lox]

i am currently watching this while putting on the buttons. I just realized you have your top two back paddles on upside down. if you look on the other side of the metal paddles there is a small engraving telling you where it goes (g1, g3, etc). Just...fwiw

[@nikekaiju]

Finally got mine but the right thumb stick came with errors in gamepad testers. It was doing this weird thing where it wasn’t registering any up and right commands. Such a disappointment. Had to send it back the very next day

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Oh no, sorry to hear that hopefully they get you a replacement

[@nikekaiju]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial ordered another one and it comes in on Monday. Been rocking the gamesir t4 and the sticks feel so good and responsive but missing the trigger stops and extra back paddles so really hoping this controller is it

[@kzyrichm]

Just got my kk3 today, 1st November, 2024. The D-pad is of better quality now. And my sticks make no sound from spinning at full lock.

[@gregs9492]

Here is an idea on how to calculate the polling rate accurately without the outlier. Copy and paste the numbers into a google sheet and run a manual average to eliminate the big outlier.

[@ZacFrazier]

The section on the D-Pad got me thinking, do you have a recommendation for a controller with a great D-Pad? I'm not into fighting games but I emulate enough retro games to be curious. Should I be playing Super Mario Bros 3 with a fight pad?

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thats an easy one, I love the dpad on the vader 3, stealth ultra, elite 2, scuf instinct or envision, almost all the current 8bitdo models. have a good night bro

[@ZacFrazier]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial Bless you for your guidance controller captain 🙏