Gun Gripes

[@TheHipsterGamer]

I hunt with medieval trebuchets to avoid strict regulations

[@Iraqveteran8888]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@assaultspoon4925]

Noob. I hunt with rock. Trebuchets are a crutch for people who missed arm day

[@Tomyironmane]

You SAY that, but I knew a guy who told me about the time they were out on an artillery range and they dropped a round of M107 HE on a target just as a deer was wandering across it. Artillery and Siege Engines do not leave much edible meat when they score a direct hit.

[@Gottaculat]

I need to get a shirt that says on the back, "WARNING: You are now within crusading distance." XD

[@ryanmace8804]

@@Tomyironmane I wish someone got that on video! 😅 I'll bet that was incredible! 😳

[@michaelblacktree]

This is what happens when people who know little about firearms try to regulate them.

[@tikkidaddy]

The 2A should not be regulated

[@antonio97b]

I mean I would imagine it has more to do with these regs being defined prior to these innovations in muzzleloader tech made specifically to fit within the confines of the regs while giving the shooter every possible advantage.

[@jimvandemoter6961]

When it comes to regulators it goes like this, "my mind's made up, don't confuse me with facts."

[@wadolfmunn9264]

m.blacktree 💯

[@ThreeSpeedBikes]

Antonio97b - Exactly so. Many states wrote their regulations at a time when muzzleloaders were most commonly traditional flint or caplock longarms. Some of the arms companies responded shrewdly by designing rifles that technically fit within the letter of the rule, but maybe not so much the spirit. Some states answered the companies by further tightening hunting regs to try to capture only traditional flintlock and caplock longarms again. Though it is also true that, at least in some states, the people writing the gun laws and the hunting regs have a weak (or no) grasp of how muzzleloaders (or modern firearms for that matter) work. That's not to say that "inline" muzzleloading ignition is a new thing - the Hall Rifle is an example of old "inline" ignition. But today's commonly encountered hunting inline muzzleloaders that use center fire primers came about as clever ways around the language of states' regulations.

[@KMBlaster]

I started hunting with a TC Hawken Rifle I built back in 1976, I got ribbed for using a "outdated Primitive Weapon" by my hunting party. And I was the only one to take a deer that year. LOL

[@moorecav213]

Saying it's over a hundred years old doesn't mean much. A 1903 Springfield is over a hundred years old

[@therideneverends1697]

@all_ontario_hunter i mean 30-30 lever actions have been around for what like 120 years?

[@ryanmace8804]

@@therideneverends1697 At least! More like 140!

[@QCutube]

I agree with hunting laws on WMA land, but on my private land, I feel over regulated by the gov on my own land

[@bertbccfu9564]

On my own land as long as I felt I was doing the right thing then I would do it

[@schottiey]

What I like about Pennsylvania's "primitive season" is the book says flintlock only and no scopes, so that makes it easy. Plus during that season your buck tag turns into a doe as well.

[@illiterate.ink.]

So I'm the bad guy cause I hunt with a flamethrower. I'm just being economical

[@ah9167]

They expect us to buy fuel AND ammo? It's all a scam, real men hunt with a trebuchet.

[@illiterate.ink.]

@@ah9167 we should be steeping tea in the ocean. That way we'll have a really big cup of tea

[@Bobbymaccys]

I think black powder and flamethrower season are at different times

[@illiterate.ink.]

@@Bobbymaccys ahhh s*** now ur just being "racist"

[@pepeiann]

Ban gas anything that's makes fire

[@smartacus88]

I get the gripe, i do. However, its really a simple thing to understand. They call it "primitive" because it doesn't use a self contained cartridge. Simple as that. You can load that Snider faster than any In Line High Speed Muzzleloader. Not that complicated guys.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

Yep.

[@reginaldprice5856]

It’s called the kings land Eric. I shoot a .54 cal Southern Tennessee Mountain rifle, flintlock, for the last 35 years. It’s primitive...now compared to a fusie, it’s new. But compared to and percussions, its old school. Grandson took it out this year and got a nice 8 point. His first with a muzzleloader. Now since each state is a little different and they set the rules. It has almost gotten as bad as it was in England, where only the rich land owner or kings men can even hunt. Hasn’t gotten there yet, but it coming close!

[@rexmorgan72]

Yep

[@DuctTapeFan12]

I’m ditching an In-line muzzleloader for percussion cap rifle this year

[@jrshumate4488]

This is one of the better videos over all. Hilarious. Chads sideways glance as if the say "Valid question posed!" hahaha

[@bclayton9610]

In my state you can hunt with crack barrel single shot rifles in primative weapon season if the ammo is .30 caliber and up. So I can hunt with my 45-70 single shot for pretty much the entire hunting season.

[@Xtroll1738]

My main gripe is hunters griping about how other hunters hunt with the exception of those that violate the laws of that season. Hunters complaining about how other hunters are hunting plays right into the hands of the anti-hunters and those that want to end hunting. Disputes between hunters on methods of hunting has been used successfully to get hunting seasons closed by those that want to do away with hunting. So your gripes are hurting more than helping! As to the problem with allowing your Snyder rifle is the fact that it does use a cartridge and once you open that Pandora's box of allowing cartridge loaded rifle, it is a true Pandora's box. To me, I'm not really in favor of even paper cartridge firearms because of it being a quicker system to reload. To me for muzzleloading season it it be loaded from the muzzle. In Michigan where I live, muzzlelosding season takes place after 2 months of archery season and after 15 days of firearm season so the deer have been hunted hard. For many years I hunted with a precussion cap muzzleloader that while modern made was based on an older model. The problem was being muzzleloading season here in Michigan takes place in December was when I was getting a chance at deer (remember they've been heavily hunted already) far too many times I would get a failure to fire because the cap or the powder got damp. December in Michigan is usually cold and damp with either snow or rain. I would tape the end of the barrel but tape doesn't stick real well when it's cold and it doesn't take much to knock it off. Attempts to keep the xap usually failed also. Because of these reasons I did go to a 209 primer ignition muzzleloader. I do limit the powder I use so it is more compareable to an original type muzzleloader. As for the statement that crossbows are much more powerful than a bow, you are wrong. Pound for pound, a bow is more powerful than a crossbow because it shoots a heavier projectile (arrow) and it has a longer power stroke which transmits more energy to the projectile. So in reality the only way that a crossbow is more powerful is by using higher poundage and even by using over double the poundage of a bow, it's only gives it a slightly longer range. A crossbow because of using a lighter bolt does have a flatter trajectory but at longer ranges the arrow with still have more kenitic energy because of the heavier mass.!

[@bobsmith-ru7xp]

Ain't nothing wrong with breaking a few game laws here and there.

[@ryanmace8804]

My crossbow is FAR more powerful than my compound bow! 😳

[@Xtroll1738]

@@ryanmace8804, You may have a heavier draw weight but if you do the math of arrow/bolt speed and arrow/bolt weight for kinetic energy, you will find that because of heavier arrow weight and a longer power stroke of a bow which transmits more energy to the arrow, the arrow will have more kinetic energy than a bolt out of a crossbow.

[@ryanmace8804]

@@Xtroll1738 That makes sense... 🤔 My compound bow is a 65 pound draw, and my crossbow (also compound) I think is like 150 pounds. I bought my crossbow used from a local pawn shop, and it doesn't say what the draw weight is on it... I looked it up when I bought it and I'm pretty sure it said 150... That's almost 3 times the draw weight! It's a frickin' beast, that's for sure! 😅 (I'm an amateur and I'm sure it shows, sorry for my lack of knowledge!)

[@prestonprice3369]

Ooo! Another Gun Gripe! Kinda like "Ooo a piece of candy!"

[@justinriley8651]

like James woods on family guy.

[@camojoe83]

Yea, candy that been half chewed and fell down in the couch 6 weeks ago, now it'sall covered in dead roaches and pubes.

[@ryanmace8804]

Exactly! 😁

[@robertmoody4551]

I agree with you Eric and Chad. my first experience with an "in-line muzzleloader" with a 209 primer was great. It was great hunt, i took a dear at 120 yards, but i expected my bullet to drop some and adjusted my aim accordingly. However, the bullet impacted exactly where I aimed. It did not drop at all. That 285 Gr Barnes full copper projectile carried straight the entire distance being pushed by 150 grains of Prydex. but unfortatly for us here in the Peoples Public of Comifornia we cannot use any lead for any type of hunting. Period.

[@covfefeholyfield6800]

In Missouri it's called "alternative" weapons season. That includes all muzzleloaders, bows, crossbows, atlatls, and even centerfire handguns. I plan on hunting with a 1911 if I hunt during that portion of deer season. When I do use a muzzleloader it's an inline, using triple 7, 209 primers, pushing jacketed bullets. The fact that some are offended by that is just icing on the cake.

[@cephasmartin8593]

I got into black powder with an inline muzzle loader and I love the challenge of having essentially one shot to make a kill. However, I have a scope because I need one. The optic nerve on my right eye was damaged several years ago because of a prostate medication I was prescribed. I would love to use iron sights, but that just isn't possible anymore. Having the challenge of being limited essentially to one shot has made me a better hunter. I used to hunt deer with my trusty old Remington Gamemaster 760 carbine in .30-06. It's a pump gun, so it's faster than a bolt action rifle in the ability of taking a second shot ... or a third shot, which has happened. A few years ago I I bought a second Gamemaster 760 chambered in .270, because I have a torn rotator cuff and I wanted something with a little less kick. However, other than sighting it in, I've never used it because I bought it at the end of one rifle season, but before the next season started I bought my black powder rifle. You keep referring to the season as "primitive" hunting season. Is that what your season is called? If it is, I would think that any "primitive" weapon should be allowed. In Kansas it's called muzzle loader season, so it's limited to muzzle loaders, even my new inline rifle. I know that there are guys who can take a deer from over 100 yards with their muzzle loader, but the longest shot I've ever taken was about 120 yards across a small field at the end of the shelterbelt on my farm. The gun I used was my trusty old .30-06 and I did it with one shot. The guy who got me into deer hunting stressed bringing your deer down with one shot and the vast majority of the deer I have taken were brought down with one shot. The most shots I've ever taken was three shots and I felt bad for making the deer suffer. Around here hunters strive to bring their deer down quickly and humanely. That's why we strive for one shot kills. I hope you can get your state to allow the use of any primitive firearm. Until then, enjoy your muzzle loader and happy hunting.

[@MrTrekFanDan]

I'm thinkin' maybe they allow more modern technologies and accoutrements in order to increase the probability of a more accurate impact and humane kill vs wounded or lost game .......just a thought.

[@dicktimpano6317]

It gives DNR an opportunity to sell more licenses to the special interest groups.

[@johnrice1943]

The Nazis started hunting and fishing licenses.

[@dustondoesit3913]

John Rice hunting and fishing licenses in America are one of the most important parts of conservation. They fund our national parks and park rangers.

[@guylo88]

I thought i was gonna see a vid on bows and arrows, spears and tomahawks.

[@armandocordova5949]

I totally agree.I have been gripping about this for years. If your gonna hunt with a muzzle loader use a front loading gun. An inline muzzle loader is not a muzzle loader,that is a modern rifle.

[@reedpond6867]

I started PWS here in Vermont with my Bear re-curve and my 1861 Springfield rifle and my favorite boar spear.

[@achall29]

It's my first hunting season here in Georgia, thank you for the info.

[@bldlightpainting]

I agree. As with all laws, regulations, and ordinances, to solve these issues one much take a close look at the intention of the law, not just a letter. If the motive behind "black power season" was to use primitive weapons, then perhaps a manufactured date or something on that order should be included in the regulations.

[@camojoe83]

Also, its so cool how you can tell what someone is shooting at by the sound of their rifle.

[@flyoverbassin8959]

Where I live, before they started allowing straight wall rifle cartridges, inline muzzleloaders were one of the workarounds for people who wanted to hunt with a rifle instead of a shotgun. Then they came up with sabot slugs for shotguns.

[@Gottaculat]

Here in WA, it's illegal to use a crossbow during bow hunting season UNLESS you have a permit to accommodate a physical disability that would prevent you from operating other bows (arthritis, amputated arm or hand, etc.). HOWEVER, crossbows ARE legal in WA during modern firearm season.

[@Andy47357]

I bought an In-line Muzzleloader because I work for Bergara and watched your videos with black powder and thought it was cool. I can pop deer at 800 yds with my normal rifle. but the muzzleloader makes calling them into range important. also pellets cost more than powder its $1.76 per shot to shoot powder with power belt bullets vs $2.31 for pellets and powerbelt bullets. please review the CVA muzzleloader family I build them and would love to see you review my work

[@thurin84]

since when are firearms regulations ever logical?

[@Hatch61]

Last year I was at the Check In Station when a excited man came in looking to get his deer checked. We all went out to see his harvest, and there it lay, he shot someone's goat. He insisted it was a spiked buck, the Game Warden disagreed, LOL.

[@billskinner1433]

Since we're on the subject of black powder, could you speak to the necessity of cleaning your black powder firearm each time you use it? I own a small gun shop that specializes in muzzleloaders and my pet peave is the folks who buy a modern inline muzzleloader to extend their season (no problem there) and then they take it to the woods and fire it, reload it, then take it home and throw it in a closet and let it set until time to get ready for next years season not realizing that the ash from the black powder is corroding their bore. I have a gun in my shop right now that has a bore like an old iron pipe. Thanks,

[@assaultspoon4925]

They've made a bunch of videos in the past talking about bp cleaning

[@williamster2015]

I'm from indiana and in Firearm season and muzzleloader season I use either my .54 cal Hawken or my .45 cal ketucky long rifle, I haven't needed anything else. In Archery season I use a 54" 55# recurve bow.

[@jeremyhannaford1306]

In Rhode Island, where you can take 3 or 4 deer taken depending on zone, it’s muzzle loaders only in muzzle loader season. You can’t use those lovely old guns any time because the caliber limit is .229- can’t even use a .308/7.62

[@magicdaveable]

When I was a youngster it was called Muzzleloader and those old fashioned weapons weren't very effective past 100 yards. I used a Lyman 50 cal. Hawken Rifle for years. I now use an inline muzzleloader. It is a true muzzleloader but uses a 209 primer. I suppose using pellets instead of powder is possible but not for me. I am used to dumping the powder in the bore of my smoke pole. If percussion caps were as dependable as 209 primers then caps would be fine. By the way, I have seen percussion cap style ignition systems that use a 209 primer. On another note, almost every one of the 60+ whitetails I have harvested were shot at less than 50 yards. I have also harvested over 40 whitetails with a primitive bow(longbow off the knuckle). I have harvested a dozen or so whitetails with a muzzleloader. I scout in the summer and hunt on the ground. I think using an elevated stand isn't hunting. 300 AAC? Not enough umph from that puny round. Better to use Wilson 300 Ham'r. I have been hunting whitetails since the 1950's. I have most often used a 30-30 and I believe that under 1000 ft.lbs. at the point of impact is the bare minimum fir a firearm. I have friends that hunt wild boar with Atlatyls. I used to make Atlatyls and hunting darts but would never hunt a wild boar with one. I have taken a couple boars with my longbow.

[@cephasmartin8593]

To me it's all about the challenge. My muzzle loader has made me a better hunter. When I use my Remington Gamemaster 760 carbine in .30-06 I knew that I could get one and possibly two follow-up shots. With a muzzle loader, even an inline muzzle loader, you have one shot, so it better be a good one. My muzzle loader is a modern inline a I love hunting with it. This year, however, I have a new challenge - a Ruger Super Redhawk in 10mm with a 6.5 inch barrel. We'll see how it works, but I do have two deer permits, so I can take one with each method. Good luck on your hunt.

[@Dies1r4e]

Laughing at 300 blackout not being able to take a deer ethically, compare it to 30-30 and you will find it, and 7.62x39 all have about the same "oomph" as you put it, and 30-30 has taken so many thousands of deer it isn't even funny. I have hunted with all three, "harvested" a dozen or more of each, and one thing I find uniformly, guys that talk like you are head stuck up ass crazy. I have also hunted with a primitive bow I made myself, gutted the deer with a knife I made myself, shot deer with an 45 caliber high pressure airgun I built myself. I did it because it was fun, because I love the taste of deer, and I havn't had an "unethical" shot with any of this since I boogered my first deer when I was sixteen, and I tracked that bastard down for my mistake. I have hunted from stands, I have driven deer, I have stalk hunted by myself on land I "scouted". I don't feel the need to shake my fist at people taking game in any way they want so long as the animal isn't flopping around suffering bleeding out slow.

[@Andy47357]

ballistics say .300blk in 150gr is similar to .30-30 150gr... might want to double check your understanding of ammo sir

[@Dies1r4e]

exactly.

[@yoepix]

Here just to repeat the 300 is putting out energy over your 1000ft lb minimum so you might want to rethink it being puny.

[@Matt-yv6yu]

In Pennsylvania, we have 2 "muzzleloader" seasons. Early one is only a week long, runs during archery season, you can only harvest doe, and any inline or primitive muzzleloader is allowed, including modern optics. Late season runs for about a month, after rifle season is over, but is limited to "primitive" muzzleloaders with flintlock ignitions only, and no modern optics. Iron sights only, fiber optic inserts are allowed however. U may harvest buck or doe depending on your tags. Personally I love it bc like u said, not many ppl in woods and love using blackpowder flintlock. Hunting flintlock, as u know, is even more difficult than most other muzzleloader ignition systems and makes for some verrry interesting and exciting hunting situations. Pennsylvania has no seasons that would permit u to use any non-frontstuffing blackpowder firearms, and I agree that a specific season for such is an incredible idea, in more ways than one, it would bring more hunters afield and allow more firearms to be enjoyed the way they were meant to be.

[@dullbrass]

To me hunting is not a sport and I'm having a hard time understanding the whole concept. I think the number one rule should be to hunt ethically and therefore be proficient with whatever weapon you're using. Why not having just one hunting season and letting people use whatever they want to use and are able to use well enough to grant a clean kill? Wishing you 'Waidmannsheil' from Germany

[@romanpfaff3039]

I have one of those knives. High quality Damascus. Gruess Gott from America

[@btmountaineer93]

Come hunt here in PA. We have an early muzzle loader season when in-lines and scopes are allowed. Then we have a late flint lock only. During this season the gun has to be a flint lock and no optics are allowed.

[@ELRas53]

I know this is an older video, but in case you missed it, inline muzzleloaders were designed in 1790s by J. Pauly Is it a "primitive weapon" season, a "muzzleloader" season, or a "short range" weapon season? Technology keeps changing...compound bows are "short range" weapons, but certainly not "primitive". With firearms, there are so many options, game departments can't keep up with what everyone wants to do. Your antique black powder cartridge guns can be used during most rifle season...maybe not ideal, but it works. Never go out on "Opening day"!

[@cavtroopermunoz]

You would think that the industry would make some really nice replicas of old school guns so that people could enjoy the spirit of black powder season. It would be a win for both sides.

[@robbrown5702]

Our Black powder season here in Maine is after the regular firearms season and runs into December. Expanded archery season starts in September and runs till mid December. I have both an inline and a Lyman Great Plains rifle. Gotta love it!

[@samfulwider3882]

New gripe?: ethics, morals and responsibilities of a hunter and outdoors man. You guys touched on it and you guys do a great job. Thank you for what you do, keep it up!!

[@krustymudracer]

Hey y'all, I'm not even a hunter, but this conversation came up the day. Look up your state and county regulations. It's easy. I go out a limb and agree with Eric. In my state and county it is called "black powder" season. They go on to define black powder season as use of only muzzleloaders. Regulations are very different from State to state and county to county. Since I'm not a hunter, I'll say, take your animals safely and humanely, eat it if possible, and enjoy your hunting season.

[@surfstrat59]

The reason that guys use a modern, in-line muzzle loader is that they want to fill their tag. Hunting with a flintlock is extremely difficult. Deer always hear the initial frizzen strike, and they “jump the pan”. I love flintlocks and I love recurve bows, but actually taking game with them requires a large degree of luck. Most guys want to hedge their bets....

[@mrkanook9226]

From Georgia DNR, “Don’t forget that during primitive weapons season, youth under 16 years of age may hunt deer with any legal deer firearm, including during any wildlife management area primitive weapons hunts,” said Killmaster.

[@sandman5807]

In Mississippi you can use a cartridge that was black powder such as 45-70 35 Whelen 444 Marlin if it is above 35 caliber and older than a certain age it is allowed in Black Powder season in Mississippi. So the very thing you're fighting for in Georgia we have in Mississippi

[@redneckwithajeep5001]

The issue with one being over a specific age is guns like the only CVA I own. It uses a modern primer but that’s because of reliability only. For all intensive purposes it’s actually a flintlock that’s been slightly modernized. In fact it’s extremely similar to what our founding fathers used your sights are about the same it’s way heavier than anything a normal person would want to carry in the woods it’s even got the thing that would normally strike a flint off to the side but it has that primer instead

[@Valeyellow46WLF]

I'd love to see you doing more history about weapons that have been actually used in wars, I was so happy to see you using the M16A1 and I hoped you would tell sth about the problems they had back then with the rifle, the change from the normal m16 to the a1-a4 etc. But anyway awesome channel. Greetings

[@galbas78]

thanks to Eric and his Martini Henry reloading video I hunt with my martini every year. cheers!

[@andrewwilkey6195]

A lot of older guys shoot cross bows because they just cant pull back compound bows

[@rednecksniper4715]

Here in Kentucky it’s the same thing can’t use antiques during muzzleloader season unless it’s a muzzleloader so I was considering getting a P-53 Enfield either an original or modern repro

[@ClaytonGambrel]

It's my favorite time, Eric right now I'm heading to ossabaw island for my hunt this week. Kentucky long rifle, and a matching pistol along with the walker

[@poppopscarvinshop]

I live on the Henry/Rockdale County Line with a large patch of woods behind me. On Opening Day, it sounds like Bastone and the Battle of The Bulge behind my house! Thanks Guys!

[@stngcrazy]

Here’s a good one for you, there is no rifle deer season in mass, but I can hunt coyotes during day light hours with any centerfire cartridge I want. We can even rifle hunt coyotes during archery and black powder season. the only time we can’t use a rifle for dogs is during the shot gun deer season.

[@NaterTaterOutdoors]

Eric do that supersonic sound effect again. 😂😂 I’m glad you caught that and got a good laugh.

[@frankcastle8090]

This year here in NC they changed that black powder guns must not have a metallic cartridge. I’m stand with you on that gripe.

[@jimkaipanen6577]

In my state we have black powder season, not as complex as yours after that is shotgun season only exception is straight side center fire cartridges witch is .45-70 weird what do you think?

[@Null3656Null]

hunnin with ethics 1 hunnit. glad y'all educating

[@Thelaubster1]

In Pennsylvania they fixed this sort of we have a early season that just specifies muzzleloader so inlines exct all legal long as front stuffer even a bad bull muzzleloader which almost same as a .375 h&h ballistically would be legal. Then after Christmas we have a flintlock season has to be a flintlock no optics. Although it does specify prior to 1890 or something like that design but they letting people get away with fiber optic sights and plastic stocks seems to be long as lick is of 1800s design

[@bryanbridges2519]

The key to understing each state's laws on this is look at the intent. In my state, LA, for example, the intent of current laws governing muzzleloaders is to sell more licenses. Basic, big game, archery, and muzzleloader are all seperate, each with it's own fee. That is why they allow the use of any single shot rifle of at least 35 caliber to be used during the muzzleloader season. 35 whelen is is real popular choice and in case anybody is wondering a 35 whelen with a 3x9 scope and effective range of 250 yards is not much of a handicap (except for the recoil). Since it is neither a muzzleloader, primative, or more challenging to hunt with, it is logical to conclude that its about raising money for the LDWF. A good friend and I built our hawken muzzle loaders when all you could get was a kit. We put a lot of enjoyable hours building them, working up loads, and scouting to spend a few quite days hunting when all the the other hunters where drinking beer and talking about hunting. It was great fun and we killed a few deer, but then the state realized the untapped potential of selling more license. Now hunters pay a fee to hunt an extra week with modern equipment and opening of muzzleloader season is noisier than rifle opener. We don't bother anymore. Before any of you get sactamonious about the poor meat hunters, let me add that I have been one who supliments our diet with game, my kin definately fall into that catagory, many friends and associates fall into that catagory. Deer is a large part of the protein in our diets, but please, our fat areses ain't starving. Just make one season and hunt with whatever is ethical and everyone will be happy.....well, except for LDWF.

[@bandit3030]

''guys that shoot deer out the window with a 1911'' lmao

[@behindenemylines3361]

I don't consider a in-line muzzle-loader a primitive weapon. I consider it cheating

[@johnburrows1179]

Agree

[@jonboyd4094]

I also enjoy the old school muzzleloader rifles and concur on your valid point for older firearms. I'm an archery guy myself, but do like the fact that Georgia allows youth to hunt with a centerfire rifle on a wma during primitive weapons hunts. My son bagged a very nice hog on a primitive weapons hunt with a 308 he has been practicing with all year. One proud dad here :). So Georgia dnr do get a few things right lol

[@M60E3MG]

Weird difference in terminology. In Wisconsin it’s a muzzleloader season, not black powder. I double-checked the DNR website about that, and came across this gem: “Black powder revolvers are legal during all gun deer seasons except the 10-day muzzleloader-only season because they are capable of being loaded by the cylinder instead of the muzzle.” What?! You’re loading the cylinder from the front!

[@charlesbowman8125]

Eric 3 people in Ohio i know have a inline built on a Remington 700 action. They shoot smokeless powder. I still like using my 45 Thompson center Hawkins. I like to use it in our shotgun season now and then. I got a 45-70 i can use now and shotgun i use all bows to. I watch lots of your videos. PS thanks for your military service.

[@ryanmace8804]

I own a crossbow with a nice red dot optic on it! 😀 I don't hunt, I just use it for recreation, just like I do with my compound bow. I have never shot a muzzle loader, and I really want to try one out, but I don't know if I want one bad enough to go out and buy one... 🤔 Is there a basic entry level model I could get for cheap? Obviously I don't need a fancy one...

[@jamesalexander2401]

Hunting is not about putting meat on the table it’s about the guns and the sporting factor, a true hunter hunts for food for his family and obeys the laws. When I was growing up you could go just about anywhere and hunt but now if you don’t have land or a lot of money you’re just out of luck. I guess the land deal is another gun gripe. Love your stuff, keep it up.

[@j.m.8193]

My go-to primitive method is a pitfall. But if the ground is hard clay, I’ll just use a bear trap. Then, I’ll bring a bucket of water with me to finish it off.

[@GunDrone]

Inline black powder guns are not primitive weapons. Its the modernization of the old reliable black powder rifle. I am someday going to get one. But, I am not getting rid of my old Black Powder guns. In some states you can only use Inline BP guns. i have no idea what the logic is with that.

[@mathewstumpf3744]

Love the video. The only thing I have against it is the "it needs to be a doe or at least an eight pointer" part. For the most part I agree. If it's the first weekend of rifle season and a 50 pound fawn walks through I'll pass it up. If a yearling doe or buck walks through? I call it fair game. It's a 2 week season here in Minnesota (at least for rifle season) and the area we hunt has up till the last couple of years been a one deer limit, does permitted with a lottery tag. I personally enjoy hunting and I've taken deer with a variety of rifles. An old Mosin 91/30, Argentine Mauser, and my personal favorite was the Springfield M1903. Last day of season rolls around, I have an open tag and a fawn walks through? I'm going to do my best to drop it. I hunt for meat first. Licences are ~$30 and if I can get 40 pounds of venison or be out ~$30 I'll go for the venison. I wont be proud, and I'm sure not going to brag about it. But meat is meat and I'd rather eat venison for a dollar a pound than beef for 75 cents a pound. My family doesn't hunt for trophies.

[@philipw7755]

In some states there is a flintlock season separate from the muzzle loading season

[@jrshumate4488]

Can yall make a video of yall just making different gun noises?!? >.< Maybe get John Lovell in on that action? hahaha

[@johndeeter4030]

I agree with you in many ways personally..Those "moden" inline with all the fancy scopes and stuff just makes me cringe..I prefer my flinter or cap system myself..BUT at least they are into firearms of some sort..HOWEVER if a deer was standing in my back yard..It would be "fair" game in my book..or rather DEAD game, regardless of whet I used..lol

[@TimonSuricata]

wish we had hunting seasons in Australia, everything here is way to hard and no matter how hard you try to comply with laws, you always break them without knowing, or it's just unavoidable.

[@JW23551]

I think the distinction is “muzzleloader”, not “black powder”. While I understand the protest regarding the Snyder, it isn’t a muzzleloader. As for modern/primitive, here in Colorado muzzleloaders (during ML season) can only use iron sights, loose (non-pelletized) powder, bore-sized conical projectiles (no sabots), and must be loaded from the muzzle. I feel like this, in conjunction with a modern inline rifle is a happy medium between modern reliability and the challenge of only having one chance to make the shot count.

[@mhans928]

So you can only use an in line muzzle loader with a scope during regular rifle season? Actual question I'm curious

[@JW23551]

M Hans92 yes! No optics are allowed during ML season.

[@rlbnpt2]

Here in RhodeIsland there is no rifle season so a modern ML scratches that itch. That being said I started with Dad's NewEnglander, and I still only hunt with his handmedowns.

[@Dirt_Under_Me_Fingaz]

Great video as always guys! I think you hit it on the head with the distinction between a separate percussion cap and a cartridge with an internal primer, even if using BP, Pyrodex, whatever...while I know there are TONs of BP shooter matches using converted 50.70 Sharps, etc, what the regs call for doesn't make a difference in hunting effectiveness but WILL keep you out of jail. Maybe BP Season should be changed to "Separate Primer and Cartridge" ( as long as you don't use smokeless powder) season. Nobody ever said laws are passed based on logic!!

[@nealpeterson1530]

What do you guys know about the M95 Straight Pull Austrian Carbine? It would be cool if you guys talked about it if you have any information on it.

[@reafkennedy3069]

That's originally what they did in MS. If a cartridge and rifle design are over 100 years old you could use it in primitive weapon season. Pretty much killed off the muzzle loading rifles off locally. Now when primitive weapon season opens you can hunt with whatever you want on private land.

[@alexspencer8904]

Here in Missouri we have alternative season which you can use a muzzle, black powder pistol, and center fire pistol (can't have a magazine that hold more than 10 rounds). You can't use a rifle that can be loaded from the breach (black powder catridge) but I can use 300 Blackout ar pistol

[@SteveAubrey1762]

I hunt with traditional muzzle loaders, a matchlock, flintlock, side hammer percussion guns. I used to think I might go to those modern in lines if my eyesight degenerated. Well, being middle aged, its happened, I have to wear bifocals. But I'm not going to give up my traditional guns. I've been hunting with them for almost 30 years. I can still get within 50 yards of a deer or hog, 15 yards of a turkey,and can still get close enough to a squirrel or rabbit to take them w/ my muzzle loading shotgun or musket- w/o my glasses.

[@TheAllUnkowning_Kaiser]

You can get a breach plug if you have a cva inline muzzleloader designed for loose black powder. I think alot of guys buy inline muzzleloaders for the ease of cleaning.

[@TheAllUnkowning_Kaiser]

And with cvas breach plug that can be removed without tools gives you an advantage. If you have no luck hunting that day and you need to clear your muzzleloader all you do is open up the breach plug empty out your charge of preference and push the projectile out. I know with traditional muzzleloaders you need a screw attachment to get the ball out which destroys it.

[@johnburrows1179]

Even the term “hunting “ means different things in different parts of the country. I grew up hunting in the northeast. We would go out weeks before season and look for tracks, scrape, etc etc. Then when season started we would go out and actually “hunt” the deer. My friend from the Army lived in Texas and he invited me to go down one year. I asked how long before season should I come to do some scouting? He said oh no, all set, I got the perfect place. Ok. Opening day comes and he drives me out to a big field. Then we walk over to a small pop up tent like blind. He says here, just sit here and wait. So I’m thinking ok, they must hunt different here so .... we are sitting there and I ask when do we start out? He says no man, the deer will be here about 7. I’m like wtf? He said oh I been feeding them for weeks and every morning they’re here about same time. I’m like what? Nothing came that morning and we left at 9, he said they ain’t coming. So I asked let’s go walking... he says no man, that’s not how we do it here. So we get back to his house, and he explained to me about the blinds and feeding and how they rent leases. I said Jimmy... that’s not hunting bro, that’s ambush. So hunting means different things in different states that’s for sure

[@D8W2P4]

How to solve all of this in one easy step. Hunting season is hunting season. You want to use a rock? cool. You want to use a bow and arrow? cool. You want to use a black powder firearm? cool. You want to use a smokeless powder firearm? cool. You want to use a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range? cool. You want to use something not explicitly mentioned? cool. Leaves no room for retarded regulations.

[@cavibird2005]

Black Powder season here is in December, in MINNESOTA!! You want to gripe about something, try sitting in a deer stand for 4 hrs in -30.

[@vulcan1358]

Two weird primitive seasons I have encountered: Pennsylvania: flintlock or inline, but there is an open flintlock and archery season where you get time to fill out your tags Louisiana: muzzleloaders and single shot, hammer fired rifles or shotguns. The rule with rifles are basically straight walled cartridges (.45-70/.35 Whelen)

[@zacharyroach1990]

I have seen people using 2 or 3 muzzle loading guns at the same time, how gray is that?

[@mulekicker-ut5jl]

Louisiana you can shoot 45 70 and 35 wheelin as long as it is single shot. I think can use up to 4 x scope also.

[@VelikiHejter]

I hunt with an "old" milsurp! It is a mouser action, cold war era, rifle that was chosen to become sniper, left in cosmoline for about 50 years and then sporterised for me. Why did I do it? Because I spent about 500 euro (100 for a rifle and a bit over 400 for gunsmith, work is way cheaper here...)for precise rifle(capable of more precision then I am) that looks great and, using proper ammo, will drop a deer with one shot.

[@eddirmuldoon1742]

Also if you need something to fight for airguns bring up the Geardoni that went with Lewis and Clark. And it can put a hole completely through a 1 inch pine board at 100 yards. And that's more than enough power to drop a deer. And that was 200 years ago.

[@filianablanxart8305]

Firstly , your observations are centered on Georgia . The laws & regs on black powder/ primative vary greatly . Some states do Not allow 209 primers , and inline users use either #11 or Musket caps . Rules on optics vary greatly . A growing number of states , notably Indiana and Mississippi allow some form of ctg breachloaders . MS was probably first , with iron sight, single shot , straight wall ctg , and gun's basic design pre-1899 . Many states regulate projectiles . Many require all lead or lead alloy . CO is infamous for projectiles must be less than a certain length, allowing old school Minie balls , but de facto eliminating sabots and many modern conical designs . Pennsylvania is the most hardcore, requiring Flintlock , fixed sights for Primative season . ( More modern muzzleloaders are allowed in their general Frirearms season . And we have to consider the historical context , and contemporary Management goals at the times . " Black Powder" seasons generally began in '50s and '60s . At the time , deer populations were still in the rebuilding phase, seasons were short , and harvest goals were Small by modern standards . A main lobbying point for initial creation of the various BP seasons was that it was so limiting that only a few people would attempt it, and they would harvest so few deer that the regular season wouldn't need to be shortened to compensate . But then by late '70s to early '80s , the decades of wildlife management was finally kicking in , and deer populations were increasing nationwide, and larger harvests were desired . So the original concepts of providing sporting opportunities to a handful of quasi reenactors was merging with a desire to increase harvests . And so ironic y'all making comparisons with Bow Seasons . Back in the '70s there was massive opposition from the archery industry, and all groups of Bowhunters to not allow the use of those totally Evil Compound Bows ! The weight drop off made them Too Easy-to-use , seasons would have to be shortened , it would be totally Unfair to Real Bowhunters , who by definition used either Longbows or Recurves, the way that God intended . A generation later , the resistance was even greater to Crossbows they were contemptously considered poacher's tools . Here was somthing that mere rifle shooters could use , without the dedicated year round practicing done by ( vertical ) Bowhunters . And finally the deer populations exploded to the point where the various Game Depts desperately needed to increase deer kills , particularly in suburban and exurban areas where firearms use was restricted for safety reasons . Many Game Depts defied strong opposition from Bowhunters , with the counter position that suburban- ish deer kills Had to increase, and it was either crossbows or contracted " sharpshooters " . ************************ But the bottom line is that lines have to be drawn somewhere regarding Primitive Weapons Seasons , and giving the diverse nature of technical advances in mid 1800's firearms , Something will always be just inside or just outside of any definition .

[@SteveShivik]

Would love to see more hunting videos :) Thanks for all the content though!

[@Riyame]

Hmm, 600 yard range test once you get that Pedersoli Whitworth all set up? :D

[@Nierlock]

Off topic, but what are the grips on the revolver on the wall between Eric and Chad? I want a pair, lol.

[@Gottaculat]

How cool would it be to play the Terminator theme through your Honeywell ear protection while lining up that perfect shot on a huge trophy buck? I've been trying to figure out why my ear cups can take an aux in line, but now I think I know why. XD

[@booneexford5112]

Here in nys. You can hunt for a month with bow. Then crossbow for two weeks. Then rifle after the deer are skiddish. Then to black powder for a couple weeks.

[@daltonv5206]

Yep. There's early muzzleloader up north in the adks too. NY has great hunting.

[@Waty8413]

29:53 Speaking of fudd lore. The old spike thing.... 1) "Old" spikes are in reality extremely uncommon. Typically a 2 1/2 yr old at most, even that is uncommon. The size of a deer and the size of his spikes do not accurately indicate genetics, or even age. In fact, a big spike might actually be displaying great genetics if he is large and that is his first set of antlers. Similarly, a deer can grow an 8 point rack as his first set of antlers. Neither situation indicates his potential as a 3, 4 or 5+ year old deer. 2) More bad news, if that spike happens to be old as you think, he has probably bread a crap ton of does already. Shooting it to help the "gene pool" is like saying that you are swatting mosquitos to help prevent a zika outbreak. Not to mention all the does that were carrying the same genetics before that buck came along, and after you kill him. Hunters would do well to let all small racked deer walk, even if it mean letting a few truly inferior deer live. Hunters who want to see bigger bucks should be encouraging wildlife management agencies to improve the balance of deer habitat, herd size, forage, age range, and sex ratio. Then they should accept the regulations changes that are designed to help these factors. (That last part is where most jump off the wagon, it's easier to just keep whacking spikes and claiming they do it to help the genetics.)

[@christianbahr9578]

the inline muzzle loader was the gate was drug for me. I bought a inline muzzle loader to extend my rifle hunting season but now I am hooked. I just bought a black powder revloler and looking at other black powder rifles.

[@AlphariusMemegon]

Here's another one for you. In my state, I can legally hunt deer with my FNS 40c carry gun. I can not legally hunt deer with my Swiss 96/11. How does that make any sense?

[@Th3Sabator45]

I read Georgia hunting laws. It says muzzleloading firearms, not black powder in general. But says 20ga with arrows stuffed in them is fine.

[@michaeljohnston4117]

A M1870 Italian Vetterli is black powder but has a center fire primer but if you use a swiss version its rim fire so would that be usable