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[@nathanielmelendez3815]

Love when you guys bring up Barry. He was a gem and is certainly missed by viewers who have been here long enough

[@Morrrk]

Right?!

[@BIGPIZZABOI]

Rest In Peace Barry

[@MPHampel86]

Eric and Chad sitting down for a gun gripes is one of my favorite things about this channel. Don’t ever stop.

[@georgebrunson8585]

ARE BOYS KNOWING that a person has your picture matt and sending out a text me message and thanking for comments that phone number is a northern Illinois 815 area code!!!

[@RoughNek72]

It all started with Eric and Barry, miss you Barry. :(

[@lowluv72]

Same

[@stuco]

@@RoughNek72 those are my favorites

[@MVRM-t9g]

Can you do a video about how the California attorney general "leaked" thousands of private citizen gun owners' name, birth date and addresses? This needs to get out.

[@nopc9728]

Damn commiefornia❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❗

[@XSpider209x]

💯

[@GhostKill88]

Agree, but what good will it do? California does what they want, without consequences, apparently!!!

[@killroy2993]

You shoot anything and they're taking the gun. That's money potentially lost. Cheap and works is where it's at... Even used is better

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Preach! 🙌

[@codiwonkanobi9788]

That's my thoughts on what I carry. I've also had a 200 dollar gun be way more reliable than one I had to have and dropped a 1000 on. That is 2005 dollars lol.

[@mattr918]

High end guns seem more of a competition or collector type thing. I prefer stock and reliable myself no matter what the price range.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

That's me all day. I generally shop around the 300 to 400 dollar range for handguns and 500 to 600 with rifles. My first gun orchard was a police trade in Glock 22 came with 3 mags and a case for $299. Prices have gone up since covid but there has been some really good deals pop up from time to time recently as well. My latest gun is very budget I put together a glock clone for $265. It's ran flawlessly so far. I have to shoot it more but, It's the best money I've spent on a Gun so far. Super impressed.

[@bigguy8749]

For reals. Bin there lost 2500$

[@jeremiah7855]

buy all the guns you can doesn't matter if gucci or not can't have to many guns!!!!!!!+

[@L3GN5RW9]

If you buy too many guns then you have less money to spend on ammo, and ultimately having a lot of ammo is more important than having a lot of guns

[@jeremiah7855]

@@L3GN5RW9 if you have money to buy more guns hopefully your smart enough to supply yourself with ammo everyone knows a gun with no ammo is a paper weight I figured that wouldn't have to be Mentioned

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Depends on the use or what you do for it. Most importantly, if you’re using Gucci or any other make sure you’re comfortable with it

[@stinkybillygoat6873]

Gucci glock isn’t a brand lol

[@AllAboutSurvival]

@@stinkybillygoat6873 i didnt say it was a brand. I was referring it if it’s not gucci. My grammar is just lame that’s all.

[@stinkybillygoat6873]

@@AllAboutSurvival I gotcha lol mine is garbage too

[@kmparrott83]

I can honestly say I am the "master of my tool" since I was 12 yo I have been honing my skills to exacting perfections. Now back to gun, I roll with a shadow systems dr920 mainly because of the trigger and the trigger guard not being 2 inches thick like a glock also that sexy and extremely functional beaver tail that reminds my slightly of a modern 1911 beaver.

[@SeanPwnery]

As a gun guy and a car guy, when I’m asked about Gucci guns, my answer is pretty basic : “Make it work, make it yours. Not everyone drives VW beetles.”

[@maxpower4781]

I do and well said

[@bobocan17]

What do you mean by not everyone drives a beetle? Idk much about cars lol

[@SeanPwnery]

@@bobocan17 Basically just... car people like to modify and personalize their ride. If we weren't individual people, we'd all drive the same bland and boring thing - but we don't so why would carry pistols be any different? Color options, added features, these are the kinds of things that brought in "new" gun owners that never considered them before. Remember how they pushed the purple and robin's egg blue frames towards the women's market? Technically that's pseudo-gucci because they all used to be cold, black, blued, or maybe FDE only.

[@bryananderson3772]

How many people ask you?

[@SeanPwnery]

@@bryananderson3772 Quite a few actually - generally when I volunteer to be an RSO at my local ranges and bring a small wagon full of my own toys and ammo - people tend to wander over and start asking all sorts of things. Sometimes it's just the sight of my SRO topped Walther Q5WFMP, or sometimes it could be as simple as why I have anodized weighted mag plates on my 2011. My family has been working with the local shop for nearly 35 combined years so we get a lot of inqueries there too.

[@waynestackhouse4636]

Gotta have a Gucci HiPoint😂

[@UnknownUser_0000]

Whatever makes YOU happy..because in reality, that's all that matters.

[@JordanJimmyDavison]

Not entirely true but ok 👌🏻

[@UnknownUser_0000]

@@JordanJimmyDavison Do you own my gun or do I own my gun? Thanks for playing. 👍

[@JordanJimmyDavison]

@@UnknownUser_0000 good point!

[@zogbot5103]

Hedonism is what led us to where we are now as a society

[@dustycamaro7908]

I feel like if u end up shooting someone...ur gun is going into evidence so why would you want to tie up an expensive ass gun

[@CaptGus]

Think we might need to revisit PCP air rifles. They’re getting pretty powerful . I recently got one just so I don’t have to travel to the range . And its actually saving me money on ammo. And I am very impressed

[@nopc9728]

Exactly. I also like springers/Break-Barrel I seen a video of a guy taking a wild hog with a .22 air rifle The hog if I remember correctly weighed in at 18lbs.

[@Norsecompass]

Have either of you tried one of the Wilson Combat AR-15's? Very well functioning rifle.

[@neilhartigan7456]

Glock 19 GEN three. It is the Ford F-150 of pistols. Yeah it’s big yeah it’s chunky but it gets the job done.

[@RockfordF150Bass]

The most "Gucci" I would go is shadow systems mr920 war poet. You get a little bit of everything and it being hand picked functional parts by John Lovell, I trust it!!

[@crc1785]

Same. Mine has been my EDC for two years and has held up beautifully.

[@Blando7887]

Beretta 92 and Browning Hi-Power is as gucci as I get

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

Not for me. I just need one reliable pistol that I can shoot well. Rest of the money is spent on ammo.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

One reliable pistol and enough spare parts to build a second.

[@johnniewasr5740]

One is none…

[@nopc9728]

Always good to have a backup such as a derringer or snub. Good knife too and pepper spray.

[@wellington400]

Never a bad idea to have a backup.

[@jimchambers7548]

I've had q lot of guns over the years and I never tune on them because I think the gunsmiths at S&W, Taurus etc are smarter than I am with guns since they're selling to me so why try to enhance. I wanted a S&W 38 with a good trigger, so I got a Performance Center. Just my opinion

[@vyoufinder]

You nailed it. People always thinking they can outdo the teams of engineers at the factories. The same with cars.

[@jimchambers7548]

@@vyoufinder don't I know about the cars too, I've grown up in a shop. I'm third generation painter/ body man. My grandpa told me everytime I change wheel size or whatever, "You're not as smart as GM engineer so leave it alone 😄

[@dak4465]

My browning hipower takes reddots and stuff and wasnt super expensive.... Im just sayin

[@traphimawari7760]

Id say you can keep fancy stuff in general if you want to leave something behind for your next of kin one day, because lets be honest these gucci guns aren't just a daily thing that we can replace or forget about eventually or something we use all the time to the point that it breaks and you scrap it for parts or just buy a new one, all these applies if you are financially poor if not then go ahead and do these things to your gucci guns but for us peasants we expect it to last long and be top of the line in its time since we spent the extra dime, but if you are a man of the present and you have no intent of leaving something fancy behind for your next of kin but rather make sure you live long enough to see your next of kin then maybe, maybe not buy a gucci gun, just buy a gun that's reliable and moderately cheap if you can

[@sofloflow]

Holy run on sentence Batman!!

[@blackonblack...9244]

I get it some want fancy. But from experience, you want it to be life-depending reliable. I used to carry a G30 with an extended mag thinking I'm good. When I found out at the range it jammed and stove-top'd ALOT. It was at that point I realized my life could have been on the line. So it's best to be practical, always.

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

Yeah man. Always test and vet your carry pieces. I like to see a minimum of 200 to 300 trouble free rounds before I'll rely on a gun.

[@gg9xfrx4m30]

"Glock perfection", "but let me change out every part to make it run better"

[@that_tj_brute]

^^^ this. I chuckle everytime I see the poors dump 1500 into their 350 G17/19 in order to have it shoot as well as a 900 gun

[@2amichaelj]

I get the sentiment but no one bats an eye at modifying their AR15s with all sorts of parts. Not to mention all the kit involved with battle belt set ups, plate carrier set ups, holster set ups, ifac set ups, night vision set ups... it's all tailored to the person. I don't see how pistols are any different. It seems to me we're moving in the direction of not what's the best features for something but how much money can I throw on it. It's interesting to see people with $2,500 AR15s that have $2,000 in aftermarket parts not including their $400 scope mount, $2,500 scope, $300 offset red dot mount, $600 offset red dot and $500 KAC backup irons along with their $15,000 night vision set up, $4,000 plate carrier set up, $2,500 battle belt set up, $750 holster and mag set up and so on and so on.

[@gg9xfrx4m30]

@@2amichaelj People do seem to spend an absurd amount of money on their guns, and that's fine, people are free to kit out how they want, but like Garandthumb said, all of it is pointless unless a person trains with it and actually uses it. I've seen people at local matches with almost bone stock PSAs or other budget rifles out shoot people with nice Daniel Defense or BCM rifles just because they would rather spend money on ammo and practice with it instead of endlessly changing out accessories. All the gucci gear in the world doesn't matter if you can't shoot a decent group to save your life.

[@RezaQin]

I would say no. Get something that works, that you can reliably hit with, and that you know isn't a piece of junk.

[@orion2250]

My weapon has a light, eats any ammo and fires every time. Gucci enough for me.

[@johngray3860]

Buy a reliable; serviceable pistol then buy another one just like it. If you have to use it you're gong to lose it. It will end up in an evidence room somewhere, for an unknown amount of time. That's where pistol number 2 comes in.

[@calholli]

Nearly all the Gucci rifles out there are really over-gassed. That's basically their big secret on how to be ultra reliable.

[@stonerman15]

Damn well I’ll stay away

[@cadeinscho6339]

My KAC SR15 is not over gassed. Vary Gas efficient. My Radian Mod 1, Noveske N4, LMT Mars-L are not over gassed either. Specifics would be nice. If it is gas efficient it should not cycle shitty Russian under powered 223. I must disagree based on personal experience.

[@calholli]

@@cadeinscho6339 Well, the DD, BCM, HK 416 and Geiselle are all over-- gassed; which are what I was referring to. I know that KAC has their own custom gas length/ system, so maybe it's more dialed..... When talking "over gassed" --- you'll know by what direction your rounds are ejecting. it still runs steel ammo well, and also will be hard to suppress, because it gases in your face so hard. and they tend to have a more violent recoil also.

[@noneshere]

AK been gas charged forever. I remember %80 kits were a hallmark card of metal through the mail. There's good reasons the ak is the worlds most popular guerilla gun.

[@markeastham3095]

Guys the Sig is overrated. I'm a Ruger fan and S&W and a lot of others. It took me a few years but I've shot a lot and hands down the Glock straight from the factory unless you get a lemon which is rare. I know my 26 is going to work even if not cleaned recently. I don't let it go to long but I never doubt it will work 💯. Just watch what everyone compares to. Glock. M&P does not impress me. Canick is very reliable but Glock just works. Thanks for your videos

[@BrokeBoy912]

Imma Gucci my Hi-Point C9 with the Hundred Dollar Bill grips and the MCK Gen 2 when it comes out 😄 😄 😄 only gave 100 for it used.

[@RareStuffArchive]

I'd say leave your carry gun completely stock, so if you ever have to drop someone they can't say you modified your gun to make it "more deadly"

[@thefreedomwarrior]

Well then. Based on that I would highly recommend a stock Shadow Systems pistol. Which BTW I do own and they are by far the best stock “Glock” on the market.

[@crankymcgee]

Nope, you need to put a custom backplate on with a Punisher skull, or says something like "Bad Men Will Meet Their Maker, I'm Just Arranging It"

[@noneshere]

The hypocrites will accuse that to begin with. They cut your food intake also. Hegemony is how they work.

[@pearleelife]

Love my shadow systems. Mr920 War Poet

[@jeremymcintyre7812]

I basically keep it simple in my carry options. There is alot of good durable pistols at 5-800$ and some cheaper. For me i don't have time to tinker with all these different options. Find a trigger you like put a red dot on it id call it good but I tend to keep it simple. Really it comes down to can you put rounds on target or not? The rest doesn't really matter.

[@theirishman6728]

At about the 30 minute mark, shows Eric's weakness in the hypothetical situation that he's forced to grab a rifle for a situation. He's going to stand in front of his safe(s) for 15 minutes trying to choose which one to grab lol.

[@thatkajunguy8029]

Gucci if you can realistically afford it and keep it for play time. A carry weapon should be a basic gun, maybe some glow in the dark sights and a trigger job but not much more. Don't be the guy living in a $ 5k trailer while driving a $ 30k car.....

[@DennysPlantBasedJourney]

Oh man, I'd love that Wilson Combat P320. That would be awesome. I put their grip modules on my 320x5 and 365xl. My current gucci is the Shadow Systems MR920. The basic is the 320/365xl or gl45. ARs - LWRC and Ruger 556/PSA. Shotguns - no high end for me... Stoeger and Mossy do the work for me.

[@growlikethewind5788]

I'll take the 6 PSA daggers for the price of 1 ZEV please.

[@2amichaelj]

I like how people knock others for trying out parts on their Glocks and pistols but no one bats an eye at AR15s. It feels like today it's no longer what's the best features on my AR15 but "how much money can I throw on it"

[@jeremyabbott9909]

I LOVE my War Poet MR920, over 2k rounds through it. Most expensive pistol I have ever owned and took a lot of saving up for. I pray I never have to use it. I am sure the PD or DA would love to hang on to it.

[@markfelger3871]

Maybe, I can get an answer on what does the Armed Serve does do to help people get active well get somebody the right to carry their weapon compared to everybody else who has to do background checks on them?

[@americanfreedomoutdoors8372]

I have a maverick 88 I’ve had it since 2004 and I absolutely love it

[@wowguy3562]

I really don't care what Gucci guns people have, I just really don't care to see them, put all the lipstick on a pig.... its still a pig

[@Gunfighter13]

Base gun: HK45, Gucci gun: Ed Brown Kobra Carry.

[@whoc4r3s117]

My opinion is it’s better to have a cheap gun you practice with all the time. Then an expensive gun you think will make you a better shooter. Experince is always #1

[@jimrustle643]

No. You should buy a firearm that you can hand craft yourself. That leads to research, knowledge, and even potentially a good handle on safety. Besides exercising your right, it tends to make your local politicians angry while at the same time you're defending yourself by the letter of the law and constitution.

[@AroundTheHouseWithDani]

concealed vs open carry gun top 5? open carry gives a dif choose.. open carry could be bigger?

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

the way i see it is the same for all edc i want something not too cheap because i dont trust cheap but also dont have the funds for gucci stuff also dont want to risk loosing something that expensive whether by thief or by cops and i also want something worth it that can also be passed down to future generations also guns like shadow systems will give you free guns if it gets stolen or taken from use in self defense

[@danielcurtis8746]

My glock 19 gen 4 has all factory stuff in it, but mine is sluggish going back into battery if I do that, I've always wondered why it would, it didn't when I first got it but after about 150 rounds it started to do it. Great video as always fellas

[@jonfischer9781]

Grip stick..... wtf is that term? Lol also why is he saying Taran like that?

[@ROOSTER333]

If you have an account that allows you to this, then yeah for sure, but I'd not then just reliability

[@BennyTriad]

I’m the best gun owner cuz I don’t buy guns I spend $ on ammo an training. Fun is not allowed

[@MJA5]

don’t get belly button lint in the lightening cuts

[@scottslater4971]

I put a $1000 or so into a g17 build and love it, it’s not really a Gucci Gun it’s just nice parts that always function and never fail

[@DirtyDuramax]

I will always carry my Glock 19x or my Walther ppq q5 match polymer. Both have run with 0 issues for a couple thousand rounds each. I don’t even clean my Glock really. Just oil and make sure there is no fuzz or dust from carrying or going in my backpack. My AR that i would take is my aero precision with a geissle trigger. Same as the Glock and Walther, never had an issue just keep her clean and oiled. Just remember, in a self defense situation, more times than not your firearm will sit in an evidence locker. I would rather $1000 upgraded Glock sit than a 2k+ pistol.

[@stinkybillygoat6873]

My zev oz9 is the best home defense pistol I think you can get for the money.

[@sampson1582]

Gucci Glocks make neat safe queens, but when you start adding all the skeletonized speed holes into the frame, those just become dust bunny accumulation holes for a CC gun.

[@djjaysky9071]

One of the few modded guns is my Walther P22 the main mod I did is a captured recoil spring to make it easier to clean

[@haveyounoticedtheshieldsar3467]

Walked in a shop asking for a hi point 9mm as my 1st and was immediately told to not even think about it. :/

[@ianthomas3653]

Been thinking of getting a shadow systems mr920. Id rather them figure all the stuff out.

[@lewisholmes5745]

I have the shadow systems MR920 WARPOET and I love it. Great gun and easy to control.

[@ianthomas3653]

@@lewisholmes5745 exactly what I am looking at. I have bought and run a ton of stock pistols, and want to upgrade and see what the hype is about.

[@thomascoleman7708]

It's your money and your life so do whatever you want with it.

[@ParanormalNODS]

Fuel Al gore’s rhythm

[@380master9]

It's that switch that will get you in trouble but you guys got the legal switches

[@timhallas4275]

If I was a billionaire, and they made a million dollar gun, I'd buy it... For the same exact reason that if I was a millionaire, I'd buy a thousand dollar gun... Because I could. Being that I'm neither,, my limit is $400. What you got?

[@MrMichaelSir]

If a 870 marine magnum is a mid-level gun, then isn't a glock 19 a mid-level gun too? Shouldn't a Taurus g4 be the maverick 88 of pistols?... anyhow, I "digress"...

[@Manco65]

I build my own or modify my own. But! I study and research before doing so. It's like the Springfield Armory Range Officer I'm working over, one step at a time, to use either .45Super or .460Rowland. Right now it's set up for.45acp 230gr +p. I had to change the springs and get a balance of reliable ejection vs throwing brass into next week.

[@tylergallagher5278]

i love how Knowledgeable yall are it has helped me choose what type of gun owner i want to be and its helped me to decide what type of guns i want and how to keep reliability on my side.

[@noneshere]

What I have + what I can carry are always a daily concern . 😁 Usually I just have a 43 on me cause it doesn't poke holes in my new pockets like what I want to carry dose. I dental floss sew them up but my folks still get mad on me about it. I don't like holsters, its gotta fit in a pocket or I can have it on me in my concealed carry state.

[@TXODM]

Are y'all aware of any "legal justified" self defense cases that went to court, either from charges or a grand jury where the state of the gun such as aftermarket modifications and upgrades actually played a part in the case?

[@tangomantactical]

Out of the box bet your life on it- Glock 19 ,HI Vis fiber optic sights, TLR7 light. I wasn't aware Glocks had that many problems being suppressed. I have pistol cans but have yet to get a threaded barrel for the G19 I have now. I'm super curious. Gucci gun- Desert Eagle 50 cal, Titanium nitried coated(gold) but a nice gloss not flat or machined look, and extended mags. I like SIG and own a few but, they have had too many issues to trust your life with them and the Army is carrying the P226 or P320 around.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

I have upgrades from Bowen Classic Arms, Cylinder and Slide, Smith and Wesson Master Revolver Package and aftermarket front sights from Brownell’s on my big bore revolvers from S&W.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

M&P45c Talon grip wrap, Fiber optic sights and Apex complete trigger upgrade. That is about as Gucci as I need an " Everyday Gun " to be.

[@toddparker514]

😂my go to is my tarus pt111 g2c . it has 1200 rou ds through it not 1 hiccup and at one point I didnt clean it fo 700 rou ds and it was running great . if I had to go fancy I guess a canik rival if you consider it fancy lmao

[@vandebe1]

If I was to choose a “Gucci” gun I’d go for the 92x performance. I love the m9 and the stainless finish on the performance is beautiful.

[@bigguy8749]

To late I send 1200$ for a upper

[@w4rg3rm]

Love the gun gripes. Thanks for sharing.

[@djjaysky9071]

no a Gucci glock is still a shitty glock

[@michaelhayes7471]

My truck is on a half a tank so hell no

[@cliffknoebel8528]

Shadow systems does it all,factory Gucci that is semi economical and does everything you need it to 😁

[@kencoon2472]

I trust my ruger p90

[@380master9]

Hold up what about all the khar, cz, if in?? Why did you forget them

[@Brotherman94]

I have several low tier and mid tier ar's. I recently got a Barrett ar and there is a world of difference. I'm looking at selling all my other ar's and buy another Barrett.

[@SafetyProMalta]

Proficiency...even with a hi-point is better than carrying a gucci gun you are not competent with.

[@alaindiebra968]

Hello! Love the shows. I see Erik loves Wilson Customs. But what do you think of their AR15? Will you guys do a serious review. Thank you

[@jamiecollins2117]

The way i see it is in a self defense situation the man on the receiving end ain’t going to know the difference so no I wouldn’t buy one

[@The5As7]

Only if you plan to rock that b**** open carry style. LOUD AND PROUD!!!

[@HP3682]

Started with a G19 with factory nite sights, switched to a P365xl for my edc. I prefer keeping everything stock. I’d love a Radian model 1 14.5

[@bds123087]

I did the exact same thing, I carried a Glock 19 and a Glock 26 for about 15 years but the Sig 365 XL Has both of them beat When it comes to concealed carry. Awesome little gun that shoots like a full size

[@johnqpublic2718]

Those S&W M&P 15 Sport iis were not Initially good to go. Early on, their qc was questionable. I remember seeing more than one with poorly-timed barrel extensions that couldn't chamber from the right side of a mag, ever.

[@calholli]

For awhile they sold them with 5R rifling barrels, and they were stupid accurate. I'm not sure if they are still doing that or if they ended up cutting costs.

[@jontee3437]

I think from a practical stand point, unless you shoot competition, there is no need for a gucci gun. However if you want a gucci gun, then go for it, because it's your right to own what you want.

[@Dan-di9jd]

I got a SA Professional model that acts as both a Gucci collectible but also practical enough to be used as a self defense or duty pistol.

[@cliffordpace6921]

Thanks guys as always very good vid!!

[@ChuckyLarms]

Matt Carriker’s Gucci Glock is the only Gucci gun I would buy

[@TheMrASSTASTIC]

Gucci is the only way.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Great discussion guy's.... This is some stuff a lot of us are thinking.

[@BuntMeister66]

Cool on the 300 Hamr.

[@wayne-oo]

Gucci guns say Come look at me ! I say Don’t look at ME !

[@DaveL9170]

My Knights Armament SR-15 is absolutely a Gucci gun and you should DEFINITELY BUY ONE!!!!!!!!!!! Omg awesome weapons

[@MA-lq6eb]

💥😎BUILD UR OWN "GUCCI" FRANKEN-GUN!👍🇺🇸

[@murphyzlaw13]

I was gonna say Glock G17....but my ,"wanna carry" would be a Kimber or Wilson Combat.

[@ChristianConstitutionalist3192]

If You Built The Gun Yourself; Nobody Can Say You "Modified" The Gun. You May Have Installed That Part When You Built The Gun.

[@calholli]

The KAC's give you a different gas system and a full ambi lower (also an LMT). So you at least get something different for your money with those. But for like a Scar or 416, MCX or Bren2 or ACR, or DD or BCM, or Larue or Geislee... You're basically getting an AR180 or even just a basic AR setup.. There's no good reason for them to be so insanely overpriced when they don't even offer anything new.. I'd rather just build AR's from kits, and upgrade a few key parts-- and vet it well. Just like the M&P, there several quality budget rifles out there, and a mountain of parts kits.

[@sofloflow]

The M&Ps barrel steel is of lower grade / strength than the BCM, Larue & Geissele. Bolt steel is weaker too. Thats just one example. Some have enhanced BCGs with rounded off cam pins to reduce wear on the upper. If you build guns and know exactly what you want, you'll likely be more willing to spend the money bc you see the advantages / come to love specific feature's.

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

At IDPA, the pistols I see malfunction the most are: 1. Heavily modified Glocks 2. 1911's The pistols I see malfunction the least: Stock Glocks and other stock striker-fired pistols

[@henryofskalitz2228]

My Gucci gun is a whitworth reproduction rifle and I my most expensive rifle. It's very accurate and I recommend on its $2.1k just by itself but with a platinum lined nipple and kal hexagonal .45 cal bullets they're amazing

[@danr5239]

Why do people call Glock 19 a beginner gun? Those are powerful guns! Not to mention the most popular selling guns. I had to drive 45 minutes to get one. He said they couldn’t keep them in stock because everybody wants one. I had to buy the floor model. It was the last one they had. The Navy SEALs used to use the Glock 19. I can get something bigger, but if you’re going to Conceal and Carry MN, don’t want a hand cannon in my appendix.

[@CharacterMatterz]

If you use it for social work, the cops will try to keep it. If you have a 3000 pistol, that stings a bit more than a G3C or a SD9VE for 250-350....