【Gun⁷¹】 RMR HD vs. RMR: Choosing the Best Optic for Staccato P! 😍🔧

[@Esteb858]

Eleven71Design makes an RMR optic plate for the Staccato that moves the optic all the way back so it eliminates the optic sitting over the ejection port issue. I know it’s probably not an issue for most but if you can eliminate the possibility all together then why not? It also includes rear irons that sit inside the RMR between the mounting screws so you don’t lose the co-witness option.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Thank you. I will buy it 👍🏼

[@Esteb858]

@@TacticalExpeditionI’d love to hear your thoughts on it if you do get one. Thank you for sharing your experience 👍🏼

[@ThatsOneMadman]

@@TacticalExpedition Any update on this?

[@TacticalExpedition]

@@ThatsOneMadman kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqnVgJWIrdaEpdUsi=G5fUGPY_qW9_co70

[@Wifimoneyss]

I checked it out and while it would help my holster fit the no rear sight just looks weird to me

[@ismaelmestas9015]

Excelent video. I love the Staccato XC. Regards from Mexico City

[@TacticalExpedition]

Thanks for watching!

[@SindhiMC]

I have a new C2 and a Rmr HD. Would love to see a how to video for installation and zeroing a Rmr HD if you can

[@Cortezuma]

I have the RMR HD and the RCR. The HD sits on a Glock and the RCR sits on a Staccato P. The auto brightness is good and the extra reticle options are nice as well, but the RCR is better in my opinion. At the range yesterday I had a ghost dot on the RMR HD but or course not with the RCR. Also, even on the Glock where it doesn’t overhang the ejection port, the optic sitting so far forward means it gets gassed up and fogs a lot easier. Trijicon recommends against putting this optic on a gun where it overhangs the ejection port, so by default you really shouldn’t be running this on a Staccato. My two cents after testing them both pretty thoroughly is that you put an RCR on that thing. It fits in a 6354RDS with no issues whatsoever FYI. For duty weapon, they’ll both be durable but the overhang being against manufacturer recommendations makes it pretty much a no-go.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Yes. I think we all know RCR is better but it’s ugly. Hahahha. I have RCR also so I might put it on. 🤣

[@Cortezuma]

@@TacticalExpedition Brother it’s not so bad on a Staccato. Looks better than an acro at least. Throw it on. It’s sweet. If anything it has a retro vibe, like if pistol red dots were invented during the Cold War this is what they’d look like hahaha

[@rays9033]

@@CortezumaI thought you earlier said it overhangs and not recommended by the manufacturer???

[@Cortezuma]

@@rays9033 I was referring to the RCR when I said he should put “it” on. The RMR HD does overhang on a staccato and is recommended against by Trijicon. Although, many people do have the SRO on a Staccato which is the same. I’ve specifically heard of it inducing malfunctions in the real world. Therefore, I certainly would not put one on a defensive or duty weapon. Range toy - have at it.

[@KP-Pro2A]

I believe that the staccato P is the most sought after and desired in my enforcement, but I have difficulty believing it out numbers, Glock or SIG

[@TacticalExpedition]

In small agency, the entire officers switched to Staccato P recently. I'm sure Glock is the king on Law Enforcement Duty Gun... 👍

[@KP-Pro2A]

@@TacticalExpedition I think anyone that carries a gun in defense of themselves or someone else should be able to carry the best tool for the job.

[@magdumpmonday]

my XC is on order. I am going to running with the delta point pro for a while however I will eventually switch to the HD. I currently run nothing but RMR's on my pistols. nice comparison. I also will be ordering that Magwell from TTI.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Perfect. Keep MODDING your guns. 👍🏼

[@SectionChief]

I run DPP on my XC and my P, never had a problem. On C2 I'm running an 509T but will likely change it to DPP 6 moa shortly.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Unfortunately, Deltapoint Pro is not approved for work for me...haha

[@magdumpmonday]

@@TacticalExpedition yeah that sucks.

[@magdumpmonday]

@@TacticalExpedition so let me ask. The TTI 2011 carry magwell this works with the XC YEAH? I’m going to order that one I believe.

[@mexicangator]

nice channel... just got a P gonna send to extreme shooters for grip texture and reduction... was thinking of the XC but if I get a comped gun I thought might as well just get an Atlas Erebus.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Perfect. Both are great guns 👍🏼

[@NoPartsNutral]

Hey man do you know if the Staccato P optic ready standard sights (website has it listed as this when customizing for a threaded barrel) come with suppressor front sights? Planning on buying a RMR plate and notice the rear sight height is higher and there is no info on there website.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Not sure about the height but it’s higher than non-PMO staccatos. Also, with RMR plate, it is even higher.

[@NoPartsNutral]

@@TacticalExpedition Did you have to modify (shorten) the Taran tactical titanium ejection side screw for the RMR plate? Thanks 🙏

[@TacticalExpedition]

No. I used Taran Tactical titanium screws and it’s working fine. 👍🏼

[@ChuckC123]

How do you like the CVLife Light? Bright enough? Feel? Build quality?

[@TacticalExpedition]

It’s very good. I love it. I like the x300 look much better but it’s 5x time the difference in price. 🤣🤣

[@fcobarrios19]

Nice piece! If you switch the optics will you also have to switch the iron sights?

[@TacticalExpedition]

No. It requires higher sight if you have any optics. If you don’t use the optic. Lower height sight is good.

[@CWJameson]

Is the RMR HD causing any malfunctions on the Stacatto P platform due to it overhanging the ejection port?

[@TacticalExpedition]

Non. No issues and it doesn’t even hit it.

[@Ja-qz2tc]

SRO overhangs with no issues, and a lot of people run them

[@OldmanSnake]

I'm running the RMR HD on my CS with no malfunctions. Love the combo

[@ZeRoiFeX]

Will the RMR HD still fit in the holster you're using for the regular RMR?

[@TacticalExpedition]

No. I bought the RMR HD holster for duty use. But since I can’t use RMR HD yet, I can use regular RMR with the new holster. 👍🏼

[@Cortezuma]

Use of the RMR HD with any Safariland duty holster is the same as SRO. It can’t be done unless you disassemble the holster, dremel the bracket, and reinstall. It can be done but not out of the box on any serious duty holster that I would otherwise recommend personally. That’s a huge negative for this optic.

[@TacticalExpedition]

@3M22Zircon I use US DUTY GEAR and it fits perfectly 👍🏼

[@808surferboy3]

Does it use the same Dawson plate?

[@TacticalExpedition]

No. They are different but very similar. Different rear sight too.

[@fmxmyway]

You became a cop? I thought you were running that LWRC/Toyota overlander business? I think I bought an LWRC M6A2 Stretch model back in the day from you when they first released them.

[@TacticalExpedition]

I was always a cop. I had 4Runner TRD PRO which was modified a little. 🤣🤣

[@Born2doom]

Love the video but the Staccato P is not the most used Law Enforcement gun. That title belongs to the Glock 22

[@TacticalExpedition]

Glock22 sucks ass. haha.. I have one and I know. I would rather have Glock34 than Glock22.

[@Born2doom]

@ hahaha brother I used the Glock 22 for 7 years! She’s a snappy girl! 🤣

[@TacticalExpedition]

You know exact problem with that gun. Very snappy. It was so hard to shoot well with that gun to get into 1911 training for my department. 👍

[@gpittel]

Most used law enforcement gun? Staccato P? Huh🤷‍♂️

[@TacticalExpedition]

Almost half of the officers carry staccato p where I work. More and more officers / deputies wants to carry it and buying the gun. One of most sought after gun for sure. 👍🏼

[@blackirish4416]

👍🏾🇺🇸

[@Ninja9981000]

So far I've been relatively un-impressed with my Trijicon RMR HD unfortunately.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Why? What's your reason for not liking it? Too big and bulky? Light transition not fast enough? Design is ugly? Let me know. Thanks

[@Ninja9981000]

​@@TacticalExpedition fine with the size and look if it, but what I don't like is the light sensor seems to be doing a shitty job of transitioning the brightness to the environment. I thought it would be better than my RMR type 2, but in general, the auto brightness on that does a better job in my opinion, especially out doors. For example, yesterday was a very overcast day and when I took my HD outside, it went to max brightness like it was noon in the desert. That was in "normal" response mode. Turning it down to "low" makes it better outside, but then a lot shittier inside. They should have made it programmable and let you adjust it the way you want it for different lighting conditions, but if that isn't able to be done, they should have made thier programming better. The light sensor and it being able to adjust better than the type 2 was a main selling point to me and it isn't even as useable as the older model.

[@TacticalExpedition]

Oh, at first, I thought that too but once I messed with the settings and adjusted slightly less bright, it works perfectly. I set the Dot to medium brightness and the circle sight to low brightness. Try to adjust some settings and make it better. I don't like the fact that adjusting the setting is very hard.

[@Ninja9981000]

Well, I looked in the manual and I can't seem to find that. I don't use use the circle dot, just the dot. I can't find anything to keep it at normal response and keeping it from getting surface of the sun bright in mild daylight. Im gonna mess with this a bit more and see if I can't figure it out. Maybe I'll call Trijicon and see what they say because this can't be right. If it is, it's a huge swing and a miss in my opinion, at least as far as the auto brightness goes. I like the rest of it. I'll still keep it as it will live on my competition gun and I'll just set the brightness myself, but I was thinking it may trade places with the RMR on my carry gun, but I don't think that will be happening.

[@dorcascross7115]

👍 'Promosm'

[@TacticalExpedition]

I don’t know what that means but ok 🤣

[@rays9033]

Seems very, very risky to run either of these optics for Duty. RCR overhangs the ejection port, which several people have wedged ejecting cartridges between the RCR and port. Also, both optics have open emitters, which means bad weather or debris could disable both optics. Not acceptable for duty service…it’s suicide!

[@TacticalExpedition]

I guarantee that was with XC. They just have to change the recoil spring to the duty version 9-10lbs. No issues at all.

[@rays9033]

@@TacticalExpedition understood, sorry for the confusion! Yeah, it may have been an XC in use by Honest Outlaw and another guy on YT. My concern is the spent cartridge gets wedged between the optic and ejection port. Regardless, it seems like a bad idea to obstruct any part of the ejection port, especially for Duty or Defense. It’s possible the wedge condition could occur when a shooter is in an atypical position (e.g., pistol shot sideways or 45-degrees with port pointing up), which is possible in a defensive situation. It seems reckless to bet your life on it, but less of an issue for Competition…unless you want the win.

[@poke-holo-sports]

Easy

[@cheechtjs]

Glass size is a myth. Target focus , both eyes open , glass size means nothing....... I'll continue to buy the RMR type 2 as long as they keep producing it .....

[@TacticalExpedition]

RMR HD is much better. Once you use it, you will realize it.

[@jabawocki9462]

Glass size matters for height. The taller the glass is, the sooner the dot comes back into view. Both eyes open should help with not seeing the housing, but you cant project a dot onto glass that isn't there. There's a reason the popular dots for competition are the SRO and DPP.

[@TacticalExpedition]

SRO is not approved for Police work so I didn’t buy one. Haha