Joy Division: The Tragic Death of Ian Curtis

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Bauhaus Siouxsie and the Banshees Sisters of Mercy The Birthday Party Trad Goth bands please!

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[@jackblythe8215]

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[@stonyman4062]

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[@rEdf196]

I was 16 when Ian Curtiss committed suicide. I remember their new wave classic hit. Love Will Tare Us Apart. Months later my favourite band Led Zeppelin broke up after their drummer John Bonham died. Then John Lennon getting murdered. 1980 was a rather crappy year.

[@DodgerFan1988]

Bon Scott Darby Crash Tim Hardin Keith Godchaux

[@truelovewontwait]

@@FetishonyoutubeURL 2020 is all out crap for everything man...

[@robwalsh9843]

Get used to our heroes dying. Only being realistic.

[@rEdf196]

@@robwalsh9843 You got that right.

[@thebigbrain1573]

Trust me. The 2010s were waaaaaaaaaaay worse than the 80s

[@ShadowWizard123]

They wrote, performed and recorded Unknown Pleasures in like 3 days. How a work of such genius can materialize so quickly is an eternal mystery.

[@aperson9556]

Martin Harnett did an unbelievable job of producing it too.

[@ShadowWizard123]

@@aperson9556 agreed. He did a great job. His work on Closer was amazing as well

[@Tfististhis]

2022

[@christopherh2336]

Martin Hammett was a genius

[@drowningin]

That album has amazing songs, but it is anything but a great album all the way through. I always preferred the CD to the vinyl so I could skip tracks

[@jackcarraway4707]

Ian Curtis was punk's Edgar Allan Poe; no songwriter caught feelings of sadness, alienation, hopelessness and emptiness like him.

[@Itsarthurgoddamit]

Ian curtis was my grandads uncle

[@edalder2000]

"Love Will Tear Us Apart" was only released as a single.

[@Aubrey_Yates]

True, it is not on the Closer album as stated. Only a single.

[@jacobjames1171]

I was on my Substance CD. Hahaha. I think it was a complication anyway.

[@sp00n666]

I have an 80s pressing of the 12inch single, has two versions of the title track, with these days on the B side, nice 😁 also have the substance album with it on there too...

[@MrZachgonz]

Well hipsters think it was on Unknown Pleasures.

[@joshshrum2764]

It’s just that good of a song.

[@mrkipling2201]

The trouble is that nobody knows what anyone else is actually thinking or what is really going through someone’s head.

[@MusabNaveed]

Life

[@poppaluv]

I tried to kill my self last fall. The virus the back and fourth on what was good/bad, as if i didn't' remember on a friday what i heard on monday as if the whoe world was trying to gaslight us. The media. How they covered the election. The shit they pretended didn't' matter. The lies. The lock down. My anxiety> My chronic pain and suffering i endured, ,right up until that night my wife , who i busted my ass to restore her grand wagoneer, ,took on cruises and trips to europe, told me she no longer loved me. Ii found myself in a hospital waking up from a 3 days after i swam out in to the lake and floated on my back until it was over anfte ingesting a fuck-ton of pills and whiskey no one should have seen me, much less rescued me.

[@Bananapickle23]

That’s why it’s always important to be kind 🤍🤍

[@Outworldmusic101]

Everyone keeps referring me to his music. I don’t mind.

[@mrkipling2201]

@@Bananapickle23 true. Unless kindness isn’t called for. Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind.

[@clivemilburn8449]

Poor Ian, he was unique, nobody else has ever done anything like him. On stage he was almost painful to watch, mesmerising and shocking. He inspired my song writing to completely change direction, before Joy Division nobody wrote such raw and open songs about the darkness of the human condition. I wish he could have carried on.

[@reasonsvoice8554]

What an accurate description if ever ive seen one And what a legend he was

[@pyewackett5]

Poor Ian ?? All his problems were of his own making & at 23 wasn't mature enough to sort em out.

[@theshape4309]

@@pyewackett5 probably wasnt neurotypical which didnt help

[@jimmyknight1609]

@@pyewackett5 Ian is a legend! What have you done?

[@pyewackett5]

@@jimmyknight1609 I'm not saying he isn't music wise. But let's not allow this 'legendary status' to ok his shoddy behaviour towards Deborah. I wouldn't have put up with it & I suspect no one else would either. No one is perfect but we can at least be the best person we can be.

[@incubustimelord5947]

Rest In Peace Ian Curtis.

[@mikehydropneumatic2583]

Love Will Tear Us Apart is not on Closer.

[@followthebrickroad6518]

Ian Curtis is not what I would traditionally think as a “great” singer. But he just works. You know? He proved you don’t need to sound like Dio or Ian Gillian in order to be a good vocalist. His voice is just so atmospheric combined with the rest of joy division.

[@TylerDurden-oy2hm]

You're right he was a natural fit for the band.

[@dereksandy8337]

Pretty sure that having a small vocal range is requirement for all brit alt/indie music, it's what makes it great

[@davidbailey4404]

It's as a lyricist that he really stood out.

[@MultiMcginty]

A bit like Lou Reed and Leonard Cohen. Not conventionally good voices but perfect for the music they wrote.

[@drnerdrage2535]

I think feeling is what matters most when it comes to music, I know "soul" is a cliche at this point but Ian wrote and sang purely from the heart, his lyrics, his vocals, his dancing, it was all the culmination of his lived experiences and I think that is why it works. Human beings evolved to pick up on subtle social clues in language and body and I think someone that legitimately is putting pure emotion into what they are doing, people naturally feel it. Obviously you can't be off key and singing like a seal but I think Ian is the perfect example of soul goes a long way.

[@rosiedore4585]

I loved Joy Division as a teenager, little did I know my younger brother followed my musical tastes and followed the band and then later on New Order. He often spoke about the lyrics Ian wrote. Although I never thought he'd do it. My little brother took his own life in July this year(2022) I was and still am absolutely devastated. Unlike Ian who has a legacy and so many fans to honour his life, my brother only has me and his life means nothing to anyone ☹️

[@AthamAldecua]

Hang in there, Rosie.

[@hisfavworstnightmare]

rosie, i think you can keep your brother’s legacy alive: write poems about how you feel, tell funny stories about him and write down all of his favourite things (his favourite colour, his favourite animal etc), anything you can remember. as long as you can remember & you can help others remember, he will always be honoured ♥️♥️ best wishes for your future

[@rosiedore4585]

@user-po6or6dt3d thank you ,he was very much a loner , I still have a lot of his things around, and lots of music to remind me of him. Thanks for your kind words xx

[@Charlie_Ses]

That his life means something to you is enough. Your brother now rests in peace. So many people live anguished and lonely lives, but that is just the nature of reality sadly. Best not to dwell on these things too much, but to celebrate your brother as you knew him in your own way. Sorry for your loss, but you sound like a terrific big sister.

[@poetessbritt]

He matters to me. 😢

[@markmeade2937]

Ian Curtis was a masterful lyricist, Peter Hook the bassist of Joy Division once said it was only when Ian died did we really understand the meaning of the lyrics and how deep they where. It really is one of the great “what ifs” and how the band would of progressed down the line........ Great loss to music , the surviving music is his legacy.

[@Rayman1971]

New Order kept it going for a bit, until they found their own sound with Gillian...now that Hooky is no longer on the roster, they have an entirely different sound again! IMO, they should have renamed the band from N.O. to something else, just to be consistent!

[@lazytanks4035]

I have epilepsy and it's almost comforting knowing that someone so talented and influential struggled with the same thing I do. It's very rare that I find someone I can relate to so much. RIP Ian.

[@blueduncan9522]

You are not alone mate. My epilepsy is soul-destroying and is preventing me from doing everyday things. I totally understand why Ian left us

[@Kratos-005]

New Dawn Fades is my favourite Joy Division song. RIP Ian.

[@hunterdavis3003]

Great song

[@ou4534]

Definitely the best in my mind ✌

[@marienbad2]

24 Hours, which is on the tape and vinyl versions of the album "Still" is mine.

[@MrZachgonz]

Ceremony and Disorder are mine. But New Dawn Fades is really good.

[@michaeldaniel73]

Atmosphere

[@Red-fv4bi]

This band is the definition of underrated. It’s the Syd Barret of bands, all lost ones

[@Pinebrookjohn75]

In the us yes. But in the uk they had hits

[@orbit5311]

They’re a really popular New Wave band wym?

[@Kratos-005]

If you go to Manchester. There are huge paintings of Ian Curtis on the side of buildings. They might be underrated in different parts of the world. But, they still have a cult following in the UK.

[@tinkleballsniff2913]

I hate your pfp. I keep thinking I have stuff highlighted on my computer

[@SetFire2TheNightSky]

@@orbit5311 Post Punk, not New Wave.

[@mikewilson3581]

Joy Division and New Order are my favorite bands. I've collected so many CD's, Vinyl, Books and DVD's on both bands through the years. Closer is a masterpiece. My favorite album.

[@hunterdavis3003]

I like you

[@erichanhauser3190]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[@hippieshake2580]

I saw joy division when they first started when they supported the buzzcocks at the Bournemouth winter gardens UK. It's the scene off the movie control when Ian Curtis has a epileptic fit on stage and has to get pulled off, at the time I didn't catch what was happening as it happened so quick but the Theatre was much bigger than portrayed on the film with lots of seating and upstairs as well. Showing my age lol.

[@soundofsulfer]

That’s cool. You were apart of history.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

Well age is a number. If it makes you feel better, i seen Cliff Burton live. Youre not that old friend.

[@jojo-lp4rd]

really fun reading your story, I can only imagine - must have been such an awesome scene!

[@istvanfoy-roberts868]

Wow, that's cool. I wish I could have seen them. I saw New Order twice back in the early-mid 80s, but they weren't JD.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

@@Johnny-lr5jt fine, here we go....im so old im farting dust.

[@chalupacabra1727]

I love this band still. So much left on the table. It breaks my heart.

[@johngreenleaf5713]

Im glad some of the members continued into new order

[@lilo5437]

I think this is one of the most tragic losses in Music. I can personally relate to having physical and mental illnesses and the feeling that no one understands you and you don’t understand yourself. I simply cannot listening to LWTUA without sobbing and thinking of what he must have felt like. RIP Ian ✨

[@thomasfleischer83]

I definitely agree with your comment!

[@nicksaunders4593]

Joy Division is criminally underrated and were churning out amazing music in such a short span of time. Having performed 120 shows in just 29 months, I could only imagine the pressure that faced Ian as his personal life and physical health deteriorated. The fact that they released all of this amazing music while being in their early 20s just shows how brilliant all of these lads were. R.I.P Ian

[@Mr.Steve-O]

3 friends and I had tickets to see JD at The Starwood in LA in June 1980, to hear of Ian's passing the day before he was to board a plane to NYC was devastating to us as young kids. It still stings and that was the gig that got away. R.I.P. Ian Curtis

[@SuperMinecrafter200]

He passed the day before he was to take the plane to the US

[@kkjoe1911]

Dolores was supposed to record a version of Zombie with Bad Wolf the day after she drunk drowned in her bathtub.... 😯

[@tomfile3131]

I'm 58 years old, and a newcomer to Joy Division. I like them very much.

[@NikoHL]

Get outta here. I can't believe you haven't heard of JD. We're the same age.. That's impossible.

[@tomfile3131]

@@NikoHL I was a victim of FM radio for decades. What can I say ?

[@whereispie]

@@tomfile3131 welcome to the club 🥁

[@briananderson9164]

Cheers friend

[@barbarapalmer8224]

@@whereispiesomebody has just introduced me to.J D..and l am quite a bit older than Tom file...won't say how much older lol.

[@ivabolin7426]

I have epilepsy and its depressing af so I completely understand him.

[@TallicaClifford81]

@@canislupus2146 side effects... I think u like Fantastic Mr.Fox

[@LucasPenido]

Stay Strong Iva! You got this!!! 👊

[@MAKO_0970]

He wrote 'She's lost control' about someone he knew who had epilepsy. He wrote it before he was diagnosed with it himself

[@noecazares2144]

It is a spirit and Jesus came to set us free. Some come out through prayer and fasting and some just come out instantly at the name of Jesus. Suicide is only the beginning of eternal torment in hell. Jesus came to save us. God bless you.

[@the_even_toed_ungulate.]

@@noecazares2144 keep it in church toss pot.

[@DokkaChapman]

You missed the fact that Throbbing Gristle's Genesis P-Orridge stated that they got a call from Curtis the night of his death. Apparently he chatted to Genesis and showcased some lyrics he was working on. It was through this conversation that P-Orridge had a feeling that Ian wasn't going to be on this Earth for much longer.

[@FrostedSeagull]

Joy Division were way way ahead of their time. Joy Division that didtinct drum and bass sound copied ad infinitum. E.g. the Goth movement from Bauhaus to the Sisters of Mercy. Joy Division were T H E band that gave birth to the alternative/ underground Independent (referred to as Indie) music scene. It was this alternative scene that a decade later Nirvana would claim the title too.

[@louistown7835]

Velvet Underground started alternative quite a while before Joy Division

[@MiniMight]

I would say joy division inspired specifically goth a lot more, they were a post punk band and goth was kinda born from post punk. As far as the title alternative goes, they have an entirely different sound from the alternative most people think off

[@kristyjohnson2820]

Or, they were right on time.

[@ForARide]

@@MiniMight Well before that you had Nico with her albums The Marble Index (1968) and Desertshore (1970), both arranged and the latter produced by the Velvet Underground's musical mastermind John Cale. Those two albums are the musical foundation of Goth. Even if their influence on Joy Division is not documented, you can hear that JD had a close listen to Nico's and Cale's ground breaking sound. In case you haven't heard anything yet, here's a video starring Iggy Pop, although he has nothing to do with the music. Evening Of Light by Nico (and John Cale): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJrIc39pp72giMU

[@marcosaquino9485]

Velvet Underground did it first than then, not only that but The Smiths, Sonic Youth are way more impressive and kind influential than JD, hell even The Cure got the crown of The Post Punk Band because of their sound and Robert Smith's Goth Persona and Visual

[@nineteen8486]

l lived down the street from Ian.......he was a gentle soul

[@lukaboje]

I live really close to Ian Curtis's house, every day I'm walking past his house, sometimes I go to his house and think about him and start talking to him, It gives me so much peace. I still cannot believe how he took his own life in that house. You can't get into that house and also no one is living in the house, but you still can see the decorations in the window, and the upstairs room's window is half open, full of spider webs. There are lots of things about him around Macclesfield. Rest in peace, Ian Curtis.

[@IvanLendl87]

JD’s catalogue, while not voluminous, doesn’t contain a single duff track. “Transmission” is definitely one of the greatest post-punk tracks. Then there are phenomenal JD songs such as “No Love Lost”, “Shadowplay”, “Disorder”, “Dead Souls”, “Digital” etc. I know “Love Will Tear Us Apart” gets all the press (and it is a wonderful song). Ian Curtis was a huge fan of The Doors and you can definitely hear Jim Morrison’s vocal influence on Ian. And while Bauhaus often gets credited as starting the Goth genre, JD probably deserve at least a co-credit in that regard.

[@neilpye6089]

Atmosphere is a great listen

[@IvanLendl87]

@@neilpye6089 Yep awesome song

[@TheCheesecakedeath]

Ceremony

[@CitroChannel]

"New Dawn Fades" is perhaps their best track IMO.

[@patriciosotelo9007]

Colony

[@steveosk8s]

The fact that joy division was an iconic, influential band, and then even after Ian's death, the band went on to become another highly influential, iconic band, just shows how great all of them are/were. It's also good that instead of keeping the same sound they had with Ian, they went in an entirely different direction.

[@ProjectFlashlight612]

Imagine if "Love Will Tear Us Apart" was the beginning and not the end.

[@rosssmith8481]

I remember when most people had never heard of a lot of these bands back then. Only a small minority, especially in North America listened to alternative music. It certainly wasn't played on the radio. I once went to go see Depeche Mode at a local club one night. There must of been 50 people there.

[@marguskiis7711]

When the DM gig was?

[@davidbailey4404]

They were played on college radio, I know because I played them and so did a few of my DJ friends. When you want to hear quality new music on radio in the US, you need to go to the far left of the dial. Many years later, this still applies.

[@RRaquello]

I was living in NYC at the time, so you'd find more people at a gig, but you'd never hear these groups on any radio station besides a college station or a non-commercial FM station. I went to shows by the Fall & Gang of Four, Flipper or Bad Brains and a few other groups, and they were played in clubs, and the club would be packed for these bands, but if there were 500 people there, they were probably all of the 500 people in NYC who had ever heard of them. These groups might have been popular in the UK, but were pretty obscure over here. The biggest name band I got to see was the Clash when they played at the Palladium on 14th Street, which could actually fit a couple of thousand people. I don't know where JD's planned US shows were going to be held, but it wouldn't have been at as big a place as the Palladium.

[@RRaquello]

@@davidbailey4404 I used to listen to a New Jersey college station, WFMU, which I think was Fairleigh Dickinson. They played this kind of stuff, but even they only played it on late night shows. I remember they had a Saturday night midnight show I listened to every week that played a lot of the "alternative", punk & new age stuff, but I don't know what this station played in the day time.

[@jeffdekimpe1746]

New Order did an admirable job of carrying on what probably would have been Joy Division’s sound.

[@Hygelac1000]

I think Ian would've preserved the edge. N.O. got a little too 80s-y for my taste, though they did come up with some stellar tracks.. Blue Monday probably captures the essence of JD best if it continued.

[@hamupinhere]

@@Hygelac1000 I think "Movement" was as close as it gets to being Joy Division without actually being Joy Division. The rest of their catalog has more in common with Giorgio Morodor than the 70's post-punk sound they helped pioneer.

[@Hygelac1000]

@@hamupinhere Movement may as well be a JD album. I meant that Blue Monday is the peak of NO flexing their evolution from JD, if that makes sense. I hear their origin and journey in one song. Probably why I like it so much.

[@hamupinhere]

@@Hygelac1000 Yeah I hear you. If you take the keys out, and the Oberheim DMX programming, 'Blue Monday' could very easily have been Joy Division. On the flip side, you keep the studio track as is and it is definitively (and literally) New Order.

[@BoudicaJ]

No they didn’t

[@ministerofdarkness]

Unknown Pleasures & Closer are Post Punk Masterpieces! PLAY LOUD 🌫

[@larrydavid6852]

Closer is my favourite record of all time.

[@yvonnelyons5469]

So very sad and an explanation of how depression destroys those who suffer the disease. Here was a guy who had potentially the world at his feet. Great talent, beguiling looks, adoring fans with music business credits and lots more. Unfortunately, the probable shame - only felt by him, because of having epilepsy and the curse of that terrible mental disease, depression (still largely misunderstood and untreatable) RIP Ian Curtis

[@briantyson7095]

Very insightful. What a shame that it continues.

[@brokencandy1797]

Annick wasn't his acquaintance, she was his mistress.

[@alexwestconsulting]

yeah it even explicitly stated "girlfriend" in the quote he read. Odd that he would skip over that.

[@marguskiis7711]

More like a groupie. She adored Ian and Ian liked it.

[@alexwestconsulting]

@@marguskiis7711 Can't say this is true. Annik was a cold fish by all accounts. I don't think "adore" was in her vocabulary.

[@user-oj7bn5fq4m]

@@alexwestconsulting Even in an interview back in 2010 she still seems to have had hurtful things to say about Deborah. I cannot defend Ian but Annik always portrayed herself as the only saint in his short life until her death. She even said she wished Ian’s daughter Natalie would contact her to learn the “truth”. I have no ill will towards her; but she was just the other woman. Deborah was the mother of Ian’s only child and the muse for his songs. Ian’s last writing and communication was to Deborah, not her.

[@maritheresereyes]

@@user-oj7bn5fq4m In the Joy Division docu movie, Annik was almost insinuating that she was a close friend and not a mistress since she said their relationship was 'chaste'. While the rest of the band clearly called her Ian's girlfriend. There are no excuses. She knew Ian was married and their relationship caused much distress to Debbie who was almost single-handedly keeping the family together. May she rest in peace but no excuses still (both Ian and Annik).

[@uadimwit]

"To Ian Curtis, the man who showed me the true beauty of absolute ugliness." J. O. Barr The dedication of "The Crow" comic.

[@anthonymackey222]

You didn't mention that he was also influenced by Jim Morrison as well.

[@Dzanarika1]

They, both, were tortured souls.

[@samhaines8228]

touching from a distance getting further all the time

[@danielpimenta2598]

Transmission

[@sonnyvictor3584]

Ian curtis easily could have been the biggest rockstar. Depression took him away

[@jimsound7888]

I had the privilege of working on a film called control. 3 days on one song with 5 mins of acting. Debrah and Peter Hook were there as technical advisors. Learnt alot about the band. The party of the film were ian had a fit on stage, that was the scene we worked on. The actors actually played the song themselves. Acted to their own playback we recorded on day 2

[@vintagecherries]

Oh wow

[@TontonRico]

How lucky!!!

[@rosentrantz0]

Thanks. New Order had a whole documentary out, where they just said "Ssh, it's a secret" when asked about the circumstances of Ian Curtis taking his own life, and at least you summed that up.

[@nogglebeak]

This is one of the most tragic stories in rock history. The poor kid never even came near his prime. His music has now lived over twice as long as he did and is just as relevant as ever.

[@TheSeaAngel11]

Just saw New Order last week in Texas. It was an incredible show. The finale was a melody of Joy Division songs ❤

[@tatayaya]

An Ideal For Living is a great punk record. Raw, manic, and with really depressing and dark lyrics.

[@dudeman7208]

Love will tear us apart was never released on an album it was just a single but it was the last full song ever recorded

[@bradaldy3001]

@Stinkfoot23 Ceremony and In a Lonely Place were the last 2 songs Joy Division recorded

[@dudeman7208]

@@bradaldy3001 You are correct my bad

[@bradaldy3001]

@@dudeman7208 No worries

[@Dorvita]

The movie Control was absolutely amazing, well written superbly acted and the artistry of the whole film captured in black and white blew me away. Ive watched it many times and each time I find something I had missed previously. Superb video thanks for sharing much love and respect from Scotland xoxox subbed away to binge watch now :o)

[@davidmandell9909]

Joy Division created catastrophically gorgeous music. Their music hypnotizes, inviting the listener to experience the pain of its author; the genius Ian Curtis........

[@reasonsvoice8554]

Unknown pleasures really is an absolute work of art Listen to it through some really good modern headphones it sounds amazing you hear so much you didnt before

[@lewisb85]

He didn't have a "dead end job" infact tony wilson described Ian as being the only one with career prospects outside Joy Division, part of the conflict inside him was the job and the married life vrs the band, other thing as well the last person he spoke to was Genesis P orridge of throbbing gristle, apparently he sang the words to a throbbing gristle song about suicide down the phone, and genesis realized "oh shit hes going to kill himself". It caused a lot of tension between the London and Manchester scenes as some of the guys from This Heat and some of the London bands took Gen's side as when Gen tried to contact people in Manchester the response they got was "he's just being dramatic" when he tried to get people to go and check on Ian.

[@ryanc7616]

finally, someone who actually KNOWS something about ian + JD and actually gives a toss about the difference between fact and speculation. i *knew* i would be seething and keening and wailing and rending my garments and gnashing my teeth and bedazzling my monitor with bits of half chewed pizza when i first saw this video in my 'recommended' list - NOBODY gets the damned story right, and it seems to be destiny that the myth of this band and ian in particular shall overshadow the music, the facts. at least know which songs are on which albums/singles - this music means a lot to certain people and we owe it to his/their legacy to tell the story straight should we endeavor to tell it at all.

[@marguskiis7711]

Actually Bernie was making proper career as designer and animator. Ian was just a clerk, like Morris.

[@lewisb85]

@@marguskiis7711 Ian was a Assistant Disablement Resettlement Officer, who's modern equivalent is an assistant social worker (after the social work reforms of the 90s). It's actually the job I trained to do.

[@simonparker7066]

Years down the line Gen went on to release I C Waters with PTV - in tribute to Ian Curtis. People often overlook how young all members of JD were. Unfortunately, they were young and trying to deal with all sorts of new pressures. This was a group of young lads. They were enjoying the success that was breaking through but that also is a pressure - to do more gigs etc. They weren't worldly wise and they were in the moment - they didn't have the benefit of hindsight to dissect lyrics and think whether there was any underlying message. I can fully imagine Gen trying to convey his worry over Ian and being told he was just being dramatic - that's exactly how most would react at that time.

[@lewisb85]

@@simonparker7066 The other thing as well is that Gen was a little bit older and had been round the block a few times as far as coming from Manchester originally but having lived in London, Hull and a few other places due to education and also due to his fathers work. it's almost like gen could see what was going on more than the others due to his little bit more worldly wiseness, apparently he told curtis about if he didn't like being in a band he could just stop doing the band etc, but curtis would have seen that as him letting everybody down.

[@l.thegirl2581]

When I hear stories like this, it really makes me sad. As a nurse, I feel like this man's pressures and precarious mental and physical situation should have been recognized. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, but this death seems preventable. Being in a touring band was not a good professional fit for this person. Nowadays a creative individual like Curtis could probably have put his music out without such a risk to his health and welfare. When you're 23, hanging around with other 23 year olds, you just don't have the life experience to put this situation in order. I hope that he enjoys whatever comes after this life.

[@kevinroulette]

One of my favorite bands. So cool you did a story on them. Thanks and keep up the great work

[@TontonRico]

Sad anniversary today, may the 18th. RIP Ian, forever In my heart and soul.

[@toybarons]

Often the brightest lights are brief and spectacular. I was 17 0r 18 when I saw the video for "Love will Tear Us Apart" here in Canada. I remember just being mesmerized by the doors and their sound. Had no idea who Joy Division was but that song made me into a fan. Even now in my 50s, those 2 records always put me into a special place whenever i listen to them. Just beautiful.

[@levvis7995]

Ian Curtis was so unbelievably talented. I get goosebumps every time I hear Joy Division play

[@edalder2000]

There is a fantastic Joy Division live CD called "Les Baines Douches" The CD's first 9 tracks were recorded for French radio and have fantastic sound. Those live songs are powerful and the live Joy Division is unlike the band on their studio albums. If you can find it, Bono spoke of recording U2's debut album "Boy" down the hall from Joy Division when they were recording "Closer."

[@tompanoname3579]

...and still he did not learn anything.

[@mikehydropneumatic2583]

I got that on record, the second album is recorded in Amsterdam and Eindhoven.

[@TontonRico]

Gosh! I was in Paris with some friends that night. We had to choose between two gigs: Joy D at the Bains Douches or XTC at the Bataclan. We went to XTC, but Andy Partridge was sick and the show was shitty. Later, I listened to the Bains Douches CD: the best JD's live recording by far. I will regret my choice for the rest of my life.

[@wholeo9467]

You should do Siouxsie sioux and the banshees

[@noelabrera6634]

Thank you for featuring one of the greatest and most SPECIAL bands of all time

[@jimmyknight1609]

No words can express how great and amazing Joy Division are, or how much Ian Curtis has meant to me ! No other band from. Rhis category even comes close to their greatness!

[@globalparadise6979]

I thought what they were doing might last a decade or so, but I had no idea Ian was tapping into a core of universal sound vibrations, sonic waves that would reverberate for forty two years, that continue to resonate to this day.

[@isaacsilverman5249]

Joy Division and New order. Unique bands that when you first heard them consumed you in cool way.

[@tuckercarlsonsmicropenis1283]

This must be the first time I’ve seen IC’s wedding picture, WOW!!

[@reasonsvoice8554]

Magical aint it 😂 70s+80s fashions left a lot to be desired 😂

[@DeathMetalRob]

sad part of this story is it shows "specialists" then much like now don't know what the hell they're doing and just want to dope you up. i know from experience.

[@taffy5337]

Well I sympathise with people with conditions like epilepsy but I got call you out for the specialist don't know what they are doing, it is a unfair line. If you said the research or medical science has got gaps in its knowledge that is a accurate statement. I admit my bias, I have family members were and are nurses who from my experience are trained within framework of the knowledge we have in medical science. Anyway I do hope whatever you are suffering from, you one day find it easier or better still there is a cure for it.

[@RogueBoyScout]

yeah, nah. You had a bad experience, my sympathies. But I have seen so much lives transformed by "specialists" for the better ( As a "consumer" LOL). Plus I have found that when it comes to these things, it's usually the patient thinking they know better that has a way more detrimental effect. But yeah, let's put it all on the "specialists",. Not the drug use, party lifestyle, the shitty house life, ect ect.. It's always the doctor's fault... (My comments are a generalisation. I wasn't hanging around Ian Curtis to give a proper insight into his story, but let's be real here. He didn't die from Epilepsy. JS)

[@justinebourke2811]

Totally agree with you

[@stonyman4062]

Love love will tear us apart rip Ian 😿

[@jamiecowell2899]

I always refer to "closer" as closer as in closing album because it was they're last.

[@bexlyspeed]

Rob Gretton wasn’t the DJ at the Hacienda , he, new order and factory records bought opened the hacienda with new order’s money in the early 80s

[@TheEWFX29]

Wow this is definitely a cut and paster. I heard these stories almost exactly from the biography on both Ian and the band.

[@LinaTinaTTS]

How sad. His marital life seemed so dark. I understood he had depression but I don’t think I knew he had seizures. Depression is an ugly beast. Rest In Peace

[@pyewackett5]

Well if yr gonna run 2 women at once & expect everything to be rosy then things are going to end up dark. Naivety in the extreme.

[@Sasquatch10]

They were the worst possible seizures too, what's called Grand Mal seizures. It's a fucked up coincidence too because when he was working his desk job helping people with health problems find jobs, one of the women he was helping and was friends with ended up having a seizure in public and passed away as a result. That's what he wrote the song "She's Lost Control" about.

[@BoudicaJ]

I can’t take anyone seriously who doesn’t know Love Will Tear Us Apart is a single only 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@Montano76]

love everything about ian his voice, lyrics and overall his music. such a shame he took his life really young at 23. Atleast he gave us some really good music. Only wish he’d given us like 5 more albums. RIP Ian 🖤

[@arthurmurray9727]

Cool video man , keep it going Please more joy division

[@cancel1913]

This a very well made excellent video. I'm new at discovering this band and it's Singer. Tragic story indeed. But the music is great.

[@vashna3799]

Ian Curtis was our Kurt Cobain

[@wangdangdoodie]

But without the talent!

[@stillnessspeaks4080]

Kurt Cobain was my Kurt Cobain.. he killed himself when I was 17. I listened to Joy Division later.

[@Keepingyoung]

@@wangdangdoodieNirvana is my favorite band and Kurt is my favorite singer, but you’re an imbecile if you think Ian had no talent

[@neilpye6089]

Wasaw pakt featured larry wallis and lucas fox from mk1 motorhead, peter hook was questioned by police in the 1970s during the hunt for the Yorkshire ripper peter Sutcliffe

[@daBEAGLE1017]

Many were questioned in Peter Sutcliffes investigation. Hook just because of Joy Division touring schedule matched up with the crimes. Wierd. Peter S met many influential people in england somehow too.

[@nema1218]

Interesting!

[@bonniecat2918]

Wow 😳

[@ryanfreebody6881]

Ah the great Ian Curtis. Unknown Pleasures and Closer will always be near the top of my all time favourite albums. I don't know what it is about his voice, but it tunes in finely with my soul. Decades and A Means to an End will always be my favourite, of course the most known one Love Will Tear Us Apart holds a place there too.

[@whitters1980]

Great video! Please consider doing one on Richie Edwards from the Manic Street Preachers! His story is also tragic !

[@bobbest418]

I grew up listening to JD in the '80s, and I ended up in East Surrey hospital a while back after my first overdose attempt...time is running out for me...next time I won't call an ambulance...Ian Curtis R.I.P. 🖤(15 July 1956 - 18 May 1980)

[@blakelyhall8191]

Hey there, hope all is well your way mate!! Throw on some N.O. (Maybe technique) if you never gave them a proper chance

[@BrianKapellusch]

The Hacienda is legendary in birthing the UK House music scene

[@larrydavid6852]

Also in bankrupting New Order and Factory Records.

[@TheMrKBG]

Quite a few errors on this video. Love Will Tear Us Apart doesn't appear on Closer. Ian wasn't childhood friends with Peter and Bernard, but they did know of each other from the local music scene. Ideal For Living was an EP, not an album. Alan Erasmus didn't even get a mention? Still, thanks for the video.

[@jamesthompson3016]

Rip Ian Curtis you are very loved ❤️

[@214Castor_Troy]

Poor Ian. He just got into a dark time in his life. If he only had someone around him in life to tell him dark times dont last for forever.

[@tonysoprano7193]

People never really know about the "before" years but this band pretty much stayed there. Such a great band with even greater songs! Depression is real, it's destroyed so many lives. RIP Ian

[@mamasadie5219]

He was very troubled, may he rest in peace

[@catherineflanagan1587]

Thankyou for remembering ian Curtis.what a loss 😔

[@nigelcarren]

Nice to hear John Robb getting a mention! Best hair in music journalism. 👍🏆🇬🇧

[@Aliendirtbag]

RIP Ian Curtis ✨

[@johnnyvicars1226]

I was 9 when Ian died. Nothing that has been released since or before had the same effect on me. I lived through their songs. I would have liked to see where it might have gone, but then sometimes its best to appreciate what we got.

[@henryjones3872]

Great job my man! Excellent video! Thanks. 🙏

[@UrbanRally]

i saw control when i was in HS. it blew me away.

[@denisefreitas6727]

Joy Division is timeless!

[@jennziff3830]

OMG i love joy division !!!!!! RIP IAN CURTIS!!!!!!!🖤🖤RIP MY MOM 6-2-2020'

[@suspiciouschicken]

Even in pictures you can tell he's somewhere else not in a bad way he's just seeing the world differently

[@felixVanDiemen]

I like the commenter that said "Ian was like punks Edgar Allen Poe" that's a bloody good comparison!

[@psyckchyck]

The amount of money they were living off of does get converted to approximately $450 in today's value. Still extremely rough, but not as bad as it could have been. Likely, that was one of the few nice things in his head space. They were finally on their way, able to quit the job he hated. Depression grabs at a person without rhyme or reason. Devastating. Absolutely devastating.

[@e.m.b2834]

On May 18th 1980 my St. Helens in Washington state erupted and killed 57 people dumping ash inches deep in my hometown .. I like to think the earth responded when Ian took his last breathe... it would be a few years later for me to discover joy division as a teen.. but now that date is etched forever in my psyche

[@elizabethcotton4659]

As a Manc. I really loved your synopsis on this x

[@sammencia7945]

I lived DC Area and knew of the tour. Planned to catch one or two shows that May.

[@marguskiis7711]

Wilson was just a TV presenter in 1977, he did the Factory label later.

[@bastey.7287]

great video !!

[@LikeaRobotFrom1984]

Great video, Joy Division lives on and on! Talk about the band Public Image Ltd, formed by the Sex Pistols' John Lydon after the band's breakup. As well, I'd like to ask you to talk about the grunge kings Mother Love Bone and singer Andrew (Andy) Wood. Thank you!

[@petewoodman4736]

Not a bad video, but the album Closer does not contain the song Love Will Tear Us Apart