Gurdjieff Silliness

As with all spiritual cults, silliness has become part of the Gurdjieff cult.
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[@simonreynolds1140]

Ouspensky once said that for all Gurdjieff's efforts and work to help wake us up, he's received nothing but slander and gossip as reward. Continues to this day. I spent years in an Ouspensky work group and it completely changed my life and inner being. Before passing judgement and spreading misinformation, maybe try actually practicing the Work and see what gifts it unfolds.

[@ootenyafoo6935]

We are all placed in a pitch black round room wanting to find the black cat in the corner.....

[@michaelibbeken9739]

Thank you. Very good comments on the dangers of a cult or group. But the true value of his work evades most intellectuals, because the ascent from World 48 to World 24 and to World 12 does NOT come from the Thinking Mind, but only through the awakening of Conscience, which in itself cannot be " done " or accomplished by thought, it comes by Grace and help from C Influence.

[@iscosphilosophy9120]

Missed you Martin.

[@anthonydimichele837]

The work face? ha! I was in a group in Seattle for a while, it was directed by Dr Jacob Needleman who, it seemed to me, used the group to sell his books! Everybody in the group also seemed pretentious and elitist. Even those of us who were poor. It was as if they possessed some great secret, which they didn't. A complete farce and waste of time.

[@rachelcollins931]

No-one knows more than anyone else. We’re all clueless 🤣

[@francisdec1615]

I have had university teachers and "fellow" students like that when studying humanities at the university. This was in Sweden, but Stephen King often writes mockingly about the English institutions in the US in his books, and it seems like this is a universal thing.

[@ciararespect4296]

@@rachelcollins931 strangely I was raised in the cult of catholicism. When young I felt "otherly" that is fairly smug in the knowledge that I knew there was a God and I was working towards being "saved" for want of a better word ALL religions are like this. They create a them and us and are divisive. It's what the leaders want as they're financially rewarded and also keep the population fairly quiet only led into what to think and who to be against

[@travisedwards8299]

Needleman is a false interpreter Like Nottingham

[@travisedwards8299]

Good to see your back Martin :)

[@jackfrost884]

What excellent timing

[@Gvarab]

Maurice Nicolls Pychological commentaries on the reaching of George Gurgieff helpedme thruogh a severe live criais, so enough said, they fave me both a nethod and purpose

[@yacou9]

Not much to say about Gurdjieff that you don't know, but he quite explicitly stated that he was TRYING to wake people up. He never claimed to have achieved it, and even Belzebub reminds us of this by indicating how much almost all hope is already lost. But it is probably precisely in this complete awareness of our mediocrity and powerlessness that some liberation may happen. The problem is that everyone assumes there's such a thing as someone you can fully trust and blindly follow...there's no such thing.

[@Cosmos142857]

"I lay down at night by this ancient rock and in my sleep it spoke to me." Once, a friend told me about an older sports car he had bought, "I've got a vibration at around 90mph." He said. I replied, " Your harmonic balancer is probably too worn and needs changed." Later, I looked up what a harmonic balancer was. Later still, I looked at that old Gurdjieff book and wondered, "Is that where these odd and amazing ideas are coming from? It is no wonder he had so many accidents; he did some dangerous shit. Indeed, some might think him a bit looney. Kinda the same shit with Cormac's last two books.

[@ciararespect4296]

Trick of changing names is as old as the hills. Look at singers and celebs. Thousands of them change their name

[@elap3099]

Brilliant as always :-)

[@musinKanto]

Isn’t Silliness is essential too? Letting Reasoning run wild outside set forms we know within our grasp of forms in time and space. One example: how artists build new techniques and philosophers make their unpublished essays, or even children develop their innate abilities within their environment. So, no silliness made me frown my left eye. Although intentional of this video might need further explanation on what type of silliness in particular. Intention of silliness though, has to be with eyes on the goal and feet on the ground. I say this without ever being in a Gurdjieff group.

[@BobHank2]

Girdjieff used misdirection, obfuscation, mockery and a confident demeanor to obtain his deepest desire: control over the wills of others. Apply Nietzschean Will to Girdjieff's case and his goal is revealed. What revelations did he communicate that we're not written by those before him? None. No great insights. Instead, he presented himself as the Profound One. And by maintaining this Character Role, he attracted and maintained weak souls who longed for Certainty. He's Jim Jones for intellectuals.

[@noahbrown4388]

Pass the koolaid ;)

[@8xnnr]

Everyone does.

[@thegimp1922]

Martin fell for it.

[@marksmith5260]

c: why aren't there jokes about jim jones? r: because the punchline is too long.

[@simonreynolds1140]

This is pure ignorance. No great insights? Please enlighten us all exactly where you have found the vast ideas of the Work expounded by Gurdjieff in older texts? Fragments or reflections maybe, but not complete. Even just something basic like Man is not conscious. Or the idea of Lying as talking about things you know nothing about as though you know and can know them. Where did you find that?

[@unknownhollow4141]

The most spiritually brilliant work is your tweets Martin. Seriously. Please make videos about those. Like ''humans have human thoughts like hamsters have hamster thoughts'' and ''I read something so profound I forgot it already''. Such perspectives are way more fun and wise than all your Schopenhauer/Spinoza/Kant depressing stuff.

[@fromafricaicame5909]

You seen this new mooji guy? Same shit different decade

[@dbuck1964]

Yep, same circus 🎪 different clowns! 🤡

[@ciararespect4296]

Haha yea

[@bogieviews]

I agree with your assessment of many people in G groups. Politics and ego enter any organization. But if a person is a real seeker, that will become evident. If there are others who also have that spark, then one can benefit. You are there to try. If others also try, a field of helpful energy is created. If "group one" decides that you do something that seems stupid, you just do it and watch your reaction. Much can be gained if you put aside your own "better judgement". You get out of it what you work for. edit - in addition if the group you are in is connected to the G Foundation and there are occasional visits from senior members, then things can become more intense, even extraordinary.

[@beemaurice7035]

The phenomenon is profoundly psychological - He wants to give back what he has gained from Mr Gurdjieff, but he did not complete his studies, so he is dumbing it down to Spinoza, Kant, and others.

[@rideforever]

People have opinions .... they particularly like those stories were Gurdjieff didn't live up to an image, or somebody who abandoned the system. They love to talk about that. That's why Protestantism exists. This is how human beings live, by circling around and looking for holes. But ... who ever actually spends enough time practicing and doing what is taught, to see for themselves what the results are ? Very, very few. Humans live in talk and backstabbing - it's everywhere, it's a global sport. Ouspensky abandoned Gurdjieff very early in 1915, he says that on the last page of ISOTM, and he creates his own "the system", which later failed. It was not Gurdjieff's teaching. Bennett likewise .... he was kicked out of many Gurdjieff groups for being a charlatan, and started several of his own religions, he became a Catholic monk, he studied Sufism, then Subud. So your two key witnesses are poorly chosen as they themselves are blaggards. And so, I suggest to you that your knowledge of the history is poor, which suggests that you have spent a lot of time with people who can't read the words on the page. Humanity is a living disaster of wars violence and negativity - it is not such an easy place to find the truth than just joining a "gurdjieff group" where people read but do not read. One has to be able to love and hate equally or you cannot navigate through this world.

[@dante666jt]

Walking contradiction

[@ciararespect4296]

I think even gurdijeff is to be taken with a huge handful of salt None of these people know anything. Many are suckers to follow this disciple or that guru but it's all mumbo jumbo

[@dante666jt]

@@ciararespect4296 right

[@pretheeshgpresannan4172]

Maybe Ouspensky was still trapped in his intellect--intellect can fool one quite easily. But at least he had the courage to see he was fooled. The work only begins when one has exhausted enough to see-stand the limit of intellect. If intellect can stay alert within its limit then magic can enter. Confident one is with his intellect or reason the more delayed his beginning of work.

[@idan4989]

Never understood all that hype around Gurdjieff , khrisna, etc.. they all said things people said before them. being a guru is money maker, Gurdjieff took most of his ideas from carl jung.

[@KP-wi6in]

if you knew anything about gurdjieff and jung, you'd know they were not espousing similar ideas. gurdjieff was pretty damn unique. he did in fact say things people did not say before him.

[@idan4989]

@@KP-wi6in example?

[@KP-wi6in]

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