These deaths will be a HUGE setback for OnlyFangs

[@Kaepora2]

Fresh lvl 1s for Christmas. That has to be the most metal gift of all.

[@gamonwillsaveus]

Sadge Grubby died was enjoying his first time playing, discovering new zones and playing in dungeons. RIP go agane

[@AndrewNajash]

That unstuck death is actually bullshit. If she was trying to abuse unstuck as a travel skip or something then GG, but she got genuinely stuck on terrain and used the mechanic for its intended purpose. If blizz can restore characters that’s the best case for restoring an unfair death I’ve seen.

[@arksin11]

blizz dont care

[@DeadMenTellNoTales69]

She could of gotten out..

[@SetysSAK]

Blizzard should never restore characters even if it is unfair. That's true hardcore experience ,sometimes it fucks up, sometimes you got DC. Once if they open this door for "unfair" deaths and restore characters, it will be veeery bad. People will find excuses for random things or abuse it to get back their character.

[@stinger15au]

@@SetysSAK I feel like its a little different when blizz says "you are in a safe place" then you log in and you are not. That's not a game mechanic. This feels very unfair, more than any bug or dc.

[@Wedgez]

@@SetysSAK It's different when Blizzard straight up lies to you lmao.

[@TraxisOnTheLines]

I love people like you and Xaryu doing hindsight assessments because they keep me alive. I've learned from so many hardcore clips and I learn so much more when people explain what could have happened, what tools were available, what is actually happening in each situation, etc.

[@Nnoo1987]

yep but I am new to hardcore and keep dying cause i am do stupid shit we live we learn I guess

[@raduradu334]

If you dont know reset spots in dungeons u still die😂

[@Daloofus]

People need to remember. This is an irregular game mode. You signed up for heartbreak when your character entered the world. WoW, in all it's flawed glory, was not intended to play as HC. Especially for a bunch of brand new players.

[@Faemoonkin]

When you hit enter world you must accept that it will end at some point in time to some randomness. And that is okay.

[@holysecret2]

HC is fun as long as you live, the close calls are really fun when you survive, but everything turns into frustration when you don't actually make it. The insane amount of time it takes to get to your lost progress really requires you to 100% subscribe to the mindset that the journey is the destination. I'm enjoying HC myself so far, but once I die to something outside my control, I don't think I will give it another try.

[@Corrupted]

100%, but the unstuck feature getting someone killed is incredibly stupid - one of the very few cases that should get reverted imo

[@jamesg9468]

Yep, in HC you know it will end at some point. Falling in BRD is much more respectable than the Barrens

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Yeah but losing a character you invested weeks of time into over Blizzard own failure to fix bugs..

[@neverclevernorwitty7821]

Ok, lesson learned. I have a mage right now similarly leveled to MissRage, never going to use the unstuck, just going to port or hearth.

[@e.p.s.9037]

When in doubt, pull back. Warriors charging in have killed more parties than hunter multishots

[@Chayliss]

Ppl posting that on normal lul As a tank L ol atchall

[@jonathanwoodard4541]

Annie and Grubby dying is 😭😭😭😭😭

[@briantdt]

BRD is such a big step up in difficulty compared to previous dungeons. Its a no fuck-around zone.

[@aucarnage]

Charge pulls can be dangerous, not sure why they didn’t just LoS pull anyway, as you say, hindsight is always 20/20

[@cattysplat]

Charge pulls are idiotic and get groups killed more than anything else. Have some patience in a damn hardcore gamemode where death comes at a double pull.

[@cully7927]

@@cattysplat It is so unfathomably stupid I will never understand.

[@raze667]

in the BRD room always always ONLY los pull the packs. there are too many casters to do otherwise.

[@glue_harbour_hobby]

it's not hindsight, the dungeon is 20 years old...

[@vit4mint685]

learning reset spots would seem like a high priority thing to do.

[@Mati-mk5wd]

The thing is, there isnt really any goto guide or site for them, most are spread from person to person, it makea me want to do a tldr of them but im not a youtuber 😂

[@Manock90]

Or just don't play like a chimp by charging packs that social right next to another pack.

[@raze667]

As someone who paladin tanked BRD like hundred of times back in classic, I find it very refreshing to hear Guzu talk about with those two final rooms with authority. So many people don't get it. Tragic deaths really, but at least someone didn't get oneshot by an Ironfoe proc from Emp. That one always sucks.

[@Kahuno-WoW]

Damn that unstuck death, I would ragequit immediately 😢

[@rosebeforehoes9829]

That first clip... panic killed all of them basicly. They literally ran around like headless chickens instead of trying to focus targets.. no stacking, no targets, rogue doesnt blade flurry for extra aoe. warrior just runs around doing jack shit. Honestly bro, I've seen non hardcore groups handle moments like that in a cleaner manner without even being on discord together.

[@TH-dg2mm]

You have to give some credit to T1, part of why he hasn't died is because he plays so slow and methodical. He never would have charged that pack in BRD like that, they would have pulled it, LOS'd 9 rooms back and everything would have been fine.

[@Apkgames-e8i]

Party holds mobs > Grubby make portal > Portal made > All run > saved

[@Epiyon01]

I think the tank running into that pack pulled the one above. I don’t think it was Gruby

[@dubstepforever99]

Enemies were at 100%

[@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940]

@@dubstepforever99 and they started running before grubby couldve pulled them with flamestrike, before it was finished casting. you can see the tauren backpaddled into their range.

[@martinm5615]

It 100% wasn't grubby you can see he wasn't in combat after the first pack died

[@frozello14]

It's a melee bodypull most likely, but have to say it's a bit weird one since it didn't instantly aggro, but takes a while before that mob at the top even notices someone below. It's just a little bit unlucky as I wouldn't say it's very clear, if you can aggro them from below or not. Unlucky situation, but they made mistake by running through fire breath from golems and fighting mobs after that with low health.

[@rodgoesinya9947]

Why not just LOS those packs. Freaking noobs

[@ZMSTA]

Rip grubby damn. I was just wathcing his latest vid. At least dendi made it.

[@holysecret2]

4:00 It was a huge mistake to call the retreat, they lost half their health from the flamethrowers and could not run any further, they lost any advantage they may have had from being full hp had they fought them then and there. LoS pull them around the corner, gather them up, frost nova, blizzard slow, LoS the casters when you get aggro, it should be easily managable. Tough. But there was no way they could live after they ran, lost HP, healer had threat from healing and they had no room to kite or LoS anymore.

[@wortyle]

hindsight

[@cattysplat]

They literally did everything wrong. Charge pulls, idiotic panic calls and complete lack of experience. They were dead the instant they decided to roach.

[@Porkypine666]

@@cattysplat Yeah, harsh, but exactly right. If they los and fight as Guzu said they easily handle that pack.

[@TheGrinder_27]

16:00 fun fact blizzard knows about unstuck and are working to change/ remove it from hardcore

[@stephanlunden4318]

Another annoying person is on the stage... 1st Ozzy... now Pika.

[@gregsmw]

the character death to unstuck feels utterly scummy that 100% feels like blizz should undo that......thats not right at all

[@Manock90]

If only a mage had multiple ways to get unstuck instead of using a system that is known to teleport to BG instances (which happened here - wasn't even a graveyard). Atleast she saved that 20 silver.

[@aqdjbcr]

Warriors should have pulled instead of charging in. One lazy pull cost them. Annie literally did nothing after they pulled, may as well have afk’d

[@Medivh154]

hahah :D i think Grubby has to wait a little longer to see the Emperor Robe :D

[@CrazySauceEST]

the silence when she releases spirit to the graveyard is deafening

[@dschlie6669]

Grubby is a gem

[@beldinalanti1850]

The comment in chat about Guzu's Christmas tree about killed me!

[@MrTianOO]

if they all left grp when they saw its like rip they maybe could survive by getting port of the dung, annie could easly make it if she left grp from the beggning.

[@Mr.Sr.Jr.]

Annie would have been able to survive for 30 more seconds if she didn't get stuck in the doorway. Guzu clearly does not understand the game if he did not see that

[@audiogarden21]

14:52. Even though the pet didn't attack, it instantly flagged him as kos. You can see that on his health bar at the top right.

[@0rcd0c]

Why not just play it safe and always pull every pack back around a corner? This is one of the tank basics, yet you see it so rarely.

[@glue_harbour_hobby]

One would think that playing it safe and not taking unnecessary risks in hardcore mode would be uncontroversial, but here we are...

[@triploshadow]

That pull was perfectly doable los, guubby novas flamestrike into coc+arcane explo spam, warrior mass taunts and retal, if he gets low annie mass taunts and retals herself and at that point all the non-elites are dead and grubby can just rank1 blizz to help the warriors kite the elites and throw target dummies as needed.

[@cattysplat]

Biggest mistake was letting Annie make the call.

[@austinc6973]

Warrior tank going for challenging shout retal instead of shield wall rip. Really really bad warriors in this group....they need to learn how to tank and manage aggro. In the previous video they were so worried about the fire elementals when they are just not that dangerous if you handle them properly. Also know your escape paths. You can run through the area with all the non elite mobs on the ledge.

[@lucaschebance3135]

Anniefuschia could make herself useful imo... all the cloth players had threat, she could tank and done a lot of damage.

[@georges4266]

She could have also feared but instead ran around like a chicken with its head cut off lmao

[@holobiont3197]

Annies first instinct was correct. Like most things in classic if you're trying to back off you're in trouble but if you lean in and start looking at what cds and consumes you have available you're probably fine. If they burned down the pack they were on then they just had a double pull with their healer on like 80% mana. Focus ambassadors then senators and they would be fine. The alcove they are in blocks los so if the healer moved in there everything would have stacked up for cleave and aoe and easy aggro grabbing. Two onlyfangs group wipes in two days that would have been fine if they just said ok lets do this rather than trying to duck it.

[@doly32]

pretty sure that since tauren has a bigger hitbox its a bit wierd at those ledges in emperor room and taurens just pull the above mobs just by standing to close there like in sfk room used to happen a lot on my tauren warr in classic

[@Hemestal]

You can see the tauren's WW is what hit the mobs above, he probably doesn't know how janky the x axis is in this game can be, the WW doesn't go through solid walls, it travels upwards of downwards into the next surface. You can clearly see the dwarf above getting hit by a cleaving animation.

[@CRuNiX_RDC]

so the unstuck feature, since it doesnt differiniate wether you are horde or alliance and sends you to the nearest opposing factions gy or instance portal like it did with Missrage, can she ask blizz to revive her char since its clearly their fault? or is this a known thing and blizz isnt liable?

[@iamD2]

Nope bliz aint doing revives at all.

[@CRuNiX_RDC]

@@iamD2 well that is sad... they should remove that stupid feature then or atleast fix it so it doesnt do what it did here causing perma death. tnx for the answer iam

[@Dee_Stroya]

30:40 Pika gouge kiting an AH found full BiS warrior was crazy work lmfao

[@Holdeens]

The warrior was a bad player tho, he landed 1 demo, 0 hamstrings/rend/disarm. While it's commendable to win any makgoras the fact alone that the warrior couldn't figure out he was getting poked down by having a rangs fight in the open. For 5 minutes is kinda sad

[@priapus1337]

Annie is playing w controller too as a challenge.

[@leonardodakimchi]

Classic HC= pulls, escapes, and respawn are no joke.

[@Psysso]

They would have lived if they just fought behind the first corner. Used all cooldowns especially Shield Wall and AOE taunt, spam heal and spam AOE.

[@pokedadsam9041]

17:01 you flash there right?

[@pallytime2156]

When tanking even as a Paladin I have NEVER not ranged pulled those packs in Emps Room... Guess it was for good reason. Mostly I prefered ranged pulls... even body ranged pulls because of the SHOCK damage on these guys. If I got in Big D... they all blast me at once... then at once again later. But if I stager out the CD's it really helps

[@traviscue2099]

I wouldn't even risk going into brd before 60 on HC.. just far too many things that can go wrong.

[@thewowandy8654]

the unstuck feature should always be the last resort. they had a mage in the group. put a portal, click the portal. UC is nearby. why the risk. use HS. wait till hs expires. anything should be done first before using unstuck.

[@Hammerage1]

I had this exact thing happen to me once. As a mage I blizzarded when they came down the stairs and around the corner. Stacked them up neatly and proceeded to aoe them all down.

[@flamerollerx01]

I really don't understand how Grimmzhc could flag from clicking an attack command to a friendly NPC. I don't think it's supposed to work like that, but maybe it's something I've never seen? I'm fairly certain I've hit an attacking ability on a friendly NPC in a neutral town without issue. It may require a hunter pet to pull off actually. I'm not sure though.

[@Battlechoir5]

why not use Petry on the brd wipe?

[@calvinginn1637]

The Grimmz death shouldn't have happened if blizzard designed things 1% better npcs with GREEN NAMES shouldn't allow that to happen from clicking pet abilities

[@jacobbb222]

should've designed his shitty ui better

[@zxbc1]

That's kind of not the point. Gagdetzan is a neutral faction and you can change your rep against them anyway you like. Allowing you to attack them is consistent with the treatment for any neutral faction. Just because you become friendly doesn't mean you don't want to change your mind. HC was never designed to be part of this version of the game, because deaths were meant to be the way to teach you how to play the game. When you sign up to play HC in this game you already signed up for all the janks that go along with it, including this.

[@SomeHarryGuy]

I gasped at the Grubby death. So damn sad

[@neilbecker1140]

16:51 Pro tip. mages who are above lv 30 dont get stuck. heathstone or port

[@Mati-mk5wd]

In hc you should never unstuck tbh, just wait out hs, they are evrn more broken after sod

[@4akaimalko]

OF priests and inner fire are incompatible.

[@joedarling5175]

Taurens have a bigger hit box so body pulls will happen further away than other races.

[@julienbrengel4058]

I guess the tank pulls it with going one step back - Bodypull! Ugly

[@MsMari1013]

dont do a full brd run with 55 emp is lvl 59 thgis is hard to tank

[@holysecret2]

When half the group is that low, you can't afford many mistakes. Low HP, low mana, high pull range. With a group entirely 57+ or 58+ you have more room for mistakes, and the experience more beginner-friendly. And that is not to say that these guys are bad by any means, but so much of this stuff is about the knowledge. The fact that you can easily add the group on top, the fact that the flamethrower room is still active and dangerous, the fact that the gauntlet room has fully respawned, if the one making calls had known all this they would have stood and fought, and may have survived.

[@asclepeus-games]

Doing end game content like this without a player in the group that knows the tech for it, or at least looking up some info online, is not good

[@mrustbanger]

I don't get majority of these deaths coming from a group of players that will be raiding on hardcore. How can you absolutely be not prepared for a circumstance like this?

[@zergidrom4572]

will never understand whats the freakin problem to pull mobs a bit back, where everything is cleared so theres would be 0 chance to pull some random mobs.....

[@Deepstinkt]

Dude goes BRD with a warrior that uses a controller, absolute madman.

[@mvprime8]

Why do people think this is a problem, when the warrior that got them all killed was using kbm.

[@Max-9871]

Thats not even a problem in classic. With pre raid gear and while not tanking you are pressing like 1 button every 2-3 seconds due to rage limitations. You could play classic warrior at a top level with a dance pads, a guitar or one of these bongo drum controller

[@aqdjbcr]

@@Max-9871not optimally. Gotta tab target and taunt at perfect times.

[@Max-9871]

@@aqdjbcr "perfect times" thats a good joke for classic. the only point where you need taunts that are kinda on point is 4 horseman and even there it doesnt wipe your raid if you taunt like 3-4 seconds too late. classic is made to click all spells with your mouse and timings are loose enough to coordiate everything in the text chat so a controller is a completly fine input method for classic wow

[@zxbc1]

@@Max-9871 Na, good taunts in groups at this point are crucial because threat is very sketchy. Taunting late could result in having to run over to aggro with actual hit, and sometimes not even being able to do that, and/or losing threat on the closer targets. But Annie is playing a dps role here and with controller it's completely fine. There's no way you can play a tank with a controller, it's so incredibly insufficient.

[@anthonyg6083]

pika dueling was wild

[@thesoffen48]

Everyone knows you LOS pull in the throne room.

[@cascade1788]

Are those Pikaboo Makgoras from a different server? I read and checked, you cant get the trinket in phase 1 until honor ranks are released, so im a little confused. (edit: unless theyre available only on HC? I'm playing SC pvp server after all.)

[@qlida4465]

The missrage clip is one of the reasons i do not spend money on Blizzard. They do not care about our time AT ALL. Hardcore has been out for years at this point and obvious bugs still exist without being fixed.. I just enjoy keeping warm from the fire that is Blizzard these days.

[@jaiberrington6503]

The play was to stick it and fight, running back through fire room was bad. They have 1 aoe taunt/shield wall, and 3 fears they didnt use, they also used swiftness pots instead of heath/mana/LIP. That was liveable but they paniced. hindsight though.... Edit: Who converted to raid?

[@ioanniskapios1099]

real huntard moment

[@wolfietheghoul]

Omg Dendi from dota, that goblin still alive? :D

[@Dronesh_Tythun]

Every time savix dies or is close he's joking around with party members.😂 Wow pika using faps, dust and full buffs. Who would thought he would of won.

[@davidthomas5562]

And so this is Christmas ...

[@zerti86]

the most important thing is that Dendi survived

[@catalyst336]

you have to pre fap - guzu 2024

[@dawidjasiak9646]

,,If a rogue or anyone FAPS on you and youre a mage the only way you really win those...'' I dont see how you can win after that... someone in the chat said ,,or you can just swallow it'' xD

[@karagravis]

That's how everyone is going to die in HC

[@Thinkbigsti84]

that was a body pull , your tauren bigger hitbox theory is probbaly it indeed

[@Randoverse]

Should of made a pre portal just in case because that room is just as bad as the one before.

[@cully7927]

Me Tauren, me chargey into pack and boom boom, me really big brain me promise

[@Staysa001]

I don’t understand why these guys do these dungeons at this level. Grind out 60 then grind out your gear. Short cutting to get exp while you prebis just cost them hundreds of hours. Also if they’re roaching, why are they staying grouped? At least if you drop group you have the option of being ported after 1 minute. Kite it out.

[@라마현명한]

Because they wanna do them? Reminder buddy, those players have not hit 60 in a month of released server, let alone some of them being new or fairly average at wow. Jeez man I'm a sweat but I don't go around telling people to not do what they want to do.

[@joe8133]

Bc content creators want content?

[@kel1770]

Hundreds of hours? Afraid of risk? Sounds like you spend your time grinding green mobs. Explains why you dont understand the benefit of staying in group while making distance to give time to think and regen mana. Its always mediocre players talking shit to new players on hardcore clip compilations.

[@MrCelzeron]

nooo,, not Annie and Grubby :( there was no shot for Annie to get away Grubby was not to blame

[@CRuNiX_RDC]

That was definitely the tauren's fault.. why charge there so close to the group upstairs.. shoulda pulled them outta there first.. poor grubby blaming himself and soz to the rest of the peeps in the group that this wipe happened to them so close to 60 and on xmas day 😥😥😥

[@holysecret2]

He may not have been the one pulling but the other warrior to the far right of the fight, but he is certainly responsible for charging in and not pulling them back. Anything bad resulting from a bad pull is the responsibility both of the person making the mistake in question, but also the tank for creating that risky environment in the first place.

[@CRuNiX_RDC]

@@holysecret2 It's just so sad this happened.. I've been watching Grubby's progress and all of his group dungeon runs they have always been prepared and have always explained how each trash packs, bosses works, if there are safe spots and what they should do when or if shit happens. Atleast this wasnt a full wipe and Dendi lived. Annie could have lived too if she didnt cancel her HS??

[@frozello14]

Isn't that the best part of the this whole Hardcore thing? New'ish people (for Classic) not knowing things so things like that might happen and unlucky situations happens. To be fair they might have wiped themselves by running through that fire and realizing after that they have to fight after all.

[@TheRealJonster]

The "unstuck" death is utter and complete bullshit. I'd quit the game forever because of this. Shit, shit, SHIT programmning

[@itouchbuttons]

Mage didn’t use teleport instead made a ticket

[@Macncheesee]

funny how none of them went to the ledge for a reset spot. get boosted, get zooted kids

[@broodster6697]

that room, my softcore grp wiped like 4 times before clearing it lol, i would not make it through it

[@АндраникОганесян-ц7у]

Whoa i didnt know Dendi is playing classic. He is btw probably is the most well known Dota player of all time.

[@jayrogers5139]

Half of the deaths i see can be prevented with a cornerpull :)

[@hawfmaverick1609]

i thought it was a rule of only 1 pot per person in a mok gora

[@stephanlunden4318]

If I ever make it to BRD I will have a mage place a portal in this room...

[@joshring9710]

Once again noobzu knows nothing about the only game he plays. The emp room non elites dont hit hard because they are casters, they hit hard because of amplified magic curse they apply.

[@CarloRossiey]

25:22 change to a dagger and backstab you win there 100%

[@alh-xj6gt]

fighting mobs out in a long hallway is the wrong place to do that. especially with caster mobs involved. Not clearly communicated that if a command is uttered group fully sticks to it. Because from that point forward every decision of CD and utility is done to either stick it out or run. indecision is what killed them. commit to "run" and everyone and their utility can cc and help each other to get out. yes of course it sucks that the run now takes much longer and maybe it isn't that great for viewership but starting back from some starter zone will be even worse for viewership.

[@dflowers6771]

santa IS real!

[@quineloe]

low level agro maybe? 55 is pretty low to do emp.

[@nistic5723]

Maybe if Pika waits 8 hours the warrior will fall asleep and he can pound him! what a joke

[@sh43n]

I woulda stayed and just set up the pull there, aoe as mobs come back into the corner and not run and take damage from fire and blow mana from healing it

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

So many dungeon deaths could be avoided if they just pull BACK and NOT charge in.

[@Chayliss]

Them verticle pulls

[@adiuvia]

19:00 so bad priest gameplay XD

[@davidthomas5562]

This group is too good to be kept down for long at all. They suck it up and do it all together they will be back quick

[@sandramaa156]

Dendi looking like Howard from The Big Bang Theory😂

[@chrishall9388]

where are the petris???

[@stephenkamenar]

doesn't onlyfangs have petris? why not use it? is it frowned upon?

[@joe8133]

They don’t

[@holysecret2]

They may not have the recipe yet, but it is also frowned upon. Last time around they had them in abundance and basically nobody died in dungeons as a result, defeating the point of hardcore in many viewer's eyes by taking out the risk factor.

[@Faultytotems]

2:36 Ya fight be over mon 😢 there I am in all my glory 😊