Has Tales of Symphonia Remastered Been Fixed?

[@zgeiselh6797]

We need more videos of returning to games after patches

[@jeffrey5976]

Switchup is great for this

[@cliffturbo2146]

Suck as Cyberpunk and Sonic Colors Ultimate.

[@TheDreadedZero]

Switch up literally has a segment called Patch Up

[@myggmastaren3365]

@@cliffturbo2146 they still haven't fixed some of the bugs in Sonic Colours Ultimate

[@glungusgongus]

Cyberpunk is still fucked

[@JaredClaunch]

Such a good game and great characters, it really deserves better

[@NoonDragoon]

I’m glad the port is getting fixed albeit slowly, as I’d like to pick it up on Switch eventually. I’ve already played the game multiple times on GameCube so now I’m just interested in having it portably.

[@caldera1134]

Honestly, I feel like this is one of those cases where the game really could've used a complete remake in a more modern engine.

[@fictionfan3699]

Maybe one day. Far as I know I think it would be a series first. Could even do some foreshadowing to Dawn of the New World and Phantasia if they wanted to.

[@TwilightWolf032]

And hopefully use the combat system of Tales of Graces.

[@krtos7514]

​@@TwilightWolf032 I respectfully disagree, as much as I enjoyed the Accel Mode and the tons of Mystic Artes in ToG, I think the ToA, ToV and ToX battle system are better choices for a ToS remake. In any case lets hope they give us the remake ToS deserve.

[@TwilightWolf032]

@@krtos7514 I haven't played ToA yet, but out of ToS, ToX, ToV, ToB and ToZ, ToG still has the best battle and titles system in the entire franchise. It is possible to find a middle ground between the two, like keeping the chain combo of Graces with TP from Symphonia, for example, which I believe would be the best solution.

[@kevinkite3418]

I think ToX battle system is the natural evolution of ToS, TotA and ToV battle system.

[@coolsebastian]

This was a great video. It's cool to see each bug and before and after the fix. I bet the developers who fixed these bugs are really happy that someone noticed their work. Thanks for giving it the spotlight!

[@CHCrucival]

19:14 The reason for this particular instance that you can't get closer to Triet is because the skit that comes after you get off is actually mandatory. For some reason the game was probably coded for the skit to activate only when you're on foot (I guess they didn't expect you to find the guidepost monument yet lol) but you can't move past that point until you finish the skit

[@BigaloMax]

The Cyclone Bug where it cast healing wind instead is still there sadly

[@Ativetah]

WTF ARE THESE BUGS I'M DYING XDDDD

[@nathangillmore5064]

What in the world!? Crazy that’s still in after this patch, or even how it made it through QA at all.

[@symphomaniac]

That's a hilarious bug

[@nova939]

Next patch: fixed an issue where the title music stopped playing after 2 iterations

[@AdeptArcanist]

“You can see that part where Lloyd is fading into two Lloyds…” Lloyd: “Farewell my shadow, you who stand at the end of the path I chose not to follow.”

[@matthewmincey8822]

Dang you guys are knocking it out of the park with the uploads this week.

[@FranticDan]

Ever since I beat this game back in 2004, I've wished for a sequel with the four seraphim as the main characters

[@jesserivera2043]

I'm glad you posted this video with the patches, because I'm now considering getting it for switch

[@StevenUlyssesPerhero]

9:03 In all honesty, the obviously missing dialogue here is a dealbreaker for me. Why wouldn't the remaster devs restore it, and what justification for leaving it out could exist that would make it possible to still trust them?

[@VagrantValmar]

It's not a justification but the reason is that it's based on the PS2 version (same as ps3 and pc) and the PS2 had less text boxes in that scene and I believe another one as well, due to Japanese taking up less space. Apparently, restoring that would take a good amount of work due to them VERY LIKELY not having the source code of the game

[@cuerdencats4151]

I'm super happy to hear about it's current state, I was waiting until these patches to get my wife to play it. It may not be perfect, but it's a lot more palatable.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

30fps aside I’m still pissed they haven’t fixed most of the missing graphical effects or lowered world map. World map is infuriating in every version that isn’t the GameCube since it’s glued to the floor so many times.

[@randomplayer211]

8:00 About the lose voiced dialogue, I'm gonna take a huge shot in the dark with this. All the remasters of Symphonia is based off the Japanese PS2 version so I'm guessing that the script was updated from the Gamecube japanese script which is why Remiel has less text box. And if Vesperia Remastered is to go by, then Bandai Namco reused the audio from the Gamecube english which is why it sounds off.

[@CenturyBlade]

All of the text boxes in the game are instanced (and sized) based on the PS2 version's Japanese text, but the script files were partially copy/pasted over from the GCN English version. In several instances the GCN English script is either longer than what it was in Japanese, or there are pauses in place. The team that localized the GCN English version 20 years ago were given the liberty to add extra text boxes to make up for this, but obviously since this game is not based off of that one, those extra text boxes are no longer there. Definitely one of the most egregious of them is Remiel's speech in the Temple of Martel that GVG showed. There was a whole extra text box in the GCN version, with accompanying audio, in which Remiel tells Colette to "Visit the Seal of Fire to the South, and offer her prayers in that distant land.". That text box didn't exist in the PS2 version, so when the GCN English data was pasted in, that text and audio was all truncated because there was no text box for it to be attached to. It's also possible that the text wasn't even pasted in, it was manually copied. The evidence of this is that in a small handful of places there is leftover scripting code. A particular one I recall is there's a line during the third visit to the Tower of Salvation, after Zelos's heel turn, where Presea asks if a teleportation platform is still operational, and there's a "/f" at the end of a line.

[@chaosspork]

It's unfortunate that there are still so many bugs still here. Hopefully they continue doing fixes. Until then, at least we still have the original.

[@sollato0293]

And we still have the remasters of Vesperia on the same consoles, that’s a remaster done right.

[@asra-5180]

I'm from the future. Guess what, it didn't lol.

[@chaosspork]

@@asra-5180 Yeah, it never did get fixed, huh? It sucks, because I love Symphonia, and want to support the developers, but I refuse to pay for a worse version of a game I already own.

[@morksisnthererightnow8738]

I’m gonna be real Dan I honestly don’t think these patches would have been released whatsoever had you not made your original video to spread word so even if the game is not totally fixed still I’m glad you were able to get us a slightly better product in the end.

[@lenleon3699]

They would have… they always do one big patch eventually. Would they have waited more to release them, perhaps.

[@InfinityZeroEX]

It’s at least a functional game now.

[@faidou9954]

"They just don't like money" Oh believe me, Bamco like money according to all the anime licensed games they make, they just don't like losing money or wasting it on games that don't sell to a mainstream audience or making games with very niche fanbases. That being said, The Baten Kaitos remasters better sell like hotcakes or JRPG fans can say goodbye to a Xenosaga remaster ever happening, let alone a remake.

[@kevinkite3418]

Thank you for creating this video. Symphonia on GC was my favorite game and just like you, I also loved Abyss and Vesperia for how much it reminded me of Symphonia. I played the entire Tales of Series and those three are my favorite of all time. I really wanted Symphonia on Switch but I was sad by the glitches and problems of this version. I am so happy that so much is fixed now! It's not perfect, but I think it's almost on par with the other releases of the Remaster. Thank you so much for showing us this!!!

[@kevinkite3418]

@@JuIianRock Yeah! Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperia were all developed by the same team inside Namco Tales Studios. At that time, there used to be multiples teams working on Tales of games. That's also why Tales of Destiny and Tales of Graces have similar mechanics and artstyle, while Tales of Legendia, which was made by yet another team, is so different from all other games in the series.

[@Luffy2008]

I apreciate videos like this, symphonia is a game that I definitly want to check out at some point but gamecube or emulation is not really an option for me...

[@calvinmatthews1527]

It frustrates me to no end. Bamco has shown that they're a competent gaming company and they've made some of my favorite games. Symphonia is one of the most important games in a long-standing IP that they own. Surely, they can do better than this.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Sadly, this is what I expect from Bamco.

[@gorogg_]

The missing dialogue is still such a huge bummer, and probably a deal breaker to even bother playing this version (though I did buy it, regrettably) . I understand that it's based on the PS2 versions, but good lord.

[@guguig9746]

I'm still holding on to my GC version, but good to see it improved!

[@TheAustinDelgado]

Been playing for a few months and it’s been playing perfectly fine to me. Never dealt with any bugs tho I have had 2 crashes . I save often now lol

[@kiomori]

I'm glad to see some improvements in this rerelease. I haven't finished the switch version and definitely noticed a lot of issues, so I guess I can go back to it soon! ToS is still one of my favorite games. Symphonia was my first Tales game, and it and Abyss are my favorites in the series.

[@paperluigi6132]

I remember how earlier this year Chrono Cross got a patch that fixed pretty much everything that was wrong at launch.

[@Morgil27]

Really, so the patch fixed the overly-convoluted story, shitty battle system, and gave actual character development for the 50-some-ott characters?

[@sylphroid]

well geez tell us how you really feel about it XD@@Morgil27

[@GrandAngel8000]

​@Morgil27 I do not agree with your opinion.

[@heyjeySigma]

@@Morgil27 what a shit take you have. Chrono cross's story being convoluted is a YOU problem.. and battle system is fine as it is, and expecting 50 characters to have deeper personalities is just absurd.

[@asra-5180]

​@@GrandAngel8000i mean, giving characters development IS important.

[@MimouFirst]

Wow they actually fixed some of my biggest gripes. I might get it...

[@Chelaxim]

3:00 " Can you tell us why Bamco releases Tales games at a glacial pace?" Tales of Eternia 2000 Tales of Destiny 2 2002 Tales of Symphonia 2003 Tales of Rebirth 2004 Tales of Legendia 2005 Tales of the Abyss 2005 Tales of the Destiny R 2006 Tales of Innocence 2007 Tales of Vesperia 2008 Tales of Hearts 2008 Tales of Graces 2009 Tales of Xillia 2011 Tales of Xillia 2 2012 Tales of Innocence R 2012 Tales of Hearts R 2014 Tales of Zesteria 2015 Tales of Berseria 2016 Shin Megami Tensei, Final Fantasy, Persona, Dragon Quest,Star Ocean and Kingdom Hearts fans wish they could have games come out at that glacial speed. Other than Atelier no other JRPG fanbase is eating as well as the Tales fanbase.

[@EarthboundBenjy]

Falcom's Ys and Trails series are doing pretty well for themselves though,

[@bigcade554]

They might have meant on Switch. It's a little strange how there's only Symphonia and Vesperia.

[@thirdsupernova]

You forgot Tales of Arise 2021

[@WateringDNami]

We do eat good...in-game too hehe

[@halkon4412]

I'm waiting for the "Fixed the issue where the 2023 game runs at half the framerate of the 2003 game" patch note.

[@nweditor875]

So glad to hear Symphoina is getting reworked on.

[@skyheart4026]

In the part with Triet where you can't enter on Noishe, this was in the original as well. It's literally stopping you because you HAVE to do the mandatory skit "Know your enemy" This is not a bug, this is not a glitch, this is just the game making you do the skit before you can enter Triet again. If you get on Noishe again, you'll be able to approach Triet after the skit

[@face_nemesis]

i have the gamecube version and no reason to ever get a remaster for it honestly. but its frustrating that games can even get released like this and then patched later. if not for patches and internet, so many games would just have to release later with the bugs fixed.

[@dannysimion]

Thanks for covering this. I was looking forward to this game but when I heard how crappy it was I didnt wanna bother. Now that there are two patches so far, I don't mind these little issues as long as the big ones are fixed. I actually wanna get it now. I still need to play Vesperia to the end and then I'll play symphonia.

[@joerexhausen8897]

Had no idea about the recent patch so this is nice for it being fixed slightly more. Still have my GCN copy of the game but i still wanted this on Switch even w/ the issues though i encountered very little. Not a big thing but not having Noishe available just in the first area of the game was annoying to me. Really want Abyss to be next on porting to current gen systems.

[@CenturyBlade]

The funny thing is, Abyss's most recent port is only 1 gen behind us, and yet it's over 10 years old.

[@looney1023]

I saw a streamer encounter a weird glitch where every time they saved, they would lose HP. Is that a common issue and has that been fixed?

[@kingfirestorm4047]

This game was my childhood,my friend let me have the game for 2 months and dame I play 300 hours in two months,this game deserves better and more fixing updates.

[@Litlrox]

9:19 We are still missing dialogue here after the latest patch.

[@datalphalion]

Daniel’s Tales of Symphonia crusade is best anime of 2023.

[@CaptainFalcon333]

You prevented me from selling it back to GameStop. Thank you for the thorough gameplay showcase. I hadn't kept up with the patch schedule, apprently they made two, good. I played this game for over 15 playthroughs, I only breathed this game for months as a 12 year old kid would.

[@paperluigi6132]

9:04 Is it really that hard to combine both of those lines into one textbox?

[@AlphaOblivion7]

You could do a video like this on Sonic Origins as well. The newest update fixed most everything

[@Benjamillion]

Still haven't fixed the cel shading. Guess I'm sticking to Gamecube, lol

[@anthonycarter1528]

I'm glad we have the new "long mode" to allay our concerns. Thx for the re-visit. I'll stick with my GCN copy until that breaks, I guess 😂

[@coatgoat5462]

This is an incredible way of going over the notes. Thank you! (Gamecube still best ♥) I keep hoping for a Tales of Arise-styled ToS remake one day. One day™

[@ciregoku]

to this versions credit EVERY version of Symphonia after Gamecube lost that dialogue scene with Remial I'm guessing the original audio file got corrupted or something but don't blame Remastered for that it was always an issue

[@eyeball226]

It looks like the logo on the title screen is stretched out. Did they seriously mess up the aspect ratio on a remaster?

[@GameingvideosJCD]

Yes it’s been a hot mess!

[@mattburkey8393]

This is good news. My copy of Tales is untouched since I haven't been able to put down totk.

[@josephgroeschel7461]

Went to google was tales of symphonia fixed and i came across this video 10/10 instant subbed you're very entertaining especially long mode tid bit

[@777JamesC]

Patch update videos are really great to see. Cause now I may actually get this game instead of emulation.

[@omensoffate]

It’s still 30 fps

[@777JamesC]

@@omensoffate doesn't bother me

[@777JamesC]

@@The_Princess_of_Kabukicho if the dialog has subtitles I'll likely not notice since it's my first time through. Still very silly if they just didn't put in the voices. How bad is the hp glitch?? Cause that's that's turn off if saving just like slowly chips health away killing me slowly

[@777JamesC]

@@The_Princess_of_Kabukicho thank you

[@nezkeys79]

I recently played the pc port of this game and noticed there was weird stutter when colliding with walls. Now today I saw a broadcast on psn (not sure what the date was) but that weird stutter was still there. I don't think it was frame rate just a weird collision issue? Is this still in the remastered version? I don't remember this in the gamecube version. This might sound like something pedantic to complain about but it's really not because I just annoys you every 5 seconds

[@bettynomsonbuns2672]

If only namco could put these fixes on the actual cartridge in future reprints 😔

[@Jormunguandr]

Did they patch out looping menu music? 😅

[@PulseFGC]

Still waiting for 60fps fix before I buy it, which sucks cause I loved this game growing up

[@Totohaha2012]

So fucking dumb how a 19 year old game’s original release had less bugs and problems than its “remastered” version. How hard is it just to port the original and up res the resolution, jfc.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

Unfortunately, keeping source code after development wasn’t a common practice till the PS3/360 era especially with Japanese devs. Bluepoint was the best company at handling remasters from that era. They grabbed retail PS2 discs and reverse engineered for flawless remasters. Probably much more expensive tho

[@Joe_334]

It was like seeing an old friend get slugged in the face by a complete stranger, upon your reuniting with them. The switch still lives in a crazy neighborhood, being the framerate...

[@nordicgaming2572]

Fourth time this game has been released and the Gamecube version is still the best one. Just incredible

[@sanic007]

Personally the damage has already been done. Also fixing these bugs shouldn't have taken this long.

[@eksmad]

11:20 it is illegal in germany to kill wasps. :D

[@joeyxl3456]

Very good video bro. Gave me the stuff I wanted to know. Thank you.

[@josethomas858]

Is it better on the Xbox or Nintendo Switch??

[@connorplays6263]

Lloyd's voice sounds like Robin from Teen Titans (Edit: OH MY GOD IT'S THE SAME ACTOR!!!)

[@RollingBoneWheel]

Yeah I was thinking about grabbing this while it's on sale for the moment, I have the Symphonia collection on PS3 still and I played a good bit of it years ago but never finished the first. I was thinking about grabbing the remaster and restarting it, especially since I've heard a lot of bad things about the sequel. This overview has certainly helped me decide.

[@OvidusNaso]

It's only 08:23 in the video, but as a French teacher I must inform you that if you type something into google translate you can have a pretty good approximation read out to you! E.g. "Cherchez l'idole"!

[@riyuphoenix4533]

Symphonia deserved a better remaster than this, i still argue the ps3 version is better and you get the sequel. (I know its hated but its still ok game).

[@TerenceTanyi]

Did they fix the issue where its 30fps instead of the normal 60?

[@bananabike279]

Small W for Bamco for actually caring about a port after it's release

[@blakefenslerjr4858]

Big L for them for not coming out with this when they ported it!

[@asra-5180]

Mega Big L for not doing more fixes even after 3 months lmao.

[@gdantemx87]

Now the bug is in hima when You have to talk to pietro and Sophia this npc stuck in the Windows

[@StealthNinja4577]

Long range mode is now available in Triet desert was the original dialogue...

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

Yo, I didnt know there were updates. I'm currently replaying at a place with dodgy wifi so I turn my switch's wifi off here. Just turned it on and updated it

[@RazorBladezX]

Ab thanks for the vid . I thought it was weird seeing ToS getting an update and I forgot to check what was patched

[@j0nnyism]

Have they cut some of remiels dialogue?

[@Makoto03]

Great video. I saw Symphonia on sale on ps4, so might get that. But awesome to see the Switch version improving. I wish Namco would give us a port of Tales of Abyss.

[@Vereid]

Im almost done with my platinum trophy for the PS4/5 version and while that version doesn’t have nearly as many issues as the Switch one, Symphonia really deserved better. When I go back and look at my playthrough of GC Symphonia I’m amazed how smooth the game looks, the battles in particular look so much better (which is absurd). Im terrified that if Namco decide to port (remaster) Tales of the Abyss, they will do something similar and base it off from the stupid 3DS version which also was capped at 30fps (similar to how Symphonia PS2 was). However, unlike Symphonia, Abyss 3DS didn’t get any extra content so….maybe there is a chance. Either way it says a lot when I actually don’t feel that we can trust the developers of games like this because they seemingly rush things out. Interesting to see how the Switch version has been kinda fixed though. That transition into battles is still way too bright. I’ve literally only had 1 crash on PS4 (game randomly froze in Ymir Forest when I moved from one screen to another, never happened again) and I’m on my 5th run through the game.

[@ArcadeTheatre]

This is a certified Bamco moment

[@Elvisbackpack]

Hopefully they fix the dropped dialogue caused by eliminating some text boxes.

[@lionablaze8747]

this game desperately needs a remake by a competent developer.

[@khfreak5531]

I’ve been playing it on my Steam Deck. A lot of the issues on PC have been fixed. But it took them awhile to fix that port as well.

[@xinyyc]

I get the impression that Hideo Baba resents that Nintendo helped make Tales of Symphonia the most well-liked game in the series, and is begrudgingly fixing this game at the slowest pace he can that'd avoid also damaging the reputations of everyone else at bamco. He put out a statement that he wants the Tales series to only be successful in Japan, and only on playstation (or something to that effect), and I don't believe he's changed his mind about that.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Dude has left the company.

[@xinyyc]

@@ChiefMedicPururu That's great news! I wouldn't be surprised if there are people like him sticking around though, especially if they can't (or won't) get the Switch version of Tales of Symphonia to meet or beat the Gamecube original.

[@RawPower867]

Hideo Baba doesn't even work at Namco anymore

[@illustr80r]

I wish they would restore the missing content from the first meeting with Remiel in the beginning of the game and get it to run at 60fps. Sad that they lost some data when porting to the PS2

[@GamingG4276]

At this point, you might as well just track down the Gamecube or PS3 versions and play those instead. I bet even those retro handhelds that can emulate Gamecube games run it better.

[@wolfpriesty13]

Are these patches for all versions?

[@tugaygunes4816]

how is it rn?

[@nietniet435]

Appreciate this video. Wanted to buy the game but it looks I wait a little longer. Wake me up in another 6 months please 😅

[@joshemane]

I'm playing through Tales of Berseria right now on my PS5 while playing through this on the Switch when I’m on the go. It’s just incredible to me the difference between the 2, in Berseria’s favor. They’re both great games of course, but I’m currently 46 hours into Berseria - can’t think of 1 glitch I’ve ran into. The games it’s flaws of course, but it’s technically very sound. I’m about an hour into this, the game has already crashed, 30 fps, camera issues as was shown in the video, weird pauses and load times. Again, both are great games, but man…this still deserves better. I’m actively hunting for a way to play the original since I don’t have a GameCube anymore. That’s how poor it is. That shouldn’t happen with a “remaster”.

[@TapeManX2]

+7:20 about 20 mins of gameplay after this mine crashed. Guess its not fixed fully yet lol, at least on the switch.

[@cyanokhaar]

This game deserves a full remake. Imagine Symphonia but it plays and looks like Xillia or Arise. Hell I’d even take it running and looking like Vesperia. This….this just is not the way. The legacy of this game deserves better. 😢

[@tediz8280]

Ill get it for the xbox soon. its now on sale. thanks for this video cause i wanted to see if the updates have been doing something to improve the game.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen320]

Noticed one of the characters has the same voice actor as Robin from the Teen Titans cartoon

[@pennyandrews3292]

The Long mode mistranslation is particularly funny if you're a programmer, because it suggests that it unlocked the ability for the game to run in 64-bit mode on an x86_64 CPU. And the Switch has an ARM-based processor, so that doesn't even make sense.

[@YadamanTV1]

No 60 FPS in either of those patches?! So sad, makes me wanna vomit that these companies put out old games in a worse state after all these years

[@makohm8529]

Is steam version better than ps5 version right now ? I dont know where to buy it to have the best experience between pc , switch and ps5. I dont have gamecube

[@Danielruni]

L O N G M O D E E N G A G E D ! ! !

[@adalEun]

3:30 .... Brother... You DO know the opacity setting for the menu is in the SETTINGS.... RIGHT???😅😅

[@ArceusDX]

So they still need to restore lost cutscene dialogue huh

[@JIreland1992]

Wasn’t that in the GameCube original? They didn’t dub some cutscenes.

[@thesuperjag]

@@JIreland1992 nope! All dialogue existed on the original GameCube version… the missing dialogue existed way back on the Japanese PlayStation 2 that had more content.

[@InfinityZeroEX]

I would love for Symphonia to get a full remake with character models like Arise or better. Now I know it’ll never happen, but it’d be cool if it did.

[@ShirakoriMio]

Would NOT fit the game's art direction. Something like wind waker HD or even chibi-honkai world fit the game way better.

[@InfinityZeroEX]

@@ShirakoriMio that’s a great opinion, but not a fact. It could still be high quality models and fit the mood of the game.

[@kaspertovik2310]

These updates came a little too late. Noticed something was off right away. Couldn't handle it anymore when I got to the Fire Seal. Returned the Switch version the day after I got it. Played it on both GC and the PS3. Was such a let down having it feel like a downgrade rather than a Remaster. As Symphonia is my favourite Tales of game, I got it for and finished it on the PS5 instead. The colours on the Switch version still looks really faded. But it's good news that they're still working on it. Might consider getting Baten Kaitos then. I've already spent too much money on Symphonia, but I'd honestly welcome a modern remake like VII is getting. Wouldn't even mind (story)changes either. Enjoyed your video.

[@SkippytWalrus]

The last tales game I played and was really worth the hype was xillia 1. I just loved the idea of your party members teaming up in battle like that. But my favorite has to be vesperia. I love the stories of ToG, ToS, ToA, but vesperia just feels good to play, like a proper sequel to Abyss and Symphonia, even if i like the narrative of a couple others better, Yuri carries.

[@Belesprit656]

Patches really can fix so much, it's too bad the release state was so bad.

[@BigNewman]

I played the PS4 version on my PS5. Pretty smooth overall, just had times NPCs would be stuck in t-pose position.