GVM - WE GET BAD NEWS.

We weigh our GVM before we fit out our canopy, and come a lot closer to our maximum GVM rating than we were expecting, not leaving us a lot of weight to finish our build.
But Jason from weigh safe gives us some great advice to help with planning our build.
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[@paulholubecki6386]

Having watched this again i reckon you are up to the challenge of ultra light packing and canopy deck out. Will watch with great interest as i reckon you can turn this into a positive 👍

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Hopefully mate, the roof rack and canopy latches are getting built atm, so roof top tent and awning should be on soon, and i can finally start.😊

[@phillipramplin1203]

Great info its definitely the elephant in the room also loving those Butcher birds

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah definitely is, i see a lot of fit out video's done with everything timber, must be very heavy... we get a lot of birds where we live, we recently moved to Hervey Bay, we love it here.

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

I don’t have kids so I’ve been able to pull out my rear seat and put my fridge, battery and charging station there. This allows me to put my spare hard up against the front of my canopy. Another way to save weight is to put parabolic leaf springs in and you get the benefit of better handling also.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Great idea, balancing the weight out is so important. And having the fridge in the cab would be handy. I will look into the parabolic springs, thanks mate.😊

[@karlshazrado]

Ive seen heaps of canopies with the drawer system weighing more than the contents. Look for plastic shelving and baskets. I use a wardrobe shelving system from Bunnings for my tools and spares. strengthen the weak points with twitching wire.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah i have seen some very heavy fit outs, we are going to have to be very concious with the weights of everything we put in it. Thanks for the tips, i will check them out.

[@philwindridge4495]

Very nicely presented video mate, no. 126, keep it up!

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Thank you mate, and thanks so much for watching and subscribing to be a part of our channel 💯 😊 its been a lot to learn, and still have so much more to learn... but i am really enjoying the journey. If only my pesky job would stop interfering with the things i love to do.... lol Hope to hear from you on the next video 👍

[@frankguernier2280]

A real eye opener. Such a problem for dual cab owners. The rear axle I s way too close to the back of the cab. Even the weight guy's comment on the poor load reserve of the Landcruuser. 640kg. I got the feeling that this build is not going to work unless huge dollars are spent on weight upgrades. Good luck.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Your right about the design, there is plenty of room for the rear diff to move back. I am looking at gvm upgrade options atm, I believe i can go to 3150 which will give me a bit more breathing space

[@cyclemoto8744]

Love the simplified formula to determine axle load weight for loads outside of the wheelbase. Thanks for the content. Cheers

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Thanks mate, im really glad you got something from our video

[@AnnaDuric-kl2vv]

Would be very interesting to see how your final set-up will look like 👍

[@lockedhubs4x4]

The Colorado is finally back from the fabricators and the last of the gear to fit it out arrived today, so hopefully will get a video out over the holidays 😊

[@dare2adventureaus]

Bloody awesome channel dude learn more in your few videos and I have watching some of the bigger channels well done dude hope you channel grows

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Thanks mate, im really glad you got something from our channel, we are only new, but hoping to improve with every video😊

[@kenlillia]

Hi mate I just watched your vid when you first purchased the Ute. Have you still got the canopy? If so I would be interested. Draws ect as well. On the GVM did you get an upgrade at all. If so from whom. I also have a RC colorado. I’m a little Older than you (70) and I like it’s rude and performance. Cheers.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Hi mate, sold tub, canopy, draws... havent gotten the GVM upgrade yet, waiting to see how heavy my fit out comes to, to see if i need to upgrade vehicles or not.. i hope not though i love the RC for its simplicity aswell. Can get a 10% gvm upgrade max on these older vehicles. Fingers crossed its enough. It is currently in the shop getting the roof rack and canopy latches made up. Project got a bit delayed, i done a week trip up to 5 Rocks

[@kenlillia]

Mine is a manual and drives like a dream. 10% gvm sounds good. Do they also give a 10% GCM? I have not had a tune yet. These engines are good but an extra 80-100 NM would be nice. Thanks for the reply.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

@@kenlillia cant upgrade CGM unfortunately... my tune has around 100nm extra, very happy with its performance and fuel econemy

[@kenlillia]

Thanks for the information. Will watch keenly your travel with colorado.

[@iandibley8032]

A great informative vid ,the guy weighting is 100% correct the axle placement on all utes in this class is too far forward. Load the canopy up hook on van = a bent chassis, we saw 2 utes with bent chassis on a recent trip W.A. Kimberlies and N.T. There is talk in QLD allowing a GCM up grade ,more pain to come I think if the weights aren't keep in check in the canopy and towball weight. Safe travels

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah, its a poor design, we are getting strengthening plates put on the chassis, seen a couple of bent ones aswell, it is going to be a challenge for us, but we can get a gvm upgrade which will help us out. I think a lot of vehicles are on or over there safe limits now, I hope they choose the vehicles able to upgrade gcm wisely.

[@iandibley8032]

@lockedhubs4x4 Hoping the chassis strengthing does the trick for you, most of the damaged utes I have seen have had airbags fitted with high pressures. I sold my Hilux because of the chassis concerns and purchased an LC200. No worries with 265kg TBW and a 2,460 atm offroad van in tow seems to work well for us. Safe travels. 👍

[@LostDunny2023]

I had this problem with the same platform ('09 DMax). After a lot of time spent researching, and shifting what weight I could around the car, I managed to solve the issue. I sold it and bought a new car. The gen 1 Dmax (and Collie) just can't carry weight. There's no GVM upgrade kits for them. It is doable... if you're prepared to spend what the car is worth* getting it engineered yourself. Expect to pay for new suspension components, heavier rear diff/axle, new wheels/tyres, brake upgrade and potentially chassis bracing. I was also warned that the already average ride quality will be even worse. It is an expensive process and I couldn't get a solid answer on what the final GVM figure would be. (I'm remote though, so limited in engineering options... you may have better luck down your way) I could not justify paying an engineer to start the process without knowing where we would get to. If you choose to stick with the old girl, I wish you luck. I will be following with interest. But unless the car has some sentimental value I honestly can't imagine it being worth the cost. The money you will likely spend (especially if you're planning to SAS it) would get you in a newer platform that will take a GVM upgrade... and be a far better car all round. *Hyperbole...maybe... but a small fortune none the less.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

I really love the old Collie, i prefer my 4wds to be simple, which is why my last 3 have been GQ's... im personally not too fussed on all the modern bells and whistles... Im pretty confident i can make a cool rig out of it if i plan it out well... but i guess we will see in time.

[@Aphony66]

Im putting a 62 kg slide out kitchen. That is going above the axle with the fridge weighing in at 25 kg at the rear.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

What slide oit kitchen are you using?

[@oldbloke204]

The more I look at all the add ons that people are chucking on vehicles the more I think that something like an off road Pod style trailer is the way to go, albeit an expensive way to go imo. I have a 18 Pajero Sport that I use for camping but I don't have a fridge, dual battery system, drawers etc etc. I basically use an esky and Front Runner Wolf pack boxes that I put everything in. I do have a steel bull bar on it as well as a roof rack (not heavy) but no other real mods that add weight. I chucked it over the weighbridge where I worked a while back before a trip I was doing and it was only 100kg under max weight. Keeping these things under GVM really isn't that easy considering the amount of gear that most people seem to cart around with them these days.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah exactly, especially with all the mod cons for camping these days, we can get around 200kg more with gvm upgrade which will help, but i need to do a bit more research with the sas conversion side of things. Wow... the Pajeto doesnt allow for a lot of weight obviously, i bet there are a lot getting around over weight, they are a popular 4x4. When we did SA we saw a lot of modern Pajero's used as tow vehicles.

[@oldbloke204]

@@lockedhubs4x4 The Pajero Sport can carry around 600 kg, from memory, before GVM is hit. This is pretty comparable to other vehicles I have seen. Mine is base spec so higher models may be a bit less. They have a pretty high tow limit but I'm guessing most that you see pulling decent sized vans will be very close to or over GCM. That would apply to plenty of rigs you see getting around imo.

[@BTBSean0]

I commented on your last vid about weight I knew you would struggle ..Pull your towbar off if you don't tow and build your own draws out of ply with plastic sliders not draw runners .Use plastic tubs to keep it as light as possible ...Good luck

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Thanks mate, thank you for watching again😁👍 thats a good idea, we wont be towing for a while, i will be looking at GVM upgrade options this week, hopefully i can get a bit more out of it. But if not, there are plenty of advantages to keeping it light. Either way we will make it work, and it will be a upgrade to the swag and gazebo set up ive been running for years out the back of the Patrol 😊😎

[@BTBSean0]

@@lockedhubs4x4 Buddy I know your pain ..I have my touring car on my channel as light as I can really get it without sacrificing to much

[@stephenhyslop9572]

Great info. Not mentioned, GVM also includes driver, passengers and luggage etc. So you probably have little left over for mods.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah exactly, a lot edited out of this shoot, there was a whole lot of information and wanted to keep it short and simple. But should have had that in there. definitely be looking at a GVM upgrade. Otherwise we will be looking at a very simple fit out.

[@antem77]

I think you said it's a 2009 model car? I have a 2010 ranger, and I couldn't find anyone to do a gvm upgrade, I think you might find it very difficult to go down that path. Only because the age of the vehicle, good luck, if you win, let me know, I'll try my luck aswell

[@lockedhubs4x4]

@@antem77 yeah its a 2009, I have heard that people have gotten GVM upgrades for them, but dont get a lot of extra weight like more modern vehicles. Ill be doing the ring around during the week, hopefully we can find someone

[@antem77]

@@lockedhubs4x4 it sux, I love my car, it's got plenty of life left in it, I just left ig a bit too late, I'll have to with it for a few more years, then when I build my new rig i will know exactly how to do it, step by step. We learn the hard way sometimes, but what can you do 😉

[@gregmergan4215]

Maths on the 50kg fridge moved back 600mm - 50 x .6 = 30 ?

[@kirostojkoski3684]

Once you put a fridge, 12v battery, spare tyre and tent. Your passengers will need to bus it to camp.

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

I weighed every thing including people for a remote trip in a close to stock Hilux with one jerrycan of diesel and 70 litres of water I had about 120 kg spare

[@lockedhubs4x4]

What gvm were you working with?

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

@@lockedhubs4x4 Stock GVM 3050KG it has a payload of 1050KG I had used about 100 KG in a nudge bar some spot lights and a dual Battery and some better tyres.Two people with food and water for three weeks remote. Fridge and solar panels 50kg, awning 38kg ,ARB twin Swag tools and basic spares filters and belts 40KG it was scary how it soon added up

[@MrJoey9784]

what is the name & brand of your truck scale?

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Dini argeo, designed and made in italy

[@ValigirlHoward]

It was a this point, he knew he had fucked up.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

I still think the Collie will do what we want.. gvm upgrade to 3150, the lighter i can make it the better on fuel it will be and more capable offroad.

[@markpfeiffer1089]

Maths 101: 50 * 1.12 = 56 🙃 Perhaps give the formula instead?

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yep.. oversight while i was editing the video, just done it the way he was explaining

[@atrisk8566]

Old mate needs to re do his calculations 50x0.6 =30. If he meant to say 50x 1.6 that’s 80kg.

[@lockedhubs4x4]

Yeah, i did the diagram the way it was said, over sight in my editing... though they way it was said works and is a simple way for people to work out there weights

[@-Awareness]

I can’t believe you are planning to spend anymore money on that thing… not a chance of staying under legal GVM after you want to put everything in/on it, plus potentially towing… no point jamming a square peg in a round hole, just because thats all you’ve got. Do your research better and purchase a more suited and capable vehicle, then spend your money on that…

[@-Awareness]

Not too mention SAS converting a vehicle that is too heavy and packed out for proper offroad driving?… Sorry, but i shake me head when i see trucks like this on the road and trails. When you understand it, they look so obvious lol…