Will Electric Dirtbikes replace the modern 2-stroke and 4-stroke as we know it? - Gypsy Tales

Stankdog and Jase talk about the upcoming revolution in dirtbikes as we move away from the modern 2-stroke and 4-strokes dirtbikes and into the electric era!
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Gared Steinke races f*cking dirtbikes... 2-Stroke dirt bikes to be exact. He is a cult figure in motocross and one of the most universally loved guys on two wheels. I have always wanted to have Gared on the podcast and I am pumped we were able to make it happen. If you don't want to rip a 125 after listening to this podcast we can't be friends.
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[@mikemallory8892]

There's nothing better than a smell of 2-stroke in the morning.

[@jakebriscoe]

a cup of coffee < a lung-full of race gas and burnt oil

[@vikingson9000]

Mike Mallory that will never change for me ! Even if its just my leaf blower lol

[@The_coachman_on_tour]

Smells like speeeeeddd

[@vintage30]

Viking Son unless you live in the communist state of California.. Smh

[@vikingson9000]

@@vintage30 i heard, no gas powered landscape tools ! Florida here ;)

[@stephenwilson1012]

Can you imagine rd 16 2030 in an electric supercross, stadium dead silent, board goes sideways, someone in the Audience yells "GO" and 10 people jump the gate.

[@one3oneMX]

Haha whole thing sounds terrible. The sound and the feeling it gives you in the stands is half the fun of it.

[@1969cmp]

....10 people....the whole audience 😁

[@artvarnson8009]

Haaaaaaaaaaa.... Good one.

[@ericcarney5028]

Glorified BMX race.... yeah, that’ll fill a stadium. Some people don’t think about consequences to theses decisions.

[@yamahakid450f]

Yiu hear the riders making their own engine noises while racing lmao. I do a mean 2 stroke going through the whoops 😆

[@G_Robinson]

"You'd be literally able to hear the Monster chick fart" - Jase 😂😂😂

[@offroadrider119]

I would be fine with with electric bikes as long as gas are still around. But if there is no more gas bikes due to the electric ones I would hate them. I would love to have both though.

[@shooter7a]

Batteries and energy density are the limiting factor. In a pro National...top riders are using up about a full tank. 1.7 gallons = 200,000 Btu. But a race engine is only about 33-35% efficient in a BTU to mechanical output basis....probably 30% by the time transmission and chain drag is taken into account. So in mechanical output capability, you are looking at 60,000 BTU output work capacity for a tank of gas. Converting that to KJ (the more commonly used metric energy/work unit) gives 63,300 KiloJoules of mechanical power output potential in a gas tank. A gallon of gas weighs 6.3#, so 1.7 gallons = 10.7# = 4.85 KG Lets assume the energy source carrying structure - the tank - would be equal to the housing of a battery, and just compare the energy density of the fuel sources. So now you can figure the energy density of your fossil fuel "energy source"...the fuel in your tank. 63,300 KJ vs 4.85 KG mass = 13,051 KJ (Mechanical Output) per KG of fuel. This compares closely to that published here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density Remember that I took efficiency into account. The Wiki page is showing theoretical chemical energy potential from gasoline combustion. So 13,051 / .3 = 43,505 in chemical potential energy. But then divide by 3.6 to convert KJ to Watt*hour and you have 12,084....vs 12,888 claimed by Wikipedia. So my numbers are in the range of correctness. Always double check to make sure an answer roughly makes sense. So, what is the state of the art in battery energy density? www.cei.washington.edu/education/science-of-solar/battery-technology/ The highest energy density claimed today is 265 Wh/kg. 1 Wh (Watt*hour) - 3.6 KJ. So you are looking at a state of the art energy density of 954 KJ per KG! Even with 100% electrical to mechanical efficiency to get the same amount of energy needed to ride a pro-national at pro race pace you are going to need a power unit (battery) that weighs 63,300 KJ / (954 KJ/KG) = 66 KG, or 145 pounds. The way I see it we need a MASSIVE MASSIVE revolution in electrical energy storage to make EMX bikes really work for competitive riding. Yes the electrical motor will weight less than an IC motor, but not 130# less.....

[@gymjake7619]

E-bikes could definitely have their own spot in the sport. Imagine how cool a 15 rider gate backyard race series would be to watch on KZbin. We all know any residence with 10+ acres could pull off having a sick track in the back yard

[@j-swag7438]

I think alot of the hate towards electric dirt bikes comes from the assumption that they're going to replace petrol dirt bikes. to me they seem like a great secondary bike that you can ride around your backyard without pissing off everyone within a 1km radius. I would happily take a slightly worse riding experience to be able to do that

[@artvarnson8009]

Great point bud ! I never looked at it that way.

[@microsoft790]

this is huge because nobody is going to the dunes or ride Baja on an electric bike. I want one of each. one that i can ride on my own property and not piss off my neighbors and one to rev the shit out of

[@vintage30]

Avery Dehait Nobody is going to ride in either place or any place with a petro orv if liberals have their way. They will want ban the E vehicles also because they still tear up mother earth and kill the wild flowers … smh

[@marmaleg5309]

No hate toward electric bikes here. I think we might get a little defense though when people start talking about getting rid of something you love and enjoy. Imagine if we all had electric bikes and gas powered ones were talked about replacing our electric bikes. They'd be defensive too I imagine. I say let supply and demand rule the day and everyone gets what they want.

[@j-swag7438]

​@@marmaleg5309 agree, Id be mad if gas bikes were gone too

[@motoxguy7]

Two pitfalls: #1 We all would miss out on trying to see the crash, when hearing that infamous panic rev, on the other side of the track. #2 Do we really “want” to hear all the 50 parents screaming….”GO FASTER!!!!!!” while giving their kids the “air throttle” signal…🤛✊?!??

[@vikingson9000]

😆😆

[@avzeolla3960]

Stank dog , pingree, and sleeter are the guys worth listening to.

[@reecetbobby5347]

StankDog is the man. Love hearing his opinions on things like this. Hope he has a great final year in pro MX!

[@AjCatanzaro]

Buy one, Jase! You won’t regret it 😎

[@bradholtzclaw3768]

Oh snap it's AJ. If you see livesay, keep breaking his balls for us Austin folks lol

[@jakobhearn7081]

As a rider and a fan, I will die before watching a all electric supercross. The smell of the fuel, the sound, that's why I go to races. It's a package deal imo.

[@MichaelAbramo]

I'm a rider and racer and I don't care for the noise. So hyped for an e-dirtbike once battery range is sorted. If I can ride an enduro on one charge at race pace, count me in. I have 1.5 acres in a somewhat crowded area. I'm backed up to woods. Right now, nobody minds but nobody would even know if I were on an e-dirtbike. Just to add... E-bikes are probably technically safer except for the battery. Failures might be more rare than an ICE engine but might be more dangerous for the rider if it's a battery failure. Also, electric motors with transmissions are available. Maybe it turns out that most or even all riders won't want a transmission, but I bet most people will want a mechanical clutch. There's a reason Electric Motion and GasGas put mechanical clutches on their electric trials bikes.

[@marmaleg5309]

I like the idea of still having a transmission. Should allow for better throttle control.

[@islanddoggear]

Stankdog is such a legend in his own right. Your podcast rips.

[@MadRam11]

My kid has been racing the Electric KTM 50 for almost 2 years and it is awesome. We have several Cobras and the KTM is my favorite bike. The maintenance is so much less compared to a gas bike!

[@mattcyr3342]

Madram! Your vids are badass 🤘

[@MadRam11]

@@mattcyr3342 thanks I appreciate it

[@vikingson9000]

MadRam11 I got a lot of self accomplishment in working on the Cobras and helping my son by giving him the best ride he could have. That was the best part of being a peewee dad, now you just charge it it make sure he/she gets to the gate on time? I guess this is the future? Glad I missed it.

[@FirstGendodgegarage]

@@vikingson9000 thank you best reply , working on the bike is what it’s all about making upgrades and noticing the difference betweeen dialing it in and having some piece of junk

[@p0wn]

I remember when Stankdog rode the Alta at the PIR Race. He did well with no experience on the bike. I have the bike. It's amazing.

[@Mall_Watch]

The last part about how tech could be further applied in MX like what has happened in Motogp. The novelty of this is attractive at first, the idea of being able to do new things but do you really want the outcome of a race decided by which teams trailer of 30 computer programmers has done the best job of tailoring the electronics to a track? We have the current world champion and Suzuki spending this year trying to get the adjustable rear suspension working correctly and being uncompetitive. The most advanced F1 cars ran in the early 90s they had traction control, ABS and active suspension like motogp today. Seriously all hale the FW14b, what they did with that car and its tech, was crazy, especially for the time. But as a fan any step further in the direction of setup and machinery rendering a world class rider uncompetitive is IMO a wrong move. A side effect of this is drastically raising cost for the teams because once one makes this step the others have to in order to compete. All of the addition people equipment etc.. is very, very expensive and MX is not the most healthy these days.

[@ericcarney5028]

Agreed.... technology like this keeps the Williams team from ever competing against a Merc in F1 and forget about any other teams entering F1 due to cost. If MX Privateers can’t afford to compete with the factory teams now... this kind of tech would completely destroy the privateer & ruin MX completely.

[@dustinguriel620]

Sorry but most dudes have a hard on for new tech, get a new iPhone every six months.. they’re pushing for this electric dirt bike apocalypse more and more every year.. 🤦‍♂️

[@marmaleg5309]

Well said. They were just talking about how cool it would be to alter the computer in the dirt bike for a specific corner. No thanks, not interested.

[@uncoant4750]

You can't even kick your bike over in the suburbs to change the oil without the fuzz killing the vibe.

[@TheShift1313]

Yeah i got my 450 sxf tagged and its loud.

[@ericcarney5028]

So, you don’t think people in the suburbs will cry about dust or claim the Mx track will drive home values down and still kill the track? Remember, Commiefornia won’t allow farmers water for their crops all over a freaking fish....

[@TheShift1313]

@@ericcarney5028 im not talking the suburbs. I am still talking land. But even here in VA one of the local riding areas like like 60ac and very rural but there is still a handful of neighbors that complain.

[@ericcarney5028]

@@TheShift1313 they won’t stop... have 2 or 3 over riding maybe no complaints, then 5-10 show up & all the sudden it’s dust or crying about erosion or some Karen bs. It’s just typical... especially in states like Virginia unfortunately.

[@TheShift1313]

@@ericcarney5028 yup. I have friends in colorado where they have blm land and its very different. But here in VA....yup.

[@dsm02c]

Both my kids have the KTM SX-E, they’re awesome bikes. Once they get fast though the battery dies in about 30 min.

[@LukeSykes11]

I feel like the next generation will grow up with E bikes just how I did with 4 strokes. The crf 150 came out when I would have been on an 80. And then I moved onto a crf250 instead of a 125. I don’t even like how 2 strokes feel since I’ve only been on 4 strokes for the past 15+ years now.

[@1969cmp]

......the bike question with e-bikes is range. Finke Desert Race, ISDE, Dakar....

[@Cl4rky]

Ya not missing much mate, 2 strokes suck 😂😂

[@davewise29]

I’m glad I’m old and won’t have to witness the finale nail in the coffin of Freedom when a SX has electric bikes competing!

[@kempy7698]

Love the thumbnail of stanks eyes , also love the comment about the monster girl during a E bike race. Effing EPIC .

[@moparone7962]

I think without the noise the core fan base will get bored after awhile and not watch, some will I guess but just like top fuel dragsters, the noise is part of the fun.

[@Chase-uc1uh]

I agree. However that’s why they are focusing primarily on the kiddos first. I just can’t like it...

[@artvarnson8009]

Bam.... You just nailed it!

[@Chase-uc1uh]

@@artvarnson8009 pickin up a new mini tomorrow afternoon. Mines gonna remember the smell of a 2stroke and grate drops with dad when he’s grown.

[@artvarnson8009]

@@Chase-uc1uh Good for you bro it's good to know that there is someone out there with old school thinking like me.... I'm usually not to opinionated on things but I am when it come to these E-bikes, I truly believe that they will ruin any form of dirt biking. Putting a kid on an E-bike and not on a two stroke is like putting your kid in soccer..... I hope you kid don't paly soccer. Lol.

[@Chase-uc1uh]

@@artvarnson8009 late to reply but I completely agree and there is no soccer in this house… the mini was complete success Btw little man did awesome!

[@ivenjarchau218]

E-bikes are opening the doors for MX contest etc. within Cities. As well as that, imagine MX tracks somewhere in the town-center. E-bikes are gonna make this possible...

[@DavidJDiehl]

The sound of dirtbikes adds so much intensity to the sport. But Electric bikes are definitely the future. I wish Alta hadn't gone bankrupt, I wanted to buy one once the technology evolved a bit.

[@_frivolousteddy_5924]

I don’t even want to imagine a full race with e bikes 🙅‍♂️

[@CaddyJim]

Here in Arizona it's more of a dust problem than a noise problem but I was told the dust ordinance was put in the law back when people used to hang their clothes outside to dry

[@CaddyJim]

I would much rather see them allow the 250 2-stroke to race a 250 4-strokes before they allow electric bikes to compete *IMO*

[@MARCHOFTHESAS]

How is it the same when you have no clutch and no gearbox and instant 100 percent torque ?

[@Dylans503]

Its not instant 100 percent torque or it would be unrideable

[@GYPSYTALES]

Well technically you would have instant torque but it does need to be modulated to be made rideable. Think about a light switch. It's on/off depending on certain conditions or you add a dimming switch...

[@MARCHOFTHESAS]

@@GYPSYTALES I get that. But don’t you feel that takes away some of the challenge and skill on riding a bike ?

[@johnblenkin2078]

@@MARCHOFTHESASI think it would change the challenge, and skills required. It may not necessarily detract.

[@CRAAZYpants2]

Damn jace. I don’t usually mind the click baity titles, but threatening two strokes like this is crossing the line

[@GYPSYTALES]

HAHA my bad G

[@kristophergardner4644]

I hope I’m not alive to see this movement…. Can’t kill the two strokes man

[@thomastarkanian8980]

Jase is right tho, Electric is coming whether we like it or not!

[@marmaleg5309]

@@kristophergardner4644 heck these people are talking about killing the four strokes too. At the same time Yamaha is coming out with new and improved two strokes, and it looks like they are becoming more popular. So can't we all live in harmony, riding whatever we want?

[@gladegoodrich2297]

Love the sound of a 125 2 stroke at the track. At my mountain cabin not so much.

[@Animalguy__33]

Cry

[@GT-mn3bx]

I would have never started. The sound and smell of leaded gas and Klotz castor oil was addicting. Just like gas RC cars with pipes running Nitro and Klotz.

[@MFrase927]

My only gripe with e bikes, and moreso for the younger kids, is not being able to hear the guy or guys behind you and being able to anticipate where they are based off the noise of the bike. Other than that I think it’ll be a great thing for our industry!

[@alexandermoore1477]

Can we please get a cold drink for Stankdogs cottonmouth ???

[@logandoubleyou2549]

I was at pir in Portland when he was riding that Alta it was so sick

[@deanfloyd8931]

We're experiencing an exchange of freedom for service and privileges. How long until unnecessary risk is on the ash heap of history?

[@artvarnson8009]

Best comment on this post.... and to answer your question, Not long bud!

[@mike_damman]

That whole concept makes me cringe, as full replacement at least

[@1969cmp]

....yep....

[@noahstuart606]

Once the battery technology is there to ride (or drive) for hours without a charge EVs are going to take over

[@yzracer55]

I have 2 Altas and a tx300i two stroke. You don't need to choose, enjoy both for what they're good at 🤟🏻

[@onementality9781]

The noise problem isn't what will push for the change, its called the epa brother

[@justinsane7128]

The Alta Supply chain is dry... Bought a used Beta instead.

[@NeoMK]

The supply chain of almost everything is drying up. Went to get an oil change and a guy with a diesel couldn't get his done because they were out of filters and haven't had a shipment in over a month. Getting sketchy.

[@rileew4007]

Having no strokes is better than having 4 of em. Hell, I bet ol Gunther Riggs will be happy to call off the search for strokes.

[@nicksapp6543]

Ohio loves stank dog. Come back to Chillicothe. Scott Plessinger putting on a five day event in 2022.

[@stevesmock5005]

It would be like going to a rock concert and there was no sound. Or did you ever go to the Long Beach ePrix - yeah no one else did either and there's a reason why its not on the schedule any more. Agreed, perfect for around the neighborhood dirt lots but not the night show.

[@thisishowiedewitt76]

I can’t wait for full size electric dirt bikes to become mainstream.

[@GYPSYTALES]

Same to be honest. I wanna ride it all!

[@terryfonz4603]

Not a chance!!! They don’t run a full moto!

[@chrisbuehler6868]

Now but I'm sure they've barely scratched the surface of development

[@bwhaskell]

maybe not a full 30+2 with a professional onboard, but for mere mortals it more than enough range. You'll likely be tired on a motocross track before the battery is low.

[@bones6554]

@@bwhaskell I'm curious about the longevity of a E bike. How long will the battery life last?

[@bwhaskell]

@@bones6554 i have 190hrs over 3 years on the bike and havent noticed degredation. Maybe 5% at most if im being critical about it. Still performs like the day i bought it.

[@kyleosbun]

What you were saying about the teslas. They are everywhere now. I counted 6 in the parking lot of the movie theater last night. On a Tuesday when it wasnt busy.

[@dennisrapp3164]

you guys should check out the Stark Varg that is coming up. that thing is a beast!

[@bwhaskell]

My Alta MXR is the best dirtbike i've ever owned, hands down. I have a video on my channel with over 1 million views showing me racing against 4 strokes and destroying all of them.

[@MX-CO]

I think electric will be the future but I really hope they keep them separated from Gas bikes! Make them thier own classes and series, historically mixing bikes has never gone well. My biggest question isn't if its when but I feel like it could be 5-10 years until electric is fully ready to be the majority

[@malikedwards2180]

Imagine all the damage to wisco, fmf, pro circuit, twin air, ect.... it will desimate a whole industry

[@user-wk9bu6xm7y]

Could have tracks in town because of the lack of noise would be the good part

[@thedude7726]

I love the smell and sounds of mx but electric bikes will be the future

[@CaddyJim]

A couple small electric bike companies getting into supercross I'm with stank dog it's going to be over 20 years because the manufacturers are going to want it unless they have an electric bike of their own so they will pressure the AMA not to allow it

[@Lracer61]

Wish alta would make a come back, would pick one up for sure

[@GYPSYTALES]

Same man!

[@keithclarke5137]

Electric bikes should be the best all rounder for people like myself who can only afford 1 bike. I can have full power for sand dunes and then head into technical single trail / hard endro I can detune it. I'll get one when they are equal with a fuel bike on reliably and how far they can go on a charge.

[@maciejcapinski7716]

MAY A TALK WITH LANCE COURY IN THE FUTURE?

[@octanegarage]

There is a difference between the current range of electric kids minibikes vs the Alta and other electric production bikes. There are a handful of second hand Alta bikes in Australia but it is worth understanding why Alta didn't work and why manafacturers aren't supporting the concept. Alta had the best chance and when they went under they were absorbed by Harley/BRP which binned it. The Harley Livewire was developed before Alta acquisition. Very unfortunate as they were ahead of their time with a great production design and business model. What it did show was the inability to launch a new brand into the marketplace.

[@Raydio6]

Not to mention the instantaneous throttle response ⚡️

[@ottorocket]

I don’t have an alta but they seem rad af. I’m a nerdy engineering MFer and I would love to get my hands on one. That Honda prototype needs to come out already.

[@uncoant4750]

Prediction... kids on 50s today won't be on ICE bikes when they go pro...

[@joshuamervis]

Yes. I’m Moto-Cross, Supercross, I.E. event with a short time duration, it’s over for the combustion engine. I’m bummed but the writing is there on the wall to see

[@SnowmobileHomeMovies]

So many people hate electric, but when their loud old unreliable bikes are getting smoked by silent electric bikes that never need to be rebuilt, everything will change. I have only 2-stokes now, but can't wait for electric to take over.

[@marcusbevz6500]

Riding in my property without noise complaints allowing me to train without driving an hour to the track one way and paying 30 bucks entry, count me in hopefully Ebikes get cheaper

[@johnbest4680]

I love Stank Dog and he reminded me of Upchurch.

[@eddies2kturbo]

I ride trails in the mountains, an E-bike is unpractical in those conditions. Nobody wants to get stuck miles out in the tree line

[@teeweezy75]

E- Bikes are not for me….. I like smell and sound

[@skigod9]

Have you seen a fast guy on an alta... it sounds cool like silent but electronic like wining

[@moosemilk8956]

Yeah kind of like e-women are not for me . I like the smells and sounds

[@fugginrambo]

best moment in podcast history @10:04

[@untrainedmechanic]

From the competition perspective instead of trying to kill off 4 strokes like they did 2 strokes, ebikes should get their own class. Guarantee the audience/viewership will be remain focused on the ICE bikes

[@edit4112]

What about the KTM Freeride E-XC? Anyone riding those? I’ve ridden the Sur Ron and it’s damn fun. More like a mountain bike/moto type thing.

[@Mikesbaron1974]

I know the Freeride has a 40 mile range and the thing weighs as much an DRZ400! I own a tricked out Sur Ron=money pit. Offroad mountain trail riding=15-18 miles. LAME.

[@1PotatoeMasher1]

I’d like to see the top bikes as hybrids for big power and the best of both worlds.

[@davewildfong962]

brp bought alta motors..maybe they will use it and bring back the can-am, be cool as hell

[@Erick-di9gm]

No one is talking about the fade. They don't have the same power to the end of the battery charge.

[@blarpieman]

Isn't alta done at this point?

[@malikedwards2180]

Will turn my back on watching the sport if it goes electric

[@letmeslay8576]

what would this mean for all the mechanics though?

[@GYPSYTALES]

That they would get good at coding and electronics.

[@spencerfisher4080]

@@GYPSYTALES as someone who works on ebikes a lot. coding isn’t necessary. plug in, diagnose, software fixes most issues.

[@TheCoolerBrother]

I bet 10-20 years in the future… super cross and moto cross will have an e bike class

[@HarryGraham415]

They will loose some fans, but i believe electric will grow the sport bigger than it’s ever been. Electric bikes give a sense of safety to them and more people are more likely to give dirt bikes a try. Combine that with them being easier to ride having no clutch or gears to operate. I’ve seen kids ride faster when they get on electric. The noise can scare them and give them a sense they are going too fast.

[@andrewcastillo5003]

Gears are how I know how to hit a jump it's either wide open 2nd or 3rd I feel like I would over jump everything and get fucked up

[@mattymccolgan9453]

I think everyone is missing the point that going dirtbike camping will no longer be a thing as you would need multiple generators humming through the night etc. Bikes are already too fast so they are faster(more difficult) and if you run out of battery in the middle of the bush your kind of fucked, your buddy can't just bring you a tin full fuel to fill up no, you have to stay there for hours to get a little charge in those batteries

[@Eriu-88-88-]

Stankdogg is right. Suspension needs to be better and at least 5kg lighter and im getting one. ATM They feel like a exc500 in weight and crf-250 in power.

[@no_wing_no_prayer]

We don't have a fucking choice boys

[@apptouchtechnologies3722]

It’ll happen. Energy density will get there. Add AI and electronically tuned suspension….. perfect settings for every part of the track. It’ll be better faster cheaper eventually. Won’t be long, just talk to your bike and adjust on the fly….

[@ralphfader7537]

the surron is the best bang for the buck its very similar to the cuber and now that the varg is out E bikes will flood the market soon

[@sailorsclub1170]

We need an urban Dirtbike.

[@KyleSmile25]

Regardless of weather electric is faster or not, I will always no matter what use petrol. If motocross goes electric very few people will turn up to watch and the sport will die out quickly. So yes it might be the latest tech, take a lot of work and time to make it work. but that doesn't mean it helps the sport so personally I'll steer well clear of the electric stuff cause it's just not my thing.

[@DualEnduro]

E-Motorcycles are a killer for the industry as a whole. It will take time for the transition to go full circle for the bad that will happen first to compensate the change later on. Sales drives racing, and that stands very true on the parts side. Take a moment to think of all the gas powered motor components that will slowly disappear. Don’t get us wrong there is still gear, tires, and chassis tuning but the average Powersports dealer is in trouble in CA.

[@mav459]

Motocross and supercross fans are too hardcore to switch over. No premix? No 4 stroke thunder? No thanks. But, there is a simple solution. I am not going to lie. I work in the automotive industry and recently drove a Tesla P90. The torque was effing insane. I couldn't imagine having 100% of torque applied to 0 rpm's. Instant torque. I think it would change SUPERCROSS forever. Motocross. The motors don't even last a full moto. Then take too long to charge to race the 2nd. Yeah sure if you can afford an extra motor that costs thousands of dollars. (25,000 for a tesla) I am very curious to see how this goes.

[@TheShift1313]

Harley didnt buy alta but they had a deal to help develop the livewire but they dropped the deal. I think it was part of what killed alta. I think they were leveraged and the HD deal would have saved them sadly.

[@jeremy_beckers]

As much as I hate to say it I think electric dirt bikes will be the future. Obviously the old school 2-smoker and the new 4 strokes are sweet but think how nice electric bikes would be for riding regulations. More tracks because of less noise complaints and so on. No oil changes is a plus too.

[@marmaleg5309]

I have no problem talking about the pros and cons of electric dirt bikes, but not interested in a total replacement of gas powered ones. Can we not live in a world with both?

[@oRBTo]

Stankdog is just David Pingree in disguise.

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

Problem is: 1. Sound. We like to hear the sound and what is going on with the bike 2. Weight 3. Distance. Outside of supercross or MX track it could be a problem. Many of us ride on track and trails/desert. 4. Fans like sound as part of the experience (see 1). This is why no one shows up to Formula E races while Formula 1 and Indycar get so many fans. It just isn’t that exciting to not hear anything. At some point it is gonna happen, I just hope it isn’t any time soon

[@racesla]

It kills me when people blast something they've never experienced or used themselves. In this case e dirtbikes. Also many can't imagine having fun riding a dirtbike if they can't hear the engine. Ridiculous, go check out some of AJ Catanzaros videos. So I guess none of you folks ride mountain bikes?

[@ohiomoto]

Harley bailed out on the Alta deal and BRP bought the assets. BRP owns Can-Am but I don't think they want to build motorcycles.

[@moparone7962]

Might put a cr500 engine in an Alta. With a greta thunburg sticker on the fender. Let's go Brandon!

[@travisrogers5634]

😂 duude you the goat 😂💯😂💯

[@pwright141]

The goat of Stupid

[@moparone7962]

@@pwright141 e.s.a.d commie

[@offroadrider119]

Also you would have to charge it with a generator. It defeats the purpose of having electric bikes.

[@mav459]

2 smoke makes you poke 😉

[@donnieburger3721]

no fucking way e bikes will be in the back of my truck and as a motorcycle tech i will never let one in my shop

[@joemichie4865]

Electric bikes are a great idea for certain people and places they ride...I really hope it doesn't end up electric bikes for everyone especially in racing...and the fact ur saying someone with a computer can control the how a bike is ridden on the track is a recipe to get more people hurt in the sport...these guys grow up riding...they know how to ride the bikes ...dont let computers get involved in their ability...it will end bad for the riders and the sport