H Creamback one of Nolly's favourite Modern Metal speakers!

[@ZillaCabs]

Would you use the H Creamback? Let us know below!

[@ramilrodriguez8340]

@@ZillaCabs yes.

[@grahamkelly8299]

No, and the reason is because there is just to much low end for hard rock metal. The Neo is much better suited for this. I have both. The H is great for blues music because of the nice sizzle top end

[@RobbieF]

One of my next cabs will likely be an H Creamback 1x12.

[@Bloor005]

I'd happily use the majority of the speakers you demo on here tbh. Not a fan of Vintage 30s but wouldnt say no to using them in a mix.

[@Manley156]

@@grahamkelly8299 The power of EQ. I use an H Creamback with my heads with zero issue. Hard rock? Seriously you don't think this speaker can do some hard rock tones? Bruh

[@MrCurtyWurty]

The yellow 4x12 you made with the H creams is a beast. I use it in the summer for the outdoor gigs and it always cuts through perfectly without overpowering the sonic space of other instruments. Such clarity and grunt at the same time!

[@ZillaCabs]

Ace, I remember that cab. Glad you're still loving it mate.

[@RDembowski]

2:34 Completely agree with that, the H Creamback can never go wrong. One of Celestion's greatest successes

[@Tjdes]

I actually got my Zilla Fatboy with a V30 + Creamback H exactly 10 years ago this month, and it was thanks to Nolly. Absolutely love it, has been my main cab for tons of different genres and has shaped so much of how I understand tone it's crazy to think about now. Thanks for making such a great product!

[@alanst.4417]

I think the A is V30 and B the Creamback, as it sounds more balanced and doesn't have that famous upper midrange fizz going on IMO. That "doesn't get along with the V30" guy is just my case 😂. Although not a metal guy, I'm glad that Nolly sees the Creamback's qualities and surprised at the same time that it's not far away from the V30 in the end. Thanks for another interesting video, Zilla 👍

[@alrecks619]

i know this combination from Periphery and i understand why you guys recommended em this mix, although funnily enough, they used V30 + G12K-100 mix in their latest album.

[@ZillaCabs]

That's cool, the K100 is a nice speaker.

[@moonelfcosmo]

Love the H Creamback and DV-77 combo

[@stephenpertesis7710]

I have a V30 and H75 cream in my 2x12. The cream sounds more "woody" in the mids and has more highs above ~6k which makes the V30 sound more present from ~4-7k. Hard to say, but blending the cream into the V30 gives it a more mid range "woodiness" (maybe ~600Hz) that can either give it more body and a little more Vox element.

[@ArcticonComp]

We've been working on a sludgy desert rock album with a lot of different fuzz tones, and our singer's 2x12 Zilla cab with the Creamback H's has proven to be a great recording cab time and time again. paired with a handwired Vox AC30 head and using the amp's normal channel we have a seriously versatile pedal platform amp that can do everything from low baritones to chimey 12-strings. The cab (and the elements) translate nicely to the song miked with various different microphones. I've even thrown a AKG C1000s at it and been pleased with the results. This is one great element, especially in a Zilla 2x12.

[@ZillaCabs]

Excellent, thanks mate I'm glad you like it. It's always nice to hear stuff like that.

[@Nik-zc5ro]

I am listening with my krappy iPhone speakers and I am very sure A is the v30 because it has that slightly harsh sizzle in the upper frequencies. The Creamback is more forward in the mids which I like. I am thinking about replacing two of the v30 for G12Hs in my Recto cab.

[@KreativeDevices]

Straight 🔥!

[@ZillaCabs]

It is a cool speaker. Thanks for watching.

[@evanmiller2529]

I put one (Creamback H) in my HIWATT T20 combos as I found the originally fitted Fane speaker too Hi-Fi. Despite being someone who mostly plays fairly clean relying mostly on breakup of the output stage with little output gain, the Creamback adds a character full low to mid growl I like a lot.

[@Thansferium]

Got hem in a 4x12 in an X pattern with WGS Retro 30s, great sound for metal!

[@ZillaCabs]

Great. Nice and tight.

[@lordgraga]

Damn this one was hard. I _think_ A is the Creamback H but I've gone back and forth on it. It sounds a bit more "burpy" (in a cool way) because it balances a bit more towards the low mids.

[@stewarttomkinson3356]

Yea I thank that to

[@Aston6Speed]

I got two OS 412 Mesa cabs, one with 90's V30s and X pattern 2001 V30s/new K100s in the other; a 2012 Orange PPC412 w/ original V30s and lastly a Whitebox 212 with V30/H Creamback mix. I really like the V30/K100 mix but I also have a sweet spot for the V30/H Creamback mix. I think the K100 gives the V30 a punchier low end without being muddy and can really make the sound huge, but the H Creamback gives it a more "in your face" or more open/clearer character compared to the K100 pairing

[@vanalhalen]

I replaced one of the two V30 by a G12H Creamback in my Orange PPC212 and it sounds soooooo good

[@ZillaCabs]

Those two are great for mixing together.

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

Never met a creamback I didn't like. I went for 2 Ms in the plexi instead of an M and H, but now I have a V-type in the bottom and am thinking about the H or a V30 for it. Or the g12H anniversary or 55Hz. I love speakers too much lol Why don't you make a 12x12 LOL

[@ZillaCabs]

we could make you a 12x12 if you like... shipping might be a bit expensive though haha

[@NINEWALKING]

For me, there is no question at all. Creamback H is one of the best ceramic magnet Celestion speakers ever, and I learned to highly dislike V30's. Creamback H is superior for any type of music and any level of gain. It's balanced way better and doesn't have this horrible bump of the V30. It has way better "resolution" and can reproduce more details. Sure, there are similarities between almost all heavy magnet Celestion models. Way they play low end and control the top end. But EQ wise and resolution wise they are very different. I have to say, though, that most of my conclusions are made with amplifiers and gear that are exceptional and can reproduce every detail possible. Plus, most of the testing, for me, starts at clean and lives in lower gain than this. Also, with some other gear, especially with standard PCB based amplifiers, the difference shrinks a lot. When you have certain type of ceramic pickups in muddy guitars that sound dull and kill details, then with the high gain, amplifiers can make a lot of harmonics and fake top end similar to what happens with the EC women tone. But if you want details, there is no substitute to low turn vintage style pickups that are scatter wound. Once you try boutique pickups, you are spoiled for life 😊 Take, for example, Sunbear pickups you have there in the UK. Stuart builds magic in them. In proper instruments, they just have their own character and all of the details. So yeah, V30 can fit some amplifiers and some styles, but Creamback H can do all of that and do it way better. It will not help some dark and scooped amplifiers as much as V30 will, but it will play more truthfully what comes out of the amplifer plus add some sugar on the top. V30 is more extreme, and that makes it good for mixing with other speakers in the cabinets. But Creamback H is great for that as well. It's great for any application I have tried. From open back 1x12 to bigger cabs with closed back and in mix with a Creamback M, it makes one of the best speaker combinations ever. Only when you get to some D style amplifiers and relatively clean playing some other speakers can fit better. Speakers with less give and extremely high power handling that is. For everything else, Creamback H is one of the best speakers of all brands for me. I have to say that I use Alnico Cream more often, but that's completely another story and has to do more with the amplifiers than with the speskers themselves. Alnico Cream fits better to some point to point amplifiers.

[@ZillaCabs]

Thats a great comment. The H cream is a really coolspeaker. I've always liked it for numerous different styles and situations but I've recently found myself using it even more.

[@NINEWALKING]

@ZillaCabs if I make the best 1x12 combo amplifier, I can build, I wouldn't be thinking twice over putting a Creamback H in it. If ceramic magnet sound is what a person wants, that's it for me. In the 2x12 combo, I would go with H and M combination.

[@hiyeja]

Wow they sound really similar! Great Video 🤘🏻 It would have been cool if you blended the V30 and the Creamback at the end of the Video just to show how they mix. Just a thought Greetings Philipp

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Truth be told, I don't think I could tell the H and V30 apart in a blind shootout. I think it's a great speaker

[@ZillaCabs]

They both have very similar qualities. I think that's why I like them mixed together so much.

[@catalyzed8457]

H & M Creamback in a 212 is 🔥🔥🔥

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah that is a great mix for sure.

[@alrecks619]

H for rhythm and M for lead

[@gab.lab.martins]

To me, the H-75 has a low end punch, tight percussiveness that few other speakers have. It's a great blending speaker.

[@ZillaCabs]

I totally agree.

[@Darth.Shredder]

I love Creambacks... H is great but I still favor the M (if I could only choose one). I mix them with each other or with the Redback or H30 Anniversary.

[@riangarianga]

I can't recall it, aren't both speakers using the same cones? Lots of Celestion speakers do, though.

[@nj1255]

Would be interesting to hear the H Creamback against the H-30 Heritage. They sound very similar to my ears! The H-30 Heritage has been discontinued tho (unfortunately). There's still the Anniversary, which I like better for metal, but the Heritage was simply the perfect old school rock/heavy metal speaker.

[@ramilrodriguez8340]

Nice. I’ll say Bv30, Acream. They do sound very similar. Howerer, I don’t hear on the cream what I hate from the V30. That said, that cream is one of my favorites. I have it in a 212 with a wgs et65 and love it.

[@ZillaCabs]

Hi mate, I don't have the notes here and my speakers are pretty bad on this laptop so don't want to listen ;) I'll let you know later on.

[@ramilrodriguez8340]

@@ZillaCabs I can’t hear what I say about what I hate about v30’s on this demo. I say that from previous references.

[@Vonliderhof]

Waiting for the k100 vs V30 video

[@ZillaCabs]

That's being made at the moment.

[@Mr.Pink1996]

Sounds pretty close to my Weber Gray Wolf speakers

[@ZillaCabs]

We've not had any in here for a while.

[@MFKitten]

The thing that annoys me with literally all 12" guitar speakers is that there's always a horribly resonant treble peak somewhere, and the best you can get is to have other treble peaks be loud enough to mask it. Or have it be outside the most obnoxious frequencies. This is why I always prefer the sound of guitar apeakers through the mic, where those reaonant treble peaks can cancel out with the mic position. I wanna see passive electronic filters on guitar speakers to dip out the resonant treble frequency, honestly. Loudspeakers have that kind of thing all the time, and bass cabs have crossover circuits for the horn, so it's not like it's unheard of.

[@resistorstudios]

Been using the h75 in a mesa 212 for years. I will never go back to the v30.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

The Creamback H is when you don't like the V30, but don't absolutely loathe it... you just want it to be a little less extra... 😂 A sounds like the V30 to me. I have a 2x12 with a V30/Creamback M combo and love it.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

for me A is the brighter fizzier v30

[@RuneJacobsen-ox7cr]

more bass, mid in the cream back, less breakup and less screaming highs.. in clean sound the difference is a lot more noticeable .

[@mjntrax1-pq5eg]

A is V30

[@Poly6Groove]

The Creamback H is the more raw, organic brother of the V30

[@jaychen2000metal]

Saw this in my feed so i just had to say - I put 2 Weber Grey Wolfs and 2 Mojotone Greyhounds in my cab and let's just say if you offered me $1600 for that cab, i'd decline!

[@ZillaCabs]

I suppose it depends what you are playing and the cab they are in. We didn't have those speakers here for this test, we did use about twenty others but unfortunately we couldn't test everything.

[@DP13999]

Just a better speaker all around. Why bother with the V30 at all?

[@stewarttomkinson3356]

B is the v 30

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

B is the Creamback for sure. It’s got a little more “sting”

[@megano112]

A is v30

[@zajefajnylogin]

A - Creamback