H&K VP9 Torture Test

[@guywalker5946]

Spent 8 years of my life as a combat Marine, and never had a firearm exposed to the conditions you subject firearms to in your torture tests. My EDC is the VP 9. I have hundreds of rounds through it and it has been flawless.

[@Rico702Vegas]

Veteran here too, VP40 all day...

[@josealtuve5395]

I'd put my vp9 up against any other handgun.

[@joshanon9031]

I’m from Alaska and have shot so many rifles,handguns and shotguns. My VP9 is my EDC. It’s hard to miss with it. I feed quality ammo into it and junk steel rounds. They have aircraft grade aluminum striker plates.

[@josephhollis6409]

Yeah but go crawl through the mug in a fire fight say like Vietnam and see if it works. Out current theater of operations is dry more the time. The berettas at my unit were dinged up bad just from handling them the way the army does. The thin polymer trigger guard and little polymer wings would be broken so fast. As a suppressor user, this gun not being a good host bums me out

[@darrenconverseable]

He says within the first 20 seconds these tests are not meant to be realistic and are extreme.

[@Rodgerdat]

I think HK was hoping when you threw the gun like a boomerang it would come back and hit you in the nuts.

[@rockyj5047]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@josephkepnes2639]

He was turned down by H&K. That's why.

[@PhalanxR]

Now redo your old glock torture test, same conditions.

[@nourat0w3l95]

Note to self: don’t use VP9 to fight Mud Monster

[@trevordelarosa3599]

More like just buy a glock

[@cwatson42785]

@@trevordelarosa3599 Too ugly. Plus plenty of better options out there just more expensive

[@trevordelarosa3599]

@@cwatson42785 I've seen glocks do what the competition can't and keep going. I've also owned a lot of the guns that people claim are better for one reason or another but they never measured up to any of my glocks

[@DamnManSam]

@@trevordelarosa3599The mud test king is the M&P 2.0 followed by the P320, and then the Glock…according to Garands Thumb test. It is 2024…there are guns as reliable as Glock everywhere.

[@dethtour]

​@@DamnManSam*more reliable

[@weilki451]

I felt like I was watching a lifetime movie that way you beat on her

[@doublel7337]

I just went back and watched the 21 second torture test on the Glock. You didn't throw the gun at steel or wood, no mud, only water and you shook it out much more than the VP9. Still as a VP9 owner, it is not very assuring to see the VP9 fail the water test.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+Whitey You do know I'm 47 years old and i've owned, used and carried Glocks since the mid-1990's -- long before there was a thing called KZbin.

[@angelocos1]

+Military Arms Channel I don't carry a VP9 or a Glock. They seem to be fine firearms. People seem to lose their shit anymore if one negative thing is said about a Glock. I watched a few Glock torture (with mud, dirt etc.) videos after this and they behaved pretty much the same as this VP9 did....they failed usually close to the first round. Some Glock videos didn't fail early. So it seems like it's very dependent on many factors. I'm no expert. But I still wouldn't be that leery of either of these companies products. Though I'm glad I don't carry these brands due to the large amount of crybaby owners they breed. That said, many modern firearms Glock, Sig, HK etc. seem to be very well built. I do give you credit for beating the shit out of your personal firearm though.

[@doublel7337]

+Military Arms Channel Mac, do you know I shot my first gun in 1959 ? We didn't even own a television, listened to Gunsmoke on the radio. I have owned several Glocks, still have a Gen4 Mod 23, which had the worst trigger I ever saw on a gun. You have to admit you did not throw the Glock at steel or wood like you did the VP9. go back and watch the 21 second video and see if you believe it is a fair comparison. I still like like ya Mac even though you're getting older. :)

[@doublel7337]

n300zx931 I understand what you are saying, but if you watch the 21 second Glock video, Mac really shakes the water out of the Glock. The two tests cannot be compared because the guns were treated differently. I am in no way saying this gun did not fail, but I believe a Glock would have as well, and I own them both.

[@doublel7337]

+n300zx931 I bought a new Gen4 Mod23, the trigger on that gun would not even reset without shoving it forward. That in itself is a failure in my book. It took a lot of polishing to get that trigger to be half as good as the VP9. I even had to file down the nub on the trigger bar which was supposed to help center the bar on the striker release, which it didn't. What a great piece of engineering that was to almost fix a problem by putting an annoying dent in the trigger bar. The striker release on the HK is smooth as silk and built like a watch. I am not going to throw my VP9 at a steel plate, or stomp it in wet sand. That is all I am going to say, I have a lot of respect for MAC, and I spoke my piece on one video I didn't agree on. He comes back at how old he is. I am old enough to be his dad, and I have shot more different types and brands than he has.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Bob Marvel recently told me that to prevent foreign matter from stopping your gun, you either make it very loose (i.e. 1911 GI / Glock) or you make it extremely tight (i.e. hand fit customs). My guess would be that this pistol hits the in-between mark. Someday when I can afford an Apple watch, I'll be wealthy enough to torture test a gun. ;-)

[@Rodgerdat]

+Justin Opinion LOL

[@thestig007]

+Justin Opinion Loose is the way to go. Can't believe I just said that, but when we're talking about guns that's the truth. AK-47, Glock, 1911... Loosey goosey.

[@FulgurInteritum]

+Justin Opinion The hammer fired HKs seem to do a lot better than the VP9. I say just stick with p30 and hk45, never liked strikers anyway.

[@starkicker5623]

+Justin Opinion 'shots fired' :P

[@fletchschubert5044]

How about a torture test of the HK P30sk?

[@chuckw5851]

If I had a Glock in the mud I would leave it there and go and get the HK.

[@xxOblivionxx]

😂 exactly

[@josephkepnes2639]

You were turned down by H&K that's why.

[@HughesEnterprises]

Did my own water torture test that's on my channel. Big suprise- It works flawlessly.

[@nirvana2197]

+Hughes Enterprises Just watched it and it puts this video's "tests" to shame. Great video!

[@tuberaider]

+Hughes Enterprises I'm still trying to reconcile how two tests, run under relatively similar conditions, can have such different results.

[@HughesEnterprises]

+tuberaider MAC and I have different views on lubrication and maintenance. We were also using different ammo. My gun also spent far more time in water rather than in sand/mud/trees. This is why people shouldn't ever jump to conclusions before doing their own research/ testing.

[@kmsharley75]

+Hughes Enterprises Interesting can you describe your different philosophies on maintenance and lubrication,or atleast your own philosophy?

[@HughesEnterprises]

+kmsharley75 I keep all of my guns in spotless working condition and heavily lubricated. On a long range day, I clean handguns after every 300 rounds are fired. If I only put 10-20 rounds through a gun it still gets field stripped, cleaned and lubricated at the end of the day. Carry guns get cleaned weekly whether they are fired or not. I use Hoppes solvent on all surfaces and barrel to remove old oil dirt and carbon. Wiped dry. Then all sliding/rotating/bearing surfaces get coiled with Mobil 1 full synthetic 15W-50 motor oil to a point where there is a visible tactile layer but not so much it will run off or pool. Nothing ever gets run dry or dirty and I almost never have malfunctions. I don't have dry sand where I live so grit attraction is a non-issue.

[@aviationthing345]

Seeing the same test accomplished with an HK USP, would be very interesting.

[@ABrocktastic]

+Raul Danger It could also go the other way. Most hammer fire guns do really meh in mud tests because mud clogs up where the hammer strikes dampening the strike.

[@larz456]

+Raul Danger Agreed! All of my guns have hammers. I have the SIG p938, the HK P30, and the CZ P09. All of them are extremely reliable. If grit were to prevent the hammer working in DA, you can simply pull the hammer back. If the obstruction prevented the hammer from hitting the pin, most likely you could visually inspect and remove with your hands. If a striker has an obstruction, you'll likely need to remove the slide or worse. The hammer fired pistols I'd never buy is the ones where the hammer is flat with the slide. If you can't thumb it, you lose one of its benefits. Btw, the CZ P09 can use an extended firing pin (CGW) with an 18lb hammer spring. You'll never fail to ignite the primer with that set up. Under rated, but amazingly accurate and reliable gun for any price range.

[@larz456]

I like the LEM too and was going to get one, but I already had a p30 and luckily a local gunsmith, Fred Hastings, got my DA to 8lbs and SA to 3lbs 14oz. It's a dream to shoot and very reliable.

[@larz456]

Very nice. Likewise, the reset is everything for me. All of my guns (except the SIG, but it does have Galloway trigger and spring) have had work and a very distinctive reset. What holster do you use for the USP? I went through a few of them for my HK, also had the same issue as the video as it has Trijicon HD, and finally settled on N82 Profesional. Very comfortable and has great retention.

[@retiredafce3373]

USP is a rugged pistol!

[@skraggybones]

I like your videos a lot, and watch pretty much all of them. And for the most part the things you do, and tests you perform i find to be quite valid. Dropping your gun in a struggle, or fight is definitely plausible, throwing it as hard as you can at trees, and steel plates, and then 50 feet in the air to demonstrate dropping it is a little outside the realm of an extreme scenario.

[@DomePiece123]

I appreciate the honesty in your videos Sturmgewehre. It takes a big man to admit that an implement he used and took pride in is perhaps not up to the task, and that he would be better replacing it. Thank you for that; most youtuber's would never do such a thing, and would perhaps edit it out or throw out the video entirely. The aforementioned reasons are why I have watched and will continue to watch your channel for the foreseeable future. Hooah.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+Jager Bomber I am not emotionally attached to any tool. Unlike some folks, I keep an open mind and if something doesn't work for me I ditch it and move on. The whole reason I've not shared my final thoughts on the VPP9 was because I was treating it like the Glocks I carried before it and that takes time. I've done all this to a Glock before. This was the final test for me before saying "the VP9 is the best striker fired gun on the market IMHO". I carried the gun for a year. I didn't clean it. I shot it suppressed. I ran every type of ammo I could through it. Now, I'm not so confident in the pistol and I believe a Glock is more robust. I will always share my results and opinions, either favorable or otherwise.

[@DomePiece123]

Again, thank you for that.

[@hag12100]

I wish I could see an out of the store torture test. Say, VP9 vs Glock 17, 19, Sig p226, 229and m11-A1, HK usp, and Beretta m9a1/a3.

[@hag12100]

+hag12100 And sig p320, Walther ppq and other high quality handguns used today by law enforcement, military.

[@msiley]

+hag12100 That would be expensive. :)

[@HughesEnterprises]

+joecugo almost all guns fail with coarse sand in the trigger mechanism. Some prevent it from entering (Glock) better than others, but it's unlikely to happen at best. Something a simple as grease lubrication like the manual recommends instead of CLP would have prevented most of the sand/water malfunctions If you demand a handgun that can deal with that, HK still makes the MK23 and USP .45

[@jessiereeves3513]

Hell throw the cz p07 in there i own one and never had a problem he can just do sub $700 guns

[@DeCavalcante]

my m11a1 is a beast. i cant fet it to fail u less it gets stuck inclay or bad ammo

[@patricktakada9551]

Hey can we expect videos on the HMG Sturmgewer when it comes out? I remember your old name, so I hope you live up to it :)

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+Patrick Takada I'm working on that. :)

[@patricktakada9551]

SWEET. I hope you torture test it, I don't think anyone has done a torture of the original (I certainly wouldn't want to see that lol) but a repro? Tre cool! Thanks for the reply!

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+T.M. I would love to touch it outside of a trade show. Sadly, I've tried getting one and it's not going to be easy.

[@matthewmccartt3272]

+Military Arms Channel Have you done a torture test on the H&K usp series and if not I think that would be cool to see.

[@ricks.1092]

+T.M. FNH and several other of the larger gun manufactures, don't provide T&E firearms to You Tube Channels. The reasons are too many channels make several mistakes. As well as, talking about something they have no idea about...hence many of the YT channels are amateurs. If wrong information is handed down. Or giving a gun a bad reputation...which is based off wrong info, or lack of info. This can hurt sales. So companies, rather play it safe. I know this, because one of my brothers is an executive V.P. at FNH. And my family has been manufacturing firearms for other companies for two generations. I personally don't work in the family business. Due to being a physician...all I ever wanted to do. However, I do have a stake in the family business and kept abreast of the business. Hope this helps you out.

[@reggieringgoldjr68]

I'm still Buying A VP9 FDE, Thanks MAC. Take care Brother.

[@travisp11]

Any possibility that the gun didn't fire due to hard primers used by ZQI?

[@Rico702Vegas]

And the fact it's literally freezing out, and zqi... Reliable ammo (consistency) loads?

[@stephentimme5994]

It should be called unrealistic torture test.

[@csharp57]

He threw the gun 13 times, 4 or 5 times at STEEL and finally banged it on wood four times and it fired. (Think about that for a while) Plastic vs Steel

[@jerridgossett62]

Watching you beat this VP9 up was hard to watch. I appreciate you showing us what Not to do. Still.. under any reasonable conditions I believe this HK will serve you well for years.

[@n4su5]

But can you do this to a p320? It seems the industry favorite has been Ronda Rousey'ied...

[@michaelpalazzotta1921]

+MJ H (M1ndv1s10n) Ronda Rousey'ied! Well played sir!

[@nERVEcenter117]

+MJ H (M1ndv1s10n) I'd like to see this done to a P250, I personally like the trigger on the 250 WAY more. Having a hammer is nice too.

[@xavierid]

+MJ H (M1ndv1s10n) I did it on my brother P320 compact on wet mud and water, it ran like a champ better than my G19! So impressed that i'm going to buy one.

[@n4su5]

James Bond \m/

[@hansblitz7770]

+nERVEcenter117 The trigger on that thing sucks.

[@KamionKing]

DalTech is the good shit! On top of them being our (Indiana's) local company, their stuff is worth every penny. Support them!

[@andrewc4422]

I love my VP9! This was so hard to watch lol I have never felt bad for a gun during this type of test before.

[@RdeneckTech]

Before I watch this, I have a VP40 that I left in a pool over night and went to the range to force a malfunction. I threw the gun(slide locked to rear), the ammo(cheap reloaded garbage), and the mags(before loading and after) into the dirt. I didn't clean or oil the firearm at all for the first 1000 rounds and got a stovepipe jam at around the 850 mark. Finally. Ok, on to your torture sir.

[@MrAlaskanIgloo]

After watching this video, I watched your Makarov torture test again. I forgot how well the Makarov held up. I guess that it shows that the most expensive firearms aren't necessarily the most reliable. Keep up the good work!

[@TwentyFortySeven]

Wow, seriously? Are you new to guns? Or better yet, life? So you think a car is more reliable when it costs more? How many things is that true for?

[@charlesbyrneShowComments4all]

A hammer fired pistol tends to be more reliable than a striker pistol, but that 12-15 lb trigger pull is a bear compared to a 5-6 lb striker trigger of the VP 9

[@nochitlins]

+Military Arms Channel The most surprising part was the water malfunction. Since you suggested it might not pass muster as a military sidearm, I'm wondering how an m9 would fare with the wet grit.

[@TNStories]

Here's just a quick, loose reference on malfunctions, in case anybody wants to skip through them: Stoppage 1: 2:59 by water Stoppage 2: 4:04 by mud Stoppage 3: 5:23 by water Stoppage 4: 6:30 by water Breakage 1: 13:22 magwell chipped from impacts Stoppage 5: 13:54 by impacts Breakage 2: 14:02 mag release broken by impacts Stoppage 6: 14:50 also by impacts Breakage 3: 15:10 grip insert breaking via impacts Stoppage 7: 6:19 by Jeep therapy

[@MachineGunMike]

I'm very surprised it did so bad. Thanks for the video!

[@HonestOutlawReviews]

Great video I did not expect it to have so many problems with a small amount of debris inside the pistol

[@markl.6466]

So many highly knowledgeable experts and special operators here, amazing. Pretty sure that unless your in an EXTREME combat situation your VP9 will be just fine. You hammer and abuse any gun to the extreme it is likely to fail, NO MATTER the manufacturer.

[@josephhollis6409]

Expect the Glock 19x, always going to run lol

[@PNW_Sportbike_Life]

@@josephhollis6409 Always huh?

[@RazgrizCypheR]

Except that Glocks perform better in these conditions, and I like the Vp9.

[@michaelsoto9232]

Do the same test to a Glock! I bet you wouldn't because they won't like you anymore.

[@srt4fan4u2]

he just did the glock test..go watch it and eat your words lol

[@michaelsoto9232]

Ok keyboard commander. It didn't beat the Rex zero 1 though LOL!

[@semperfi0106]

The H&K took a far worst beating than the Glock, no contest the H&K won hands down.....

[@delsage5952]

To all those who reply saying that he did the same test. He did NOT do the same test. The test on the Glock was a cake walk compared to the beating he did to the VP9.

[@GunJesus1776]

semperfi0106 Do you have video to prove that?

[@RobertSmith-le8wp]

I'm glad to see you do this test. I can say without a doubt the ZQI Ammo is not to blame. I've ran about 1500 rounds through various guns without a single issue. I love my VP9 and have never had a single issue, even through break in. I've ran my VP9 probably 2000 rounds without cleaning. Mind you I didn't do anything like this but I'm happy with the gun overall. I can tell you this for sure. I won't be selling my G17 or G19 anytime soon. I've heard someone mention they may have had these built by an outside vendor. I've had none of the fit and finish issues others have mentioned, that may be due to the build date. Mine was made in 2015 (BF) all the others I've seen were built in 2014 (BE) with all that said my SHTF handgun remains my Austrian made, Gen 3, G17 with factory mags.

[@1Bowtieluvr]

I don't own a H&K, but it pains me to see someone do this to a gun!

[@ScreamingSkullSaloon]

I am so glad I purchased a Walther PPQ M2 Navy SD back in 2013. I still like many H&K firearms but the VP9 is no longer among those. Thanks for the torture test MAC from one who is truly appreciative of these types of videos. Knowing that it is costly and painful to do such. Keep up the good work!

[@Crunk0091]

Haha I love how he's throwing his 700-800 dollar gun at wood and tossing it in the air, haha and trunking it over with his truck. I understand it's a torture test but damn.

[@josephkepnes2639]

He was turned down by H&K that's why.

[@stunod1479]

Tim loving all the HK fanatics (of which I am one) having to challenge your challenge to the VP9. Imitation is flattery. Now do the same to a G19!

[@flippedwalrus]

Comparing Glock to HK is like comparing a fucking potato to caviar.

[@knivessharp5041]

Is that because potatoes are awesome and caviar tastes like shit? I like both brands by the way. Just thrown off by your comparative analogy.

[@Adamorevo]

LMAO.....Best comparison yet.

[@screwhead6274]

Harry Sax lmao i have read a few of your dumb comments in this video. caviar is not shit, it is fish eggs.

[@screwhead6274]

Harry Sax lmao, you are such a troll. Grow up, and maybe read a book

[@screwhead6274]

Harry Sax you are a troll because of the amount of useless responses you've added to this video. and im already done fucking myself, nobody can do it like i can.

[@eddiet204]

Sacrilege! 6 years in the Corps and over 20 in law enforcement. My guns were never submerged in mud, sand, or snow. Dirt and sand took its toll even with it holstered. I spent the majority of NY time flushing the grit out with water followed by lube. The only 2 guns that I never experienced any failures in less than ideal conditions were my 870 and MP5. ros

[@anraegodley-cooper6321]

SEMPER FI MARINE

[@pichanthaboury592]

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[@aj00311]

Great video Mac, but do you think the vp9 would have faired better if you had saved the wet sand test for last? It seemed like that effected it in all other tests.

[@stefal22]

Mac you can take your vp9 and put it up yours and then see if it still works

[@jonathanfmarin]

I love your reviews.. but this is the most non-scientific review I have ever seen. I am a little shocked. I am a glock fanboy but I have a vp9 and have run about 3500 rounds through it. Most impressive out of the box pistol under 1k I have ever fired. I have used it in USPSA - steel and rigorous range practice. Bullet for bullet this weapon has out -performed my g-17 - in accuracy, speed and reliability. All the damage you did to the gun did not cause it to fail. You broke it deliberately and it still worked. In fact every HK I have ever owned has the same paddle safety and they work like a jet and the best part is you had one left after the offhand one broke. If you are down range and you have a safety breaking because of the fight you're in - you brought the wrong gun to the fight and are screwed anyway. Those parts can be replaced when you get to the rear. My glocks have spring issues all the time and often fail to go into battery after a hard day at the range. Although I don't have a supressor for the vp9 I am pretty sure you can retro fit the recoil spring to fix the blowback issue created with a supressor. Glocks work out of the box with supressors because the recoil springs are too heavy to begin with and cause the barrel to nose dive under rapid fire. Is that a failure? I like what you do and I like your work - Just not this video.

[@MrCanyons]

you have no idea what you even saying sir.. I believe you confused your self .. :)

[@k-pak6257]

@@MrCanyons Lemme dumb it down for you, he said HK is better than Glock.

[@MrCanyons]

King Kent no one is speaking to you

[@k-pak6257]

@@MrCanyons and he wasnt speaking to you either!

[@jivy_league9855]

Very insightful thank you

[@FAMILYMANdoubleOH7]

Really enjoyed your test MAC.. Been watching your channel for a few years now. You're the best in the business!

[@colt8358]

Most of us watching this can't afford to go out and run these kind of test so i would like to thank you for going the extra mile and putting this out to the public.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+Richard Lincicome Thanks for watching the channel.

[@k-pak6257]

Here is how the pistol you have or want will perform in a way that it will never have to.

[@droddy2hottie]

Hey Tim, I'm glad to see someone do a pretty hard test on the VP9 and finally say the magical words "It's not as reliable as a Glock". That being said, I'd gladly take the easier shootability and increased accuracy over the ability to use my pistol as a shovel any day of the week. I shared this video on Facebook and left a longer response to this video there. Keep up the good work brother, S/F

[@jc-vc7xq]

In the late 90"s a friend and I ran the same type of tests on an H&K USP 45 with very similar results. The gun just basically quit very early with a lot of the same issues. I went back to my g17 for carry.

[@trentmclellan1037]

Glock are literally under HK in terms of reliability

[@jc-vc7xq]

@@trentmclellan1037 don’t see how you can say that with a straight face.

[@hansblitz7770]

MAC switches carry pieces a lot. Remember when he went to this because Gloved hands are a problem for small trigger guards? What fad gun will he pick next? SigP320 is my guess.

[@TwentyFortySeven]

He's an idiot.

[@hansblitz7770]

TwentyFortySeven Well, I wouldn't go that far. He just loves guns too much to stick with something. "Grass is always greener on the other side" mentality.

[@TwentyFortySeven]

+Hans Blitz That's fine when you talk about just ownership. But a carry gun? It's very dumb. The VP9 is a new model gun. You should expect kinks, even though it's based on P30. For him to care about so-called ultra reliability, yet choose a new production gun is idiotic. And to test on things, like water, it never made claims on makes him even more idiotic.

[@hansblitz7770]

TwentyFortySeven MAC just gets bored with whatever he carries. It can't just be a tool to do a job when collecting guns is more of a hobby than shooting them.

[@CN073]

+Hans Blitz If I owned a gun shop I wouldn't carry just one pistol either :P

[@WOLFEASOC]

Hey MAC, spoke to HK today and asked them about the "water" issue and other issues you've discovered and asked if they had plans to address them. The guy said he wasn't aware so I explained that if the gun is submerged in water it fails to fire. (FYSA I've replicated your findings) His response: "Do you guys swim with your guns a lot?" That's all I needed to know. Shit canning all my HKs based on that statement alone. Speaks volumes to their attitude towards their customers. Or in my case, former customers. Thanks for what you do. Keep fighting the good fight.

[@mnrodriguez]

Have you seen videos now showing the opposite about the VP9? I can't believe people own firearms and believe this internet crap! It all depends on where the dirt sits and if the water have an effect on the round itself!

[@845ToastT]

This makes me realize how impressive the Makarov was.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+845ToastT I could *NOT* kill that thing.

[@Eudolus]

+Military Arms Channel in Soviet Russia, gun breaks you sorry i just had to

[@Tyrineal]

I have a USP and A VP9, both of which I have dropped in muddy water accidentally and my VP9 did exactly what happened here, furthermore the mag release also broke off when I did that as well. My USP however worked perfectly fine no issues, nearly 2,500 rounds and still going strong

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

Where's the torture test on the Apple watch? But seriously, can you find out what official tests the military does to weapons and simulate that for handguns and rifles?

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

I thought H&K would definitely have made a far more rugged product. I'm surprised as well it wouldn't stand up to those minor complications.

[@TheTyrial86]

+Atlanta Light Check out what CZ does to their p07 and p09 series. Looks damn good.

[@csgresendes]

+TheTyrial86 CZ p07 & p09 are very underrated!

[@TheTyrial86]

Christopher Resendes So true, I have a feeling that if there was a torture test on youtube people would be surprised.

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

+TheTyrial86 I like that CZ P09, a lot. Only thing it needs is night sights. 19 round magazine, 1911 look, just sexy. It's an honor to be shot with that.

[@YZFoFittie]

Throws plastic gun like a ninja star at hardened armor plate steel, gets surprised plastic breaks....LMFAO

[@trezhan]

I love my VP9 and enjoyed this test. It will not change my opinion of the firearm as I am not tossing the thing in water or sand as most people do not do that. But the test does a great job of displaying why this is not a combat handgun. Keep the content coming!!!

[@Sheild_against_the_wicked556]

I reserve the right to be wrong, but I cannot count how many combat vets I've heard say that all of these torture tests are extreme versions of the environment being simulated. Do guns get dirty and fail? Yes. But it's much more uncommon than you think and never this extreme, as well as them saying that no one picks it up and doesn't at least douse it with a little water if necessary. I've also never really heard of ANYONE throwing the gun around either. These tests are really designed to make the gun fail. How much can it take, but this is extreme and for the most part, unrealistic. But I could be wrong.

[@MsAsmodious]

MAC, the king of torture testing.

[@SweetHere111]

So would the PPQ now be a better option?

[@whsl824]

Thanks for the informative vid. I have one myself but carry a G19. Still love my VP9 even after this vid. Great videos sir!

[@jesusknight72]

"I'm skeptical about these mag releases" Yeah, me too......especially after I bounce it off a tree three times, smash it against several metal plates and throw it up in the air. I find it hard to believe that this guy ever held this pistol in ANY kind of high regard or treated it well. Why would I buy a great gun like an HK and just proceed to destroy it for a video?

[@Disirregardless]

I'd be curious to see how an HK p30 would do. Ever since the vp9 came out some people felt the build quality felt different from the other HK pistols and speculated that the production was done in a different facility

[@Ghost.uppercut]

It is simple. This guy doesn't lube his guns. I wouldn't be surprised if he went into this test without oiling the gun at all.

[@mastershooter1533]

I was impressed the gun worked at all after all that. Great video.

[@Mrgunsngear]

Certainly an entertaining video!

[@WombatAnnihilator]

to say the least...

[@6tuf85dyfu]

+Mrgunsngear Channel and thats about all it was, entertainment. The gun works fine unless you're attacked by AR500 steel plates. Go figure.

[@Pabloperes675]

Indeed.

[@bloodydavid]

i'm wondering how a hk mk 23 would do or any of the usp family. because they are in military service

[@maybenot5528]

Come on really? No firearm is going to go through that.

[@JanoBanano1996]

But many that went through such tests actually survived 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Tpeters819]

Glock will!

[@Tpeters819]

Jon Campo I think you should watch some more of Macs videos.

[@shane220222]

wow.... i was heart set on this gun before i seen the review.. i mean it should have dont much better so many failures. thanks for these vids you do a great service to the firearms onwers and in my opinion of the best channels on youtube. i can tell your honest and that is what makes this channel most valuable. thanks

[@TrailsNThings]

I assure you, the VP9 is a quality firearm and it can survive mud and grit and still function. Do not miss out on owning a great firearm because of 1 video. Check out the test on Hughes Enterprises channel. I own various makes and models of firearms and trust me, the VP9 carries as much respect as my Glocks and SIG.

[@shane220222]

man i trust his vids he has always told us right. maybe ill watch some more but. i was not impressed.

[@Adamorevo]

I almost missed out. Glad I took the step.

[@jasonmiller7637]

Just got my vp9 and had a failure to extract after about 500 rounds - not cool.

[@neilc8574]

I'm not here to knock this test, but I have put my own VP9 through a torture test (dirt and debris after every 3 mags and 2 local stream dippings while full of debris) and it only had a single failure to go into battery out of the 450 rounds I had on me. It never had a trigger malfunction. Maybe when I have the patients to detail clean it again, I'll record and post the next test. Still enjoy the channel 👍

[@Lionaljohn]

Alright so, I own the following firearms. VP9, Glock 21, Glock 43, Glock 43, Glock 26, Glock 17. I have fired the VP9 the most. It has never failed to eject, fire, or anything. I just took the Glock 43 out today for the first time, and it failed to eject the last spent cartridge with the first magazine I put into it. The Glock fanboys can say all they want that they are the most reliable. I say that out of all of my glocks, my VP9 has worked flawlessly without one failure after 500 rounds. Every Glock I have mentioned above (with the sole exception being the Glock 21) has had at least one failure each and I have owned the VP9 longer then any of them. While I like glocks for the price, they are ugly, and in my experience less reliable then an H&K.

[@Tony-Rinaldo]

Madmartigan Brunton you think 500 rounds is a lot?

[@Lionaljohn]

Bozey Sig I would say 500 rounds is an acceptable number as far as reliability is concerned.

[@Ohsnapzdawg]

Madmartigan Brunton do 500 without cleaning at least. I put a little over 2000 rds through my Springfield xd 9mm without cleaning it, and it ran great.

[@The-Homecook-0000]

Siren James just Remeber when a Glock failed it was either the ammo or the shooter limp wristing it....I've heard more shit from people when a Glock jams ....My Walther ppq never failed me yet ...

[@jesusknight72]

I own Glocks and HKs and they both are great guns. Any gun can fail. They're man made. I get sick of the "I hate Glocks" and "I hate HK". They're both good guns. My advice is to fight the urge to throw your gun against a tree.

[@evilvicious]

@ 12:20 a yetti having fun in its narutal habitat hahaha, thanks a bunch for the test. Love the channel.

[@flippedwalrus]

Because as a carry gun you definitely stomp it into the mud prior to firing it.

[@tuck234]

Check out his newer videos. He is gonna re-do the VP9 test with a new test format. He listened to all the criticism and decided that it was not a good test. The new test format is quite fair and realistic in the sense of our use of handguns.

[@GMelton]

I wasn't impressed with the VP9 when I shot it. The Top of the slide guard was hitting my hand each shot and whether it was inconsistent range ammo or a dirty pistol the recoil force I found to be inconsistent when compared to shooting a Glock 17 or my Springfield XDm. I would like to see how an XDM would hold up to a similar torture test. The heavier slide on the XDm I found reduces recoil.

[@nirvana2197]

+Photo Guy 2013 Slide guard? Never heard of one of those before

[@GMelton]

+Michael M I mean the bottom piece that curves up above the grip just under the Back of the slide.

[@nirvana2197]

+Photo Guy 2013 The VP9 has quite a bit of space between the top of the grip for your hand and the actual slide compared to something like a Glock or XD. I find it strange you wouldn't have the same issue with those as well

[@GMelton]

+Michael M It's also my grip, I have smaller hands and so it's easier for me to control the Recoil on the other two.

[@marcppparis]

Anybody want to buy a VP9 ... Slightly used

[@jesusknight72]

If this video skews your opinion then you have bigger problems then your VP9.

[@charlesbyrneShowComments4all]

thedudepdx absolutely do you have one? Or are you talking about the one he ran over?

[@irshadullah432]

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[@Bbzije1]

Solid torture test. Im curious to see the other hk products go through your brutal testing methods.

[@MrFoxSpartan]

Can you re-do the same test to Glock17? I hardly doubt that Glock's soft plastic frame woud survive hitting on a steel plate or get run-over by a truck. Also, getting dirt to trigger mechanism to a glock also causes trigger reset problems. So please be fair and show that to everybody.

[@williamfoote1609]

I actually agree with you on that. I would like to see which one really does fair better to help me make a decision on whether to sell or trade the VP9 for a Glock.

[@mjchoosak]

Is there a test like this on the P30 model?

[@Harkonnen33778]

I believe HK came out after this test stating the VP's are not built or meant for military/combat use. I am sure it will work fine for a carry piece I just wouldn't go to war with it.

[@richardkim4895]

excellent impartial review...changed my mind on this purchase. .will be sticking with my p226

[@travispowell2471]

I think people kinda missed the point here. Once it failed the simple water and mud test he knew right then he was soo done with this pistol. After that he was just taking his frustration out on how badly if let him down. I would be pissed too if I paid a premium for a H&K and then it performs like that.

[@agipesr]

You were having to much fun beating up the VP9!

[@Morrison9155]

MAC I can't believe you traded the Submariner for an apple watch 😞 I'm disappointed.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

+Alex Morrison I still have the Sub... I was tempted because of the functionality.

[@Morrison9155]

+Military Arms Channel how very Colion Noir of you lol

[@ventroid4473]

+Alex Morrison haha true

[@alaskafender]

+Alex Morrison I thought the same haha. I'm hoping he still has it tucked away somewhere :D

[@RaginCajun77346]

Well after weeks of research and narrowing my choice to the P320 and the VP9, watched this video yesterday and admit it gave me pause. But general overall positive reviews over the past two weeks, realizing that I'm not likely to hit mud and leaves in my house or the range and the overall happiness after putting another 100 rounds through one today I closed the deal on an LE model.

[@FISHINWITHDYNAMITE1]

all roads lead back to the G19

[@sunsniper_0269]

everyone who votes glocks and all these other ''cheapie'' handguns over HK. probabaly just cant afford an HK): or never had the option to shoot one imo ): ...how about we look at it in this regard, both companies decide to sell there pistols all at the same price, and i can assure you that everyone that has common sense will grab an HK

[@NavyCuda]

@19:11 a large scuff is visible that removed material from the trigger well. It is likely the magazine release cracked and moved away from whatever caused that scuff.

[@jdtisme80]

Wow. I've looked through your torture test videos. You've never been so hard on a pistol until this VP9. You previously spent an entire 22 seconds water testing a Glock. I understand your desire to put your daily carry gun through hell to see what might stop it. Unfortunately you're tests are a joke. Who are you getting into a fight with in the middle of the muddy woods? Who is running over your carry gun without it (hopefully) being attached to you? The tests you put the gun through that you claim are less severe than what the military use are hopelessly wrong and off base. I love your channel and will continue to watch it but this video is garbage and it makes me question your judgement in future reviews.

[@kylemaducdoc]

hmm but also.. how in the heck are you also so sure that you AREN'T gonna have a situation in muddy areas and in the woods? I think that this is called a torture test because you have to subject the gun in the harshest conditions possible and hope it still works perfectly or near it (cause isn't that the point?) lol if you're trying to say that you want to test guns less harshly than this then it's kind of like saying you want less of a quality result in a gun since it hadn't been REALLY tested.. especially the gun being an Hk...that's why it's called torture test because you want to see how far this gun would go.. and through out the whole video I don't see anything that seems far fetched.. I mean isn't it possible to have a fight in the mud where you're holding your gun and you drop it in the mud where it gets gunk and shit in it? you gotta go extreme on your situations if you wanna have a TRUE test. or else what the fuck right?

[@kylemaducdoc]

i don't see anything off base as to how you claim it .. ofcourse military trials are very standard and different still.. but like saying that a gun test in the mud and woods and gunk? how the heck is that far fetched? I don't even see anything impossible about situations.. you could be in any if you're in trouble or of you're in a fight.

[@CelticsCartel]

He did the same thing to the Makarov and it kept firing.

[@jesusknight72]

It doesn't matter. I own 2 Glocks and if i throw them in the mud and stomp on them they may not work right. There have been Glocks that fail in tests depending on the test.

[@charlesbyrneShowComments4all]

Black jacks armory I have a Makarov. It's hammer fired with a 15 pound pull. I haven't watched the video, but I don't recall any Makarov that is striker fired. Unless he cocked the trigger then packed the strike area with mud the Makarov should go bang. I would assume that it could probably shoot a 9x18 steel case ammo (NATO?) With a heavy spring. Whereas a 5 lb striker pistol with NATO rounds? I'm assuming since that wasn't his carry that it was new so the recoil spring was new? I dunno there's just conflicting reports on this. My Glock 19 failed a water test, but they have marine cups. It was disappointing that it failed water test, but I have seen other water & mud tests that vp9 passed. Still glad to have this perspective, but this is in no way a test that can be replicated in the exact manner and I won't be throwing any of my pistols at steel targets.

[@ironsights7028]

hk should have made those mag release paddles out of steel. and did your opinion on the gun change after these tests?

[@Guitarfollower22]

The is the worst torture test video I have ever seen. When in hell would you continuously whip the gun at tress and steel plates. There are better (more realistic scenarios) torture test videos by other VP9 owners.

[@screwhead6274]

Guitarfollower22 i tried to smoosh the spider in your avatar, thought it was under my lifeproof. you got me... rip

[@thiccviener825]

You obviously have an vp9

[@cwatson42785]

@@thiccviener825 I love when the fanboys get emotional about their guns lol

[@nightraid79]

You had problems running it suppressed? I have a SilencerCo barrel on mine with a couple thousand rounds through it suppressed without one failure.

[@carlosm305]

Back to your Glock 19! 😁

[@armedrebellion47]

you got that RIGHT!!!!

[@carlosm305]

+armedrebellion47 As much as I've tried to hate the G19 and try other handguns, I've realized there's no other platform I can shoot as well.

[@armedrebellion47]

+Carlos Morales absolutely

[@jdirt1982]

FUCK I sold my glock to get a vp 9 now I wonder if its a hi point. :(.

[@colinsutter369]

Great review MAC. It is kind of a shame that it failed like that. I do not know what all these people are complaining about, have they never watched a Glock Torture test? Its insane what you can do that that gun. Good work!!! People get mad when they see things before their very eyes lol

[@MBerish]

And this is when I lost all respect and credibility for MAC

[@dowdawg9165]

This was a great video!! I like your vids on guns people can afford or are more likely to buy!! Im a gun nut stretching back to the 70"s. The rifles just seem to all melt together and become more tedious. I like them but would love to see more real world test and guns that get used!! You are good enough that your work can be considered documentaries more than just videos!! I know you are a military arms channel and i love your work dont get me wrong, variety sometimes just keeps you coming back for more!! You are without a doubt one of the most talented guys on youtube!!!

[@TCArmory]

I wouldn't carry that gun. Multiple parts breakages, stoppages from simple dirt and water tests, and it's too sensitive to out of battery malfunctions. I discovered CZ guns a year or two ago and I've been more satisfied with those pistols than Glocks, Sig's, M&P's, HK, you name it.

[@seraph1926]

Brother I watch your CZ P-01 video at least twice a day.. Think I'm going to grab one of those.

[@RealEnglishNow]

I fired this gun with the Osprey 45 suppressor and it worked just fine - no hang ups so when you mention that the VP9 isn't suppressor friendly it must be dependent on the can.

[@Adamorevo]

+Gahechi Esmichi I was wondering if it would work successfully on a VP9 or P2000sk 9mm.

[@RealEnglishNow]

Charles Darwin wonder no more! The Osprey 45 was just fine on the VP9 - I have the P2000SK but in .40 but unfortunately its not a threaded barrel so I cannot test.

[@johnwizeman3894]

Let's be honest, you did this just so you could get a new carry gun didn't you? ;-)

[@jonathanlangford4291]

I did similar tests (minus the car)to a Shield in .40 S&W. The gun ran through it all 100%. I used water, pudding, salt, and threw it up high into the air to land on asphalt. The drop safety always worked.

[@armedrebellion47]

ol lord these H&k fan boy's aren't going too like this one😩😩😭😰 GLOCK PERFECTION😀😉

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

Glock 17 and an extra magazine all day.

[@jonc151]

+armedrebellion47 every gun fails eventually

[@armedrebellion47]

+jonc151 that maybe true but with all means H&k guns aren't cheap as a consumer when you go out an purchase a firearm with your hard earned dollar's you expect the gun too funtion. me personally i think their overpriced and never marketed thier products for the average consumer too afford. That said its probably the reason why they're in financial trouble and the lack of government and military contracts

[@jonc151]

+armedrebellion47 VP9 is 500 bucks. as expensive as the average glock. perhaps this is a result of the inexpensive nature of the VP9

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

+jonc151 True, but Glock has a history of producing guns that are very reliable, and a lot of people has posted videos of Glock guns being put through (and most of the time surviving) ridiculous torture tests. Not much science going on in these tests, but still interesting results. So is Glock perfect? No. Are they making the best gun available? Impossible to say really as it depends on the criteria used and personal preferences. Are they good compromises? Yes, undoubtedly. You can find a Glock that will suit almost any situation where you want or need a handgun, and it will be reliable and easy to maintain. So am I a Glocktard? No not really. I'm just willing to admit that Glock has a good product and even though I personally might prefer some other gun I wouldn't complain if I was handed a Glock.

[@jivy_league9855]

I literally checked the date on this video to see when it was uploaded because I thought it was an april fools joke. Lol

[@dantecifelli4550]

To be fair, this is a similar torture test to what Eric over at Iraqivet8888 did to the sccy pistol, which is a cheaper pistol, and it surpassed the VP9.

[@Mikey6048]

HKParts.Net makes a new backplate that is solid instead of the factory open design that allows you to see if the firearm is loaded. I'd like to see the VP9 go through the elements test with the new backplate. I believe it would improve the overall performance of the pistol regarding foreign matter introduced into the striker channel. I have a couple on mine, especially my SK. It helps to keep lint and fabric fuzz out of the gun.

[@maybenot5528]

You sold out man. That's not a realistic review. Go to the back of the line.

[@kevinkoeven5302]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIDYZo19m8ynjM0 He clearly states this at the beginning.

[@jesusknight72]

He SAYS that but doesn't give you any realistic situations to compare. Then at the end of the test he says the gun has always been reliable at extreme normal conditions like going to the range.....That's not the only NORMAL condition. Just drop it on concrete, kick it around a couple times. These are normal things you might see in a gun fight, NOT bludgeoning a tree with it and throwing it against metal plates and launching it into orbit. This video is not a "should I carry this or not?" video.

[@Mullgen]

Would you ever consider doing a torture test on a Vz2008? There isn't really a remotely proper one, like you perform, on youtube that I could find. I would be very interested to see how it compares to the AK and AR platforms.