You make it look sooo easy... But... I'm here to tell those of you who are watching-this man is SKILLED! Painting is 90% the painter and his skill, 8% prep, and 2% the gun.. What I'm finding lately on youtube is everyone believes it's 90% the gun.... NOPE.. WRONG... You can buy the best paint gun available but it won't fill the "skills" gap and your paint will look like POO.. It's not a problem as long as you don't mind sanding EVERY coat you put down from primer, to base, to the clear, and then polishing after that.. .EVERY coat you put down is going to require covering every square inch with multiple grades of sand paper, or polishing/buffing pads, and other chemicals... unless you have skills like Garage Noise.. Which I do not. I bought a set of replacement mirrors for my truck and am trying to paint them body color to match. Thank GOD they are small parts (though they do have a lot of angles to them) because I'm having to sand every single coat I apply in an attempt to get everything as flat as possible so it does not look like a 3rd grader painted them with a brush and house paint straight from the can. I have the SprayIt 33500 kit which is supposed to be a decent LVLP gun.. Figuring out those settings though... getting the fan, volume, and air pressure adjusted right, and then the distance from the panel, and the speed at which you move, and the over-lap... These are things ONLY professionals know and understand. Someone should make more videos on what to do AFTER a novice like me has screwed the pooch.. Literally step-by-step instructions for fixing the disasters we create.. These videos would get a lot of likes because after watching videos like this one, and then going out in my garage and DESTROYING everything in sight with globs of paint, and over-spray.. I'm not putting down orange peel-I'm putting down the entire damn orange! I'm the golf ball painter because everything I put paint on looks like a golf ball! For those of you who have not held a paint gun in your hand... imagine trying to paint the plastic head of a push pin with a FIRE HOSE attached to a fire hydrant! That's about the best way I can explain it. When you pull that trigger-you are fogging everything within a 10 foot radius! You better have it all worked out BEFORE you pull that trigger because once the paint starts flowing, it's OH F'***! instantly... Keep up the great work. Videos like this inspire me to go out to my garage and throw paint on everything that is not protected. Maybe one day I'll be able to put down a SINGLE coat that does not require hours of sanding... One day.. Until then I promise I will keep watching in the hopes that all the good information you are sharing will magically flow into me. I'm envious! Subscribed and liked!
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Thank so much for all the kind words. Just like anything else it takes practice and mistakes to get good. My hope is at least to give good experienced direction to help minimize mistakes. Thanks for the great comment and keep painting with that firehose until you get under control. You got it brother!
@richie928511 ай бұрын
Just watched ur video I wanna subscribe, how do I join. Thanks R. Cannata
@Go6911 ай бұрын
@@richie9285 at the bottom of the viewing panel there is a BLACK SUBSCRIBE button you can click on to get more content from this poster. You replied to my comment so I got the notice! You should also click the THUMBS UP or LIKE button so that he gets more revenue (potentially!).
@shiroshine72275 ай бұрын
Absolutely 💯. The best advice I can give personally is light coats LOTS of light coats. Dont be discouraged to resend and do again. It's really an art. Why body work is big bucks.
@ANPennsylvaniaАй бұрын
It’s hard, but it’s very, very far from impossible. Ive done a ton of hobbies and have never seen one gate kept as bad as auto body. Don’t be discouraged and just do it. Every one of your auto body shops will give you junk to practice on.
@onespeedlite Жыл бұрын
This is a very educational video. I never realized the amount of work that is involved in fixing what appeared to be a "minor" job to an amateur. After watching this video, you really appreciate the skills, dedication, and experience of these professionals.
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Thank you, it is eye opening if your not familiar with what it takes. Appreciate your comment and support!
@robertgill44824 күн бұрын
Just like cutting butter! Great video. As a DIY’er something like this I would hire it done. There are way too many pros out there that work from home for CA$H. Thank you for the schooling, always great too know how processes one goes through to justify costs. 👍🏻✅
@GarageNoise24 күн бұрын
Appreciate the comment and support brother!
@geoffreyharris5931 Жыл бұрын
Ok. This was very well thought out, smartly executed. I like the idea of using the guide paint early on to highlight any imperfections that may need to be sanded out and/or filled first.
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@rarefruit2320 Жыл бұрын
This is also a great video to help people understand why good paint and body work is so expressive. Pretty cool to see you answering so many questions in the comments. Subscription and 👍 definitely earned!
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@shawdewson Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels for car painting. Great tips/techniques for us home garage guys.
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
@@shawdewson appreciate that brother!
@vanjaba9033 Жыл бұрын
Its plastic primer or acryil primer
@walterleiva127832 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Yw! Appreciate the support
@tabasamashfaq16802 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always appreciated and so informative
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Thank's brother!appreciate the support!
@micahbednarczyk7597 Жыл бұрын
This is such an awesome video so much information and explained it at such an awesome pace thank you I’m 19 and you are helping me save a lot of money on my 2015 Camaro ss bumper thanks man!🤘🏼
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@annamarie-x2z6 ай бұрын
how’d it go?
@hds181Ай бұрын
Excellent video, all meat and no filler. Very informative, thank you. You have a new subscriber.
@rogeryanez81072 жыл бұрын
Awesome work brother, Love the content and explanations as you move along👍
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it brother! Try to keep it as simple and straightforward as possible.
@spellbreaker6609 Жыл бұрын
how much for something like that to be done?
@jaimedpcaus110 ай бұрын
This fix looks terrific! 😊
@gregjohnson36192 жыл бұрын
I have learned so much from you. Your videos are informative and well organized. Thanks for helping to educate us do-it-yourselfers. I notice in many of your videos you use 70% isopropyl alcohol sometimes and wax/grease remover other times. Are they interchangeable? Under what cases do you use one versus the other?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the comment! Thank's for supporting the channel! I started using isopropyl alcohol because it's helpinh to eliminate static. I like to use both but not always. They both work fine but the alcohol can be used over raw plastic and body filler so it's a bit more versatile.
@buyastyle2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge as always. Just wanted to suggest that the only thing that your videos are lacking are a complete final image so people can see how it looks.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Your right, appreciate the comment and support!
@muddboss33092 жыл бұрын
love these excellent quick repair guides you make for us... keep up the hard work 💪 👏
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Thank's brother, appreciate your support!
@Александр-п9ф7ц2 жыл бұрын
@@GarageNoise это быстрый ремонт ? Я не вижу смысла в такой работе , можно все это очень быстро сделать и без шпатлёвки , 120 180 240 320 все снять до голого пластика и загрунтовать w/w
@tacobelltacos8 ай бұрын
Garage noise. I have a question I need to fix a 2022 dodge Cummings back bumber. It has some scratches on the back bumber I want to fix it. Do I do the same steps as you are doing if it's a metal bumber
@GarageNoise8 ай бұрын
Yes but if you break thru to bare metal you need to use a direct to metal prime or a metal prep before primer
@nathanield.45275 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great teaching video. In this video you use icing for the filler, but I’ve seen you use Upol lightweight gold in another video. Is icing used for plastic and lightweight gold for metal surfaces. Also, can you recommend a hardener for the icing and lightweight gold?
@davidkendall1614 Жыл бұрын
Great attention to detail = great result. Thanks for the tutorial. 👍
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it! Thank's for the support!
@AnthonyTufano-wt2bt8 ай бұрын
Chris, I appreciate your videos and sharing your knowledge of body work and painting so much. Anytime I need to look up something about a repair or painting I make sure to put “Garage Noise” in the search bar first. So I’m wondering if you can help me out with a little bit of your expertise here. I am currently doing the same project on my GoManGo Dodge Ram Daytonas front bumper. I own a Devilbiss GPG 905012 Gravity HVLP gun and I had paint mixed up by a local auto shop. Thing is the compressor is at my fathers house and I didn’t watch this video before I started messing with the bumper. I’ve done a complete repair on my rear bumper and I sprayed my flares all with aerosol cans last spring and I am yet to have any paint problems. I decided to spray a can of rustoleum high build primer on my bumper to fill the Little Rock chips and scratches and I was able to smooth most it it out. However I noticed that I keep easily burning through the primer in areas. Then I watched this video and I feel like an idiot. I just purchased some icing and the upol primer that you used in this video. In your expert oppinion, should I just take all the primer off and start from the beginning again? Also, I wet sand everything and I noticed you don’t, do you think that’s causing an adhesion problem? I’ve got a million questions for you but I’ll try to just get a little of your knowledge at a time haha. Thanks man, finally subscribed, first KZbin subscription!
@GarageNoise8 ай бұрын
Awesome brother appreciate the comment and support. I don't thin you need to strip of the primer you sprayed. However when you apply the upol primer start with a light coat. If you put it on heavy to start with you my have a chemical reaction between the 1k primer and the upol. You won't have an adhesion problem, but build up the upol primer gradually and you'll be good.
@AnthonyTufano-wt2bt8 ай бұрын
Big thanks man, I will definitely heed your advice. You’re very inspirational, love your videos, keep up the great work!
@moisesgovea60282 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’ve learned a lot from this channel
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment and the support!
@SooperKewl10 ай бұрын
If you're wondering why painting an entire car costs what it costs, here's your answer.
@clutch_era Жыл бұрын
The filler you use for the bumper is different than the one you use for metal parts like a hood ,door?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Yes you can use a flexible filler on bumpers. In most case this is what I use great product and reasonably priced. amzn.to/46Yl1Bz
@89notch Жыл бұрын
Did you put any adhesion promoter on the bare plastic areas? If not do you think that will affect the paint long term?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
If I'm painting a raw plastic bumper I'll use adhesion promoter. If I'm doing a repair and sanding the plastic and it's a small area I won't use it. I've never had a problem but it certainly wouldn't hurt anything to use it. Appreciate the comment and support!
@barbarah.5877 Жыл бұрын
Hi The paint spray is smooth. Is 1.4 mm or 1.3 mm nozzle is better for a newbie?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
I believe 1.3 is a better all around size. 1.4 is just going to apply the material faster, but for a newbie can result in orange peel or runs. There's other variables but in general start with 1.3 for base and clear
@rickss6921 күн бұрын
Do you bother with a flex agent on those plastic bumpers?
@jamesmarques72452 жыл бұрын
I use U-pol gold body filler and honey to make spot putty. I have no more shrinkage or bleeding in the paint.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Good to know, I plan on testing that upol gold. I have to say I'm sold on the upol 2k primer and clear coat. great stuff! Appreciate the comment and support!
@lindz1510742 жыл бұрын
Honey?
@christopher5024 Жыл бұрын
if i have an 8 gallon compressor do you think i need a specific spray gun or any would be okay? or maybe a bigger compressor?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Probably a bigger compressor or a touch up gun might work with that compressor.
@luciareina5915 Жыл бұрын
Great work! Since I don't have a garage, much less the tools or slightest experience doing any of this, would you kindly tell me the average amount an auto body shop would charge for what you did? Thank you for such good video.
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
About 4-500
@Alex-lu6hr Жыл бұрын
gonna fix my bumper on my 05 Acura tl this weekend
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@harrydemetro1935 Жыл бұрын
So I have a question I don’t normally use a gun I mostly use cans how can I blend in the area with out paint the whole part like say a truck bed I don’t want to have to paint the whole thing just to repair a small dent or scratch
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Clearing the whole panel is the best option a clearcoat blend will fail. It can be done, but just know you will at some point be able to see that blend. Sometimes you can hide the blend in a small area but that will be difficult on a bedside. I do have a video on blending clearcoat on a bumper. The same process applies kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWPdlntnZ654eaM
@jimfeaster48372 жыл бұрын
Great lesson enjoy !
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Thank's brother, appreciate your support!
@whydontmynameswork10 ай бұрын
Looked in the description for info on your electric vacuum DA and there’s no info there. Can you point me in the right direction? I unfortunately have too small of a compressor to make air sanding practical so I think this is a great alternative. Thanks in advance!
@GarageNoise10 ай бұрын
Here's the link amzn.to/3UOIsdj
@M99pt2 жыл бұрын
Is possible to use wet on wet filler to cover that putty paches and do like this : Wet on wet filler(whitout sanding) ,wait 20 30 minutes and apply basecoat and after clear?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
I don't use wet on wet but I don't think it's designed to fill chips or imperfections. If you sanded the spots then wet on wet would work . Again I don't have alot of experience with it other than wet on wet sealer and that's not designed to fill. Appreciate the support!
@kittynyc808 Жыл бұрын
i have a deep scratch on my rear bumper panel. since that part is plastic not metal would a filler eventually crack if that area was impacted/bumped again and cause the filler to crack? Wondering if its just best to replace entire panel for new one and get it painted.does filler work well for both plastic and metal or better for metal?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
It work for both, but if it's a large amount of filler you want a flexible filler made for bumpers.
@murthymarepalli1351Ай бұрын
How much psi i should use for spray gun when painting a body of vehicle?
@Steve-cs3tt10 ай бұрын
70 plus alcohol for cleaning before primer and wax & grease removal after prime is fine or alcohol all the time ? Also the guide coat you prefer spray over the have rub on ? Again thanks, Steve
@montiveros242 жыл бұрын
Good day Sir. Ive been watching your videos and they are very informative. Btw, what’s a clear base? Is it same as clear coat or it is as clear base coat? Thanks in advance!
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
It's clear basecoat meaning there's no color pigments in it . Appreciate the support brother!
@montiveros242 жыл бұрын
thank you for your fast response. Also, I am thinking of buying spray gun that uses low cfm. My choices are eastwood lt100, astro hvt12 or R500. Which should I pick?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
@@montiveros24 the lt 100 and the r500 are the same gun I would choose r500 you can't go wrong.
@bosshawg7427 Жыл бұрын
What about a whole bumper cover that's scratched on one side? Would you blend or just repaint the whole bumper?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Most of the time I paint the whole bumper. You can blend clear but the blend will eventually fail. Appreciate the comment and support!
@blazeindevil2 жыл бұрын
How long did the whole process from sanding the original paint to finish does this normally take?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
There's some dry time for primer and filler and paint but other than that a few hours
@richardjones31122 жыл бұрын
Great videos 👍.
@andrewhigdon8346 Жыл бұрын
So yes or no to wax and grease remover? Early on you said you don’t like to use it “here”. Then later you said you’d wash it with wax and grease remover. The only difference is saw was that you had done the glazing filler. There was still a lot of open area of plastic that was no different than before. What’s the reason for not wanting to use it “here”?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
on open plastic I prefer to use Isopropyl alcohol. hopes this clears it up. appreciate the support.
@rarefruit2320 Жыл бұрын
👍
@janpakx Жыл бұрын
Hello i have big problem after clear coating i start to polish the paint start cracks why?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Hard to tell without knowing how it was prepared and what materials were used.
@GersonCardoza-xn3xw6 ай бұрын
Where do I buy the exact paint color ?
@trailer20001 Жыл бұрын
How do you measure 50-1?
@BigX6982 жыл бұрын
Beautiful job!
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother!
@silvercommander9 ай бұрын
Can body filler be used on top of etch?
@anderson48412 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the class. Hugs.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Yw!
@JL-fj8zjАй бұрын
How much was customer charged for that roughly
@stevek7582 ай бұрын
Only thing i couldn't find is the filler you use?
@GarageNoise2 ай бұрын
amzn.to/3Nx94dV Here's the flexible bumper filler
@tabasamashfaq16802 жыл бұрын
Guys I'm new to this can someone put a link in for the wetbed/blender/clearbase please? And can someone also tell me if it gets mixed with hardner or thinners please?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Here is a link to color blender and it is ready to spray. www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9YKS1Q/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_apa_gl_i_PKEKGGVE338TJQ6XG7ME?linkCode=ml1&tag=garagenoise1-20
@Jopakilo Жыл бұрын
Is clear base coat same as top coat but no hardener?
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
No, it's the same as base coat with out the color. It's called binder. It's what is mixed with color pigment to make basecoat.
@abisaigutierrez62462 жыл бұрын
Do you do your work for insurance? And is it like a home shop? Also if so, how do you deal with insurance? I want to know cause I want to start doing the same thing.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
I'll work with all insurance companies. I work for the customer always with their best intrest in mind. I have a retail shop . What aspect of dealing with insurance companies do you have questions about?
@abisaigutierrez62462 жыл бұрын
@@GarageNoise just basically how to get into it, I do paint and body and my house for a lot of people. I just want to deal with insurance so that I could get way more work
@Jan-zm2yv2 жыл бұрын
So from the amateur point of view I have to ask how much would some like this cost. it is truly amazing repair however looks like you spent lots of time on it almost makes me think it would be cheaper to buy the bumper and replace it but maybe I'm wrong that's why I'm asking thank you
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
If you irder a new one it doesn't come painted so it would still need to be painted. The cost for the customer was about 500.
@Jan-zm2yv2 жыл бұрын
@@GarageNoise thank you for the response
@67polara2 жыл бұрын
Now do you buy the Nason 'proprietary' base-maker reducer (I think it's called) or do you like many of us use a quality Urethane reducer of another brand?? Not asking for secrets I just remember Nason selling it's own reducer you HAVE to use at inflated prices.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Base maker i believe is for the chroma base but that stuff is pricey! With nason i just use any reducer never had an issue.
@BrandonWilliams-jp5os17 күн бұрын
I think prep is definitely a more important part than 8%
@elkhuntr281611 ай бұрын
Do you have to do anything different since you are painting flexible plastic vs body sheet metal? Are you using the same paint, hardener, and body filler you would on the body? Or is there some additive to make it more flexible to resist cracking?
@courtneylewis9500 Жыл бұрын
Very good,
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
👍
@Tactical_Response_Team2 жыл бұрын
Link for the putty?
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
Usc icing amzn.to/3W4ez77
@Tactical_Response_Team2 жыл бұрын
@@GarageNoise Thank you brother. You do amazing work! If you were in Florida I’d def drop my Lexus off to you for some work. I did the hood! Clear coated her! Now I’m working on the front back bumper and roof. I don’t see no rust on the roof since she’s a Florida car we don’t get that much. Do I need primer or no rust is seen on the roof. I went down with with 320 grit cause the sun does serious damage here to paint. What do you recommend? I’ll post a video tomorrow or my roof after work.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
@@Tactical_Response_Team I would primer the roof with a good 2k primer. This will keep the new paint from soaking in to the old paint creating a nice barrier that give you a perfect surface for the new paint. Appreciate the support!
@gabrielroman25977 ай бұрын
You didn’t even need that much filler, could’ve used glaze for those little scratches. Plus you didn’t even need to add more filler when you said it was low.. you could’ve just took it all down to plastic, way faster plus less chance of shrinking up and could’ve used a normal primer to save money from using 2k primer
@GarageNoise7 ай бұрын
You can't see the waves in the plastic in a video. Definitely needed filler. There's other ways ot could've been done but it would've taken more time.
@Write_and_drive6 ай бұрын
Genius. I wonder if the mobile repair guy will put this much effort into my £300 repair🤔
@DungDang-gc9jf Жыл бұрын
Pease let me know which parts I need to buy for this job
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Everything should be listed in description brother!
@dkkd339 Жыл бұрын
да, царапины глубокие, но можно было их заточить в 0, толщина пластика позволяет это сделать!
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
👍
@thesetruths14045 ай бұрын
Nice work, but too much work for my cars, 😅. This is my process on any auto body part I repaint. I've even done a whole car like this. 1 can compatible primer, 1 can color, 1 can clear coat. Sand panel with 320, 600, then 800. Clean off thrice with water, then twice with lighter fluid. All coats 12 to 15 minutes apart. 7 light to medium-wet coats. 2 coats color primer, 2 coats color, 3 coats clear. All coats applied inside 75 minutes. No sanding inbetween coats.
@GarageNoise5 ай бұрын
Awesome! It's all about finding the process that works for you!
@jha00244 ай бұрын
I thought your not suppose to use wax and grease removal? Can you just use alcohol again?
@alexanderskripka1121 Жыл бұрын
Surprised you use the clear base coat as blender when not blend in old paint because you paint the whole corner
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Because it's silver is why. Appreciate your comment!
@atgn706 ай бұрын
You are clearly a great paint and body guy....Would it not have saved a bunch of time to just buy the bumper end and shoot it? They're incredibly cheap for that truck...I'm considering the time taken in prep work vs the forty dollars or so buying an end...My guess is you are here to show people how to get stuff done correctly..
@bazsopatrik62Ай бұрын
Im just the only that see a fckn t-rex shape without arms and a tail in the shape of the sanding area ?😂
@islamcantres7 ай бұрын
When you take the paper off you will have a line showing on the rear of bumper
@GarageNoise7 ай бұрын
Not sure what you're referring to, but no tape line in this repair.
@Gegsite2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I have a feeling that you overdo it and the work is not in pair with the need and the cost of the job. No doubt you are maximalist. I probably think that that front bumper is better then the rest of the factory panels :D. Greetings from Hungary!
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
I just follow the process that has worked for year. Your probably right it might be a little overkill but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Appreciate the comment and support brother!
@draganjotanovic3503 Жыл бұрын
It all looks good on camera in a dark room. The question is why he didn't take the car outside and into the sun so we could see it up close in the strong sunlight. Only in sunlight to take a close-up of this now painted part and the panel next to it. Because many people watch the video and say it's a great job, but when you look at it in sunlight, you can see all the flaws. And without polishing and detailing, I don't believe that this is a good job, just spray-painted as it is and it's great, come on
@rimad68827 ай бұрын
It would be usefull if you removed the cover and compared to the rest of the car.
@GarageNoise7 ай бұрын
Color?
@rimad68827 ай бұрын
@@GarageNoiseYes.
@DannyDBhoy Жыл бұрын
That Jack would scare the life out me
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
It is a bit scary when you first start using it.
@Syirus20202 жыл бұрын
All of this just gave me a head ache! Why? I wouldn't of use this method to fix that plastic panel. Ever Heard of Lord Fuzor? #133 or 152 work great for that type panel, best part it wont crack like Filler does, doesn't matter even is its fiberglass filler. seen it pop out and peel.
@GarageNoise2 жыл бұрын
There's more ways to repair this for sure. Lord fuzor is good evercoat makes a similar product. Lots of different products than can be used this is just one way. Appreciate the comment!
@mittu2447 Жыл бұрын
Hi bro have job im pentar
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
Sorry brother just me and the Boy
@frankymartinezrodriguez1838 Жыл бұрын
1000 times that finish 1 u got back there than the transtar
@GarageNoise Жыл бұрын
You like finish one better than transtar? Just trying to understand?
@AnitaFillmore6 ай бұрын
Why do you have gloves on ????
@MaxMax-th7uz3 ай бұрын
Far too much filler for such minor scratches ..
@UtwoBed3 ай бұрын
Wow, what a pain in the ass. Now I know why it costs 20 grand to pain a car.these days.