Hydrogen Storage in Liquid Organic Hydrogen Carrier - insights from first project experiences

Dr. Martin Schneider, Head of Product Management
Hydrogenious Technologies GmbH

[@SIPhouseMongolia]

Thanks, this technology has great potential. With cheap renewable energy (or excess renewable energy like from PV in sunny summer days), long term hydrogen storage will unlock whole new dimension in energy sector.

[@kellykitkat40]

You would not want to put the lohc in a car, because a selling feature of fuel cell vehicles is the ability to start up in freezing cold weather. Again, it takes heat energy to release the hydrogen from a "liquid organic hydrogen carrier".

[@kellykitkat40]

Start a fire underneath the car to warm it up? We got hydrogen, back online.. yea!

[@kellykitkat40]

At the moment, batteries are winning. Both technologies are evolving, and at different rates, but metrics are not really comparable. It will come down to cost, and marketing. And Tesla is winning in terms of cost and marketing, for now. But keep in mind, when Ford Motor Company was first selling a million cars a year, Toyota had yet to make a single car.

[@paulsutton5896]

Batteries for cars. Hydrogen, possibly, for Heavy vehicles.

[@levon9999]

does this not burn at 300C?

[@kellykitkat40]

Current hydrogen stations, it seems (like those put up by Shell Oil) can only fuel about 70 cars (350 kg of hydrogen) before they need to "rest" to refuel, for the next day. But typical gasoline stations can handle 700 cars a day. So, my guess is that the only way to make fuel cell cars practical, is to develop a home hydrogen system that is no more expensive than the Tesla Powerwall 2. Is that realistic?

[@dannichols6261]

I guess external heat 'integration' would be a heat *dump* ?

[@kellykitkat40]

Would you put a flame thrower in your garage? Well, biometrics could keep the kids from starting a fire.

[@levon9999]

also the intro titles and music are way too long, and kind of annoying. 😱 the shared are lacking statistical factual details that I would have like to see, specifically about how much of this is evaporated into air and what happens to it thereafter. also what happens to mice after Inhaling this for few years? hmm reminds me of leaded fuel.

[@kellykitkat40]

This is not much of a breakthrough. Temperature and heat are different concepts. It will take a great deal of heat energy to get a tanker of lohc to the temperature at which it will release the stored hydrogen, is my guess. If it takes an hour to unload that fuel at a hydrogen station, I guess deliveries will be made at 3 am.

[@user-mi6mp4rw7e]

nice reply,the speaker always focuses on the goodness instead of badness.

[@jonathondeeds3423]

No you are wrong firstly the heat needed to release the Hydrogen is not that high its between 150°c and 300°c secondly you wont need to heat up the whole tanker at once the liquide can be passed through a small heat exchanger to heats up the fluid on its way to the catalyst. Waste exhaust and coolant heat is more than enough to get the fluid to the desired temperature.

[@levon9999]

exactly how toxic is this and why is it even considered a better solution then toxicity free Metal Halide?

[@kellykitkat40]

3:50 .. 280 - 300 degrees celsius !! Nigga please.

[@d-e-falt]

I would prefer to put current directly in a battery and use it this way in a car. Ok - if you are in love with stupid complex cars you can go the LOHC way.

[@jonathondeeds3423]

But its batteries that are stupid heavy and complex with over 9000 parts in some cases.