well presented discussion of this tough topic! Thank you!
@truthnow9024 ай бұрын
1st John 1:8 I'm pretty disappointed because everything you said up to here was actually truthful, you do realize what this means obviously you don't this verse is 100% right but not for the reason that you're thinking the reason we cannot say we have no sin, and we would be a liar because of Adam and Eve Jesus was not born into sin he was born of no father of the world but we were born of the Flesh of Adam and Eve so we carry on their sin, but Jesus has no sin and in him there is no sin so if we walk in Jesus Christ pick up our cross every single day and we deny ourselves we can definitely 100% walking righteousness with Jesus Christ once we are saved Jesus gives us a new heart and we give up our life 100% to him and threw him and only through him can we walk in righteousness there is no need to sin, and if we still continue to walk and sit and not in righteousness it's because we're not walking in our Lord and Savior Jesus we are walking in the deception of the world which will keep us in bondage to sin, please don't take that verse out of context!!!
@Nighhhts6 ай бұрын
There is no “practice sinning.” That’s found absolutely NOWHERE in the Bible. It’s “committeth.” All it takes is ONE SIN to be guilty before God, and James 2:10 makes that very clear. “Practicing sin” doesn’t result in a “loss of salvation,” and it doesn’t “prove you’re unsaved.” Both are false doctrines…
@truthnow9024 ай бұрын
I'm not sure why you brought up this verse because it doesn't apply to what you're saying he is talking about the law here!!! What does guy is trying to tell you and you're not listening for some odd reason a lot of people still want to continue in their sin and they don't want to hear the truth, what he is saying is not false Doctrine it's the truth that people don't want to hear and someone who talks like this is someone who wants to still live in their sin, but now in the Bible it tells you Jesus died so we can continue in our sin, ( Hebrews 6:4-6 ) ( Hebrews 10:26 ) we need to stop sinning there's no doubt about it and it's Jesus says Grace that empowers us when he gives us a new heart to stop sinning!!! And to walk in righteousness with them only through him without him we cannot do it!!!!
@Nighhhts4 ай бұрын
@@truthnow902 Everything I said has to do with what he said, unless you’re illiterate and suffer reading comprehension issues. He is talking about the Law, and so am I. The Law saves no one, it only condemns (Romans 3:19-21), as all it takes to make you guilty before God is breaking ONE Law, which in God’s eyes is like breaking all of them (James 2:10). Everyone sins and everyone lives in sin, so spare me the typical Pharisee rhetoric… no one is saying “yeah, go out and sin,” because “the wages of sin is death.” Sinning results in death for believer and unbeliever, but only the unbeliever dies in their sins, for they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. You incorrectly referenced both Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26, clearly not understanding what those passages are about. “We need to stop sinning.” This is not possible, hence Jesus Christ and our need for Him; ONLY He was sinless, and ONLY He defeated sin and death. In order to not sin, you must not transgress God’s Law, for “sin is the transgression of the Law.” Obey the Law if you want to not sin. This requires you to walk in the Spirit (the new man) and not the flesh (the old man), as demonstrated by Paul in Romans 7. This is discipleship (hence the word “discipline”) and has nothing to do with salvation. The problem with this is, most people (including believers) do not walk in the Spirit, thus they cannot obey the Law thus making them guilty. But they would have to perfectly walk in the Spirit, which no one but Christ has done, thus all are still guilty before God. And even if they could obey, it doesn’t matter because they’ve already sinned, thus they’re guilty yet again. Turing from sin has nothing to do with going to Heaven, because one sin makes you guilty before God. It is faith in the Fulfiller of the Law - the Savior Jesus Christ - that has to do with going to Heaven; whoever does not believe is already condemned, but whoever believes is not condemned (John 3:18). Faith alone is how anyone is saved (Romans 4, especially verses 1-6; Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-9).
@truthnow9024 ай бұрын
@@Nighhhts oh boy someone who calls himself a Christian you sure like to cut people down, I understand very very clearly and on our own you're right we cannot stop this is why a non-Christian a non-believer will continue in their sin and the believer will continue in their sin, this is very easy to understand there is no sin in Jesus and once we accept into our hearts we live in Jesus Jesus lives in US!!! Now there is no sin in Jesus so if we live in him with no sin how are we still able to sin? It's because if we are still sining it's because we're not living in Christ Christ does not live in US so you are right we cannot stop this on our own but we could definitely stop it with our Lord and Savior Jesus he's very clear on this!!! This is why many places in the Bible Jesus tells people go sin no more because living through him we can stop sining!!! You can show me one verse in the Bible that tells me that Jesus died so we can continue on sining, because that is what people are preaching I will believe you but we need to keep in mind God hates sin so he wouldn't send his only begotten son so we can just continue in our sin and be in bondage to sin and do the works of our father the devil!! Do you guys really think so little of Jesus this is very very sad people think so little of him.
@truthnow9024 ай бұрын
@@Nighhhts so stop sending is impossible? I proved it to you that it is not impossible remember what the Bible says anything is possible through Christ anything no restrictions!!! Like I had mentioned in the other context I sent you, no one who abides in him keeps on sinning no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him!!!!!! ( 1John 3:6 ) it makes it very clear right here no way of misinterpreting this, in him there is no sin this is why when we abide in him we don't sin it's impossible for us to sin!! Because we are abiding in him I hope this really cleared it up brother. You don't need to be in bondage to sin no more bad excuse for Christians is over just wants us to pick up our cross and deny ourselves and walk with him in righteousness absolutely beautiful have a good one!!!
@LinseyDickinson-g1t13 күн бұрын
Thank you I was worried ❤
@Myjesus-110 ай бұрын
Sinning Christians are not saved. They are not born again, and they dont have the Holy Spirit. A great deception has infiltrated the majority of Christian churches. They are teaching doctrines of demons that say that sin is a normal part of Christian life and is even to be expected. This is not biblical. The Apostle John said, "And ye know that he (Jesus) was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
@Nighhhts6 ай бұрын
Everyone is a sinner, including you. Habitually sinning Christians are still Christians, they just struggle with sin. Has nothing to do with eternal salvation. All it takes is ONE SIN to make you GUILTY before GOD, not “habitually sinning.” A believer who walks in the flesh instead of the Spirit is still saved, but they are chastised by God. “Abideth” is referring to the believer. The abider does not sin because they have been born again, receiving the Holy Spirit, and thus that nature cannot sin. It’s not talking about walking in the flesh, by which one will sin. The abider has no sin because Christ has no sin, and we have His perfection as our covering. No amount of walking in the flesh can thwart Christ’s defeating of sin and death. The Old Man (the flesh) vs the New Man (the Spirit); the former sins, the latter cannot sin; if you walk in the flesh, you’ll sin, and if you walk in the Spirit, you won’t sin. “Feeling sorrowful for your sins” does nothing for anyone and has nothing to do with receiving eternal salvation. You are born again upon putting your faith in Christ, through Whom you receive the Holy Spirit Who seals you unto the Day of Redemption (the Rapture), meaning you cannot lose your salvation, ever.
@Myjesus-16 ай бұрын
@Nighhhts You have been deceived in a very bad way.
@Myjesus-16 ай бұрын
@Nighhhts You are contradicting the Bible and the Apostle John: 1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. (Sinners do not have the Holy Spirit in them. If they did they would be changed.)
@Nighhhts6 ай бұрын
@@Myjesus-1 No, everything I said is 100% biblical and can easily be backed up by Scripture. You, however, do not understand the passages you quote, because you do not understand that we have two natures: the old man (the flesh) and the new man (the Spirit-filled man) and that we choose to either walk in the flesh or the Spirit. The Apostle Paul struggled with sin even as a saved man, as he made clear in Romans 7. In Christ, no sin you commit can cause you to go to hell. If you think otherwise, then you believe sin is more powerful than Christ, and you do not believe in Christ nor the grace of God. Everyone is a sinner, and anyone who says they are not or that they do not sin, the truth is not in them. You believe in a false gospel and false teachings, therefore the truth is not in you.
@Nighhhts6 ай бұрын
@@Myjesus-1 Also, stop using your false, corrupted version. “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning” is not in the Bible. It’s “whosoever abideth in him sinneth not.” Why do those who abide (believe) in Him not sin? Because he took away our sins, thus as a believer with a new nature (the new man), we cannot sin. This passage has nothing to do with eternal salvation, it’s speaking on the one who is born again (the new man). The old man (the flesh) has no powerful over the new man (the Spirit-filled man); the former sins, the latter cannot sin because it’s God in you, and God cannot sin. Two completely different natures that dwells within every man, and you can choose to walk in the flesh and sin or walk in the Spirit; a believer who sins is chastised, he/she does not and cannot lose his/her eternal salvation, otherwise Christ’s sacrifice would have been pointless and sin would be more powerful than Christ. Only the unsaved can die in their sins…
@dannypowell434617 күн бұрын
I have been praying for forgiveness for all my sins as long as I can remember.but I have a certain sin I keep praying to overcome but I still do it.what I'm I doing wrong If I was forgiven for this sin then why do I keep sinning even though I believe in God and have faith