"Hackintosh" on RAID 0 SSDs

[@CocoTheMii]

“This guy has SSD wings.” -Druaga, 2016

[@SyphistPrime]

You need to have a strip size of 420KB otherwise the installation isn't dank enough

[@ryl-ie]

danK Mêmê

[@lookwhosstalking4757]

Syphist Prime or 420.00gb of hard drive space

[@FluuiBun]

Knackles Enchilada it never is too dank, it always is dank m8

[@TheDoctorSoda]

Yes! I love hour long videos. They're nice and relaxing to watch before bed.

[@sparkie5571]

Ayy same

[@BlazeFireXERO]

Druaga, am I the only one that noticed you didn't use the 'Customize' button during setup? If you opened that menu, you'd be able to bring up the page for choosing which kexts you'd want installed based on your hardware and also If I'm not mistaken bootloader installation should be under it also. You should /never/ go and install a Hackintosh without using the Customize button first. That's probably why your sound didn't work amongst other things. Also, You were using two SATA III drives hooked up to a SATA II RAID controller. A heavy bottleneck as I'll ever see it. RAID is a complex beast to work with but in the end of the day you tried. Next time though, be sure to get a bootloader like Clover and do it that way. :)

[@MaxUgly]

Three years later.... You can make this happen with even better SSD's for less than $40. At this point, might as well just go all out if you really want to use this old computer. I am so high it took me a half of an hour to type this../

[@andrive]

@@MaxUgly nice

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

@@MaxUgly xD

[@mehmehabd81]

wait.. why is there a ATI and Nvidia sticker? WHAT MADNESS IS THIS.

[@VeilStar]

ATI sticker? Where?

[@mehmehabd81]

with the sapphire logo

[@AiOinc1]

It's both that's why

[@mehmehabd81]

AIO inc. but how?

[@mehmehabd81]

***** probably a sticker but I would like to think it is something interesting

[@TSteffi]

The point with the stripe size is this: A Stripe is the smallest unit on a RAID. Think of it as the block size. Every read and write happens one stripe at a time. This means that larger stripe sizes can get very inefficient when you are dealing with lots of small files, like for booting an OS or compiling large programs. For mostly sequential access to large files, like videos or .ISOs, large stripe sizes are better. Also, you should try to format the drive with the same block size as your stripe size. For installing an OS, i would propably go rather low, something like 8k. For a data drive i would go with 64k or 128k. And then format the drive accordingly.

[@scsi7477]

for your next video you should put an ssd in a parking meter!

[@scsi7477]

btw mush kin ram is terrible.

[@jpomega]

XD

[@weisnoobs]

You just made my day xD haha

[@jpomega]

I could put on my Washing machine... Maybe someday someone puts it in a vibrator

[@n_3719]

for your next video, you should install a scsi hdd in a parking meter

[@machinerin151]

Yep, I agree with you. I like more when the SSD has the box, and it comes in antistatic bag.

[@ProtoMario]

SSD wings, Radical man!

[@Adamlol642]

Yeah

[@MrArmadaskier4123]

Druaga, man, you make the absolute funniest, and most creative tech videos I've ever seen. Keep it up man, your content is golden!

[@josugambee3701]

I've got a Gateway FX, looks exactly like yours. I found it used for pretty cheap. Running Linux Mint on it, works great!

[@blazinskrub4202]

"And today we're going to continue the..glossy screen adventures" *likes video*

[@BobM925]

Oh man you buy SSD's like I buy cartons of smokes. Kudos.

[@PavelShreyder]

I think you never saved hardware raid settings. Check 27:31

[@zianadra]

I don't usually comment on videos (and this one is semi old) but I've used that distro and it saddened me that you didn't go into the customize menu. That's how you get it working "properly." You check what features you have or want and uncheck the unnecessary ones. If you try again I'd recommend doing that. Otherwise keep doing what you're doing.

[@648]

Hey smokers, SSDruaga1 here

[@mtunayucer]

xdd that was funny

[@haroldflower8008]

x

[@loganbahm]

D

[@gabemiller9817]

I think that apple logo was used with snow leopard (I think.) and I'm 90% sure they used it with devices like the iPhone 4 on its stock firmware

[@Ashton000]

Yeah, all iOS versions lower than 6 used it on the boot screen

[@MaxismM77]

ios 6 did use it. when jony took over, ios 7 introduced the white and flat apple logo.

[@Ashton000]

***** So does 8 and 9, which are just slower, buggier versions of 7.

[@Aheaddy]

Wrong. That logo was NEVER used for Snow Leopard. You're right about the iPhone part though!

[@MaxismM77]

We already established this. You're very late to the party.

[@capybaradelivery]

Tfw new Drauga video at midnight. Your timing is impeccable as always :^)

[@Primith12]

Hey Druaga! I love your videos, I learned a lot about ssd-s and hard drives, OS setup and such things, you rule man! :D Greetings from Hungary!

[@athrunzala75]

That off-centred trackpad makes me slightly uncomfortable.

[@AiOinc1]

That apple logo with the slash through it was used on the iPhone from the 2G until the 5 from iOS 1.0 up to iOS 7, when it was changed to the more modern flat icon.

[@YdenPL]

Everything around me is tempting me to try Hackintoshing my PC again, damn you SSDruaga!!!!

[@Guywhosayswisestuff]

Druaga have you ever smoked weed?

[@dialupdave6276]

no, he's never smoked weed it's just a joke on the channel.

[@Adamlol642]

@@cheezycool01 imagine

[@RageTurtle_Rage]

I BEEN WAITING 4 A HACKINTOSH VIDEO FROM THIS GUY

[@AureaisChannel]

I was going to sleep, and you upload this... Who cares, I'm sorry for my eyes of tomorrow but this is important.

[@skipvogel8995]

The minimum amount of drive space used for small files depends on file system cluster size. It has nothing to do with the raid set at all. The raid controller makes the drives appear as 1 drive with virtual tracks and sectors, that are mapped accross the diffrent drives. How they are mapped depends on the stripe-size, but to the OS, each sector is still 512 bytes and the FS determines the cluster size, which is used for allocation of the drive space.

[@aly369]

Brings back memories when I did my tutorials years ago on iatkos and Ideneb. The frame rate drop is most likely due to of not having the correct drivers installed

[@ch3rok33jo3]

I never could get my audio to work on my hackintosh build, got everything else but the audio never would cooperate. I ended up getting a really cheap (but very functional and decent) USB sound device that works at BIOS level 100% without any drivers. It's so rad...!

[@lululombard]

That Wall-E DVD satan edition with 64 GB on it. Wtf.

[@Budgiebrain994]

Some of the more advanced copy-protection mechanisms Disney have implemented include intentionally corrupting the disc to prevent DVD-ROM drives from correctly reading them, resulting in whacky scenarios like this.

[@crimsun7186]

Most of the modern burning software can bypass that protection.

[@jordananderson8299]

What time in the video did you see it?

[@jordananderson8299]

Ok I see it now...Are you stoned? That's a legitimate DVD isn't it? It doesn't say 64gb anywhere...

[@DaVince21]

Jordan Anderson It says 64.36 GB on disk at 36:55. Druaga1 even points at it a few seconds later.

[@DDT2005]

My second Mushkin SSD died the other day. It was the RMA replacement for my first Mushkin SSD. They both failed for the same reason: controller failure; BIOS no longer detects them.

[@TheDanielHolt]

1920x1200 on a 2008 laptop? Not bad.

[@vegasvan702]

so glad I found you, you rock. Loved your iPod that wouldn't vid.

[@miniwa1698]

still waiting on that gentoo on p4 video

[@sarahts21]

Been there, done that. With distcc and ccache helping to push it along it was several days of pure unadulterated pain. It wouldn't be a fun video to watch IMHO.

[@jonmahashintina]

I'd like to see more linux anything stuff just because I think Druaga has a fun take on videos that no one else doing linux on youtube has. I understand if he won't. I'll just be sad. :C

[@jturner718]

I gave up on installing Gentoo around the time I had to configure my first kernel. I spent hours trying to get it right and I could never get it to go past 640x480 on the video and my wifi refused to work.

[@sarahts21]

Sedrosken The secret is to zcat the existing config (/proc/kernel or something... it's been a while) in to the default file for genkernel and then use that. Sure it sucks as far as tailoring goes but it WILL give you the LiveCD's kernel to boot from with all of its drivers. After that then you start sorting out a custom one with a different name, so you can always boot the working one :)

[@DoomGuyPictures]

I WANT SSD WINGS!

[@joshuanorris5860]

Lel

[@joshuanorris5860]

What were they smoking to come up with that loool

[@BetaMaster2]

@@joshuanorris5860 obviously weed

[@joshuanorris5860]

@@BetaMaster2 some dank shit then :P

[@IscleGaming]

main reasons i like druaga1 videos: 1. They are fun. 2. They are long.

[@Anamnesia]

Re: Strip/File size. That's true, that your minimum file size is going to be whatever the Strip size is. But there's another, more concerning number & that's whatever the physical 'Block' size is. Due to the way SSD's write/erase data, if you have a high number of small file sizes, the overriding Block size is what is written/erased & this is what produces wear level on SSD's. There's an interesting channel by "Scott Moulton" who does Forensic data recovery who talks in one of his videos about how SSD's store/manage data on an electrochemical level... I found it very interesting; 'Shmoocon 2008'

[@eila2088]

The number of cycles on modern (not 2008-2010) ssds is enough for any consumer use and frankly prosumer use. Outside of intel whose firmware puts ssd in read only recovery mode when it hits rated cycle limit you can use a ssd well past it's rated cycle limit.

[@Anamnesia]

+Sean Metivier Even if you were to select 4Kb sectors? That was more where I was going with my comment (or certainly that's what I was thinking, although not specifically expressed)

[@eila2088]

***** techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead techreport.com/review/24841/introducing-the-ssd-endurance-experiment They were copying a windows installation (lots of little files) that was 10gb total and they hit Petabyes on the good ones and hundreds of TB on the worst ones.

[@josephcvega]

Still waiting for 100 Layers of SSD Challenge

[@ErickEspinoza246]

If you want to install drivers and a boot loader onto the hdd, consider using multibeast. Only problem is that you have to signup to download.

[@Notevenmad955]

He had most of the drivers on that dvd.He just forget to "customise" the install with them

[@AROAH]

Man, I remember back when you had to use iATKOS if you didn't want to spend a week working out how to formulate your own DSDT to make your motherboard work. Huh, it's still around. That blows my mind.

[@theoveranalysticjake378]

45:40 When you see that bar come down, you *know* what's gonna happen :P

[@coolevi123]

I miss my old laptop, it had two graphics cards and two hard drives.

[@ian5004]

Try to install 10.11 with clover on the laptop.

[@GeekBrony]

>try You are correct. Trying to install 10.11 on my Desktop even fails miserably (even though I have 10.10 working perfectly)

[@MichaelMisanthropist]

+GeekBrony My 10.11 system went down this week. SIP problems, stick with 10.10 for as long as you can.

+Michael Ray so happy i stayed on 10.10, only seen problems with 10.11

[@plzdonhack]

Trial and error guys. i've got 10.10 to 10.11 working perfectly on my Haswell machine and 10.9 through 10.12 working on my Haswell laptop. All the functions working. Best bet is use the same Clover folder for your installations. Never fails for me.

+Seong Hong Oh, I'm running AMD & Chameleon, haha

[@moth.monster]

Huh. Turns out my current laptop could become a 2008 gaming laptop with an eGPU.

[@drawesome821]

still waiting on the g4 cube video

[@zTachikoma]

Niresh makes Hackintosh a lot easier to install with usually only a little bit of modification of settings.

[@RoyanGreenwood23]

"Hey smokers druaga1 here" and I'm like "but druaga1, I don't smoke!?!"

[@itsx7062]

Me nether

[@superJK92]

I do not smoke because it is dumb

[@MinePlayersPE]

i dont smoke because im in neither (drug legaliser) canada nor (drug ruled) latin america

[@MaxUgly]

if you are here you are pro weed whether you smoke or not

[@Vili69420]

dude you not can't use full speed on this "SSD" drivers if your laptop not support "SATA3" may be that is your problem with the speed i don't know

[@thecrakenplays2181]

Love the videos, Druaga. I loved L4D2.

[@isaacg35]

Great video druaga! if you REALLY wanted it to work i recommend you look for a RAID controller driver/kext. but i think the windows 7 or 10 would be logical as you already have a MBP.

[@cmdudes9684]

You're not right ! The Bootlloader is installed with the system !

[@voca-chan7953]

It’s true, Wall-E has a huge folder size of 59.9 gigs

[@krass76]

for raid you plug one of these extremely tiny usb 2.0 sticks (not much bigger than the plug itself, about the size of one of these "logitech unified receiver" thingies) in and leave that plugged in at all times. then in the BIOS select AHCI and the first boot device to be the USB. Then install OSX on a software raid you created via disk util from the CD. For the first boot, use the EFI on the CD. Then boot, set everything up. Then install proper chameleon to the USB from within OS X. I remember there being a fairly well-structured chameleon config wizard UI-thing you could find online. there you would configure it to boot from the raid and set a timer (5seconds is fine) to do so automatically. You are so lucky you don't have to deal with KEXTs (drivers for the "custom" hardware that vanilla OS X does not have).

[@SofaKingdom69_]

on my Mac book pro if you open just 1 application it poops itself but it's running elcapatan

[@joblessalex]

Heh. Love taking the weekend off to make hackintosh boot. Had a pc I set up for Windows yesterday and it just magically booted.

[@kylehues8465]

You should do something with dial-up. Take us back! Take us back dammit!

[@Xyle-rb5kv]

Druaga, The reason why it took forever was because it was creating the driver/kext cache.

[@nicnl255]

If the OSX installer was unable to see the first configured raid, that means that it was a fakeraid which is a software raid. (a cheap version of raid : the controller simply tells the OS "hey if you have the drivers, you can use theses disk as a raid")A true raid controller would hide the disks from the guest OS and only present it the raid as a virtual disk. Soooo... this is fine. You had the choice between software raid made by the fakeraid controller or a software raid made by OSX.

[@machinerin151]

You can just ignore those brackets if you have an SSD. Just duct tape the drive in place and you are ready to go.They are vibration-proof, remember?

[@WebeloZappBrannigan]

That was surreal!... I'm just messing around on Skate 2 as I watch this video, and I started this slow, janky grind down a rail near the Matrix Plaza, just as the video reaches 54:41 and I kid you not, I landing it at 54:52! Man, I wish I could have caught it on video or something.

[@EndUser2090]

Thats great that Quartz works OOB. Try to install chameleon on your SSD or use an inconspicuous USB stick as a booter.

[@EndUser2090]

Not sure if you mentioned this already, but you could forget RAID and use one SSD for OSX and the other for win 7. May just be easier to this.

[@woodyTM]

I bought a Silicon Power 120GB SSD a year and a half ago and within less than 6 months of usage it failed. I was able to recover it from a completely damaged partition table. Now the problem is upon restarting, BIOS has a tendency to not find it and calls for another system reboot. Thankfully I have a whole box full of SSDs and HDDs I replaced it.

[@yannicg]

can you put a downlode link for the mac ISO in the description(i want to setup my old Toshiba qosmio g20-105 AS an dual Boot Windows 7/OS x system

[@MarwanGhazi]

I used to own the same laptop. served me well for 7 years!

[@nicholaswilliams1197]

Hey Druaga! If you want an SSD that feels substantial and is packaged very well, look for "Super Talent" SSDs. I've used one of their IDE (Yes, a native IDE SSD) SSDs and it has been great in my old Dell Latitude D610 laptop. Go ahead and blow more money!

[@TheChikyChiky]

The only take away is "Oh fuck, here comes Wall-E".

[@P2000Camaro]

I'm blown the hell away that your Hackintosh booted and functioned alright without having to hit "Customize" at the installer and fuck with the Kexts. Although, you might have a better working one if you did. Also, the reason the DVD is fucked up is because even though it detected your video card, hardware acceleration is usually off by default in Hackintosh OSX. You have to download a program to turn it on (I think it's called Quartz, but I can't remember.. I haven't done Hackintosh in YEARS.) But look into that. Also, if you installed a better sound card kext, it would fix the issues you're having with that too. You may even be able to get a fully working hackintosh out of it! Good luck with Wifi, though. You'll probably need a USB dongle unless you're very lucky. I actually bought a different laptop Wifi card so I could have native Wifi with hackintosh.

[@TheCODfatherII]

Those mushkin ssd's are very prone to fail..

[@Zestypanda]

Iatkos adds blue-ray support..

[@1x4x9]

For about $25 you can pick up a 2.93GHz T9800 and get another 30-40% uplift in performance. 5-15% of that is from the 6MB of L2 cache. A 3.06GHz T9900 isn't worth the 50% price premium for a measly 66MHz.

[@joemanfred5738]

I'd like to see you internalize usb wifi and replace the mpcie wifi with a sata card to add two more ssds somewhere, or perhaps see a video of an eGPU setup

[@dsknkt1]

Druaga motivated me to install an ssd with windows millenium on my microwave oven so i can play minesweeper while waiting for my meal.

[@nono-oz4gv]

I'm just a teen 14 and it was a pain for me to get the graphics card work

[@akwardturtleee]

Wow!! Thats really cool a Hackbook from 2008

[@SureshotCyclonus]

The built-in RAID on that laptop is not RAID at all, it is a firmware on the board that requires a driver for the OS to conduct the RAID functions. So unless you have drivers for it on OSX, it will be ignored and show up as individual drives.

[@doridori6713]

Wow druaga always calls stuff as weed, just like me

[@AiOinc1]

1 dislike? WHO. SHOW YOURSELF.

[@mikerosoft335]

@Druaga1 you need to install the boot loader on the ssd using the hackintosh install disk in the utilities menu bar tab.

[@ObsessedWIthGTAIV]

www.cnet.com/products/gateway-p-7805u-fx-edition/specs/ Interface Serial ATA-150 SATA I (revision 1.x) interface, formally known as SATA 1.5Gb/s, is the first generation SATA interface running at 1.5 Gb/s. The bandwidth throughput, which is supported by the interface, is up to 150MB/s.

[@drumguy1384]

Not sure about stripe size, but I know that is how it works with blocks. The minimum file size for any file no matter how little data it has in it is 1 block. So if you use 16 KB blocks and have a file that only has 4 KB of information, the file will still be 16 KB so, four times its actual size. I'm guessing stripes are essentially the same as blocks, except spread across your RAID volume. There has got to be some reason not to set the blocks/stripes too small, but for the life of me, I can't remember why. Perhaps because the FAT would be unrealistically huge due to having to keep track of so many blocks? I'm not sure. Man, you remember when the file system of a disk actually made a meaningful impact on the available space?

[@ExtremeMetal]

Looks like the SSDs are saturating the bandwidth of SATA II. If the RAID was working they should have two times the bandwidth of SATA II, as they are both taking up a SATA II "lane". Something tells me the soft RAID isn't working as it should.

[@WebeloZappBrannigan]

22:48 I wonder whether a Hackintosh running OS X and "software" RAID from OpenZFS is possible? That would be pretty frickin' sweet.

[@TRENX_]

You should use Yosemite zone as it has native Intel raid at the setup.. it did for me anyways it should work because it also finds all the next for your machine automatically and installs a bootloader.

[@expansiongames]

i run RAID0 ssd for like 3 years now and i like it alot

[@GendoPrime]

Personally, for Snow leopard I'd use the iBoot + Multibeast method, and then update to 10.6.8 via combo update package.

[@puddingistastyapples]

just a fyi for next time i think vista and up has the Intel raid drivers built in so it would just detect it right away no drivers needed to install

[@AwesumIndustrys]

Three layers of nerdgasmic tech: Hack OS X RAID SSD Oh dios mio.

[@ceejayszee]

I Still want to see a druaga-made SSD toaster.

[@Diabl0pl]

How do I install SSD on my toaster? :D

[@Adamlol642]

Put it in the little slot

[@AngeredKabar]

I don't trust this hard drive. I'm gonna stripe a couple drives.

[@slayallthedeamons]

Ahh i remember installing hackintosh on my computer using the same iAtkos distro and shit was that hard but incredibly rewarding

[@airhead0523]

I wonder if I should put a SSD into a 2006 Compaq Presario? Or a Nvidia GTX 420

[@dillondriskill6403]

the apple logo was used in the original ios from 1-6

[@pixelpc5320]

Still waiting on the SSD iBook video...

[@masslan3325]

I'm trying to make a hackintosh myself but it's not going well

[@macyler]

At about 40 minutes in, you're talking about macOS' upcoming deduplication features. Not trying to say it's better, but I thought I'd just mention that this is already possible in NTFS with Windows Server 2012 and up. It has some limitations, like not working on the host OS's boot/system drive, but it works on data/VM drives, and it works VERY well. We're averaging about 45-50% space savings on our file server. This deduplication also works not on a file-level, but actually parts of files. So if you have a lot of pictures that are very similar for example, it can do an amazing job of keeping space usage low. More info here: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh769303(v=vs.85).aspx

[@drumguy1384]

All RAID is software. It's just a matter of what is processing the software. With a dedicated RAID card there is a processor and some RAM on the card with a special RAID BIOS installed that handles the RAID array. "Software RAID" just uses your system processor and RAM to handle the RAID function, which only takes a tiny amount of processing power. Once upon a time offloading RAID functions to a dedicated card was noticeably different, but that hasn't been the case in a decade or more. BTW, the built-in RAID in your BIOS? It's still using the CPU and system RAM to do the work, so really it's just "software RAID" anyway. Only difference is the RAID array is presented to the OS as a single volume. If your OS supports software RAID it's actually probably better because it can monitor the individual disks without the extra layer of abstraction.

[@drumguy1384]

The only case where you would need to use your BIOS RAID is if you want to install Windows on a RAID array. Windows doesn't do software RAID (unlike Linux and OSX) and therefore needs a single volume to install itself on. You basically have to trick it into installing by using that extra layer of abstraction. Outside of that scenario I would just use software RAID. It's way easier and doesn't really cost much in terms of performance.

[@goomba39]

you can install a bootloader from the iatkos disk. right before you push install push options unchecked everything except the chameleon bootloader and it should work without issue! I did this many a time I'm my hackintosh attempts.

[@codykamminga9667]

WTF!? That's the same caddy as my Dell Inspiron 1300!

[@ilastexile]

Nice it brings back memories of hackintosh :)

[@vaderexmachina]

aren't you going to buy those zip disks for the powermac g4? you said you would make a video about it!!!!!