Haida - Tricky, But A Lot Of Fun

[@Flamuu]

Not a ship I would recommend as a first premium, but the ship has great potential in experienced hands. Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz

[@iamplay797]

are you sure Thomas? cause if that is the case I would spec into that for sure 1/4 speed is sooo slowww

[@iamplay797]

Tomasz Bienert thanks for the tip im gonna try it and see

[@syedsharjil3174]

Flamu how come I don't have access to the smoke mod. There's just 3. Main battery, aa guns, and aiming systems. How'd you get the smoke mod? That would really come in handy for me

[@kebabremoveth5257]

Torpedo boat? No Gun boat? No Smoke boat

[@trentlewis1473]

Laughoutloud Studios well by the end of October 2018 Canada will have legalized marijuana... So yes "smoke boat"

[@bryanwong1766]

How to use the HMCS Haida: 1. Fire on enemy 2. Apologize 3. Repeat

[@petrameyer1121]

Killing them with kindness, so what? :)

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Replace step 1 with sink the enemy ship

[@suryia6706]

Remember that when a Canadian apologizes - They don't mean it

[@SuperHeavyTankE-100]

Lmao yeah

[@Demon__Killer007]

Tell me. Do you bleed?

[@nathanhartanto2544]

You forgot to apologize to your enemies.

[@robb.c.7407]

I love the Haida, I'll never forget the first time I got to go and see her in person, she is a fine Ship.

[@magecraft2]

One thing that saddens me is that in the UK we have so few of our historic ships saved, they scrapped the Warspite for pity's sake :(

[@mammothmk3355]

Well, considering UK pretty much broke after WW2, I.... think there's not much they can do anyway. :P

[@PALME56]

Got to see her fire on Canada day this year

[@anthonyevans7668]

Indeed. Beautiful piece of history in our city.

[@mikecimerian6913]

She was good against other DDs during WWII.

[@iamplay797]

oh cool thanks flamu i was waiting for this you ROCK sir

[@iamplay797]

and even tho people say its not a good ship for newbs well im sorry but im Canadian and that's the ship im gonna learn to play destroyer with hahaha and no im not gonna apologize either ) thanks for the review

[@S110SUBMAN]

One think to mention: WG listened to Canadians and changed the configuration of flags! Now u can choose between the Commonwealth or the Canadian flag!

[@sealight78]

Just got her today, you got me all excited and although you're not wrong, I didn't realize we had the same flag as the Brits back then/in-game. *Sad Canadian noises

[@elGringo69]

@@sealight78 The RCN used the white ensign till like '64.

[@DarkxOver]

rip shira, the only strengh you had left after all that powercreep is gone now, may you rest in peace and never stop the poi

[@raphiontherocks1591]

my thoughts exactly. but then, shira is still a fun bote and i will keep playing her.

[@LiveGoDaYDaYs]

rip akatsuki get out spot out gun almost out run as well

[@raphiontherocks1591]

Stealthy Icytail to be fair, akatsuki's gun power shouldn't be underestimated. you can deal 3k damage every 7s if you hit the mark. torps are god tier as well. it's the detection that really hurts this ship, but gun angles are decent for kiting, so keep them hot.

[@DarkxOver]

akatsuki is fine, as you said good guns, decent torps (not god tier at all lol, the detection is still absolutely terrible). its a fun ship, no issues with that

[@mrandersson1082]

Liked the Perth, love this one. Spot on Flamu with the things you said. I find this ship very fun to play, tho the radar meta is a pain, there are still things with the tools you got you can pull off for a fun game.

[@BruhPK]

Its like what Jingles said, this thing is very strong in the hands of an exceptional captai and not everyone is going to like how its supposed to be played.

[@Darkhorse393]

Wonder if the quadruple torp launcher could be reconfigured to act like four single launchers and reload a bit faster with each tube reloading as soon as they are shot?

[@supravlieg]

All I can think of is that I forget to count the number of times I heard the word 'fun'

[@sealight78]

Fun. (+1)

[@HitomiNee]

KENADA!~ lol. glad to see a ship from my home country.

[@00bean00]

What about IFHE for the 25mm cruisers and/or BBs?

[@Zust0]

New Canadian weed based Smoke

[@zumkzwxwq]

this kinda reminds me the CBT DD where 5 DDs on both teams all have 65s+ smoke DDs would mostly crawl in the smoke and force spot each other at 2km real fun time lol (and the old days DDs had citidals and torpedo tubes hit are automatic detonation 100%)

[@riphaven]

i hear its powered by maple syrup and snow.

[@michaelsndergaard2912]

hey Flamu. i just got this ship in a super container. with the new cv system, does this ship still work as you have informed in the vid?

[@Theranthrope]

Haida's secondary build is OP.

[@raphiontherocks1591]

Sounds like a fun bote, but the detection range is a bit too good imho... spotting in a shira gets even riskier now. *sadly pois away*.

[@ME262MKI]

A good example in how a premium ship must be, strong in some points weak in others

[@OssyTK]

Jesus-it can smoke up entire map.

[@beesleyben]

This has a pair of 102mm dual purpose secondaries. I would like to see a viable secondary build for those or for them to be used as a main battery but with different characteristics. To make this ship truly unique.

[@Maddog3060]

Pretty much the same opinion I've been hearing about the Haida, and it fits with what I've played in it so far. Not for newbies, but if you like playing DDs and you like being aggressive in 'em then this ship might fit your bill. The HE makes her a damn good DD-hunter.

[@SuperHeavyTankE-100]

How do I get the Canadian Camo

[@EdHunter55]

Bought this thing yesterday, A bit expensive with the canadian cammo but damn what a fun little ship! Personally though I prefer hydroacoustic search mod 1 instead of propulsion mod 1

[@bustyblackmama]

Leave it to the Canadian ship to be running around the map with a big cloud of smoke behind it

[@frankvc5899]

Great I got a 20% coupon for celebrating my 3 years WoWs account and I was looking at this ship And thks to you Flamu, I may actually buy a Canadian destroyer, which I really didn’t thought it could be good, specially for a not DD player as myself (I have good numbers but I don’t like much playing DDs. The exception is my recently bought Gaede)

[@Trades46]

As a Canadian I still didn't have time to actually go down to visit Haida. I should go sometime this summer. As for the ship in-game, at T7 it is rather unique but it feels quite specialized. A good DD hunter, but with only 4 torpedoes, long reload, crap AA & the Perth smoke makes it a rather high skill ship to play well.

[@DazBull26]

first game in this ship and killed 3 enemy dds. liking this ship atm

[@sealight78]

Get this man a Pupper's

[@Omegawerewolfx]

14-3 in randoms with the Haida right now. I never use AP, it's 100% HE. I mainly rely on the torps except when facing weaker DDs. The French DDs, Cossacks, and Akizukis are the hardest to fight against. Also used it in the ranked sprint for a ton of wins and XP.

[@trlacr1781]

FR DDs have garbage DPM w/o reload booster (except mogador, he's a threat even without). So when you catch a Guépard, Vauquelin or Le Fantasque by surprise, having the best HE DPM of t7 won't be fun for them.

[@purplerodri5982]

This is how i play my haida 1. I shoot them until they start to burn 2. Torp them 3. Laugh hysterically 4. Repeat

[@Dangerdude132]

You can literally buy the Haida just for that ridiculous smoke; it's so strong to just gunboat for a few minutes without the risk of getting torp spammed by another DD by sitting in one spot.

[@iamplay797]

yea its fun that smoke but hey with all the radar well meh got me killed alot thinking I was safe in it

[@Crunchbite_Daimyo]

That's the great thing about that smoke though. You get lit up by some radar and you just take your smoke and leave and once out of range you still have time to gun down whatevers around you.

[@KnodsilMemeMaker]

One big downside is the simple fact that it is a commonwealth ship. So captains arent transferable. (Except with the Perth)

[@TheDOWfan]

That's why I'm giving it a miss tbh

[@chrisquirk7219]

Something WG needs to change. Plenty of RN captains served on Commonwealth ships during WW2

[@TK-fk4po]

I’d use my vampire capt

[@wino0000006]

Still better than with Blyska - the only Polish warship in game.

[@Kletterhase]

"Jaws themed DD" METAPHOR POLICE! OPEN UP!

[@Gulaschiltis]

stealthiest DD on t7, with moving smoke, hydro and best HE alpha. Blancing @ WG

[@Deathbyreality1]

No IFHE?

[@TheRealTomGreen]

Im surprised as well. Honestly i found the HAIDA started to shine with a little IFHE love.. if i was him that's what i would spend those last 4 skill points on.

[@KaybeCA]

It's rare to find people who think of putting IFHE on DDs as it's really not useful at high tiers where most of their captains sit. But in Haida's case, her captain is basically spending all his time on this ship. And since Haida is tier 7, grabbing IFHE allows her to use that fantastic HE on even battleship plating her tier ... or at worst, non-USN or KM heavy cruisers at tiers 8 and 9. And curiously, IFHE also buffs her secondary turret so that it actually damages higher tier DDs, so food for thought.

[@ianthompson6554]

I will be using my Perth captain, who will use IFHE once I get the points. Not a bad multi-purpose captain tbh

[@frankdantuono2594]

The Canadian Terminator!

[@sealight78]

It doesn't breathe, it doesn't sleep, it absolutely will not stop until you have been apologized to and offered a toke.

[@frankdantuono2594]

@@sealight78 He'll find the beers, he'll kill the beers. That's what he dose, THAT'S ALL HE DOES!

[@TDTNightmare]

Will they fix the look of the ship? real Haida has 215 on the hull not G63

[@jlthiess]

TDTNightmare It was commissioned and served in WW2 as G63. The in-game model is in WW2 configuration, before guns were removed to make way for ASW mortars. Use your Google-fu.

[@bandi7966]

Hey Flamu! Did you test it with the bigger smoke cloud skill?

[@MrJohnnyb74]

I bought the Haida and it's been winning more than losing for me with a couple of 1st place finishes in only 6-7 matches.

[@HlodPloh]

can you smoke-sail at 1/2 speed if you take the smokescreen expert skill?

[@DazBull26]

i think you can

[@iamplay797]

mmm I like that idea thanks for the pro tip im gonna try it

[@KaybeCA]

I'm actually really curious about this too.

[@rjeffm1]

Not in Perth - so prolly not in Haida

[@iamplay797]

Jeff Hardy oh..so its a no go then?

[@destroyerinazuma96]

What I'm surprised about is it has effectively four turrets, but WG didn't make the secondary 102 mm one manual and fire-able at will. I don't think that would make the ship OP, but apparently WG thinks otherwise.

[@japa8111]

How would you compare Haida with Blyskawica, which one is better, or how do they differ in gameplay (beside the smoke ofcourse).

[@TheInteligenceOvWar]

What game is this?

[@sizzlechestmcmurphy4365]

Once you figure out how to play this ship, it's monstrously effective.

[@XYZTORNADO]

it was retired by wargaming...what was the problem with her?, it only was during 6 months, Does someone know why it was retired?

[@MrRay168]

when only perth have the special smoke i thought it was just some dumb gimmick then i got this haida and just laughed my ass off seeing how all the dd try to torp my moving smoke and fail

[@bekk12]

Flolo confirmed skreb for going to C on this map lul

[@lordofkiwi5144]

It got secondaries guns, let's go full secondaries build !

[@KnodsilMemeMaker]

Honestly I hoped they would make that single secondary gun a fun gimic. Were it has 5 KM range, and being stupidly accurate, so it could help out a little in knifefights with other DD's. Image earning a Close Quarter Expert award......with a destroyer

[@iamplay797]

haha NO

[@janiser4711]

I once got Close Quarter Expert in a Kiev...

[@rohultima]

It's 4km. Think you can get it up to 6.5 . Haha

[@TK-fk4po]

How bout running smoke screen expert?

[@ussxrequin]

T K Like Huang He, I doubt it'll let you move 1/2 speed.

[@DarkRendarius]

this can work well if you play in a division with someone and lets you both move under cover of smoke... more room to maneuver and keep both ships hidden

[@kampfsau9997]

Isnt this ship the Cossack, wich you hadnt that much good to say about, just renamed and with added hydro?

[@Lahnapihvi]

Haida has more health, better firing angles on both the torpedo launcher and the turrets, comes with a hydro and it has narrow spread and single spread, instead of Cossacks wide and single spread on its torps. Haida addresses the problems Flamu had with Cossack, and that's why it's much better.

[@errgh1257]

A ship with worse firing angles than the Haida? Oh no

[@aditya.sagraha]

The Cossack (Gen 3) has 4 turrets now, combining GM & Haida's turret layout, and 5.1 km concealment, plus hydro, with normal smokes

[@Lahnapihvi]

Cossack is also tier 8 now with those changes.

[@genericpersonx333]

I can confirm the Haida needs skill because I have sunk most I have seen despite the supposed firepower and concealment advantages. Heck, I shot one to death in a Fubuki. Most players at this time, July of 2018, using Haida are clearly not the experienced hands needed to make it shine. That said, it should be a great ship for those few who understand; Just like the Graf Spee back in the day.

[@rohultima]

Eustace Stritchers it's like any premium. Some ppl buy beyond their skill level. I've seen good and bad Haida players.

[@Admajors]

"Couldn't be bothered to boost to 19-pt commander" and has 3.7 mil commander exp lol

[@sealight78]

Sorry

[@queueray3658]

OH CANADA!

[@sealight78]

Dead guy: More camping on c Flam: dude wat? Are you drunk? Dead guy: LUCKER MOR NOT!!

[@CJR505]

Just bought this ship. Seems War Gaming modified and BALANCED (Downgraded) this ship after your video. They also removed the smoke generator modification option as well. I've only played a few games in the Haida, but WTF is going on with this ship. I know how to play DD's, but for some reason it feels like this ship is nothing close to being the Gunboat it's been promoted to be prior to the release. Have you played this ship recently Flamu? Do you know if War Gaming downgraded or altered this ship after your review and prior to its release tot he public? I know this is a challenging ship, but this thing feels and plays like absolute garbage. Good concealment, etc.. but it has a hard time competing at Tier 7.

[@tretrei7967]

Did anyone ever tell you that you probably have the most awesome voice on this PLANET?!

[@ussxrequin]

Tre Trei I like Nyanners more.

[@thomasduhamel6766]

maple syrup smoke clouds

[@philstaples8122]

Looks like this ship will be very painful for most to play, it's not a torp ship and it's not a gunship, the concealment is just a little better than most but not enough to make much difference, it has gimmick selfish smoke and Hydro so not much a team player ship. But if you're an extremely good player you can seal club in it until the enemy players figure out your weaknesses than it will be just another tier 7 usually playing in tier 9 games.................

[@KaybeCA]

It very much IS a gunship. It's just that you have to get reeeeeeal close, lol

[@rohultima]

It's perfectly fine as a gunship. Put BFT on it. Down to 4.5 seconds. 6 shells. If you can aim well...you punish the snot out of other DD. If close enough...you're secondary will kick in 🤣 I'm playing mine very different from flamu. But still having a blast with it. 😁 Making me think way outside the box for playing it. Just came up with new ideas for torp trickery and useage. Have already applied to other DD and results are good !

[@rejneq]

my name is haïda

[@erikbejdak6401]

Hi Flamu, maybe you can do a new commentary for Indianapolis. From Today start SPAM with this ship on T7 so your audience can get a new tips..

[@hoaxpositive]

First view, and like Haida is beast!! It torn up one game I had just then

[@ToxikWarrior]

This Atlanta makes me just angry....

[@ciregod]

Flamu i never noticed how biased you were untill now

[@mylenewhalen5375]

That Prien_U47 guy has hidden stats. I wonder why. Oh wait, I don't wonder why. The first person to flame their own team is always the worst player on it!

[@gavindavies4225]

featuring the new t7 premium destroyer..... what about the fact its the first ever Canadian Warship in this game, and he has the Canada camo? And he doesn't even mention that. wow.

[@sealight78]

He's rockin' that camo, though, and to be fair, he doesn't usually say much about countries and lines except where it's relevant to ship characteristics. You're not wrong though.

[@stonecasey7067]

confused_white_man

[@Dornpunzel]

It's not tricky. It's fucking op. I just had one against me in my shira and it fucked my whole match. Better camo. Moving Smoke. epic.

[@Fighterpilot555]

I'm just praying that when we actually get the fucking Tribals, they have eight 120mm guns, not this 6x120 2x100 bullshit, TRIBALS HAVE A FUCKTON OF GUNS, GIMME.

[@ryebaz88]

A fucking leaf

[@pinkyandbrain123]

T7 DD. Ending up in a full T7 MM without CV. ‚not a favorable matchmaking‘. Really? 🙃

[@Thecapper-c8f]

first

[@giorgoss_gr7720]

Ah damn

[@GirlyKat9001]

To get swarmed by the enemy team

[@Thecapper-c8f]

GirlyCat9001 In battle, the one who torps, win. Up then left

[@giorgoss_gr7720]

Runner357 lol

[@fanatik2134]

Boring ship

[@lubossoltes321]

96 sec for a 4x launcher is the norm ... so nothing special there ....

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Lubos Soltes it is ONE launcher... Not like most DDs double launcher

[@lubossoltes321]

Since when is reload cumulative for the number of weapons ?

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Lubos Soltes 4 or 8 torpedoes... 1 or 2 launchers... Try getting Harugumo 6 tubes launcher reloading in 96 seconds

[@lubossoltes321]

Hmm ... I have the impression that this is the HAIDA review ....