Haiku OS - What Is It?

[@GavinFreeborn]

Just wanted to say you are one of if not my favorite Linux youtube. You are awesome at listening to your fans without getting boring and following every trend. Keep up the good work man!

[@DistroTube]

Gavin Freeborn Thanks!

[@charlie4christ536]

The pleasures of sin last for only a season, and then comes destruction. Christ is the only one who can fill the void in your life!Jesus is the only way to Heaven according to John 14:6. All have sinned and so all fall short to God's perfect standard, that's why Christ was sent to die in our place! Be grateful and accept Him as your Lord and Savior!

[@baseballguy2001]

BeOS was way ahead of it's time. I ran it on an old Macintosh 7600 back in the 90's and it was mind blowing fast. It blew away the old Mac OS, it was ridiculous. The Be team thought they had Apple over a barrel but they underestimated the NeXT team. Apple ultimately made the right choice. It took years, but the BSD foundation was the future. I'm not a code warrior, but it sure seems to me the BeOS should have been a lot more valuable than a left over Desktop OS.

[@PearComputingDevices]

I was am early developer for both BeOS and Haiku. I still own a Power Mac 7600 I used to run run BeOS on back in the day. Very awesome operating system. It was also very fast even on that hardware. Haiku on the right hardware is very fast and stable. But that's also kind of key. I even still own a BeOS bible. I enjoyed the fact you could run dual CPUs right out of box, threaded. BeOS was ahead of it's day.

[@jjbailey01]

I have it running on a SuperMicro X7DCL-I with dual quad-core Xeons and 32G ram. It's beautifully stable. Heck, Haiku's alpha was used in production systems for years before the beta was released.

[@Mikinct]

imagine pure BeOS on 2020 hardware today?

[@Ensue85A]

Haiku actually makes me happy on a daily bases...no adware, no viruses, no extra woooshy crap to steal your cycles...just chugging along...

[@eggomanic]

Sweet!

[@genesisgrant2620]

i know it is quite off topic but does anyone know of a good place to watch new series online?

[@anthonythomas489]

@Genesis Grant Flixportal =)

[@genesisgrant2620]

@Anthony Thomas thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !!

[@anthonythomas489]

@Genesis Grant Glad I could help =)

[@WDCallahan]

Don't forget blender is also a video editor!

[@AnonEMoose-mr8jm]

I absolutely love Haiku's tracker. I like the idea of having a menu with all of my open windows as opposed to the task bar which takes up screen real estate. On Linux, something like Fluxbox with the tracker would be awesome.

[@Ensue85A]

VLC needs to be ported for the Haiku OS....?!?!

[@MaktownTV]

VLC is a must have install on any OS 😎 -- Watching 1990s anime MKVs on my 32-inch screen brings me right back to my 1998-2004 days.

[@febed01]

There is QMplay2, which can also be used as a YT client

[@sfuoncall]

Just saw another video running Beta 2 and VLC seemed to be available.

[@xamp_exclammark]

5 years later VLC is availiable on Haiku Depot (idk what the package manager is actually called that's just the frontend)

[@abucketofelves]

Backgrounds is just below appearance in the menu there

[@cthedosboss5113]

thanks DT i will look in this os looks really cool :)

[@Tuishimi]

BeOS / Haiku has other interesting features. BFS (Be File System) for example is pretty amazing and applications like Mail use it to store email in a text file along with the meta data in a separate file thread... it is almost database like in nature and you can query attributes dynamically in applications, or at the terminal level. Also, tabbed windows. You can drag them to the bottom and align them as tabs that you can then click on and show... cool things like that. BeOS was amazing.

[@jjbailey01]

Haiku actually has stack and tile now. You can glue windows together in stacks using the tabs like you would in a browser. You can also glue them together as tiles. Things have come a long way since the BeOS days.

[@IzludeTingel]

Isnt this what the Longhorn WinFS was supposed to do before they scrapped it?

[@jjwachter82]

Stack and Tile is awesome. I don’t do any real work on my Haiku vm, but would love Stack and Tile in Linux or macOS

[@robsku1]

@@jjwachter82 Some "floating window" type WM's for Linux (not necessarily limited to...) have some of these features. Like Fluxbox, I don't know or remember if you could glue windows together by their sides, but it definitely had tabbed windows... I really liked that with browsers (usually having multiple browser windows open) and terminal windows. Tiling window managers usually are able to do both. However if you specifically want floating windows and these abilities, I don't know if any exist that has both. I wouldn't be surprised (much) if there was one however. Edit: I've also been testing KDE Plasma a bit (though I'm not planning to continue with it), and it does have tabbing windows too - unfortunately I've been unable to find a keybinding that could switch between active windows tabs only, and that's a major bummer for me. I can't say for sure there isn't one and I've just missed it though.

[@ant.upptech]

Well, ReactOS now and for a lomg time already targets NT5.2, which is XP/Server 2003 and thus is newer than W2K - NT5.0, and of course, it's not Win98.

[@robsku1]

I was wondering about this as I thought I'd read it targeting (if that's the right word... well, it'll do) later versions than DT said some years ago already... I just didn't know if they had set some specific target (that they still could change later though) or if they were simply trying to take it as far as they could (like still playing catch-up with XP on some parts while on other parts that were already achieved XP compatibility they might be working to make it Vista, 7 or even Win11 compatible - just as completely imaginary example). It's an interesting project, and it might have indirectly benefited me as they have also contributed to Wine (and the other way around), but despite the fact that I may want to run some Windows only applications, I don't have need for a clone of an OS that I don't want anyway ;) But I do find it very interesting and I've meant to try it in a VM for a long time now - not because I'm expecting to find any actual use for it, but just out of curiosity :)

[@Yasharvl]

Derek, thanks a lot for the great presentation. It's a delight to find out about a BeOS based OS in 2018/19.

[@Tuishimi]

I used to eat, drink and sleep BeOS. *sigh*

[@biplabroy8991]

thanks for the detailed video. It is helpful. keep up the good work.

[@DistroTube]

Thanks!

[@Hebrew42Day]

12:54 - beAE *a well featured audio editor*

[@MarkHobbes]

Is it available for Linux?

[@jjbailey01]

@@MarkHobbes No. It's native to Haiku's APIs.

[@TheSulross]

Really would like to see a leaner, meaner UNIX-like OS with a very friendly, fast and highly responsive GUI. That would run fast on older Pentium hardware. And looks like Haiku is exactly that OS. Looks like they have strived to incorporate BSD drivers - makes sense to leverage device drivers from an existing, mature OS, but would seem to make more sense to strive after compatibility with Linux device drivers, as Linux, of course gets a lot of development resource love (far more so than BSD). May be some licensing or technical matters going on their, so will need to investigate. But imagine if Haiku could use USB, WiFI, file system, video card drivers from Linux? That would give it a tremendous leg up. Then strive for good POSIX API compliance and even maybe some compatibility to Linux-only APIs, and some kind of XWindows library - would make it easier to port over Linux desktop applications. All in all, this is one of the most interesting alternative OS outside of Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD - and given all the retro love around theses days, that it's appearance evokes that sensibility is really a plus.

[@jjbailey01]

Why do all that when you could just use Linux? You're literally proposing to rip the heart and soul out of Haiku and replace it with Linux. Which would make it not so older Pentium friendly.

[@jeffreysanfilippo6030]

Use VMware Hakiue has VMware drivers

[@fubaralakbar6800]

It looks like something you might have seen on late model Amiga or an Atari TT.

[@premier69]

YES! i thought so too! I am wondering if this is only as a proof of concept because, as fun as this is, why use it?

[@openscholar9908]

Looks a lot like an old Amiga my dad had. I can see haiku in my near future.

[@stutavagrippa8690]

I would recommend that the Haiku developers check for if the computer is good enough to install.

[@sudipchatterjee]

About time, DT, for you to have a look at it. Well done!

[@TheGruselmops]

Very Interesting. Great Channel.

[@DistroTube]

ctrlPain Appreciate that!

[@karmaduq]

Are you not aware of the stack and tile window features? Missed out, because they're a big part of why everything looks like a tab.

[@sandrodellisanti1139]

in 2002 i was into the openBeOS Creative Team, this was nice..

[@nishitadash971]

Sir, haiku os uses which memory allocation algorithm and which page replacement policy? And how do we install gcc in our system with haiku? This is for our case study. Pls help....😢🥺

[@DistroTube]

I make KZbin videos. I don't spend all day researching other people's problems. otherwise I would never get anything done in life. You will get much better (and much faster) help by asking such questions in the proper places....like at the Haiku site. There are likely hundreds of people that use Haiku waiting to help you there., instead of asking one random person on KZbin who made a video about Haiku a year ago. Best of luck.

[@stephencothran3702]

Is haiku a bsd or an all new OS with no Unix?

[@cultofsogga5863]

Just make a donation, guys!!! Just give the haiku to live!

[@kevinklement2621]

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work at all for me when connected to a projector or external monitor; even the primary display wouldn't work properly in those conditions. Otherwise, it seemed pretty neat.

[@jjbailey01]

Depends on your hardware.

[@verstrahlt1907]

Greetings. Where can I find HaikuDepot (or the alpha1 does not have it)? Also network (WiFi) does not work... any ideas? I shold install the Beta1...

[@verstrahlt1907]

I downloaded and installed the Beta2... now there is a Depot, but the WiFi is still not working on the hp zd8000

[@MichaelMcEuin]

No "htop", but "top" is included in standard install.

[@jmitra95]

What WIFI adapters would work with it? Also can you do VLC? on it?

[@lorenzocabrini]

Hold on there. What do you mean "way back in the 90s"? I remember the 90s like it was yesterday.

[@MiroslavRD]

Since it's in beta, installer discretion is advised unless you install it into a virtual machine.

[@TheDave570]

wont work for me boots up to a black screen!!

[@danke236]

Ohh.. yes.. I'm back again DT

[@DistroTube]

Welcome back, Danke. Hope you are doing well.

[@Subzearo]

It doesn't hav Wine?

[@CrustyAbsconder]

I assume that it would be hard to catch a virus or malware while using Haiku. Right ? I could run my tiny business with this if my scanner, printer, internet, worked. I am using a new web-app called Xenfax, that I need to send very important faxes. I wonder if it would work. I like to play Aisleriot Solitaire and Gnome Mahjongg. So I would be curious if there are similar games in Haiku.

[@rogerlow9107]

Almost no virus for haiku

[@ianpaul0520]

PLS REVIEW zorin Os and Solus Os

[@DistroTube]

Christian Fall Looked at both a few months ago on the channel. In sure I'll revisit both in future releases.

[@ianpaul0520]

@@DistroTube oh.. Thank you, btw great work.

[@stutavagrippa8690]

I used Haiku on a Lenovo Thinkpad X220 for the time of 1 hour, then I removed it. The main problem (I used Beta 2) was the Web Browser is VERY unstable. It not only crashed the web browser, it kernel panicked my laptop.

[@IzludeTingel]

Is Intel Management Engine nullified with these kinds of OSes?

[@trannusaran6164]

Izlude Tingel Intel Management Engine is independent of your OS. So no, unfortunately :(

[@verstrahlt1907]

it needs Gimp, Inkscape... and more unique features and extras; also more programs should have the desktop-replicant option...

[@henrikpetersson3463]

BeOS was so far ahead of its time. I wish they would have ported Haiku to ARM and made it touch capable. It would kick Androids bloated ass instead of being the tiny niche desktop OS it is.

[@jjbailey01]

I'm pretty certain Be Inc. tried to do something like that. It was called BeIA. It is quite often cited as a major reason that Be Inc. tanked. Focus. Not focus shift. That is the goal of Haiku.

[@henrikpetersson3463]

@@jjbailey01 I believe that BeIA had been successful had they had the finances to continue business for a few more years. Or if Palm had managed to leverage on the platform. It was very ahead of the times and that market didn't really take off until a decade later. When Haiku was finally in a somewhat working state it was way too late to the desktop game, but it would have been a lot better timed to the mobile market.

[@arydeoliveira4579]

nice video

[@DistroTube]

Thanks, Ary.

[@asedonii-chan8466]

I pray to allah that he assist you in your fight against cancer brother

[@emmanuelgxlden7170]

Can you try Reborn OS man it's great rom that's expanding at a faster rate with a great community on Discord

[@Henk717]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJPNnpdvdrWhqdk

[@doigt6590]

now beta 3

[@logangraham2956]

blender can do video editing as well.

[@softwarelivre2389]

Do Redox OS, the microkernel based Rust Operating System.

[@LloydLynx]

Haiku is the only OS that can get away with using a white terminal theme.

[@dustinmorse8497]

I'd sure like to see a review of ReactOS. I want to run Windows 98 programs. Yes, it's Command & Conquer.

[@dustinmorse8497]

@No Name I know. I just want to see DT change the wallpaper in ReactOS 😁

[@Ensue85A]

@@dustinmorse8497 LOLOLOL

[@arieugon4]

I just install it for the first time today. It is nice ... But some bash-shell commands like 'finddir' are not documented. It used in a script to download firmwares about wifi cards. And it's told that we can run it on linux to download them, but linux don't know this command. And I've not seen what is doing this command exactly to rewrite the script to run it on linux. It's extremly difficult to find the driver for a QCA9377 802.11ac Qualcomm Atheros wifi card. I'm french, so excuse me please for my aproximative english ;-) I am just stoped, and don't like this situation. Anyway if anyone have got a answer to this problem ... Regards

[@jjbailey01]

Psst... Haiku doesn't have a CoC.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

Yay! Source code we can go be assholes in!

[@jjbailey01]

@@thegardenofeatin5965 actually the Haiku team finds both politeness and merit to be badges of honor. This is the culture prevalent in the Haiku ecosystem. We see codifying it in policy as superfluous and counterproductive to producing good code. The Linux ecosystem hasn't been as fortunate. This is apparently due to the temper of the original kernel creator and his loyal following. Haiku fortunately has dodged this issue without the need to enforce a written policy. Our lack of a CoC is not indicative of a rude culture. On the contrary, it is a result of the friendly culture we've been cultivating for many years.

[@RegsaGC]

*but can it run doom???*

[@jjbailey01]

Yes it can. It's just waiting for you to submit the patch. 😉

[@user-tm3fz7qx3s]

GZDoom is in the repos.

[@Doryopaint]

live on haiku os for 30 days

[@DistroTube]

I couldn't make these videos on Haiku. I wouldn't have things like OBS, Kdenlive, audacity, etc.

[@Doryopaint]

@@DistroTube OK

[@jjbailey01]

@@DistroTube I agree. Haiku, as great as it is, is still rather limited. However, it remains my favorite OS.

[@TechJolt3d]

A bunch of middleschoolers contributed to this a few a years ago.

[@wangjohn6480]

第一次接触到 安装一个是试一下

[@joseph-danielprevost6812]

When are they ever finish that OS? It's been going on for nearly 20 years. BeOS at the time was a very good OS. Too bad it didn't last. I used to own BeOS 4.0, 4.5, 5.0.

[@nasonaso8356]

It's a small team of part-time developers. Give it time

[@jeffreysanfilippo6030]

My Linux Replacement until I hear some corporation gave them money

[@jjbailey01]

Lol. You better just stop using technology.

[@jjbailey01]

Don't look into what the Linux Foundation is or where it gets it's money. Microsoft has a seat on the LF board, and MS money goes into Linus Torvalds' pocket. You still use Linux? Why? 😂

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

​@@jjbailey01 Microsoft also pays taxes. Oh no! Cancel my citizenship!

[@jjbailey01]

@@thegardenofeatin5965 indeed. 😊

[@jjbailey01]

@Blackie BMW Motorwerks it's TEOTWAWKI

[@SimGunther]

Here's an idea: Haiku + Plan9

[@blazingeek]

:dogheadtilt:

[@SimGunther]

@@blazingeek The light weight nature and developer friendly tools of Plan9 OS could use a modern upgrade to its aesthetics with the Haiku DE. Hence, the collab idea en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

[@jjbailey01]

Haiku isn't a DE. It's a complete, integrated OS. Doing what you're thinking isn't a matter of porting something over to a new OS. You're talking about a complete rewrite of not just one, but two operating systems.

[@pa1kumarbhukya]

Can it run exe files

[@shreyassable4981]

No. It can't.

[@robsku1]

What EXE files? Like, DOS executables? 16-bit Windows executables? OS/2 executables? Various 32-bit Windows executables? Some other operating systems executables that use the file suffix .EXE to indicate the file is supposed to be executable for that system? It doesn't matter though - I just wanted to point out that "exe files" is not just one file format for one OS.

[@DanCalloway]

I installed Haiku and tried to embrace it, but can't. Don't like its look, and operation. They can keep it in development. I'll never use it.

[@Hebrew42Day]

I agree... It's a cool toy, but desktop workflow has come a long way in twenty years.

[@DistroTube]

Elwood M. Buel Agreed on the workflow. We need one of the tiling managers ported over to Haiku.

[@jjbailey01]

@@DistroTube Haiku has stack and tile built in. It wouldn't be too big of an undertaking to use the built in "hey" scripting language to implement a control system to drive Haiku like you would in i3 or similar tiling manager. "Hey" is capable of working at the system level, and is capable of handling the sending and receiving system messages via scripts. It can be used to control windows, size, position, type, etc. Porting existing X based window managers might be an exercise in futility. There is nothing really X like in the way Haiku displays graphics. Haiku also has Shortcuts, which is just a relabeling of SpicyKeys from BeOS. It's a bit like QuickKeys for Mac. You can assign any key combo at the OS level to call scripts, programs or anything else you could call from the command line, including applications. Back to stack and tile... Haiku has the basis to take tiling windows up a notch. Notice those title tabs instead of bars? They are like that so you can stack windows like tabs in a browser. Imagine tiles that also have stacks of windows. Haiku is almost there natively. We just need more devs working on stuff like this.

[@bearclaw10]

Haiku is where we have to go now that Linux got CoC'd

[@runnicdesign5272]

no.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

Go right on ahead.

[@bearclaw10]

The Garden of Eatin ok

[@Rundik]

Waifu OS

[@genma986]

Too bad HaikuOS is not a multi user system

[@Xerox482]

its sucks no blender , we need OS where we can install linux , win ,mac applications , more like universal OS

[@rogerlow9107]

i think couple of people have that idea,wonder someone is working on it or not

[@Xerox482]

@@rogerlow9107 ya for that idea to be implemented we will need IDA gods who could ripe apart mac and windows core so that they can be used

[@zz9843-g1w]

Haiku is not good name. Return to back BeOS! OS is not japanese poem.

[@alerey4363]

haiku is a total failure: after 15+ years it's still in beta; just yesterday downloaded the live usb stick version and guess what? no mouse pointer on boot; project really sucks, stucked in a forever-beta state, just sitting here trying to raise money on BeOS nostalgia; but BeOS REALLY WAS A COOL AND PERFORMING MULTIMEDIA DESKTOP OS back in the late 90s (it blew away windows and macos)

[@danielrudilille]

Its sooo UGLY! Back to 90`s...