Using Haiku OS as a Daily Driver?! (Modern BeOS)

[@custardo]

Working in Haiku: You can sorta kinda do Almost anything.

[@Kw1161]

It has been years since grade school Haiku....😅

[@drmgiverdrmgiver5335]

Lol!

[@verstrahlt1907]

...but no dual-screen option

[@YadraVoat]

This should be the tagline of the operating system!! 🤣🤣🤣 And it's so true! Love the responsiveness, a Haiku build of Minetest is available, and at least `find . -exec stat {} \;` works perfectly, but it's pretty insufferable without XFCE.

[@amihartz]

I installed this many years ago I donated to them and they even sent me a version on a disc in its own case and cover art and disc art.

[@bcarr1122]

Haiku's UI is striking; it seems thoughtful, tasteful, and perhaps genuinely elegant. Even for visuals alone, it's simply a nice interface to view.

[@alphaseinor]

It's based on the BeOS, which at the time everyone said looked "simple". I've always liked the UX of BeOS.

[@francoisrevol7926]

Interestingly, in the past decade many people said our UI was dated. Then people got tired of bubble gum and whizbang effects, so slick UIs are now fashionable again :-D

[@bcarr1122]

@@francoisrevol7926 Good design is never dated, just forgotten.

[@gorkskoal9315]

Yeah man, and 90s AF looking as well. IMO that's a good thing.

[@dstinnettmusic]

Linux gets all the open source love (and for good reason, it is well supported and works great), so it sucks for all these other alternatives don’t get a ton of love and support.

[@awesomeferret]

There are exceptions though, I'm likely going to revert to Windows on a few computers in my house because I really don't want to buy a new printer in principle. It can be frustrating how much more stuff just works properly with Windows and improperly with Linux. I know it's amazing that Linux works as well as it does driver wise, but sometimes Windows is much more stable and reliable when it comes to driver support. And as a person with a preference for open source software, this can be very very frustrating, especially when a Linux based OS speeds up a computer but it makes it less stable.

[@paulie-g]

​@@woodypigeon No, this is (mostly) a myth. The 'bloat' is largely drivers that are included in distro-supplied kernels meant to be universal, ie run on the largest reasonable amount of hw. You can build a more minimal kernel or use a distro that's designed for your use case. The not-myth part is that Linux has, in recent years, understandably made some design choices that trade memory for performance. It is simply not reasonable to sacrifice performance on current hardware in service of first-class support for 20 year old laptops. However, it is not particularly likely that this would present a problem for you. Nothing wrong with Haiku, and the more open-source OS projects there are, the better. However, you're still going to be better off even using an older Linux distro from back when your hardware was explicitly targeted. Plenty of stuff will still compile and run on them just fine. Older FreeBSD releases and even current NetBSD releases are also good options.

[@Swansen03]

i think about reactOS

[@imaginaoYouTubesoquecomarrobas]

I feel like one of the reasons why this happened is because Linux got companies' support and Haiku OS will most likely never get it. I know this may sound bonkers when you first hear it, because most companies still have exclusive support to Windows, but lots of popular Linux distros are company-driven, and companies love to use the Linux kernel for server-side stuff. This kind of support is something Haiku doesn't get since, just like it was pointed out in the video, there's basically only one company who sells Haiku software.

[@awesomeferret]

@«tutacat» apparently the opposite is true for the Brother printer that I have. I'm not going to deny my own experiences just because it doesn't match up with yours.

[@C64SX]

Back in the early 2000's I was working IT support at Sony Ericsson. One day a disk crashed in a developers Windows 2000 desktop, and as usual important non backuped files on it. After trying all the back then usual tricks to read the files on the disk, to no avail, I got the idea to put the disk in a computer that I was trying out BeOS on. And there they were, all the missing files that Windows didn't manage to read. BeOS saved that developers day :)

[@karmaduq]

More interface details: - Window tabs can be slid across the top - Tracker has adjustable width - Tracker is dockable on any side, including top and bottom as a bar - Mouse focus is an option

[@qubex]

Sliding window tabs backwards and forwards was my favourite trick when I used to run BeOS 4.5... happy memories.

[@looncraz]

And all system colors are live updating - practically every native app uses the system color system. I have to make a shout out to the feature I spent a couple months on ;-)

[@ActionRetro]

Love the video! I've had Haiku on an old ThinkPad for years, using their excellent programming materials to finally get almost okay-ish at C. Such a beautiful, fast and clean experience.

[@atemoc]

Oh, good to see you there ! :D I have Haiku installed on an old Lenovo ThinkPad SL510, but I have some issues with it (the biggest being that all types of input doesn't work or work for just half a second after boot nine times out of ten), but I think those issues are because this ThinkPad actually uses a lot of IdeaPad firmware etc

[@prof_skits]

I thought that was C++

[@pseudotasuki]

Heh. I'm here because of your video about reinstalling BeOS on a TAM.

[@ActionRetro]

@@pseudotasuki Haha amazing! Dan Wood was basically my inspiration for starting a KZbin channel in the first place. Full circle!

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

Heeeeeeey!

[@wcarver2150]

This reminds me of using the Amiga during its last days - finding alternative ways of doing daily tasks and viewing content from the internet. What a life it was :)

[@PeppermintSwirl]

Its last update is from late 2021

[@PixelShade]

This is really cool! I remember installing BeOS, a 486 release back in the 90's and I was basically hoping that it would change the OS market and become the primary operating system! I liked it a lot back in the days!

[@sbrazenor2]

I actually used to use BeOS back when it was still a thing. I was really sad and angry to see it killed off. Palm bought the company to make their Palm OS multi-threaded, and killed the OS in the process. They could have saved the OS and made something better, but they were stupid. 😕

[@nickwallette6201]

Yeah, but that IP was so helpful in the burgeoning PDA market, so who's laughing now?! .... OK, yeah, that whole debacle almost put me in therapy back then.

[@pocketstationman6364]

I can't imagine how bad that must have felt. What a bunch of idiots

[@billkaroly]

narrow minded people make dumb decisions.

[@steveyoung3130]

@@billkaroly Like Scully, tried to do to Apple, until some folks on Apple's board woke up & decided Mr. Jobs might be worth re-highering, again

[@pseudotasuki]

I've heard claims that parts of BeOS ended up in WebOS (which is still being used by LG, apparently) but I've never seen any confirmation of that. It seems unlikely, though.

[@philosoaper]

I used BeOS for a couple of years back then, loved it and have closely followed Haiku OS development ever since..

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Oh _that's_ why your voice sounds so familiar, I'm in your station's area. Pretty sure I've heard you during taxi rides and at my local shop.

[@LoriH2O]

I bought the PC release of BeOS when it first came out and quite loved it. Was my daily driver for a while back in the day. It had some really interesting things going for it at the time. The multitasking of course was first class. The file system was always kinda interesting too as you could use it as a database. I've been following Haiku for years and I'm glad to see people are still working on it.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I literally installed this in a virtual machine just yesterday and I was really shocked at how quickly it did it. It was basically so quick that if I blinked I would have missed it. It only took about a second or so. I thought it was doing some sort of pre-installation check, but nope, it was the actual installation. Crazy.

[@AlonsoVPR]

I used to have a BeOS partition back in the day.. I remember my pentium 3 having better screen resolution and performance than Windows 98 It was beautiful but never found enough software

[@happysmash27]

I'm actually incredibly impressed! I didn't expect anywhere *close* to that level of compatibility and stability! Apparently even Blender works on Haiku too. That is a big part of my daily workflow and an incredibly powerful program! Sadly no GIMP though, or Krita. Also web support is lacking. And of course, tons of games won't work on it... but even when I judge it based on my own workflow, actually using Haiku as a daily driver somehow seems kind of feasible, which I did not expect at all. I'm curious what programming and command line things are like on Haiku. A huge proportion of the things I do on my computer are through the command line, and this didn't seem to go over that at all.

[@龗]

gimp now :) still unfortunately lacking in the web support, i recommend epiphany (gnome web)

[@uweburger]

Gimp and Krita are here now ;)

[@simonj48]

i saw a thread on reddit with a youtube video installing lasarus on haiku last week for programming, so really neat to see you using it for the week. i tried using haiku on real hardware but i kept getting small micro-stutter lockups anytime there was sound being used. someone said it was a bug in multicore cpus and to disable them in the bios but that didn't work for me otherwise i could have used it full time what's interesting for me is the ARM progress... to have a real alternative to linux on the raspberry pi would be amazing, no less the way things are moving to wards ARM CPU in general

[@guspaz]

I've been using OS 9 a bunch recently, and while there are definitely a ton of pain points compared to modern operating systems, there's something to be said for the simple and clean UI of mid 90s operating systems which has been lost in modern operating systems like Windows and OS X. That's something that BeOS (and Haiku by extension) has managed to maintain in the present day.

[@Sithhy]

Man, I wish Haiku would've succeeded earlier & be atleast as recognizable as Linux is now. I feel like it would be a great competitor to current OS's, be it on desktop or mobile, primarily due to its uniqueness & user experience

[@Flackon]

I mean as of writing this comment, the current Haiku OS release is still beta 3 while Linux has been production ready for over 20 years... Give it some time!

[@sluxi]

Linux was already a big deal when Haiku was just getting started so it never really stood a chance to be recognized anywhere close to when Linux was. Of course there was BeOS that you could even run on your PC back when there was no Haiku but it stayed fairly small too. Haiku could still become a significant alternative OS though, I feel like the thing it's missing the most right now is a decent browser. With a good browser alone you can do a lot.

[@dvdvnr]

Thanks Dan! Like you I followed the news about BeOS back in the day and I did try an older version of Haiku several years ago. Seeing from your video how well it's come on, I downloaded Beta 2, ran up Virtual Box and had it all running (including updates) before your video had ended! Thanks for reminding me about it!

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Libreoffice, Blender and Krita are all ported to Haiku among other Linux programs.

[@keysersoze9651]

Can we build programs from source in this OS??

[@RecordCollector96]

@Taco VLC, yes. Firefox, no.

[@brettdevme7060]

I remember them selling boxes of BeOS (and OS2 Warp) in Woolworths Sydney in the 90's. Thanks for the m.facebook tip.

[@willemvdk4886]

I have installed Haiku a few times in a VM already. I experimented with BeOS in the 90s and Yellowtab Zeta in de 00's. Haiku is better than both, really. So sad there's not enough critical mass behind it user base wise to get enough software on there. A proper browser port would be an extremely powerful gateway "drug" I guess. Firefox on Haiku... I'd love it.

[@Lestibournes]

I'd guess that once they get a stable release there will be much more of a push to port apps.

[@pixelotix]

@@Lestibournes Haiku is 2 decades old 😆 the push for apps is gonna be another decade. Haiku is a fantastic UI/UX, but any modern operating system without a modern web browser, is dead in the water. Flash is gone, there are no more excuses. 😆

[@sluxi]

@@pixelotix I agree a modern web browser is a must have and also makes an OS instantly usable for tons of stuff. Unfortunately it's probably down to not that many people working on this.

[@sweettalkinghippie]

I loved using BeOS back in the day. I still have the install CDs I bought back then. It was amazing how fast it was. I've been following Haiku for the last couple years and have a VM of it on my laptop.

[@RCfromtheNYC]

Wow...great video! I was flashing back to my 90s when I was using the GeoWorks front end that allowed me to do everything, including using America Online (DOS version).

[@Damjes]

You said “chatting with Friends”. I couldn’t find it in Haiku Depot. Where can one get Friends from?

[@MrYossarianuk]

I'm now dual booting this with my main system (Manjaro Linux). It is a very snappy system and very minimalist (although some Linux DE's are even more minimalist than this.) For me this is a play around/experiment system (at least for now).

[@djtrias]

Very nice presentation... one tip from an old beos user... you can move start button to a deskbar ,by click and drag the right separator 3dots....

[@jkbenedict]

I contributed a Firefox build in one of the Alphas because NetPositive was lacking. They rejected it because "I didn't observe the spirit of the BeOS folder structure". So glad to see people still progressing be this because I miss BeOS soooooo much.

[@alexanderwingeskog758]

As an Amiga user I loved the screen setup. You could have different screens with different resolutions and just Amiga+M to shift them. Or for some comparing drag them with the mouse. That was one of all things I missed about the Amiga and I saw the evolution (try to "capture" that easy way of doing things) for the Windows PC users when I worked as consultant... It started with users who had to have 2-3 programs up and running and some programs was only usable fullscreen, and some you could work with (barely) with making the window smaller. That led to people wanting first better resolution, that led to bigger screens and then when that did not work it led to multiple screens. Unix machines with virtual desktop, sure it was at least something but it was not as good... This BeOS/HaikuOS is sort of similar to what X-windows had/has. Anyway I really liked BeOS (when the Intel builds came, I tried it lots of times) as it was sort of an AmigaOS on the PC with the fact that graphical user interface was the backbone and not as in Windows 95, DOS and X-windows, Shell at the time. Every year I tried it at least once, then it became Haiku and tried that also now and then. I still like it a lot, but I think it needs a really good browser so that people can at least can surf the web effortlessly (I know that is a lot to ask, because that would need drivers for different graphic cards, network cards, sound cards and so on also ofc). I know there are some efforts to make it run on ARM and maybe that is the next thing? make it usable on cheap tablets, older chromebooks or Raspberry PI and stuff like that? maybe there would be more developers joining in for the hell of it? :-)

[@gogogomes7025]

This seems like the perfect little thing for an old laptop to turn into a studying machine with tons of style.

[@porkwilliam]

Haiku sometimes works And then it doesn’t I cry a silent tear of frustration And the world still turns...

[@fsdfgasgfisd]

Beautiful Haiku

[@porkwilliam]

@@fsdfgasgfisd Thank you my friend!

[@sluxi]

I used BeOS R5 a bit on my x86 desktop system many years ago, this was long after the BeOS company had gone defunct and not sure if Haiku even existed at that point but it certainly had not released anything. I quite liked the OS and have been following Haiku's progress ever since. Would be fun to try running it on some real hardware again now.

[@leandrocosta3709]

That brings back some fond memories of using BeOS R. 5 on my dual 333mhz PII. Loved BeOS then and I sorely miss it. BTW.: For productivity there was this GoBe office bundle that used to put MS Office to shame back in the day.

[@Bikeguychicago1]

Even when BeOS was commercially available, it honestly didn't have enough available for me to make it my daily driver. I had BeOS 4 (and later 4.5 & 5) on my machine and had it as part of a multi-boot system along with OS/2 Warp and Win 95. Warp & 95 were the ones I used most.

[@bwc1976]

OS/2 Warp was amazing, I was really hoping for it to succeed! It took until 2001 for consumer versions of Windows to become as solid and reliable as OS/2 was in 1994.

[@Bikeguychicago1]

@@bwc1976 Exactly. I made the complete switch-over to Windows only when Windows 2000 came out.

[@Falsechicken]

As a Linux user workspaces are one of my favorite features. I tend to bind Ctrl+Alt+A/S to switch left and right on the workspaces so I can quickly switch with one hand. One of the best productivity features.

[@cchavezjr7]

I remember BeOS being showed off at Comdex when it was coming out for public release. The multimedia capabilities blew away anything on the market, even Mac. I bought a copy and loved playing around with it. I wish it could gain some traction but I hope Haiku can get things running again and get enough developers to make some truly useful apps and ports for it.

[@awesomeferret]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who always seems to find a blank DVD and a DVD drive faster than I can find a flash drive whenever I need to install an OS.

[@marlenestockton2269]

I bought BeOS 5.1 (?) OS back in the day. Still have the disc and such around here somewhere...

[@justjuliao5187]

20:30 you can actually allow the usage of this client. You want to go to the "less secured apps" section in gmail security settings.

[@whaleguy]

I loved watching this. I got BeOS back in the early 2000's when they offered it for free. I ended up installing it on a separate partition and booting into it from time to time. It's sad to know that at one point, Apple was looking at BeOS as the successor to MacOS and the deal fell apart just because Be asked for too much money. It died a sad end for such an innovative platform.

[@elietheprof5678]

I use Puppy Linux and it runs great except the browser codecs absolutely suck for KZbin. 100% CPU and choppy video even at 360p. Do you think Haiku would be any better?

[@BegasusTro]

Loved your take on Haiku and your report on it! Been doing some porting from back in the BeOS days and followed up on all that has happened so far, if any one experience problems during install or anything feel free to bug us at IRC :)

[@lounestb3718]

19:30 It happens sometime, you just have to replace the desktop shortcut with a new one, I think that it's a bug.

[@TotoFrancey]

Thank you for your video which is the most complete and fair treatment of the current development of the Haiku-OS on KZbin. Like yourself I have been following this project since it started and to put it mildly the road has been extremely bumpy for this operating system over the past 20 years. At some points during its development it didn't look like it was going to make it. But here we are in 2021. Over the years I have tried Alpha 2 and Beta 1 of Haiku and used both BeOS professional and -- wait for it -- ZETA. I did not try BlueeyedOS because there are other distros which did Linux better and I was not interested in just using a BeOS looking desktop for linux. In my opinion, even though Haiku claims to be in Beta 2, from your video it still looks very much like a Beta 1 OS. Still, I am thinking of giving it another spin. From Beta 1 I learned that before installing any new software, you need to do a full system upgrade. This lessens the chance of an application no longer working at some time in the future (although it still will). At this point in Haiku-OS development, anybody interested in seeing the full implementation of this alternate OS you need to: 1. If skilled, volunteer your time and talents in fixing bugs, 2. Download it and try to use it, and 3. Send them a couple of bucks -- they will pay for developers when volunteers are lacking in a certain area. I encourage anyone to go and become a frequent visitor to their website (www.haiku-os.org). This project does have merit and value and many to the ideas which originated with BeOS and Haiku-OS over the years have been utilized in other operating systems over time. To all those who read this far, thank you. And thank you again Dan Wood for a fantastic video.

[@TheDesertBlizzard]

That grouping functionality is available in windows via Groupy by Stardock Software via their Object Desktop suite, FYI. Thanks for the overview of one of my favorite operating systems.

[@AndersJackson]

I remember a demonstration of BeOS way back, on a Mac with dual CPU. The demonstration run great and when one CPU was removed, the preformance halfed, and when it was added it run twice as fast. We asked if it was possible to turn both of, and it did. Then the machine froze. It had no CPU to schedul jobs on, so it couldn't even run the program to put one CPU back into scheduling again. :-) Ops, he had to reboot he machine. :-) I used a window manager on Linux with the same window managements, but I don't remember which one it was.

[@AndrewTSq]

I loved BeOS back in teh days. So easy to develop for, and had a lot of features I still have not seen in windows.

[@MarcWickens]

I remember installing BeOS on my Packard Bell 300Mhz Celeron circa 1999. It didn’t support WinModems so I had no Internet, so it was pretty limited!

[@JoeDogInKC]

Can't you run GIMP and/or a bunch of other ported software? I believe there is a compatibility layer for running linux apps, but it's been a while since I looked into it. I was a big BeOS supporter back in the day. I believe I still have boxed versions of BeOS 3 & 4. Anyway, I think that Haiku can run a lot of linux apps and that you can re-compile most of them for it. That actually makes me consider playing with it again.

[@certs743]

Good to see Haiku is still going. I played with it a bit when it was still an Alpha release.

[@fernwood]

Awww this brings me back. I used BeoS as a daily driver in 2000 on a dual 200mhz Dell. Loved that system.

[@plan0go]

7:11 is there a two column design? like doubleComander or so? copy from on to otter by F5 for example, movinbg by F6 ?

[@macsnafu]

I got the BeOS 5 operating system back in the day--I bought it in a box with the disc. I really liked it, but it did have a few challenges that kept it from being my primary OS. Unfortunately, my disc of the OS became unreadable, so I was really excited when I discovered Haiku. It's taken a while, and still has some challenges to overcome. But really, it looks like Haiku today is now more usable than BeOS 5 was. I'm not much of a programmer, but I did make a BeOS screensaver, Circles, nothing fancy, but I like it. I believe it does work in Haiku if you can find it. I lost my original source files, but it should be online somewhere in a BeOS or Haiku software repository.

[@theseob]

Used Beos back in the day on a removable harddisk so i could switch between Beos and windows. I was really impressed with the speed of the bootup. Ssd speed boottimes in a time windows would take minutes to load. I bought the full release v5. It came in a box with bootdisk and cd with the Os and programs. Stil have it. Installed it on a pc last year for fun. The memories. Running the teapot demo, and a few videos, without slowdown when windows only could play one file at ones.

[@texaslinux]

What an outstanding walkthru of Haiku, thank you!

[@bobfromsoireegames4309]

Great video Dan

[@stephanszarafinski9001]

Thanks for this video! I bought the x86 version back then and was really happy with it. Will definitely try Haiku now 😁

[@Big-Chungus21]

Haikus GUI manages to strike a perfect balance between flatness and skeumorphism, as well as having very little visual distractions or things like taskbars. Its incredibly elegantly designed. I think its the only Linux alternative that ive started to really notice, as its doing its own completely different thing. Its an absolutely stunning thing to look at, I reckon its really good for doing work with. I wish software support wasnt what makes or breaks most OS’s. It means the largest factor in whether an OS is usable or not can only be somewhat influenced by the OS’s developers. This does seem to becoming less and less of an issue over time though, maybe many years from now we will be able to run any software on any OS. Thatd be awesome.

[@JFDSmit-rm6tw]

This looks like a good replacement for Windoze. Will you please do an update on the anniversary of using it for a daily driver?

[@FloatingDogs]

I used the original BeOS as a main OS arrund 2007. At that time the packages weren't too old and Bebits site had almost anything. I was even using last versions of Firefox. It was blazing fast and I was doing everything I needed. Good times! A great OS for sure.

[@cookingGuitarist]

Another feature from BEOS was to have each virtual desktop at a different resolution.

[@tmagnussen]

Did you look into Groupy by Stardock software? It sound to me like it has the window grouping functionality you like in Haiku.

[@DavidRavenMoon]

I first used BeOS when it came with a PowerComputing Mac clone in the 90s. It was the first version of BeOS to run on Apple hardware. I remember it booted in the blink of an eye. There wasn’t much software for it, but it was fun to mess with. Then it got ported to Intel hardware and didn’t run on later PowerPC Macs. I currently run Haiku on my i7 iMac in VMWare Fusion. By the way, Haiku R1/Beta3 is being released on July 24!

[@alexandrorodrigez]

we need multi-user environment... and PXE-ready boot iso... Are they ready in Haiku?

[@crisper1614]

I actually daily drove haiku years ago as a media machine. It worked flawlessly.

[@MrStephen182]

I'll happily watch an hour+ video from you.

[@milanvukic6449]

You need to do a remake of this video now when beta 5 is out.

[@codewarrior145]

Very nice OS I like the Widget feature and also the Window Snap feature.

[@DavidPirouet]

I've got it on some of my systems, I haven't update it for a while.

[@sewerside01142]

Man, this OS's desktop environment is simply beautiful. If a port of it or something similar was available for Linux I'd definitely consider using it.

[@joehd9979]

Great video, just inspired me to make a quick impulse buy and get mini PC so I can give this a go!

[@slebetman]

I used to daily drive BeOS on my Motorola Mac back in 98. It was a nice OS but lack of applications led me to Linux (LinuxPPC). It was a good time to be a Mac fanboy with alternative operating systems and alternative Mac manufacturers available

[@lukemeissner1741]

This is legitimately usable as a daily driver on my Thinkpad X200 Tablet. Full LibreOffice, passable browser, fastest OS I've ever booted on here besides DOS, fine-grained control over the whole system and every process

[@sluxi]

How do you get a passable experience browsing? Which one(s) and any configuration tips?

[@pseudotasuki]

The BeBox *originally* used an AT&T Hobbit CPU, but the company recognized that it was a sinking ship and switched to PPC before bringing the machine to market.

[@AndersJackson]

Most important, does it run Emacs? Doesn't your NAS support iSCSI and NFS? That would faster/nicer.

[@howhuiliew164]

I installed the 64 bit version. I have some problem with the network card (it won't work) but no problem with Wifi. For daily use. The main problem is the FreeType font support for Chinese is bad. Scrolling in Terminal and GVim will cause Chinese characters tor render terribly. LaTeX also works. I have yet to learn to compile some applications with GCC.

[@francoisrevol7926]

Did you check the bug tracker about this? Are you sure it's a problem in FreeType and not how we use it? Was that the beta or a recent nightly?

[@howhuiliew164]

@@francoisrevol7926 I just updated Haiku five days (6 Feb) ago watching your video. The display of Chinese characters problem went away for Vim on Terminal. But the problem in GVim still persists. I salute the amazing work the Haiku developers made. However, because Chinese characters' width is usually twice the size of a English letter, so I am not surprise that the display of Chinese characters can sometimes have problems. You can try out the inV61-*.txt on github.com/liaohaohui/myarchlinux/tree/master/editors, try moving the cursors from left to right on a long line and you can see how the Chinese characters will change position which is a bit annoying. If haiku is using FreeType as in X11, then I would say that I don't have an issue with using GVim on X11 but I do have the issue I mentioned above on haiku.

[@howhuiliew164]

@@francoisrevol7926 I just updated to latest beta2 and try out the gvim again. Apparently, the issue with vim is because I set guifont=Noto_Sans_Mono/Regular/14 but after removing the `Regular', the font seems to be OK but then I have to use Ctrl-L to refresh because some fonts are not visible.

[@francoisrevol7926]

@@howhuiliew164 beta2 is 1y old, you really want to try a nightly, either on a usb stick or by updating to it: www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system

[@keancv]

Dan what about a call via zoom or skype? And watch a **bought** DVD and 1080p blu-ray?

[@SelfIndulgentGamer]

Ooooh, Milkytracker, did not know about that :)

[@PWingert1966]

I have a 20-year-old Dell 670 workstation that has factual issues playing video files because it just does not have the processing power and the graphics card is not media focused. I was wondering if this might be a better choice than Linux Mint! Hardware upgrades require custom Dell parts like a memory fan cooler and a special air shroud for a processor upgrade. so, it's a finicky beast.

[@JeffreyParke]

Dan, Just so you know the menu icon is a leaf not a feather. There was much debate about the design of that icon but think Japanese falling leaves.

[@c.b.fiskekatten4214]

Could you link the Montage PC where we can buy it? Could it also run MacOS?

[@getter7seven]

Still the greatest hope in the alternative OS world in terms of general reckonings unless something goes incredibly well out of nowhere for the very few otherwise so ambitious---each big update gets tantalizingly closer to the good stuff in full, while lowering the chances of winding up like Tantalus outright which would just be devastating given how hard and long they've been at it for these many years.

[@zzasdfwas]

How did you video capture it if it's not a virtual machine? Do you have a capture device at the monitor cable?

[@danwood_uk]

Elgato capture card.

[@Doctor_X]

bonus points for the WOPR server name.

[@vcprocles]

Some of the newer software is ported for amd64 first, x86 second. 64-bit version has full Libreoffice, QtWebEngine-based web-browsers (Chromium) and (a bit later after your video) an X11 port, which allowed porting of GTK software, like GIMP and Inkscape.

[@Gosha1992]

Funny: a friend of mine sent me the link to the podcast with DJ Aphrodite. He's my favourite DJ! I knew I recognized your voice from somewhere, but had no clue it was from one of your Amiga videos. I was really surprised when you opened the site I was using yesterday!

[@oulo5019]

Where did you get the montage pc and the mouse and keyboard

[@paku302]

Would like to see the API cross platform. Not sure of the point of an entire OS anymore, is performance better on Haiku than other systems?

[@Stomski]

It's disappointing that so much productivity these days in a potentially good OS is limited by the capabilities of the browser.

[@stale2665]

I'm sure it wouldn't be an insurmountable task to port either firefox or chromium to this OS

[@atemoc]

@@stale2665 Well...

[@timdaeleman]

I've always loved BeOS (Still got a retail copy of BeOS & Gobe) and like Haiku a lot as well. It's such an elegant and efficient OS, beats even AmigaOS in that respect IMO. If only the Haiku 68k port got some love, we might run this on our Misters & Vampires... On Intel hardware though, as said in another comment, 64bit version is the way forward. LibreOffice is indeed available then and some better browsers like Netsurf. For a daily driven though, I fear it will not do for me unfortunately.

[@joe--cool]

LibreOffice if spelled correctly is even available as version 7.3 with Qt6

[@cpcnw]

I really wish QNX would open up their QNX Desktop OS - I bloody loved that thing! Have an updated version would be amaze balls!

[@harootpashayan]

it went embedded the benz now uses QNX based OS for Carplay dash etc

[@friedpicklezzz]

The problem is that they are working on an operating system without a vision. It can be the perfect OS, but I still see the same old software. An operating system in in service of the end-users use-cases. I rather have an inferior OS with all the software I need.

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

Ah "Words"; reminds me of in the 90s when we switched from Microsoft Works to Microsoft Office, and old people kept saying "Words" instead of "Word". Bizarrely those were often the same people who previously kept saying "MS Work" instead of "MS Works"... ( how come plural/singular is so hard for some people?)

[@SeekerOfLight]

I use to love BeOs. It's really sad that they didn't get more development for it after it was cancelled. I would've hoped in 20 years it would be out of beta and a real player in the alternative Os land. At least as popular as FreeBSD. It had so much potential back then.

[@DeadMouseis]

did you ever find a demo of command center?

[@albertkinng]

Wow. It really was more advanced than macOS 9 if you compare them one-on-one. I wonder if we still love Apple if they were running BeOS instead of macOS in that time. Even if it seems powerful it feels like a Windows OS... maybe that's why they decided for NexT OS

[@Z3R0x0N3]

I wanted to see what skill share is about because I have skills to share and love to learn but I don't do subscriptions sight unseen. You can't even get a basic idea of what is offered or how it is even laid out. I personally think this is kind of a terrible way to do things. I would be happy to try it then decide but will not enter my payment information first so I can forget and not cancel if I don't like it for any reason. That is my whole problem with subscriptions. I would rather pay more for a lifetime membership then join subscriptions services that just drain your accounts over time.

[@johntilghman]

Any links to where to find that little PC?

[@bzdirt]

I remember using BeOS5 for a while only because it could use my TV tuner card out-of-the-box, while Windows 2000 had no working driver. So I was using it as a TV basically. I still have the CD (and floppy) somewhere.